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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 13, 2020 15:13:43 GMT
I wonder how many law changes we have been directly involved in.
Time added on, is one, I think.
Nets added, may be another.
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Post by Tosh on Jul 13, 2020 15:14:55 GMT
Penalties? Or am i making that up?
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Post by markytcd on Jul 13, 2020 15:15:30 GMT
Shawcross - first penalty for holding on corner?
Arnoutovic - first yellow for throwing arm at referee?
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 13, 2020 15:31:49 GMT
Almost got the long throw banned... 🙂
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 15:33:55 GMT
Must be loads of things as so many 'only at Stoke' scenarios on here
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Post by elystokie on Jul 13, 2020 17:57:46 GMT
Penalties? Or am i making that up? I remember something about time being added on at the end of games for a penalty because somebody who'd had one awarded against them in a game involving us launched the ball out of the ground and they ran out of time so the penalty wasn't taken.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jul 13, 2020 18:14:05 GMT
Shawcross - first penalty for holding on corner? Arnoutovic - first yellow for throwing arm at referee? Shawcross, last penalty given for holding on a corner.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 13, 2020 18:18:00 GMT
First Managerial red card (Hughes) for stepping outside the technical area?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 13, 2020 20:13:36 GMT
Definitely responsible for the change in law regarding the keeper handling outside penalty area. Our own keeper, Leigh Richmond Roose, was regarded as the first playboy of football in early 20th Century. The law as it stood allowed the keeper to carry the ball to the half way line, Gentleman’s agreement was for the keeper to roll the ball to another team mate. Not our Leigh. He had a very accurate long throw and would launch the ball into the opposing teams peno box. Other teams cried ungentlemanly Conduct and complained to the FA who changed the law to broadly what it is today regarding the keeper handling the ball. He was a medic with RMC at Gallipoli and later joined the Royal Fusiliers as a sapper. He was killed in action at the Battle of The Somme and his body was never found. He was awarded the Military Medal. Leigh played for many other clubs including the Vale and was also a Welsh International. The book Lost In France by Spencer Vignes is a remarkable insight into this great man’s life and the social aspects of that era. Worth a read. www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-France-Remarkable-Footballs-Superstar/dp/1785311603
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Post by jonso on Jul 13, 2020 20:16:43 GMT
Wasn’t Peter Fox sent for something new? I remember it was at the Victoria Ground.
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Post by danceswithclams on Jul 13, 2020 20:22:05 GMT
Wasn’t Peter Fox sent for something new? I remember it was at the Victoria Ground. Ungentlemanly Ralgex finger
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 20:23:19 GMT
Shawcross - first penalty for holding on corner? Arnoutovic - first yellow for throwing arm at referee? Shawcross, last penalty given for holding on a corner. I think England got 2 in one game at the WC. Are plenty and was the right decision at the time.
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Post by jonso on Jul 13, 2020 20:25:17 GMT
Wasn’t Peter Fox sent for something new? I remember it was at the Victoria Ground. Ungentlemanly Ralgex finger I’d forgot about that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 20:31:19 GMT
I wonder how many law changes we have been directly involved in. Time added on, is one, I think. Nets added, may be another. Pretty sure was at Villa Park. We got a pen and their player kicked the ball out of the ground. Was no added on time to take the penalty so was introduced
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 13, 2020 20:35:31 GMT
Shawcross - first penalty for holding on corner? Arnoutovic - first yellow for throwing arm at referee? I'm sure Arnautovic was the first and last to be punished under that rule. It simply just disappeared afterwards. Like Powell now he had the living shit kicked out of him and the first reaction to it, the ref gets busy.
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Post by Picasso on Jul 13, 2020 21:19:07 GMT
Penalties? Or am i making that up? I remember something about time being added on at the end of games for a penalty because somebody who'd had one awarded against them in a game involving us launched the ball out of the ground and they ran out of time so the penalty wasn't taken. I’m sure we had something to do with the introduction of penalties. I think it was a game versus Notts County. I was once, ages ago, told that we were the first to have floodlights. Not heard of that since, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 21:23:18 GMT
I remember something about time being added on at the end of games for a penalty because somebody who'd had one awarded against them in a game involving us launched the ball out of the ground and they ran out of time so the penalty wasn't taken. I’m sure we had something to do with the introduction of penalties. I think it was a game versus Notts County. I was once, ages ago, told that we were the first to have floodlights. Not heard of that since, though. Bramhall Lane first floodlights
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Post by tpholloway1 on Jul 13, 2020 21:26:26 GMT
I think we were involved in the introduction of crossbars and shin pads.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 14, 2020 8:21:40 GMT
On a different note, I am pretty sure that Vale were the LAST league club to have toilets and washing facilities installed at their ground.
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Post by stokiemac on Jul 14, 2020 8:34:48 GMT
We were directly the victims in the introduction of the penalty I believe. Notts County player handballed on the line to stop us winning in the FA Cup and at that point it was an indirect free kick (I think) after that the FA decided they needed a harsher punishment so gave penalties for foul play in the box... Not that that helped us
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Post by Picasso on Jul 14, 2020 11:03:25 GMT
Another slightly different note, but I think Southampton play in red and white stripes because of us. I think there was an Oatcake article about it, years ago. There was a friendly on the south coast and Southampton were so impressed with our style that they decided to adopt the red and white stripes. Not quite Notts County / Juventus, but still.
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Post by OldStokie on Jul 14, 2020 11:09:57 GMT
I think we were the first club to sell bacon and chayze oatcakes in the concourse.
OS.
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Post by march4 on Jul 14, 2020 11:43:50 GMT
We are the club who invented the Mama position.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 14, 2020 11:55:42 GMT
Tony Allen made about 140 appearances for Stoke as a left back in the early 60's, and was curiously one of perhaps just a couple of players in history to get England caps only whilst in his teens. The left back International place was taken away from him long term by Ray Wilson, though I think Tony was a standby squad selection for the 66 World Cup.
Tony was involved in an incident whilst playing for Stoke that definitely led to a rule change, and Peter Dobing was also in caught up in the event.
In 1967, Allen was involved in an incident which led to a major change in the Laws of Association Football. On 13 May 1967, Stoke City visited Old Trafford to play Manchester United. Paddy Crerand of United had an altercation with Peter Dobing of Stoke, which was dealt with by referee Pat Partridge holding Crerand close, such that his head was over the referee's shoulder, and whilst in this position Paddy spat at Tony who was stood in close proximity. Unknown to the official, TV cameras picked up Crerand's action of spitting over his shoulder at Allen. Crerand and Dobing were cautioned for their confrontation, but Partridge had not seen the spitting incident. Partridge later received a letter from the Football League, asking for his observations on the incident, in response to many complaints received. Partridge was unable to respond with conclusive evidence, but nevertheless the International Board changed the Laws of the Game to put spitting on a par with violent conduct, and therefore a dismissible offence.
The Senegalese player El Hadji Diouf was infamously involved in several controversial spitting incidents, against both players and fans, during his time with Liverpool and Bolton, and received several FA Bans.
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Post by NassauDave on Jul 14, 2020 12:13:15 GMT
On a different note, I am pretty sure that Vale were the LAST league club to have toilets and washing facilities installed at their ground. The installation remains incomplete. The market stall selling seat covers and plungers was closed down abruptly due to nefarious activity regarding avoidance of licensing fee payments. Port Vale directors held a furious protest in the upper tier of the infamous Bell End . It was all to no aFail.
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Post by Picasso on Jul 14, 2020 13:51:17 GMT
I think we were the first club to sell bacon and chayze oatcakes in the concourse. OS. Any that were unsold, innovatively, were placed down player’s socks, in order to protect the tibia, leading to the aforementioned introduction of shin pads.
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Post by AlliG on Jul 14, 2020 17:50:33 GMT
Tony Allen made about 140 appearances for Stoke as a right back in the early 60's, and was curiously one of perhaps just a couple of players in history to get England caps only whilst in his teens. The right back International place was taken away from him long term by Ray Wilson, though I think Tony was a standby squad selection for the 66 World Cup. Tony was involved in an incident whilst playing for Stoke that definitely led to a rule change, and Peter Dobing was also in caught up in the event. In 1967, Allen was involved in an incident which led to a major change in the Laws of Association Football. On 13 May 1967, Stoke City visited Old Trafford to play Manchester United. Paddy Crerand of United had an altercation with Peter Dobing of Stoke, which was dealt with by referee Pat Partridge holding Crerand close, such that his head was over the referee's shoulder, and whilst in this position Paddy spat at Tony who was stood in close proximity. Unknown to the official, TV cameras picked up Crerand's action of spitting over his shoulder at Allen. Crerand and Dobing were cautioned for their confrontation, but Partridge had not seen the spitting incident. Partridge later received a letter from the Football League, asking for his observations on the incident, in response to many complaints received. Partridge was unable to respond with conclusive evidence, but nevertheless the International Board changed the Laws of the Game to put spitting on a par with violent conduct, and therefore a dismissible offence.The Senegalese player El Hadji Diouf was infamously involved in several controversial spitting incidents, against both players and fans, during his time with Liverpool and Bolton, and received several FA Bans. Just one small point. Tony Allen and Ray Wilson were both left backs.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jul 14, 2020 17:58:51 GMT
Thanks. I certainly knew that, so no idea why I put right back. Slip of the keyboard.!
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Post by AlliG on Jul 14, 2020 18:00:36 GMT
Thanks. I certainly knew that, so no idea why I put right back. Slip of the keyboard.! Probably because we don't do left backs (well not for 20+ years)
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Jul 14, 2020 18:03:45 GMT
I'm sure we've helped to redefine Godwin's Law: As an online (Oatcake,) discussion grows longer the probability of a comparison involving Tony Pulis approaches 1....
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