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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 2:42:01 GMT
My kid could score a penno past him, anywhere from the centre of goal to the left of the post it's going in.
Typically though I fully expect the first time he does the fosbury flop to the left someone's going hit it waist high with no power to his right.
I'd love to know but can't be arsed check where the ball has gone in the last 10 penalties he has faced. Opposition managers must have sussed it by now. He's let 18 in on the bounce so somethings up
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Post by greenhoff on Jul 10, 2020 5:50:11 GMT
He plays like hes got lead in his boots. Absolutely awful goalkeeper at the minute. Slow to come off his line and very one sided.
The second goal he basically stood and watched Costa get the ball, miscontrol it, have a fag, go for a stroll before he got his shot away. Butland should have been all over him.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jul 10, 2020 6:05:13 GMT
I think the quote from General Melchett in Blackadder sums up Jacks penalty efforts
Exactly! And that is what is so brilliant about it! It will catch the watchful Hun totally off guard! Doing precisely what we've done eighteen times before is exactly the last thing they'll expect us to do this time! There is, however, one small problem.
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Post by shooters on Jul 10, 2020 6:31:14 GMT
How the fuck are people blaming Jack for that? because a gk is part of the defensive unit and that is the problem. We don't have a unit as it keeps changing every game so no time gel. A gk needs to trust and anticipate that his defender will put his body on the line, close down, jockey, drop , play high or whatever ..and then the Gk can anticipate what will happen and in that split second is where he gets in position to helps him make the save or close down. I do think he is a good gk and has really suffered from an unorganized and changing defence for 3 yrs so he has no idea. He should have the experience to boss them about but again not helped by all the changes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 6:54:17 GMT
I genuinely think Butland has an issue with diving to his left. I'm not sure if it is a springing issue from his ankle damage or something else but one thing I've also noticed is that whenever he dives to his left he always retracts his left arm at the last minute, and tucks it under his shoulder as if he is protecting something. He never seems to do it diving the other way.
Anyone else noticed this?
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Post by wilcopotter on Jul 10, 2020 6:54:30 GMT
We should pay one of the pundits on Sunday to keep spouting how good he is, that way some idiot may believe it and buy him.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 10, 2020 7:07:28 GMT
Butland is shit, probably the worst keeper that I have seen play for Stoke How old are you I remember Big nev being more mobile
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Post by boothenconvert on Jul 10, 2020 7:11:42 GMT
To be honest, my cat could save goals better than Butland at the moment. Such a fall from grace by a keeper whose inability to move has cost us dearly. I won’t be buying the crocodile tears either should things keep going tits up. I’m at a loss for words to describe that debacle last night.😡
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 7:26:53 GMT
He’s conceded his EIGHTEENTH consecutive penalty today. It’s harsh to expect a keeper to save a penalty, but eighteen in a row? He has to be the worse penalty stopper I’ve ever seen in 35 years of watching lots of football. His “technique” is laughably poor, falling pathetically to his right early leaving an easy tap in for the taker. The odds are always stacked against a keeper with penalties, that's a fact and you'll concede many more than you save. But to concede from EIGHTEEN consecutive penalties means you're doing something wrong. You're not putting enough pressure on your opponent and making it too easy for them to score. It's not just with saves either. A good penalty keeper is able to put mental pressure on the taker with their body language, stalling tactics and so on. Putting doubts in the mind of the penalty taker which increases the chance of them mishitting their shot or even missing the target completely by trying to be too precise or hit the ball too hard. He just doesn't seem to do anything. He looks a beaten man from his body language, flops to the right early every time and leaves an easy side good to the left. No wonder no one ever misses against him. Opposition players will know this. There are stats for everything now and penalty takers will know a bit about their opposition keeper and what they usually do with penalties. David Seaman had an almost 1-in-3 success rate facing penalties. Mark Crossley, Tom Heaton, and Simon Mignolet are the next most successful in PL history with around a 27-30% success rate. Based on those kind of stats, Jack should have stopped probably 5 or 6, of his last 18. Bear in mind he's a top-class keeper* he's been in a different postcode for most of them. Tommy Sorenson saved - wait for it - 14 of the 60 he faced throughout his career - so just less than 1 in 4. Imagine what a difference those kind of stats might make to team's season, so this isn't an issue to just shrug off. Butland gets paid £50k per week as an elite* sportsman, it seems to me, he's not doing his job properly - even before you start to roll-in the numerous howlers we've seen in his general goalkeeping.
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Post by Fred Merger on Jul 10, 2020 10:13:34 GMT
What's the difference between a taxi and Jack Butland?
A taxi only let's in four at a time. ⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽
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Post by elystokie on Jul 10, 2020 10:36:18 GMT
I genuinely think Butland has an issue with diving to his left. I'm not sure if it is a springing issue from his ankle damage or something else but one thing I've also noticed is that whenever he dives to his left he always retracts his left arm at the last minute, and tucks it under his shoulder as if he is protecting something. He never seems to do it diving the other way. Anyone else noticed this? I noticed, as skip mentions above, he pulled his left arm in for one of their goals, quite bizarre, he might have saved it had he stuck it out instead, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I suppose we should be grateful he didn't have his 'kicking straight into touch' spread bet on for this match at least
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Post by boothenender on Jul 10, 2020 13:47:33 GMT
Jack Butland
What a conundrum he is. I have never ratted "our jack". His poor positioning, distribution, kicking, presence and command in his area is shocking. I have seen the best Goalkeeper in the World play during my time watching Stoke and I have seen some great English goalkeepers also, Jack ain't one of them. Should have tried harder to keep Begovic and sold Butland on. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, let's hope that those that call the shots are starting to learn from their mistakes????. But I am not holding my breath.
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Post by chad on Jul 10, 2020 13:59:54 GMT
Who remembers that game at Newcastle a few years back. He must have made ten worldy saves I think it was Pardew who was their manager at the time and he was just astounded at how Jack had played. They made a big thing of it on MOTD and he was genuinly the best keeper in England and probably in the top three or four in the world It’s hard to fathom how he could have fallen so far even allowing for the dross that keeps getting put out in front of him Surely there still a top keeper in there somewhere
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Post by danceswithclams on Jul 10, 2020 14:44:05 GMT
I have never ratted "our jack". Should hope not too. You dirty bugger.
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Post by boothenender on Jul 11, 2020 8:38:17 GMT
I have never ratted "our jack". Should hope not too. You dirty bugger. Lol. Spell checker not working.
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Post by tinofspam on Jul 11, 2020 10:31:25 GMT
Y’all fickle
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jul 11, 2020 11:14:12 GMT
Jack Butland What a conundrum he is. I have never ratted "our jack". His poor positioning, distribution, kicking, presence and command in his area is shocking. I have seen the best Goalkeeper in the World play during my time watching Stoke and I have seen some great English goalkeepers also, Jack ain't one of them. Should have tried harder to keep Begovic and sold Butland on. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, let's hope that those that call the shots are starting to learn from their mistakes????. But I am not holding my breath. I don't agree with that. Begovic at his best was better, but Butland in 2014-2016 was excellent and fully deserved his England call up. His kicking even then was never brilliant and probably why he was behind Pickford but his actual goalkeeping was great and he single handedly won us many points. Since his injury however he's been consistently dreadful and seems to be getting worse. Whether it's the effect of his injury affecting his movement because he always seems so static and wooden, whether it's psychological issues due to the bad timing of his injury and the collapse of his career, or a bit of both, he's utterly dreadful now and we need to get rid as soon as possible. For money preferably, but even for free just to get rid of his wages and the toxic impact of his awful goalkeeping. The shots on target vs goals conceded stat says it all.
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Post by boothenender on Jul 11, 2020 16:11:07 GMT
Jack Butland What a conundrum he is. I have never ratted "our jack". His poor positioning, distribution, kicking, presence and command in his area is shocking. I have seen the best Goalkeeper in the World play during my time watching Stoke and I have seen some great English goalkeepers also, Jack ain't one of them. Should have tried harder to keep Begovic and sold Butland on. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, let's hope that those that call the shots are starting to learn from their mistakes????. But I am not holding my breath. I don't agree with that. Begovic at his best was better, but Butland in 2014-2016 was excellent and fully deserved his England call up. His kicking even then was never brilliant and probably why he was behind Pickford but his actual goalkeeping was great and he single handedly won us many points. Since his injury however he's been consistently dreadful and seems to be getting worse. Whether it's the effect of his injury affecting his movement because he always seems so static and wooden, whether it's psychological issues due to the bad timing of his injury and the collapse of his career, or a bit of both, he's utterly dreadful now and we need to get rid as soon as possible. For money preferably, but even for free just to get rid of his wages and the toxic impact of his awful goalkeeping. The shots on target vs goals conceded stat says it all. I agree in part with you. Jack has been a broken man since his injury with England. When you look at the big picture there are not a lot if good English keepers and Jack is falling down the English pecking order like an avalanche going over a cliff edge. He needs to go for everyones benefit. The big question is Who wants him and how much £££££.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 17:45:05 GMT
All you need to know about butland is he saves 57 per cent of shots on target ( championship 2019 2020)
As opposed to federici who saves 71 per cent of shots on target (championship 2019 2020 )
As opposed to a top championship keeper who saves around 80 per cent of shots on target ( championship 2019 2020 )
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Jul 11, 2020 18:45:34 GMT
He’s done. Mentally he looks finished, maybe just at stoke, maybe full stop.
His decision making was never a strong suit but now he just doesn’t make any decisions.
Even with him recovering some degree of form I just don’t think he’s the keeper you need in the championship.
He’s more use as a lower half prem keeper where the worldy saves he pulls off are more critical.
In the championship it’s imperative you do the basics right. Don’t get beat at your near post, come out and take pressure off your defence, good distribution.
Still can’t believe we let grant go, I am absolutely convinced we’d have gone down the season before without Butlands injury.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jul 11, 2020 18:49:28 GMT
The scary thing is that what is happening to Jack is exactly what happened to Joe Hart
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 11, 2020 18:52:18 GMT
He needs to have a new start somewhere else I think.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 11, 2020 19:00:36 GMT
I think if he plays he could cost us tomorrow. All it takes is an early cock up and it could cost us a game that I think could be decided by one goal. I hope I'm wrong. I know I'm more critical than most of him but I'm just very frustrated by how far his form has dipped from being a top keeper pre injury. It's not just the errors it's just as much his inhability to leave his line to support his defenders.
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Post by ravey123 on Jul 11, 2020 19:17:58 GMT
I genuinely think Butland has an issue with diving to his left. I'm not sure if it is a springing issue from his ankle damage or something else but one thing I've also noticed is that whenever he dives to his left he always retracts his left arm at the last minute, and tucks it under his shoulder as if he is protecting something. He never seems to do it diving the other way. Anyone else noticed this? I think the same. It’s all since his injury playing for England. I think he is compensating or protecting something when he dives left. If it is that then nobody will buy him. I just hope it’s a mental thing rather than a medical thing. If it’s a medical thing his career will be as good as over when his contract runs down
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