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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jul 9, 2020 20:03:37 GMT
All five goals went in on butlands left hand side, Biesla orders probably
a average keeper would probably save four of the five
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 9, 2020 20:11:21 GMT
Just watched all five goals on Sky and no way can you blame Butland for any of them. The penalty. He makes a decision to go to his left and it's the wrong one. By all means blame Jack for some of his howlers but he didn't drop any tonight. The defence in front of him must take all of the blame for those goals. That tackle by Smith for the penalty was a moment of criminal negligence. OS. At least Smith got near his man. Chester's 'social distancing' defending will seal our relegation if O'Neil insists on playing him in the remaining games.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jul 9, 2020 20:15:47 GMT
He’s conceded his EIGHTEENTH consecutive penalty today. It’s harsh to expect a keeper to save a penalty, but eighteen in a row? He has to be the worse penalty stopper I’ve ever seen in 35 years of watching lots of football. His “technique” is laughably poor, falling pathetically to his right early leaving an easy tap in for the taker. The odds are always stacked against a keeper with penalties, that's a fact and you'll concede many more than you save. But to concede from EIGHTEEN consecutive penalties means you're doing something wrong. You're not putting enough pressure on your opponent and making it too easy for them to score. It's not just with saves either. A good penalty keeper is able to put mental pressure on the taker with their body language, stalling tactics and so on. Putting doubts in the mind of the penalty taker which increases the chance of them mishitting their shot or even missing the target completely by trying to be too precise or hit the ball too hard. He just doesn't seem to do anything. He looks a beaten man from his body language, flops to the right early every time and leaves an easy side good to the left. No wonder no one ever misses against him. Opposition players will know this. There are stats for everything now and penalty takers will know a bit about their opposition keeper and what they usually do with penalties.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 9, 2020 20:17:26 GMT
All five goals went in on butlands left hand side, Biesla orders probably a average keeper would probably save four of the five He should have saved the third and fourth at least
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Post by BristolMick on Jul 9, 2020 22:01:14 GMT
Is he? Where you seen that? On current form I doubt even his home town club Clevedon Town will be in for him. I watched the game tonight with a City fan who has an interest in him because he’s local and he couldn’t believe I was ranting at him even before he faced his zillionth ‘no save’ penalty and again every time the ball whistled past his ear. People who barely see him just won’t have it that he’s completely lost it even when the evidence is there in full technicolour. BM
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Post by stokeykez on Jul 9, 2020 22:10:34 GMT
No wonder jack has been dropped from the england squad. Not saved one since 2015, would stand no chance in any euro/world cup
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Post by kustokie on Jul 9, 2020 22:19:30 GMT
We've steadily gone shitter and shitter since he's been our number 1. Not all is his fault but he's by no means blameless. Get rid, cash in. That ship sailed. He’ll play out his contract because no-one will come in for him. The best he can expect is a back-up to a Championship team of young overseas. He does common his area and I can’t remember when he last came off his line.
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Post by stokeykez on Jul 9, 2020 22:36:23 GMT
Cannot believe we let lee grant go
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 9, 2020 22:39:19 GMT
Butland is shit, probably the worst keeper that I have seen play for Stoke How old are you
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Post by BristolMick on Jul 9, 2020 22:42:28 GMT
Butland is shit, probably the worst keeper that I have seen play for Stoke How old are you Good question. Obviously not old enough to have seen the pantomime comedy that the great Gordon Marshall provided for all of our opponents fans. BM
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jul 9, 2020 22:44:24 GMT
Butland is shit, probably the worst keeper that I have seen play for Stoke How old are you Seen Banks play in the flesh
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Jul 9, 2020 22:49:25 GMT
Good question. Obviously not old enough to have seen the pantomime comedy that the great Gordon Marshall provided for all of our opponents fans. BM Butland is insulting every one, with his I too good to be here attitude, Why is he getting picked,?. Why was Begovic, Grant and Frédéric dropped for Butland,?
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jul 9, 2020 22:56:17 GMT
How the fuck are people blaming Jack for that?
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Post by skip on Jul 9, 2020 22:57:34 GMT
Just watched all five goals on Sky and no way can you blame Butland for any of them. The penalty. He makes a decision to go to his left and it's the wrong one. By all means blame Jack for some of his howlers but he didn't drop any tonight. The defence in front of him must take all of the blame for those goals. That tackle by Smith for the penalty was a moment of criminal negligence. OS. I think you're being incredibly diplomatic. For the fifth, he drew his left arm in FFS.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 9, 2020 23:26:14 GMT
Seen Banks play in the flesh So in between GB and now JB, he’s the worst Goalkeeper you’ve seen in a SCFC shirt. If so you’ve missed quite a few games
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 9, 2020 23:26:30 GMT
He's part of our problem. He doesn't command the area, he doesn't keep the defence organised, flat footed. The second goal he should have gone towards the player to tighten the angle, he didn't and their player stood there for about 5 seconds before poking it past him.
His heads not on the game, he will be a conference player within 5 years the way he is going.
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Post by callas12 on Jul 9, 2020 23:40:13 GMT
All five goals went in on butlands left hand side, Biesla orders probably a average keeper would probably save four of the five I'd noticed this too, Butland appears to be very weak when it comes to diving to his left & I've no doubts Bielsa had done his extensive homework & researched that shooting to towards the righthandside of the goal will bring a higher degree of success as turned out to be the case. Can anyone remember a time when Jack's dived left for a penalty?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 23:47:40 GMT
All five goals went in on butlands left hand side, Biesla orders probably a average keeper would probably save four of the five I'd noticed this too, Butland appears to be very weak when it comes to diving to his left & I've no doubts Bielsa had done his extensive homework & researched that shooting to towards the righthandside of the goal will bring a higher degree of success as turned out to be the case. Can anyone remember a time when Jack's dived left for a penalty? When has he ever dived for a penalty? He meekly flops to one side like he’s dying.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 9, 2020 23:55:40 GMT
Terrible for the penalty as usual but imagine playing in front of these useless bastards for a minute, same for some of the goals against Boro and Wigan.
When you have unfettered, gutless, shitehousery in front of you like that, it's tough. He certainly wasn't the problem tonight.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 9, 2020 23:59:39 GMT
Terrible for the penalty as usual but imagine playing in front of these useless bastards for a minute, same for some of the goals against Boro and Wigan. When you have unfettered, gutless, shitehousery in front of you like that, it's tough. He certainly wasn't the problem tonight. I think it’s the other way around tbh. He makes the defence way more shaky. They have absolutely no faith in him to do anything and it puts them on edge. It’s been happening for years with him. Everyone stops because they don’t know if he’s coming or going and that’s a killer. A new keeper solves a lot of issues at the back imo.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 10, 2020 0:05:45 GMT
The second goal is clearly Chesters fault but should a player who controlled the ball as badly as he did and took that many touches really be allowed to get a shot away? Where was the keeper? He should have fucking killed him.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jul 10, 2020 0:05:53 GMT
Good question. Obviously not old enough to have seen the pantomime comedy that the great Gordon Marshall provided for all of our opponents fans. BM Butland is insulting every one, with his I too good to be here attitude, Why is he getting picked,?. Why was Begovic, Grant and Frédéric dropped for Butland,? Comes across as very much a Hart or Foster keeper. Lots of bravado, but little to show for it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 10, 2020 0:20:20 GMT
Terrible for the penalty as usual but imagine playing in front of these useless bastards for a minute, same for some of the goals against Boro and Wigan. When you have unfettered, gutless, shitehousery in front of you like that, it's tough. He certainly wasn't the problem tonight. I think it’s the other way around tbh. He makes the defence way more shaky. They have absolutely no faith in him to do anything and it puts them on edge. It’s been happening for years with him. Everyone stops because they don’t know if he’s coming or going and that’s a killer. A new keeper solves a lot of issues at the back imo. Oh he's part of (if not the main) problem, no doubt but the lack of any sort of press on the ball is responsible for at least half the goals we've conceded since start-up. Opposition players mowing through us unchallenged and taking shots from all angles without a boot near them. Utter shambles.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 10, 2020 0:24:38 GMT
I think it’s the other way around tbh. He makes the defence way more shaky. They have absolutely no faith in him to do anything and it puts them on edge. It’s been happening for years with him. Everyone stops because they don’t know if he’s coming or going and that’s a killer. A new keeper solves a lot of issues at the back imo. Oh he's part of (if not the main) problem, no doubt but the lack of any sort of press on the ball is responsible for at least half the goals we've conceded since start-up. Opposition players mowing through us unchallenged and taking shots from all angles without a boot near them. Utter shambles. The lack of the press has been an issue for the last 4 years. One of the reasons I think the Joe Allen argument is bollocks. We haven’t had a midfield that can shut down opposition for way too long. They don’t protect the back 4. It’s nothing new and something that actually has been really bastard common since Allen came into the side. Funny that.....
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Post by kustokie on Jul 10, 2020 0:32:35 GMT
Seen Banks play in the flesh So in between GB and now JB, he’s the worst Goalkeeper you’ve seen in a SCFC shirt. If so you’ve missed quite a few g He was one of the best since Banks, now he’s one of the worst. He’s never been the same since he broke his ankle. His kicking is terrible, he can’t move to his left, he hasn’t stopped a penalty in years and he rarely if ever comes out for crosses. It’s crying shame, but his career may be over. MON should drop him for the rest of the season, if we are to have any chance of staying up. The players must have lost confidence in him. And before you ask I also saw GB in the flesh.
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Post by kustokie on Jul 10, 2020 0:36:02 GMT
Oh he's part of (if not the main) problem, no doubt but the lack of any sort of press on the ball is responsible for at least half the goals we've conceded since start-up. Opposition players mowing through us unchallenged and taking shots from all angles without a boot near them. Utter shambles. The lack of the press has been an issue for the last 4 years. One of the reasons I think the Joe Allen argument is bollocks. We haven’t had a midfield that can shut down opposition for way too long. They don’t protect the back 4. It’s nothing new and something that actually has been really bastard common since Allen came into the side. Funny that..... I was pleasantly surprised when Whelan stepped up and did a great job in front of the back four. We suffered significantly by not replacing him.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Jul 10, 2020 0:36:41 GMT
We've steadily gone shitter and shitter since he's been our number 1. Not all is his fault but he's by no means blameless. Get rid, cash in. Cash in who’s gonna buy that useless cunt
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 10, 2020 0:43:29 GMT
The lack of the press has been an issue for the last 4 years. One of the reasons I think the Joe Allen argument is bollocks. We haven’t had a midfield that can shut down opposition for way too long. They don’t protect the back 4. It’s nothing new and something that actually has been really bastard common since Allen came into the side. Funny that..... I was pleasantly surprised when Whelan stepped up and did a great job in front of the back four. We suffered significantly by not replacing him. Yeah it’s the area that I think has really seen us struggle. Our CBs have been so exposed In this time. They’re left 1 on 1 with a player who’s already been running for 20/30 yards so many times. And it just shouldn’t happen. The DM in this time has meant to have been a certain Welshman. Hence why I’ve got fuck all time for him.
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Post by callas12 on Jul 10, 2020 0:52:46 GMT
I'd noticed this too, Butland appears to be very weak when it comes to diving to his left & I've no doubts Bielsa had done his extensive homework & researched that shooting to towards the righthandside of the goal will bring a higher degree of success as turned out to be the case. Can anyone remember a time when Jack's dived left for a penalty? When has he ever dived for a penalty? He meekly flops to one side like he’s dying. Attachment DeletedIts been a long while but the only time I can recall was his peno save from Hazard v Chelsea in the League Cup. Think every penalties gone to his left as he dives to his right since the mentioned save
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 10, 2020 0:57:57 GMT
When has he ever dived for a penalty? He meekly flops to one side like he’s dying. View AttachmentIts been a long while but the only time I can recall was his peno save from Hazard v Chelsea in the League Cup. Think every penalties gone to his left as he dives to his right since the mentioned save I love it how that save always crops up. For years it was used as a reason why he was good at them. 😂 The only one. Pathetic goalkeeper.
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