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Diouf
Aug 31, 2020 15:01:59 GMT
Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 31, 2020 15:01:59 GMT
Even O'Neill didn't give Diouf much game time. For five managers not to play him, Diouf mustn't have looked good enough behind the scenes. It's a strange one as whether he scored or not, at least he seemed to have the difficult knack of being in the right place at the right time, plus his pace. Surely he would've been a more than worthwhile alternative to Ince on the right in the past two seasons. It'll be interesting to see how he does in Turkey or wherever he ends up next. I wish him all the best. He just fell foul of the new office politics. New managers, such as Rowett and Jones, often want to stamp their authority by letting go or isolating players that were fan favourites or were a particular success during previous management. They want one of their signings to be fan favourite or the success story, because obviously they shine a light on the current manager's alleged great ability in coaching and signing players. It happened to Diouf and Bojan, and before that it happened to Huth under Hughes. It probably happened to someone under Pulis, but I've forgotten who. For Hughes it seemingly worked, because he did find new fan favourites (Bojan, Muniesa) and wannabee superstars (Arnie), but it also backfired as he never really succeeded in replacing Huth. For Rowett it also never worked, as sections of the fanbase never took to him and indeed he didn't take to us, plus McClean never really became a fan favourite until well after Rowett left. For Jones it never really worked period, and Nick Powell, Davies et al didn't really do well until Jones had gone. For O'Neill there appears to be some favouritism for Chester and Thompson, but none negatively for the old squad which he has worked well with. Have to say, though, I can't imagine Chester and Thompson becoming fan favourites any time soon. Mikel? If he stays longer than one year, maybe. I can see Fletcher becoming a fan favourite. Also with Pulis I’d say maybe Hoefkens? Pulis and Hoefkens loved each other. I was surprised to find that out too, but they've been complimentary of each other since Hoefkens left.
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Diouf
Aug 31, 2020 15:50:34 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Aug 31, 2020 15:50:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 16:01:29 GMT
Even O'Neill didn't give Diouf much game time. For five managers not to play him, Diouf mustn't have looked good enough behind the scenes. It's a strange one as whether he scored or not, at least he seemed to have the difficult knack of being in the right place at the right time, plus his pace. Surely he would've been a more than worthwhile alternative to Ince on the right in the past two seasons. It'll be interesting to see how he does in Turkey or wherever he ends up next. I wish him all the best. He scored the winning goal in O'Neill's first match here. You would have thought that would endear him to the manager, but Diouf was never given a proper chance to build on it, despite vague promises from O'Neill.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 16:02:22 GMT
I'm really pleased for Mame.
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Post by Gods on Aug 31, 2020 16:27:36 GMT
15th most goals for the Potters in the Premier league or the old Division 1 in our history. Zero penalties in his total.
1.John Ritchie Stoke City 134 2.Peter Dobing Stoke City 81 3.Jimmy Greenhoff Stoke City 76 4.Harry Burrows Stoke City 69 5.Frank Bowyer Stoke City 56 6.Terry Conroy Stoke City 47 7.Peter Crouch Stoke City 44 8.Jon Walters Stoke City 43 9.Lee Chapman Stoke City 34 10.Dennis Viollet Stoke City 31 11.Geoff Hurst Stoke City 30 12.Harry Oscroft Stoke City 29 13.Denis Smith Stoke City 26 14.John Mahoney Stoke City 25 15.Mame Diouf Stoke City 24
Below him Garth Crooks, Marko Arnautovic, Freddie Steele, Roy Vernon, Frank Mountford, Adrian heath, Ricardo Fuller to name but a few.
He doesn't look silky smooth but to suggest as some people are he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo is preposterous.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 31, 2020 17:58:47 GMT
15th most goals for the Potters in the Premier league or the old Division 1 in our history. Zero penalties in his total. 1.John Ritchie Stoke City 134 2.Peter Dobing Stoke City 81 3.Jimmy Greenhoff Stoke City 76 4.Harry Burrows Stoke City 69 5.Frank Bowyer Stoke City 56 6.Terry Conroy Stoke City 47 7.Peter Crouch Stoke City 44 8.Jon Walters Stoke City 43 9.Lee Chapman Stoke City 34 10.Dennis Viollet Stoke City 31 11.Geoff Hurst Stoke City 30 12.Harry Oscroft Stoke City 29 13.Denis Smith Stoke City 26 14.John Mahoney Stoke City 25 15.Mame Diouf Stoke City 24 Below him Garth Crooks, Marko Arnautovic, Freddie Steele, Roy Vernon, Frank Mountford, Adrian heath, Ricardo Fuller to name but a few. He doesn't look silky smooth but to suggest as some people are he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo is preposterous. Absolutely. That's a very distinguished list.
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Diouf
Aug 31, 2020 18:10:12 GMT
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Post by retrostoke on Aug 31, 2020 18:10:12 GMT
He scored 24 in 144. He was poor
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Diouf
Aug 31, 2020 18:17:53 GMT
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Post by a on Aug 31, 2020 18:17:53 GMT
15th most goals for the Potters in the Premier league or the old Division 1 in our history. Zero penalties in his total. 1.John Ritchie Stoke City 134 2.Peter Dobing Stoke City 81 3.Jimmy Greenhoff Stoke City 76 4.Harry Burrows Stoke City 69 5.Frank Bowyer Stoke City 56 6.Terry Conroy Stoke City 47 7.Peter Crouch Stoke City 44 8.Jon Walters Stoke City 43 9.Lee Chapman Stoke City 34 10.Dennis Viollet Stoke City 31 11.Geoff Hurst Stoke City 30 12.Harry Oscroft Stoke City 29 13.Denis Smith Stoke City 26 14.John Mahoney Stoke City 25 15.Mame Diouf Stoke City 24 Below him Garth Crooks, Marko Arnautovic, Freddie Steele, Roy Vernon, Frank Mountford, Adrian heath, Ricardo Fuller to name but a few. He doesn't look silky smooth but to suggest as some people are he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo is preposterous. People will still complain about misses. He was a free signing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 18:21:28 GMT
He scored 24 in 144. He was poor You can't count them like that. In case you haven't read this thread or don't know anything, he played all over the olace for Stoke. Defence, midfield, winger, up front. Only an idiot would criticise a fullback for not scoring. Thatnotwithstanding...he could have scored more. So could Hurst, Ritchie, and Greenhoff.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 31, 2020 18:23:17 GMT
Even O'Neill didn't give Diouf much game time. For five managers not to play him, Diouf mustn't have looked good enough behind the scenes. It's a strange one as whether he scored or not, at least he seemed to have the difficult knack of being in the right place at the right time, plus his pace. Surely he would've been a more than worthwhile alternative to Ince on the right in the past two seasons. It'll be interesting to see how he does in Turkey or wherever he ends up next. I wish him all the best. I can see Fletcher becoming a fan favourite. Also with Pulis I’d say maybe Hoefkens? Pulis and Hoefkens loved each other. I was surprised to find that out too, but they've been complimentary of each other since Hoefkens left. He'd clearly lost that pace though and that was most of his game, hopefully he does well at his new club.
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Diouf
Aug 31, 2020 19:23:29 GMT
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Aug 31, 2020 19:23:29 GMT
I'm really pleased for Mame. Same, he’s a gem.
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Diouf
Aug 31, 2020 20:31:05 GMT
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Post by retrostoke on Aug 31, 2020 20:31:05 GMT
He scored 24 in 144. He was poor You can't count them like that. In case you haven't read this thread or don't know anything, he played all over the olace for Stoke. Defence, midfield, winger, up front. Only an idiot would criticise a fullback for not scoring. Thatnotwithstanding...he could have scored more. So could Hurst, Ritchie, and Greenhoff. He played in so many positions because none of the managers trusted him as a striker
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Diouf
Aug 31, 2020 20:31:31 GMT
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Post by ab61 on Aug 31, 2020 20:31:31 GMT
15th most goals for the Potters in the Premier league or the old Division 1 in our history. Zero penalties in his total. 1.John Ritchie Stoke City 134 2.Peter Dobing Stoke City 81 3.Jimmy Greenhoff Stoke City 76 4.Harry Burrows Stoke City 69 5.Frank Bowyer Stoke City 56 6.Terry Conroy Stoke City 47 7.Peter Crouch Stoke City 44 8.Jon Walters Stoke City 43 9.Lee Chapman Stoke City 34 10.Dennis Viollet Stoke City 31 11.Geoff Hurst Stoke City 30 12.Harry Oscroft Stoke City 29 13.Denis Smith Stoke City 26 14.John Mahoney Stoke City 25 15.Mame Diouf Stoke City 24 Below him Garth Crooks, Marko Arnautovic, Freddie Steele, Roy Vernon, Frank Mountford, Adrian heath, Ricardo Fuller to name but a few. He doesn't look silky smooth but to suggest as some people are he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo is preposterous. Oh right. He must have been better than Arnie then 🙄
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Post by BristolMick on Aug 31, 2020 20:32:55 GMT
Just looked on google maps and this place is close to the border with Syria. Thank you for your contribution to SCFC Mame, especially THAT goal at Man City. Stay safe! BM
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Post by kustokie on Aug 31, 2020 20:53:23 GMT
He scored 24 in 144. He was poor I don’t have the numbers; however, I’d hazard guess that more than half of those appearances were at right back or right wing back. So 24 in 72 is pretty good. edit. This should settle the argument once and for all. If not check out his goal in the 6-1 thrashing of liverpool.
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Diouf
Aug 31, 2020 21:00:56 GMT
Post by kustokie on Aug 31, 2020 21:00:56 GMT
He scored 24 in 144. He was poor I don’t have the numbers; however, I’d hazard guess that more than half of those appearances were at right back or right wing back. So 24 in 72 is pretty good. edit. This should settle the argument once and for all. If not check out his goal in the 6-1 thrashing of liverpool. The man’s a bloody genius. Scored with his head, both feet and his arse.
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Post by retrostoke on Aug 31, 2020 21:01:00 GMT
He scored 24 in 144. He was poor I don’t have the numbers; however, I’d hazard guess that more than half of those appearances were at right back or right wing back. So 24 in 72 is pretty good. If he was pretty good as a striker he wouldn’t have been shifted out wide or so far back would he. Total respect to him for giving everything for us but let’s be honest he was an average player on a better than average wage. He had opportunities galore but rarely rose to the challenge. Honest, industrious and likeable but let’s not embellish it.
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Diouf
Aug 31, 2020 21:05:56 GMT
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Post by hyaduck on Aug 31, 2020 21:05:56 GMT
Are you on drugs...Diouf is one of the worst footballers I’ve seen at a top level, he scored the odd goal I’ll give you that, albeit most he wouldn’t have known about. As an actual footballer he was piss poor. An absurd and insulting assessment of, for a time, one of the most prolific strikers we had in the PL Prolific and Diouf 😂😂 Kin’ell you should be on the stage. If you put sentiment aside, you’ll agree he was crap.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 31, 2020 21:12:32 GMT
An absurd and insulting assessment of, for a time, one of the most prolific strikers we had in the PL Prolific and Diouf 😂😂 Kin’ell you should be on the stage. If you put sentiment aside, you’ll agree he was crap. And if you put aside mockery and silly assumptions about my "sentiment", you'll see that "one of the most prolific strikers we had in the PL" is a statement of objective fact.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 31, 2020 21:15:35 GMT
An absurd and insulting assessment of, for a time, one of the most prolific strikers we had in the PL Prolific and Diouf 😂😂 Kin’ell you should be on the stage. If you put sentiment aside, you’ll agree he was crap. I bet he's done a bit better in his chosen profession than you though
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Diouf
Aug 31, 2020 21:35:33 GMT
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Post by hyaduck on Aug 31, 2020 21:35:33 GMT
Prolific and Diouf 😂😂 Kin’ell you should be on the stage. If you put sentiment aside, you’ll agree he was crap. I bet he's done a bit better in his chosen profession than you though If I was shit at my chosen profession, I very much doubt I’d have people drooling over me like you lot with Diouf.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 31, 2020 22:36:39 GMT
I bet he's done a bit better in his chosen profession than you though If I was shit at my chosen profession, I very much doubt I’d have people drooling over me like you lot with Diouf. Why do folk on here always have to totally misrepresent other posters' comments to try to make their own points. Nobody was drooling over Diouf. The point was that he has achieved far more at Stoke than many (if not all) of the players that were brought in to replace him. Statistics back this up with his goals contribution at the highest level. You've not made any constructive or coherent contribution to this thread, only repeatedly saying he was crap and slagging off posters who might think differently.
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Diouf
Aug 31, 2020 23:16:15 GMT
Post by hyaduck on Aug 31, 2020 23:16:15 GMT
If I was shit at my chosen profession, I very much doubt I’d have people drooling over me like you lot with Diouf. Why do folk on here always have to totally misrepresent other posters' comments to try to make their own points. Nobody was drooling over Diouf. The point was that he has achieved far more at Stoke than many (if not all) of the players that were brought in to replace him. Statistics back this up with his goals contribution at the highest level. You've not made any constructive or coherent contribution to this thread, only repeatedly saying he was crap and slagging off posters who might think differently. It's a message board for christ sakes, I'm stating my opinion that he is a very poor player, you on the other hand need to take those blinkered spectacles off.
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 31, 2020 23:30:48 GMT
I bet he's done a bit better in his chosen profession than you though If I was shit at my chosen profession, I very much doubt I’d have people drooling over me like you lot with Diouf. He certainly wasn't crap and he also wasn't clinical, he was however the club top scorer in 2014/15. He was quite clearly not shit. You're painting yourself into a corner with the comments your posting about him. He was a loyal player and gave us a level of commitment that was lacking in many other players as far as I can see and that deserves recognition. Best of luck to him, I say.
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Post by kustokie on Sept 1, 2020 1:28:41 GMT
I don’t have the numbers; however, I’d hazard guess that more than half of those appearances were at right back or right wing back. So 24 in 72 is pretty good. If he was pretty good as a striker he wouldn’t have been shifted out wide or so far back would he. Total respect to him for giving everything for us but let’s be honest he was an average player on a better than average wage. He had opportunities galore but rarely rose to the challenge. Honest, industrious and likeable but let’s not embellish it. First of all welcome to the Oatcake. Watch out, though. You’ll get battered if you don’t get your facts straight. I learned the hard way, this is a rough place if you don’t because not everyone is polite as they should be. That’s the nature of social networking. The facts are clear. Diouf is decent striker. Top scorer on more than one occasion and 15th on the all time list, despite playing out of position half the time. Hughes went for three at back with two wing backs. Unfortunately he didn’t have any wingbacks in the squad so he had to improvise. Diouf is quick and runs until he drops, so Hughes stuck him on the right. Unfortunately he has the first touch of a baby elephant and he’s not a natural defender. His strengths are running straight ahead at pace, heading and shooting bullets (with many spectacular misses - he’s no Bobby Charlton). He suffered in the role he was asked to play without complaint, the fans cringed but never got on his case because they saw what was going on and because of his terrible personal tragedies. Frankly I don’t know he got through it. Hughes all but ruined his career and he still remained loyal to the end. If we all showed a fraction of the strength of character of Mame Diouf the world would be a better place. The second round peg Hughes tried to shove into a square hole was Erik Pieters who is a very good defensive left back but but not so good going forward because he couldn’t cross a ball to save his life. Actually that’s not quite true - he did put in a fantastic near post cross that was headed in by a Walters - I don’t remember the game. In my opinion, switching to three at the back was the main reason we were relegated. Hughes was too either too stubborn or too stupid to admit his mistake and revert to a formation that suited his squad. Unfortunately, Stoke’s management dilly-dallied and waited until it was too late to fire him. It cost us premier league status, nearly sent us down another division and we are nowhere near out of the woods.
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Post by s7oke on Sept 1, 2020 3:46:34 GMT
15th most goals for the Potters in the Premier league or the old Division 1 in our history. Zero penalties in his total. 1.John Ritchie Stoke City 134 2.Peter Dobing Stoke City 81 3.Jimmy Greenhoff Stoke City 76 4.Harry Burrows Stoke City 69 5.Frank Bowyer Stoke City 56 6.Terry Conroy Stoke City 47 7.Peter Crouch Stoke City 44 8.Jon Walters Stoke City 43 9.Lee Chapman Stoke City 34 10.Dennis Viollet Stoke City 31 11.Geoff Hurst Stoke City 30 12.Harry Oscroft Stoke City 29 13.Denis Smith Stoke City 26 14.John Mahoney Stoke City 25 15.Mame Diouf Stoke City 24 Below him Garth Crooks, Marko Arnautovic, Freddie Steele, Roy Vernon, Frank Mountford, Adrian heath, Ricardo Fuller to name but a few. He doesn't look silky smooth but to suggest as some people are he couldn't hit a cows arse with a banjo is preposterous. Oh right. He must have been better than Arnie then 🙄 Arnie was a two in ten player when he felt like it and a mard arse at times falling over and slapping the floor Also never gave his all in matches all the time Diouf did Yea he missed goals but also scored some but he was always willing and a team player And as for arnie look at his shots at goal a lot were high wise and handsome Because sometimes his foot was like a 50p piece. I know which one I would have in the trenches with me anyway
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 1, 2020 4:51:05 GMT
Oh right. He must have been better than Arnie then 🙄 Arnie was a two in ten player when he felt like it and a mard arse at times falling over and slapping the floor Also never gave his all in matches all the time Diouf did Yea he missed goals but also scored some but he was always willing and a team player And as for arnie look at his shots at goal a lot were high wise and handsome Because sometimes his foot was like a 50p piece. I know which one I would have in the trenches with me anyway I almost posted earlier Arnie could be just as wayward as Diouf at times in terms of finishing. The real problem here is a tendency to simplistic thinking. Once a striker gets a reputation as a bad finisher they are doomed because, perversely, the expectation level is raised for them. They’re expected to score every chance that comes to them, and when they miss (as all strikers do) it’s further evidence of how useless they are. When they score it’s a miracle, or it bounced off him or my grandma could have scored that. Diouf’s composure and first touch were weak points. But he was also strong, tireless, selfless, instinctive and very intelligent positionally - resulting in a lot of those right-place-right-time goals that an uncharitable spectator might summarise as lucky. Mame Diouf could teach every one of our current attacking players a thing or two about playing as a centre forward. And he’s had a career in the top flight most of them could only dream of.
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Diouf
Sept 1, 2020 7:07:49 GMT
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Post by retrostoke on Sept 1, 2020 7:07:49 GMT
Mmmmm. Don’t think he could teach Fletcher anything at all. Maybe Martin Carruthers... maybe
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Diouf
Sept 1, 2020 7:24:06 GMT
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Post by hyaduck on Sept 1, 2020 7:24:06 GMT
Arnie was a two in ten player when he felt like it and a mard arse at times falling over and slapping the floor Also never gave his all in matches all the time Diouf did Yea he missed goals but also scored some but he was always willing and a team player And as for arnie look at his shots at goal a lot were high wise and handsome Because sometimes his foot was like a 50p piece. I know which one I would have in the trenches with me anyway I almost posted earlier Arnie could be just as wayward as Diouf at times in terms of finishing. The real problem here is a tendency to simplistic thinking. Once a striker gets a reputation as a bad finisher they are doomed because, perversely, the expectation level is raised for them. They’re expected to score every chance that comes to them, and when they miss (as all strikers do) it’s further evidence of how useless they are. When they score it’s a miracle, or it bounced off him or my grandma could have scored that. Diouf’s composure and first touch were weak points. But he was also strong, tireless, selfless, instinctive and very intelligent positionally - resulting in a lot of those right-place-right-time goals that an uncharitable spectator might summarise as lucky. Mame Diouf could teach every one of our current attacking players a thing or two about playing as a centre forward. And he’s had a career in the top flight most of them could only dream of. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but you don’t half talk a load cack.
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Diouf
Sept 1, 2020 7:44:17 GMT
Post by AlbertTatlock on Sept 1, 2020 7:44:17 GMT
Good luck Mame and thank you for your efforts at the Stoke - hope everything goes well for you. Gouranga.
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