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Post by noustie on Jul 21, 2020 10:40:10 GMT
How long he had to a job at right back really took the piss. He did it with Shaqiri in front of him and teams targeting him as a weakness. No wonder he was never the same player again.
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Post by MilanStokie on Jul 21, 2020 10:47:19 GMT
Criminally underused and when he was used, it was outrageously out of position. Mame deserved much better treatment than this, really poor from Stoke
Instead we preferred to try and reintegrate Saido fucking Berahino and wasted over a year doing so for him to be sacked. Great call.
Good luck Mame, you are one of the last players in the current setup that I felt anything for, Bojan was the previous. I Can't say the same for 95% of the rest of the remaining players.
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jul 21, 2020 10:59:49 GMT
Criminally underused and when he was used, it was outrageously out of position. Mame deserved much better treatment than this, really poor from Stoke Instead we preferred to try and reintegrate Saido fucking Berahino and wasted over a year doing so for him to be sacked. Great call. Good luck Mame, you are one of the last players in the current setup that I felt anything for, Bojan was the previous. I Can't say the same for 95% of the rest of the remaining players. This. This. And this again
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Diouf
Jul 21, 2020 12:29:03 GMT
Post by pez75 on Jul 21, 2020 12:29:03 GMT
Criminally underused and when he was used, it was outrageously out of position. Mame deserved much better treatment than this, really poor from Stoke Instead we preferred to try and reintegrate Saido fucking Berahino and wasted over a year doing so for him to be sacked. Great call. Good luck Mame, you are one of the last players in the current setup that I felt anything for, Bojan was the previous. I Can't say the same for 95% of the rest of the remaining players. What a load of chonnocks. 'Really poor from Stoke' - how much is he paid again? He has a healthy contract and is part of a set-up that we know looks after players and staff, and I have no doubt that he had the club's full support when he went through his own personal tragedy. This club has not mis-treated Diouf in any way, being selected to play is down to him and his manager, and as we have had a few now and none seem to fancy him he needs to ask himself where is it going wrong? I hope he is not like you lot of whingers and sitting there crying saying "I even filled in at right back...". Diouf's best days (the few he had) are way behind him now and the club owes him nothing other than the remainder of his contract.
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Post by redstriper on Jul 21, 2020 12:48:25 GMT
Never hid, always gave it a go, never complained, more likeable than many we've had. Best of luck for the future Mame
We are gradually losing the last of them from what could nostalgically be called the last "golden era"
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Post by MilanStokie on Jul 21, 2020 13:29:22 GMT
Criminally underused and when he was used, it was outrageously out of position. Mame deserved much better treatment than this, really poor from Stoke Instead we preferred to try and reintegrate Saido fucking Berahino and wasted over a year doing so for him to be sacked. Great call. Good luck Mame, you are one of the last players in the current setup that I felt anything for, Bojan was the previous. I Can't say the same for 95% of the rest of the remaining players. What a load of chonnocks. 'Really poor from Stoke' - how much is he paid again? He has a healthy contract and is part of a set-up that we know looks after players and staff, and I have no doubt that he had the club's full support when he went through his own personal tragedy. This club has not mis-treated Diouf in any way, being selected to play is down to him and his manager, and as we have had a few now and none seem to fancy him he needs to ask himself where is it going wrong? I hope he is not like you lot of whingers and sitting there crying saying "I even filled in at right back...". Diouf's best days (the few he had) are way behind him now and the club owes him nothing other than the remainder of his contract. I disagree. The decision to scarcely use him, even when we were desperate, smacks of financial restraint. It really wouldn't surprise me if his contract in the end was full of performance and appearance related addons and we chose to save a few pennies. contracts that I don't agree with. It's irrelevant how much he gets paid, he never complained even when too much faith was put into the disaster that was berahino. If you are happy with the way this club has been ran over the last 5 years then crack on mate, but many things the club has done of late has been embarrassing at times.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 21, 2020 15:18:58 GMT
What a load of chonnocks. 'Really poor from Stoke' - how much is he paid again? He has a healthy contract and is part of a set-up that we know looks after players and staff, and I have no doubt that he had the club's full support when he went through his own personal tragedy. This club has not mis-treated Diouf in any way, being selected to play is down to him and his manager, and as we have had a few now and none seem to fancy him he needs to ask himself where is it going wrong? I hope he is not like you lot of whingers and sitting there crying saying "I even filled in at right back...". Diouf's best days (the few he had) are way behind him now and the club owes him nothing other than the remainder of his contract. I disagree. The decision to scarcely use him, even when we were desperate, smacks of financial restraint. It really wouldn't surprise me if his contract in the end was full of performance and appearance related addons and we chose to save a few pennies. contracts that I don't agree with. It's irrelevant how much he gets paid, he never complained even when too much faith was put into the disaster that was berahino. If you are happy with the way this club has been ran over the last 5 years then crack on mate, but many things the club has done of late has been embarrassing at times. We don't know that. But I'm with you on missing Mame. It's not just that he's clearly solid enough at this level, but he runs his socks off and if we'd used him with McLean their energy could have really unnerved defences. We've desperately missed players with heart and commitment. Sounds like his wage was ridiculous for the championship but I can't begrudge him that, all the best Mame.
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Diouf
Jul 21, 2020 15:47:26 GMT
Post by MilanStokie on Jul 21, 2020 15:47:26 GMT
I disagree. The decision to scarcely use him, even when we were desperate, smacks of financial restraint. It really wouldn't surprise me if his contract in the end was full of performance and appearance related addons and we chose to save a few pennies. contracts that I don't agree with. It's irrelevant how much he gets paid, he never complained even when too much faith was put into the disaster that was berahino. If you are happy with the way this club has been ran over the last 5 years then crack on mate, but many things the club has done of late has been embarrassing at times. We don't know that. But I'm with you on missing Mame. It's not just that he's clearly solid enough at this level, but he runs his socks off and if we'd used him with McLean their energy could have really unnerved defences. We've desperately missed players with heart and commitment. Sounds like his wage was ridiculous for the championship but I can't begrudge him that, all the best Mame. Well of course we don't know it. However, I struggle to comprehend how more effort and time was given to Saido, who eventually gets sacked, than allowing Diouf to play. I just think we should have treated a player who has given his absolute all, better. However, as you said, I think we agree on this point
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 19:51:59 GMT
Here's a goodbye from Mame's twitter account (apology if it's been posted before):
Six wonderfull years, gave everything Not easy sometimes but i’ll only keep good memories Thanks to all the club. I’ll never forget you the supporters, you are amazing throwing a kiss Forever a Potter
Edit. the "Red" was part of the emojis used, not the word message, so I removed it above.
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 21, 2020 19:57:29 GMT
Here's a goodbye from Mame's twitter account (apology if it's been posted before): Six wonderfull years, gave everything Not easy sometimes but i’ll only keep good memories Thanks to all the club. I’ll never forget you the supporters, you are amazing throwing a kiss Forever a Potter Red Class from Mame....the feelings mutual
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Diouf
Jul 21, 2020 19:58:50 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 19:58:50 GMT
I can't be certain but I sensed that the reason Mame was kept on higher wages, when others had theirs reduced heavily after relegation, was because the board recognised that Mame had become the single breadwinner for a very large Senegalese family whose other breadwinners died in fairly quick succession, not just his own living with him, but the folks back home. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Diouf
Jul 21, 2020 23:04:03 GMT
Post by nottsover60 on Jul 21, 2020 23:04:03 GMT
Gave me one of my favourite memories of supporting Stoke. I was at the front of the away section when he scored that goal against Manchester City then came and celebrated right in front of us about 2m away. I got a great photo on my phone which unfortunately I can't find but remember clearly.
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Post by Championship Potter on Jul 21, 2020 23:30:28 GMT
Criminally underused and when he was used, it was outrageously out of position. Mame deserved much better treatment than this, really poor from Stoke Instead we preferred to try and reintegrate Saido fucking Berahino and wasted over a year doing so for him to be sacked. Great call. Good luck Mame, you are one of the last players in the current setup that I felt anything for, Bojan was the previous. I Can't say the same for 95% of the rest of the remaining players. 100% agree on this. Never heard him complain once about lack of game time or try and force a move either. Would be nice to have a few more characters like Mame in the squad next season.
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Diouf
Jul 22, 2020 1:48:41 GMT
Post by mtrstudent on Jul 22, 2020 1:48:41 GMT
Gave me one of my favourite memories of supporting Stoke. I was at the front of the away section when he scored that goal against Manchester City then came and celebrated right in front of us about 2m away. I got a great photo on my phone which unfortunately I can't find but remember clearly. Absolute pisser that was. I think my fave prem goals were Rick v Villa, Walters v Chelsea at home and Mame scampering across half the pitch then burying it v City. I was working in London at the time and had a little mental all on my own.
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Diouf
Jul 22, 2020 10:58:58 GMT
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 22, 2020 10:58:58 GMT
Mame may have taken one in every fifteen chances but it felt like one in every one hundred and fifteen chances?😩
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Diouf
Aug 31, 2020 10:47:07 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Aug 31, 2020 10:47:07 GMT
Supposedly having medical at newly-promoted Turkish team
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 31, 2020 11:17:28 GMT
Still better than some of our 'strikers'
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 31, 2020 11:35:42 GMT
I always really liked Diouf. If the majority of the players in the dressing room had had his mentality the season and a half before we got relegated we would never have gone down. A loyal and unfussy player, good luck to him wherever he ends up!
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Post by Goonie on Aug 31, 2020 11:37:22 GMT
Still better than some of our 'strikers' Still better than some of our wingbacks!
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 31, 2020 11:37:31 GMT
Still better than some of our 'strikers' Its hard to know what went wrong with Diouf at Stoke Trying to dig a bit deeper than the 'he was just crap' write-off type analysis For example, Ive not seen anything in Gregory that suggests he has better attributes. I don't think he was Pele, but I don't see how a player who seemed to manage reasonably well in the Prem was deemed so useless for the Championship. Diouf had pace, seemed to have a knack of getting into goal scoring positions, definitely ruffled feathers of defenders, and worked hard, was popular in the camp and apparently trained well.
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Diouf
Aug 31, 2020 11:56:34 GMT
Post by cousindupree on Aug 31, 2020 11:56:34 GMT
I wish him well but to be honest he really wasn't much use.People loved him for his effort but his finishing was woeful. I am struggling to think of a striker whose headers would uncannily hit the keeper...a couple of metres out when it seemed easier to score he would head straight at the keeper!! Even his wonder goal at Man City was a scuffed shot that went between Harts legs credit to him for the run that got him there but the finish was somewhat fortunate. Admittedly Gregory's finishing is poor, but his hold up play is superior to Diouf, in fact most of our recent strikers Afobe, Campbell, Vokes are better. Only the absolute arsehole that was Berahino was worse and I would agree that it was a mystery why Saido got so many starts and Diouf didnt. I am hoping that Fletcher proves to be the first natural goalscorer along with Campbell since Crouch. It would be great to have 2 instinctive finishers in the same strting xi
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 12:14:28 GMT
Still better than some of our 'strikers' Its hard to know what went wrong with Diouf at Stoke Trying to dig a bit deeper than the 'he was just crap' write-off type analysis For example, Ive not seen anything in Gregory that suggests he has better attributes. I don't think he was Pele, but I don't see how a player who seemed to manage reasonably well in the Prem was deemed so useless for the Championship. Diouf had pace, seemed to have a knack of getting into goal scoring positions, definitely ruffled feathers of defenders, and worked hard, was popular in the camp and apparently trained well. He just fell foul of the new office politics. New managers, such as Rowett and Jones, often want to stamp their authority by letting go or isolating players that were fan favourites or were a particular success during previous management. They want one of their signings to be fan favourite or the success story, because obviously they shine a light on the current manager's alleged great ability in coaching and signing players. It happened to Diouf and Bojan, and before that it happened to Huth under Hughes. It probably happened to someone under Pulis, but I've forgotten who. For Hughes it seemingly worked, because he did find new fan favourites (Bojan, Muniesa) and wannabee superstars (Arnie), but it also backfired as he never really succeeded in replacing Huth. For Rowett it also never worked, as sections of the fanbase never took to him and indeed he didn't take to us, plus McClean never really became a fan favourite until well after Rowett left. For Jones it never really worked period, and Nick Powell, Davies et al didn't really do well until Jones had gone. For O'Neill there appears to be some favouritism for Chester and Thompson, but none negatively for the old squad which he has worked well with. Have to say, though, I can't imagine Chester and Thompson becoming fan favourites any time soon. Mikel? If he stays longer than one year, maybe.
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Diouf
Aug 31, 2020 12:44:40 GMT
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Post by EccyStokie on Aug 31, 2020 12:44:40 GMT
Its hard to know what went wrong with Diouf at Stoke Trying to dig a bit deeper than the 'he was just crap' write-off type analysis For example, Ive not seen anything in Gregory that suggests he has better attributes. I don't think he was Pele, but I don't see how a player who seemed to manage reasonably well in the Prem was deemed so useless for the Championship. Diouf had pace, seemed to have a knack of getting into goal scoring positions, definitely ruffled feathers of defenders, and worked hard, was popular in the camp and apparently trained well. He just fell foul of the new office politics. New managers, such as Rowett and Jones, often want to stamp their authority by letting go or isolating players that were fan favourites or were a particular success during previous management. They want one of their signings to be fan favourite or the success story, because obviously they shine a light on the current manager's alleged great ability in coaching and signing players. It happened to Diouf and Bojan, and before that it happened to Huth under Hughes. It probably happened to someone under Pulis, but I've forgotten who. For Hughes it seemingly worked, because he did find new fan favourites (Bojan, Muniesa) and wannabee superstars (Arnie), but it also backfired as he never really succeeded in replacing Huth. For Rowett it also never worked, as sections of the fanbase never took to him and indeed he didn't take to us, plus McClean never really became a fan favourite until well after Rowett left. For Jones it never really worked period, and Nick Powell, Davies et al didn't really do well until Jones had gone. For O'Neill there appears to be some favouritism for Chester and Thompson, but none negatively for the old squad which he has worked well with. Have to say, though, I can't imagine Chester and Thompson becoming fan favourites any time soon. Mikel? If he stays longer than one year, maybe. I can see Fletcher becoming a fan favourite. Also with Pulis I’d say maybe Hoefkens?
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Diouf
Aug 31, 2020 12:59:20 GMT
Post by Pugsley on Aug 31, 2020 12:59:20 GMT
I wish him well but to be honest he really wasn't much use.People loved him for his effort but his finishing was woeful. I am struggling to think of a striker whose headers would uncannily hit the keeper...a couple of metres out when it seemed easier to score he would head straight at the keeper!! Even his wonder goal at Man City was a scuffed shot that went between Harts legs credit to him for the run that got him there but the finish was somewhat fortunate. Admittedly Gregory's finishing is poor, but his hold up play is superior to Diouf, in fact most of our recent strikers Afobe, Campbell, Vokes are better. Only the absolute arsehole that was Berahino was worse and I would agree that it was a mystery why Saido got so many starts and Diouf didnt. I am hoping that Fletcher proves to be the first natural goalscorer along with Campbell since Crouch. It would be great to have 2 instinctive finishers in the same strting xi Scored more goals in a PL season than any other of our strikers despite missing chunks through injury and ACoN. Suggesting our current Strikers are better is laughable. Hopefully Campbell will come close.
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Diouf
Aug 31, 2020 13:11:37 GMT
Post by spitthedog on Aug 31, 2020 13:11:37 GMT
I wish him well but to be honest he really wasn't much use.People loved him for his effort but his finishing was woeful. I am struggling to think of a striker whose headers would uncannily hit the keeper...a couple of metres out when it seemed easier to score he would head straight at the keeper!! Even his wonder goal at Man City was a scuffed shot that went between Harts legs credit to him for the run that got him there but the finish was somewhat fortunate. Admittedly Gregory's finishing is poor, but his hold up play is superior to Diouf, in fact most of our recent strikers Afobe, Campbell, Vokes are better. Only the absolute arsehole that was Berahino was worse and I would agree that it was a mystery why Saido got so many starts and Diouf didnt. I am hoping that Fletcher proves to be the first natural goalscorer along with Campbell since Crouch. It would be great to have 2 instinctive finishers in the same strting xi Scored more goals in a PL season than any other of our strikers despite missing chunks through injury and ACoN. Suggesting our current Strikers are better is laughable. Hopefully Campbell will come close. I think only Campbell has shown any level of improvement over Diouf, and that is in very small doses. We are yet to see to what extent that can be sustained. There is no way in a million years that Gregory would score 24 goals in the Premiership regardless of how many minutes he was given. He wouldn't last 10 minutes at that level. I suppose we could always give him a go at right back though...that would be a laugh!
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Diouf
Aug 31, 2020 13:22:29 GMT
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Post by hyaduck on Aug 31, 2020 13:22:29 GMT
Scored more goals in a PL season than any other of our strikers despite missing chunks through injury and ACoN. Suggesting our current Strikers are better is laughable. Hopefully Campbell will come close. I think only Campbell has shown any level of improvement over Diouf, and that is in very small doses. We are yet to see to what extent that can be sustained. There is no way in a million years that Gregory would score 24 goals in the Premiership regardless of how many minutes he was given. He wouldn't last 10 minutes at that level. I suppose we could always give him a go at right back though...that would be a laugh! Are you on drugs...Diouf is one of the worst footballers I’ve seen at a top level, he scored the odd goal I’ll give you that, albeit most he wouldn’t have known about. As an actual footballer he was piss poor.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 13:38:38 GMT
I think only Campbell has shown any level of improvement over Diouf, and that is in very small doses. We are yet to see to what extent that can be sustained. There is no way in a million years that Gregory would score 24 goals in the Premiership regardless of how many minutes he was given. He wouldn't last 10 minutes at that level. I suppose we could always give him a go at right back though...that would be a laugh! Are you on drugs...Diouf is one of the worst footballers I’ve seen at a top level, he scored the odd goal I’ll give you that, albeit most he wouldn’t have known about. As an actual footballer he was piss poor. If he's on drugs, then your mind must be failing or was never working in the first place. What you say is just factually wrong. He scored 12 goals in his first season here and was topscorer.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 31, 2020 13:50:01 GMT
I think only Campbell has shown any level of improvement over Diouf, and that is in very small doses. We are yet to see to what extent that can be sustained. There is no way in a million years that Gregory would score 24 goals in the Premiership regardless of how many minutes he was given. He wouldn't last 10 minutes at that level. I suppose we could always give him a go at right back though...that would be a laugh! Are you on drugs...Diouf is one of the worst footballers I’ve seen at a top level, he scored the odd goal I’ll give you that, albeit most he wouldn’t have known about. As an actual footballer he was piss poor. I think I would need quite a lot of drugs to imagine Gregory scoring 12 goals in a Premiership season!
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Post by kustokie on Aug 31, 2020 13:53:05 GMT
I can't be certain but I sensed that the reason Mame was kept on higher wages, when others had theirs reduced heavily after relegation, was because the board recognised that Mame had become the single breadwinner for a very large Senegalese family whose other breadwinners died in fairly quick succession, not just his own living with him, but the folks back home. Correct me if I'm wrong. The club does have a reputation for doing the right thing by its players when they experience injuries and personal issues. However, I doubt that’s the reason they maintained his his high wages. That’s purely a contractural arrangement negotiated by his agent. Diouf appears to be thoroughly decent individual who deserved better treatment by Hughes on the pitch. If every Stoke player of that era had the same attitude we would not be playing in the Championship. Hughes pursued Diouf as a striker and tried to convert him into a defender. He did something similar with Bojan - he promised that was signed predominantly so he could play up front because he wasn’t interested in playing a big center forward. That was a big factor in Bojan joining Stoke. Hughes either lied, changed his mind or forgot. He found a winning formula (4-2-3-1) and should have stuck with it. He basically tried to fix something that wasn’t broken. Leicester, Wolves, Sheffield United proved it’s not impossible for a small club to break into the top 6, and there’s no reason why we couldn’t have done the same.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 31, 2020 14:44:23 GMT
I think only Campbell has shown any level of improvement over Diouf, and that is in very small doses. We are yet to see to what extent that can be sustained. There is no way in a million years that Gregory would score 24 goals in the Premiership regardless of how many minutes he was given. He wouldn't last 10 minutes at that level. I suppose we could always give him a go at right back though...that would be a laugh! Are you on drugs...Diouf is one of the worst footballers I’ve seen at a top level, he scored the odd goal I’ll give you that, albeit most he wouldn’t have known about. As an actual footballer he was piss poor. An absurd and insulting assessment of, for a time, one of the most prolific strikers we had in the PL
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