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Post by spitthedog on Jul 4, 2020 9:05:50 GMT
I don't think the EFL will deduct them points out of sheer embarrassment. They'd better get ready for a lot of court cases if they don't Most clubs won’t be able to afford to take it to court.
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 4, 2020 9:09:17 GMT
They'd better get ready for a lot of court cases if they don't Most clubs won’t be able to afford to take it to court. That’s true but the precedent has already been set surely?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 4, 2020 9:24:00 GMT
They'd better get ready for a lot of court cases if they don't Most clubs won’t be able to afford to take it to court. True but one would be one too many, Stoke sould be gearing up now just incase.
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Post by liathroid on Jul 4, 2020 9:57:44 GMT
They'd better get ready for a lot of court cases if they don't Most clubs won’t be able to afford to take it to court. We could and think would
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 4, 2020 10:02:19 GMT
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the EFL’s governance, Wigan lost £9 million last season and £8 million the season before and wages were 168% of turnover last season, third highest in the division. The club can only afford the playing staff it has if there are owners willing to subsidise it. So whatever the behaviour of the owners, the situation arose because a club with turnover of £11.5 million is operating knowing it needs someone to gift it around £10 million a season, that is unsustainable - there are few legitimate owners likely to see that as an attractive proposition.
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Post by OldStokie on Jul 4, 2020 10:12:04 GMT
There's right and wrong in this world and I feel sick to the pit of my stomach for the Wigan fans. Seriously, I hope Wigan continue to play as well as they are doing and overcome a 12 points deduction. If we do manage to stay up at the expense of a perfectly decent football club and decent fans no different from us, although I'd breathe a sigh of relief, I'd feel as though I'd thrown a member of my family under a bus so I could survive. Also, if Wigan do survive then the alleged betting scam on them being relegated will have backfired big style.
So, I hope we avoid relegation on our own merits and so do Wigan on theirs. Also, to survive the 12 point deduction, Wigan will have to beat QPR, Barnsley, Hull, and Charlton, which will be to our advantage if we can pull our socks up. Wigan will then just have to do their best against Brentford and Fulham.
OS.
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Post by Gods on Jul 4, 2020 10:37:01 GMT
I don't see this points deduction happening in a million years. It has to Gods. There are a lot of teams in this league that will be rightly furious that A. The EFL did not proceed with their own official rules B. The fact the administration could’ve saved them (us included) Not deducting the points would be the EFL admitting they are a massive bunch of idiots. Does it suck for Wigan? Sure. Otherwise we may as well just say the rules are there to be broken. Perhaps but Lisa Nandy has gone out to bat for Wigan on this too. Sorry that is rather a vague reply, I couldn't get past your avatar in order to internalise what you wrote!
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Post by Gods on Jul 4, 2020 10:38:42 GMT
I don't see this points deduction happening in a million years. Do you genuinely believe that, or are you simply preparing yourself for the worst if it relegates us? My best guess based on what I have read washed down with an element of bracing myself for the worst as you suggest!
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Post by onepara on Jul 4, 2020 10:47:51 GMT
I see that Wigan's local MP, Lisa Nandi, has asked for a full investigation, & that the 12 points deduction should be rescinded.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 10:56:18 GMT
When does this deduction happen then.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 10:57:35 GMT
Interestingly only SkyBet are offering championship relegation odds according to oddschecker. I noticed that because I was curious as to what the Stoke relegation odds had dropped too, I'm not allowed to cash out either.
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Post by liathroid on Jul 4, 2020 11:12:19 GMT
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Post by theteacher on Jul 4, 2020 11:12:29 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 4, 2020 11:13:43 GMT
And to think, some fucking lunatics want the family gone!
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 4, 2020 11:39:35 GMT
And to think, some fucking lunatics want the family gone! If this is not a cautionary tale, then I don't know what is!
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Post by march4 on Jul 4, 2020 11:56:54 GMT
I’m half watching football focus and am getting the impression they are worried about Wigan folding completely. That isn’t possible surely.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 11:59:11 GMT
I’m half watching football focus and am getting the impression they are worried about Wigan folding completely. That isn’t possible surely. Dave Whelan has already said he'd try and sort a deal out to save them if needed, and that he was already looking into it.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 4, 2020 12:11:27 GMT
I’m half watching football focus and am getting the impression they are worried about Wigan folding completely. That isn’t possible surely. It seems a very difficult one to untangle. The administrator is upbeat but lets face it, hew has to be in this situation. Whelan wants to try to bail them out, but that may not be so straightforward. Its a very murky world, the EFL have just let this stuff go on, and cases like this are looking more and more inevitable.
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Post by march4 on Jul 4, 2020 12:13:44 GMT
I’m half watching football focus and am getting the impression they are worried about Wigan folding completely. That isn’t possible surely. It seems a very difficult one to untangle. The administrator is upbeat but lets face it, hew has to be in this situation. Whelan wants to try to bail them out, but that may not be so straightforward. Its a very murky world, the EFL have just let this stuff go on, and cases like this are looking more and more inevitable. Let’s hope he succeeds. It is horrible to see any club disappear. I have a horrible feeling we could see a spate of clubs in a similar situation this summer. Thank goodness we have the Coates family.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 4, 2020 12:16:16 GMT
If Stoke stayed up at the expense of Wigan with a points deduction and our players were smug about it like it was some sort of achievement I think I'd be sick in my mouth a bit. Lose today and we'll finish bottom so I wouldn't be worried about that.
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Post by Veritas on Jul 4, 2020 13:23:07 GMT
Lisa Nandy is good MP but she will have the same impact as the Bury MP, that is zilch.
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Post by Northy on Jul 4, 2020 14:08:35 GMT
I see that Wigan's local MP, Lisa Nandi, has asked for a full investigation, & that the 12 points deduction should be rescinded. Andy Burnham, Mayor of Manchester has quipped in as well asking for an investigation
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Post by scfc75 on Jul 4, 2020 16:05:25 GMT
-12pts for Wigan puts us 5 clear of 22nd placed Barnsley with a superior GD.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 4, 2020 16:15:53 GMT
Whatever happens it needs to be sorted soon so post season clubs aren’t sure what division they’re going to be in.
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Post by liathroid on Jul 4, 2020 16:41:55 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 4, 2020 18:01:25 GMT
I wish the tables would start provisionally taking the damned points off Wigan to make us all feel a bit better! Don't know where to mentally draw the relegation line with them currently floating somewhere between 16th and 24th
17 Brum 41 -13 49 18 Stoke 41 -7 46 19 Charlton 41 -9 46 20 Hudds 41 -14 46 21 Hull 40 -14 45 --------------------------------- 22 Boro 40 -12 44 --------------------------------- 23 Barnsley 41 -21 41 24 Luton 41 -32 40
Wigan 41 -8 38
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 4, 2020 18:02:49 GMT
I wish the tables would start provisionally taking the damned points off Wigan to make us all feel a bit better! Don't know where to mentally draw the relegation line with them currently floating somewhere between 16th and 24th 17 Brum 41 -13 49 18 Stoke 41 -7 46 19 Charlton 41 -9 46 20 Hudds 41 -14 46 21 Hull 40 -14 45 ------- 22 Boro 40 -12 44 -------- 23 Barnsley 41 -21 41 24 Luton 41 -32 40 Wigan 41 -8 38 Luton v Barnsley on Tuesday FM🤔best result?draw?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2020 18:04:42 GMT
I wish the tables would start provisionally taking the damned points off Wigan to make us all feel a bit better! Don't know where to mentally draw the relegation line with them currently floating somewhere between 16th and 24th 17 Brum 41 -13 49 18 Stoke 41 -7 46 19 Charlton 41 -9 46 20 Hudds 41 -14 46 21 Hull 40 -14 45 --------------------------------- 22 Boro 40 -12 44 --------------------------------- 23 Barnsley 41 -21 41 24 Luton 41 -32 40 Wigan 41 -8 38 This morning were were worrying about bottom place, now we're looking at catching Birmingham. Be glad when over
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Post by thevoid on Jul 4, 2020 18:09:46 GMT
I wish the tables would start provisionally taking the damned points off Wigan to make us all feel a bit better! Don't know where to mentally draw the relegation line with them currently floating somewhere between 16th and 24th 17 Brum 41 -13 49 18 Stoke 41 -7 46 19 Charlton 41 -9 46 20 Hudds 41 -14 46 21 Hull 40 -14 45 --------------------------------- 22 Boro 40 -12 44 --------------------------------- 23 Barnsley 41 -21 41 24 Luton 41 -32 40 Wigan 41 -8 38 As much as this would help us, and despite our ridiculously awful record against Wigan historically, this doesn't sit well with me at all. It feels like the relegation places are being decided by a game of Uno.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 4, 2020 18:12:00 GMT
I wish the tables would start provisionally taking the damned points off Wigan to make us all feel a bit better! Don't know where to mentally draw the relegation line with them currently floating somewhere between 16th and 24th 17 Brum 41 -13 49 18 Stoke 41 -7 46 19 Charlton 41 -9 46 20 Hudds 41 -14 46 21 Hull 40 -14 45 ------- 22 Boro 40 -12 44 -------- 23 Barnsley 41 -21 41 24 Luton 41 -32 40 Wigan 41 -8 38 Luton v Barnsley on Tuesday FM🤔best result?draw? Suppose so. Realistically, can't see either of them clawing their way out though. In fact, if I knew Wigan's points were definitely off, I'd have a level of confidence in our survival that I wouldn't have believed possible on Tuesday night!
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