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Post by knype on Aug 28, 2024 8:26:15 GMT
No, it didn't stop because of that at all! It stopped because people didn't dare to voice their fears in case they got jailed! Why did so many attend the counter protests? Is that because Nick Lowles's cronies and Unite combined together just like BLM, etc etc etc etc Voice their fears? When did attacking police officers, threatening to burn down buildings with people in them, setting cars alight and looting shops become "voicing their fears". Half the people convicted weren't even motivated by voicing anything - they were just in it for an adrenaline rush, act up to impress their mates our pocket some freebies in the mayhem. If you are that concerned about the suppression of legitimate political speech setup a charity to free those convicted for having their concerned voices quashed by a repressive police state. You could start by circulating this article about a bunch of innocent concerned citizens brutally sentenced for merely voicing their concerns: BBC News - Men who attacked police and set van on fire in riots jailed www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy39gxekv5o. I'm sure the money will flood in. And those there who attacked police and threatened to burn building should be jailed. Not everyone there did that?
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Post by knype on Aug 28, 2024 8:27:20 GMT
No, it didn't stop because of that at all! It stopped because people didn't dare to voice their fears in case they got jailed! Why did so many attend the counter protests? Is that because Nick Lowles's cronies and Unite combined together just like BLM, etc etc etc etc Pretty daming evidence that it was far more then "voicing genuine concerns" mate. I know you won't read the article as it doesn't suit your narrative, before you reply with one of your usual childish responses. Hope not hate are equally as bad as any Far Right group so no, you're correct. Won't be reading that trash!
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Post by elystokie on Aug 28, 2024 8:39:27 GMT
Only those that pleaded guilty were fast tracked into jail or other sentences. If you can't see why there was an immediate need for that particular course of action in order to prevent something that threatened to happen the next weekend and the weekend after that etc over something that isn't going to happen for another year there's not much I can do to help you. You're view on this is literally mental 😂😂 Just re-read what your proposing. So because the event where they stabbed someone or carried weapons is only once a year, let's not prioritise their sentencing? But the nasty old right wing racist lady who posted shite on twitter, let's get her in jail ASAP!! Jesus. It was for a specific purpose, I'm sorry you can't grasp that. What would be the advantage of fast tracking cases from the carnival over other violent crimes? The initial action was to end the protests quickly. What would fast tracking the offenders from the carnival achieve? A deterrent from doing something similar in 12 months time I'd say. That's why I can see why there isn't the same urgency, it's really very simple.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 28, 2024 8:42:53 GMT
Pretty daming evidence that it was far more then "voicing genuine concerns" mate. I know you won't read the article as it doesn't suit your narrative, before you reply with one of your usual childish responses. Hope not hate are equally as bad as any Far Right group so no, you're correct. Won't be reading that trash! Yep....thought so.
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Post by knype on Aug 28, 2024 8:44:57 GMT
Hope not hate are equally as bad as any Far Right group so no, you're correct. Won't be reading that trash! Yep....thought so. So you don't agree that clowns like Lowles, antifa and the far left cronies aren't as bad?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 28, 2024 8:57:12 GMT
Only those that pleaded guilty were fast tracked into jail or other sentences. If you can't see why there was an immediate need for that particular course of action in order to prevent something that threatened to happen the next weekend and the weekend after that etc over something that isn't going to happen for another year there's not much I can do to help you. You're view on this is literally mental 😂😂 Just re-read what your proposing. So because the event where they stabbed someone or carried weapons is only once a year, let's not prioritise their sentencing? But the nasty old right wing racist lady who posted shite on twitter, let's get her in jail ASAP!! Jesus. If the person doing the stabbing pleaded not guilty then by default there would be a delay, time would be needed to build a case. If the Just Stop Oil mob were bunged in prison the day after their arrest by the way let's be clear you'd be cock-a-hoop.............
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 28, 2024 8:58:05 GMT
So you don't agree that clowns like Lowles, antifa and the far left cronies aren't as bad? Of course he doesn't Knype. Hes fucking in half of them. Donor to the others.
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Post by Davef on Aug 28, 2024 9:12:24 GMT
No, it didn't stop because of that at all! It stopped because people didn't dare to voice their fears in case they got jailed! Why did so many attend the counter protests? Is that because Nick Lowles's cronies and Unite combined together just like BLM, etc etc etc etc Pretty daming evidence that it was far more then "voicing genuine concerns" mate. I know you won't read the article as it doesn't suit your narrative, before you reply with one of your usual childish responses. I notice that HNH don't mention the trouble in Middlesbrough in that article. Wouldn't have anything to do with Nick Lowles' false information about an acid attack on a Muslim woman would it?
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Aug 28, 2024 9:52:08 GMT
I was uplifted by the reaction of the general public, not the political situation, I'm surprised you conflated the two. I didn't conflate the two. I wrote about how the counter-protests were heavily organised, and choreographed to the point of being an "exercise in state-sponsored gaslighting.". There were no midweek protests planned when all the counter-protesters took to the streets. It was orchestrated and manipulative.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 28, 2024 10:00:33 GMT
You're view on this is literally mental 😂😂 Just re-read what your proposing. So because the event where they stabbed someone or carried weapons is only once a year, let's not prioritise their sentencing? But the nasty old right wing racist lady who posted shite on twitter, let's get her in jail ASAP!! Jesus. If the person doing the stabbing pleaded not guilty then by default there would be a delay, time would be needed to build a case. If the Just Stop Oil mob were bunged in prison the day after their arrest by the way let's be clear you'd be cock-a-hoop............. I imagine lots of these cases will be appealed on account of the fact there is no way they received fair trials given the timescales involved. I can imagine a fair number of them probably needed proper fit for trial assessments for a kick off. And they most definitely haven't had time for any of that process.
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Aug 28, 2024 10:41:08 GMT
Unfortunate turn of phrase there even though I know what you actually mean. “The matter” most certainly has not been dealt with. This country/continent is a political supervolcano threatening to erupt. So you think the authorities should just step aside and let it erupt? That's precisely why they did step in and crack down. There are people out there wanting to incite violence in support of a racist far right agenda - this is exactly what Musk was alluding to in his tweet about Britain on the edge of a civil war. Some of the people caught up in the violence weren't motivated by any political agenda - they were just morons out to cause trouble - but they did let themselves get sucked into something with a bigger agenda. You either choose to support the authorities in cracking down on politically motivated violence or you join those wanting to bring down the rule of law and acheive their political ends through violent means. Your call. I've made mine. Generations of powers and authorities have created the conditions in the western world where political violence and social unrest is an inevitability. We now find ourselves in a situation where, quite frankly, the best government in the world would have a hard time navigating the landscape in a manner that is going to provide satisfactory longterm solutions to the impossibly complex issues that have been brought to our societies against our consent. The current government have taken a hardline stance; so hardline in fact that they've massively overstepped the mark into unambiguous narrative manipulation and outright authoritarianism IMO. There are of course examples of pure thuggery that can never be tolerated; but also many cases of completely disproportionate sentences, and even examples of borderline political persecution for crimes of thought. And that isn't a recent trend btw; thought-policing has become a widespread tactic employed by the politically captured police forces in this country. That's a whole other complex issue in of itself, but it's of paramount concern to me. It's a tinderbox situation and, quite frankly, it's probably irrelevant how any of us plebs view the situation. Disharmony and civil-unrest is going to be an inevitable, growing feature of western civilisation now; and the most depressing part to me is that it feels like such an obvious outcome that I can't help but strongly suspect it's the desired one. That's not me relishing what's been happening and what I believe is to come btw. (before someone here decides to do a cathy newman-esque interpretation of my words) I'm gutted about it and hope I'm somehow completely wrong, and the people on this forum who write long posts extolling the virtues of our multi-cultural society are seeing things that I'm somehow unable to. But I suspect they're the ones with the blind-spot, and I suspect musk is right when he says we are facing a civilisational crisis that could feasibly lead to civil war.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 28, 2024 10:51:46 GMT
So you don't agree that clowns like Lowles, antifa and the far left cronies aren't as bad?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 28, 2024 10:53:11 GMT
Pretty daming evidence that it was far more then "voicing genuine concerns" mate. I know you won't read the article as it doesn't suit your narrative, before you reply with one of your usual childish responses. I notice that HNH don't mention the trouble in Middlesbrough in that article. Wouldn't have anything to do with Nick Lowles' false information about an acid attack on a Muslim woman would it? More often right than wrong Dave, and you know it.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 28, 2024 10:54:10 GMT
So you don't agree that clowns like Lowles, antifa and the far left cronies aren't as bad? Of course he doesn't Knype. Hes fucking in half of them. Donor to the others. Calm down mate, you'll give yourself a coronary. FYI I'm in none by the way.
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Aug 28, 2024 10:56:03 GMT
I notice that HNH don't mention the trouble in Middlesbrough in that article. Wouldn't have anything to do with Nick Lowles' false information about an acid attack on a Muslim woman would it? More often right than wrong Dave, and you know it. That's a pretty huge thing to be wrong about. It's spreading a rumour that is likely to incite violence from a community that have no issues taking machetes to a fist fight.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 28, 2024 11:00:49 GMT
More often right than wrong Dave, and you know it. That's a pretty huge thing to be wrong about. It's spreading a rumour that is likely to incite violence from a community that have no issues taking machetes to a fist fight. Except it didn't as far as I'm aware...but I take your point. Certain people on here helped spread false rumours founded by the far right, assume you'll be as critical of them also?
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Aug 28, 2024 11:12:05 GMT
That's a pretty huge thing to be wrong about. It's spreading a rumour that is likely to incite violence from a community that have no issues taking machetes to a fist fight. Except it didn't as far as I'm aware...but I take your point. Certain people on here helped spread false rumours founded by the far right, assume you'll be as critical of them also?It goes without saying. I'm not sure you're going to find anyone on this forum who would openly admit to being cool with spreading false-information that incites violence... Although to potentially be pedantic, if the rumour you're talking about is the initial one that the southport attack was a likely islamist attack (based on the false name) then; 1. It's transpired that it was started by a Pakistani in Pakistan (which leads to even more questions of motivation) 2. The motivation of the actual attacker still hasn't been released as far as I'm aware, so it may still have been another islamist attack in this country targeting primarily young women and girls. In fact, the authorities and MSM seem to be actively withholding this information, which makes it more likely that this is exactly what it was.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 28, 2024 11:16:29 GMT
I was uplifted by the reaction of the general public, not the political situation, I'm surprised you conflated the two. I didn't conflate the two. I wrote about how the counter-protests were heavily organised, and choreographed to the point of being an "exercise in state-sponsored gaslighting.". There were no midweek protests planned when all the counter-protesters took to the streets. It was orchestrated and manipulative. I said I was uplifted by the general publics reaction. You said there was no reason to be uplifted due to the political situation. They're different things.
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Aug 28, 2024 11:28:26 GMT
I didn't conflate the two. I wrote about how the counter-protests were heavily organised, and choreographed to the point of being an "exercise in state-sponsored gaslighting.". There were no midweek protests planned when all the counter-protesters took to the streets. It was orchestrated and manipulative. I said I was uplifted by the general publics reaction. You said there was no reason to be uplifted due to the political situation. They're different things. The general public as in the people who attended the counter-protests? If that's what you mean then they're not different things. I'm saying being uplifted by that is essentially celebrating a sort of pyrrhic victory.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 28, 2024 11:36:21 GMT
I said I was uplifted by the general publics reaction. You said there was no reason to be uplifted due to the political situation. They're different things. The general public as in the people who attended the counter-protests? If that's what you mean then they're not different things. I'm saying being uplifted by that is essentially celebrating a sort of pyrrhic victory. So I can't be uplifted by what I see as a genuine reaction in case it's political? Sorry, but if I see people helping clear up the mess left by looters and vandals and then see large numbers of people protesting against those looters and vandals I'm not going to pretend to be angry 🤷
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 28, 2024 12:14:30 GMT
So you think the authorities should just step aside and let it erupt? That's precisely why they did step in and crack down. There are people out there wanting to incite violence in support of a racist far right agenda - this is exactly what Musk was alluding to in his tweet about Britain on the edge of a civil war. Some of the people caught up in the violence weren't motivated by any political agenda - they were just morons out to cause trouble - but they did let themselves get sucked into something with a bigger agenda. You either choose to support the authorities in cracking down on politically motivated violence or you join those wanting to bring down the rule of law and acheive their political ends through violent means. Your call. I've made mine. Generations of powers and authorities have created the conditions in the western world where political violence and social unrest is an inevitability. We now find ourselves in a situation where, quite frankly, the best government in the world would have a hard time navigating the landscape in a manner that is going to provide satisfactory longterm solutions to the impossibly complex issues that have been brought to our societies against our consent. The current government have taken a hardline stance; so hardline in fact that they've massively overstepped the mark into unambiguous narrative manipulation and outright authoritarianism IMO. There are of course examples of pure thuggery that can never be tolerated; but also many cases of completely disproportionate sentences, and even examples of borderline political persecution for crimes of thought. And that isn't a recent trend btw; thought-policing has become a widespread tactic employed by the politically captured police forces in this country. That's a whole other complex issue in of itself, but it's of paramount concern to me. It's a tinderbox situation and, quite frankly, it's probably irrelevant how any of us plebs view the situation. Disharmony and civil-unrest is going to be an inevitable, growing feature of western civilisation now; and the most depressing part to me is that it feels like such an obvious outcome that I can't help but strongly suspect it's the desired one. That's not me relishing what's been happening and what I believe is to come btw. (before someone here decides to do a cathy newman-esque interpretation of my words) I'm gutted about it and hope I'm somehow completely wrong, and the people on this forum who write long posts extolling the virtues of our multi-cultural society are seeing things that I'm somehow unable to. But I suspect they're the ones with the blind-spot, and I suspect musk is right when he says we are facing a civilisational crisis that could feasibly lead to civil war. If you are right about western countries, including our own, being on the edge of civil war you have several choices: 1 Choose a side and engage in the war. 2 Sit on the sidelines and do nothing. 3 Support the police in maintaining the rule of law and resisting mob rule. I've chosen 3. And I believe the vast majority feel the same and support what the authorities are doing in order to maintain a civilised society. The people engaged in rioting and fermenting your civil war are wankers who would replace the rule of law with the a gangland culture based on violence and subservience to the biggest bully. If they succeed in fermenting a civil war 3 will have failed and 2 won't be an option. If it ever does come to option 1 I know which side I'm prepared to get out on the streets and fight for. And we will win. Again.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 28, 2024 12:55:09 GMT
Just jail the racist POS.
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Post by phileetin on Aug 28, 2024 15:26:20 GMT
Generations of powers and authorities have created the conditions in the western world where political violence and social unrest is an inevitability. We now find ourselves in a situation where, quite frankly, the best government in the world would have a hard time navigating the landscape in a manner that is going to provide satisfactory longterm solutions to the impossibly complex issues that have been brought to our societies against our consent. The current government have taken a hardline stance; so hardline in fact that they've massively overstepped the mark into unambiguous narrative manipulation and outright authoritarianism IMO. There are of course examples of pure thuggery that can never be tolerated; but also many cases of completely disproportionate sentences, and even examples of borderline political persecution for crimes of thought. And that isn't a recent trend btw; thought-policing has become a widespread tactic employed by the politically captured police forces in this country. That's a whole other complex issue in of itself, but it's of paramount concern to me. It's a tinderbox situation and, quite frankly, it's probably irrelevant how any of us plebs view the situation. Disharmony and civil-unrest is going to be an inevitable, growing feature of western civilisation now; and the most depressing part to me is that it feels like such an obvious outcome that I can't help but strongly suspect it's the desired one. That's not me relishing what's been happening and what I believe is to come btw. (before someone here decides to do a cathy newman-esque interpretation of my words) I'm gutted about it and hope I'm somehow completely wrong, and the people on this forum who write long posts extolling the virtues of our multi-cultural society are seeing things that I'm somehow unable to. But I suspect they're the ones with the blind-spot, and I suspect musk is right when he says we are facing a civilisational crisis that could feasibly lead to civil war. If you are right about western countries, including our own, being on the edge of civil war you have several choices: 1 Choose a side and engage in the war. 2 Sit on the sidelines and do nothing. 3 Support the police in maintaining the rule of law and resisting mob rule.I've chosen 3. And I believe the vast majority feel the same and support what the authorities are doing in order to maintain a civilised society. The people engaged in rioting and fermenting your civil war are wankers who would replace the rule of law with the a gangland culture based on violence and subservience to the biggest bully. If they succeed in fermenting a civil war 3 will have failed and 2 won't be an option. If it ever does come to option 1 I know which side I'm prepared to get out on the streets and fight for. And we will win. Again.
wasn't there criticism of the police role ie the two tier kier policing thing and then there were the manchester airport beatings .
i think if the criticisms are proved to be correct option 1 is going to prevail and elon musk will be proved right ?
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Post by knype on Aug 28, 2024 15:53:47 GMT
I notice that HNH don't mention the trouble in Middlesbrough in that article. Wouldn't have anything to do with Nick Lowles' false information about an acid attack on a Muslim woman would it? More often right than wrong Dave, and you know it. Should be jailed for false information and causing a riot. Lowlife scum he is
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 28, 2024 16:57:45 GMT
Just jail the racist POS. Without due process? Here, Starmer has a role for you 😉 😆
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Post by knype on Aug 28, 2024 18:44:41 GMT
That's a pretty huge thing to be wrong about. It's spreading a rumour that is likely to incite violence from a community that have no issues taking machetes to a fist fight. Except it didn't as far as I'm aware...but I take your point. Certain people on here helped spread false rumours founded by the far right, assume you'll be as critical of them also? Can you share them posts mate ? Did they reach as big an audience as that wanker Lowles ?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 28, 2024 19:07:24 GMT
Except it didn't as far as I'm aware...but I take your point. Certain people on here helped spread false rumours founded by the far right, assume you'll be as critical of them also? Can you share them posts mate ? Did they reach as big an audience as that wanker Lowles ? Look for them yourself.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 28, 2024 19:12:59 GMT
Can you share them posts mate ? Did they reach as big an audience as that wanker Lowles ? Look for them yourself. Can you pair stop flirting please.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 28, 2024 19:13:45 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 31, 2024 18:18:45 GMT
apple.news/AMjODeqwwQh6y-nZp40Z4QQRIP to them both. Notting Hill seriously needs reviewing. 2 lives taken is 2 to many. How the press and govt / mayor can say it went by relatively peacefully I’ll never know. 2 murders of innocent people is not peaceful for me.
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