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Aug 26, 2024 8:07:18 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 26, 2024 8:07:18 GMT
It’s a big difference when terrorists are been imported though, argue forever on here about it, but who are these peolpe that are crossing the channel? That’s what concerns me Most terrorists in the UK are from here or have not come here through unlawful routes. But you raise a good point and that is why we need a proper processing system.
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Aug 26, 2024 8:17:37 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 26, 2024 8:17:37 GMT
I’d cancel it. It’s not worth the carnage every year. I’m sure there’s plenty of positives to it but there’s just too much crime and violence. I went for years. Never encountered any crime. Just loads of people having a great time. My brother lost his wallet during the carnival and called his credit card companies etc. we spoke to local police who were there and they logged it. The next day he got a call from a local police station. It had been handed in with the cash and cards all still there! Extraordinary. There is obviously crime every year, as there is with almost every event ever where there are that many people gathering for a party. It doesn’t mean it should be cancelled. Imagine if that attitude was taken with football! Interesting how we’ve had different experiences. I’ve been 2/3 times (not by choice) and have seen numerous fights breaking out as well as robberies and sexual assaults being reported. I get your argument around football but it’s generally better managed nowadays and I don’t remember many if any stabbings over the last few years as actions have been taken with banning orders etc. It’s a lot easier to manage something that’s enclosed too. In the past two years, there have been more than 500 arrests at the Notting Hill Carnival as well as 15 stabbings including one death, and more than 125 police officers have been assaulted. Clearly it’s getting worse.
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Aug 26, 2024 8:39:44 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 26, 2024 8:39:44 GMT
I went for years. Never encountered any crime. Just loads of people having a great time. My brother lost his wallet during the carnival and called his credit card companies etc. we spoke to local police who were there and they logged it. The next day he got a call from a local police station. It had been handed in with the cash and cards all still there! Extraordinary. There is obviously crime every year, as there is with almost every event ever where there are that many people gathering for a party. It doesn’t mean it should be cancelled. Imagine if that attitude was taken with football! Interesting how we’ve had different experiences. I’ve been 2/3 times (not by choice) and have seen numerous fights breaking out as well as robberies and sexual assaults being reported. I get your argument around football but it’s generally better managed nowadays and I don’t remember many if any stabbings over the last few years as actions have been taken with banning orders etc. It’s a lot easier to manage something that’s enclosed too. In the past two years, there have been more than 500 arrests at the Notting Hill Carnival as well as 15 stabbings including one death, and more than 125 police officers have been assaulted. Clearly it’s getting worse. Wow, those are terrible stats! I haven’t been for about a decade so maybe it has just got a lot worse! I also wonder if those crimes, particularly the violent ones, happen during the actual carnival during the day, or do they happen at after parties? The thing ends pretty early if I recall, and I expect when it starts getting dark is when the problems occur. I’m not sure how you police it better than they do now.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 26, 2024 8:49:05 GMT
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Aug 26, 2024 8:52:46 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 26, 2024 8:52:46 GMT
Interesting how we’ve had different experiences. I’ve been 2/3 times (not by choice) and have seen numerous fights breaking out as well as robberies and sexual assaults being reported. I get your argument around football but it’s generally better managed nowadays and I don’t remember many if any stabbings over the last few years as actions have been taken with banning orders etc. It’s a lot easier to manage something that’s enclosed too. In the past two years, there have been more than 500 arrests at the Notting Hill Carnival as well as 15 stabbings including one death, and more than 125 police officers have been assaulted. Clearly it’s getting worse. Wow, those are terrible stats! I haven’t been for about a decade so maybe it has just got a lot worse! I also wonder if those crimes, particularly the violent ones, happen during the actual carnival during the day, or do they happen at after parties? The thing ends pretty early if I recall, and I expect when it starts getting dark is when the problems occur. I’m not sure how you police it better than they do now. Not sure but I’d imagine it’s all linked. It’s a ridiculous figure and is a reflection on what is a more violent society. At the very least the powers that be need to look at the way it’s run and why it’s got worse rather than bury their heads in the sand.
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Aug 26, 2024 8:57:08 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 26, 2024 8:57:08 GMT
To be fair I’d imagine there’s a lot of turning a blind eye on less serious offences as well as not all crimes being reported due to the very high numbers of those attending. Very much a case of damage limitation for the police at the carnival. I doubt they’ll be dealing with thefts and damage and only attending robberies, stabbings and violence. I’d suggest that figure isn’t a true reflection of the day.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 26, 2024 8:59:39 GMT
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Aug 26, 2024 9:14:40 GMT
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Post by milton58 on Aug 26, 2024 9:14:40 GMT
I’d cancel it. It’s not worth the carnage every year. I’m sure there’s plenty of positives to it but there’s just too much crime and violence. I went for years. Never encountered any crime. Just loads of people having a great time. My brother lost his wallet during the carnival and called his credit card companies etc. we spoke to local police who were there and they logged it. The next day he got a call from a local police station. It had been handed in with the cash and cards all still there! Extraordinary. There is obviously crime every year, as there is with almost every event ever where there are that many people gathering for a party. It doesn’t mean it should be cancelled. Imagine if that attitude was taken with football! problem is over the last 10 years crime as just got worse year on year...
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 26, 2024 9:19:05 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 26, 2024 9:35:12 GMT
I went for years. Never encountered any crime. Just loads of people having a great time. My brother lost his wallet during the carnival and called his credit card companies etc. we spoke to local police who were there and they logged it. The next day he got a call from a local police station. It had been handed in with the cash and cards all still there! Extraordinary. There is obviously crime every year, as there is with almost every event ever where there are that many people gathering for a party. It doesn’t mean it should be cancelled. Imagine if that attitude was taken with football! problem is over the last 10 years crime as just got worse year on year... At the carnival that seems true. Not sure if that is true across the board. But then we have seen the defunding of our police and criminal justice system over that time, so I guess we would expect crime and law and order to have deteriorated over that time.
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Post by knype on Aug 26, 2024 13:04:11 GMT
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Aug 26, 2024 16:11:11 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 26, 2024 16:11:11 GMT
His assessment nails it. As someone who’s policed the carnival it’s a good assessment.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Aug 26, 2024 17:54:25 GMT
His assessment nails it. As someone who’s policed the carnival it’s a good assessment. Notting Hill was my nick, doing the carnival was always a 'challenge'.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 26, 2024 17:57:24 GMT
His assessment nails it. As someone who’s policed the carnival it’s a good assessment. Notting Hill was my nick, doing the carnival was always a 'challenge'. I’ll bet. Full respect to you mate.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 26, 2024 18:30:43 GMT
According to this site lordslibrary.parliament.uk/trends-in-violent-crime/ violent crime in the UK peaked in 1995 and has declined since. The big difference appears to be perceptions of risk - reading posts on here you would think the risks are far greater of being a victim of violent crime now than 30 years ago when in fact they are quite a bit less. Social media usage over that period has escalated massively and there are vested interests out there using social media to instill fear for political ends - this thread is a case in point. Terrorists of whatever persuasion use violence to make people frightened of the everyday - spreading the perception that the world is an increasingly dangerous place serves the same end. People can choose to be fearful or refuse to be bent out of shape by those using fear as a weapon. We all have to face that choice and I'm not going to live my life crapping myself in front of a dodgy social media feed. But each to their own.
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Aug 26, 2024 18:40:25 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 26, 2024 18:40:25 GMT
According to this site lordslibrary.parliament.uk/trends-in-violent-crime/ violent crime in the UK peaked in 1995 and has declined since. The big difference appears to be perceptions of risk - reading posts on here you would think the risks are far greater of being a victim of violent crime now than 30 years ago when in fact they are quite a bit less. Social media usage over that period has escalated massively and there are vested interests out there using social media to instill fear for political ends - this thread is a case in point. Terrorists of whatever persuasion use violence to make people frightened of the everyday - spreading the perception that the world is an increasingly dangerous place serves the same end. People can choose to be fearful or refuse to be bent out of shape by those using fear as a weapon. We all have to face that choice and I'm not going to live my life crapping myself in front of a dodgy social media feed. But each to their own. www.statista.com/statistics/288256/violent-crimes-in-england-and-wales/
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Post by desman2 on Aug 26, 2024 19:34:14 GMT
I bet those who were stabbed were " unaware " of it. Some of the twitterati really don't realise how dumb they really are.
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Aug 26, 2024 21:53:54 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 26, 2024 21:53:54 GMT
Ah, different demographic though ...
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Aug 26, 2024 22:35:04 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 26, 2024 22:35:04 GMT
Ah, different demographic though ... One bite after 12 hours, mission unaccomplished
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Aug 26, 2024 23:17:18 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 26, 2024 23:17:18 GMT
Ah, different demographic though ... One bite after 12 hours, mission unaccomplished But nevertheless true ...
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Aug 26, 2024 23:25:00 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 26, 2024 23:25:00 GMT
One bite after 12 hours, mission unaccomplished But nevertheless true ... I do apologise, I was under the impression this thread was about stabbing, hence the thread title. But yeh, free speech and all that👍🏻
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Aug 26, 2024 23:27:18 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 26, 2024 23:27:18 GMT
But nevertheless true ... I do apologise, I was under the impression this thread was about stabbing, hence the thread title. But yeh, free speech and all that👍🏻 If you, be it ignorantly or willfully don't understand the point SB is making, then that is hardly my fault.
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Aug 26, 2024 23:28:06 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 26, 2024 23:28:06 GMT
I do apologise, I was under the impression this thread was about stabbing, hence the thread title. But yeh, free speech and all that👍🏻 If you, be it ignorantly or willfully don't understand the point SB is making, then that is hardly my fault. Its whataboutery. Simples👍🏻
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Aug 26, 2024 23:31:10 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 26, 2024 23:31:10 GMT
If you, be it ignorantly or willfully don't understand the point SB is making, then that is hardly my fault. Its whataboutery. Simples👍🏻 We'll go with willfully then ...
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 27, 2024 6:21:11 GMT
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Aug 27, 2024 6:23:58 GMT
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 27, 2024 6:23:58 GMT
How do you get tickets for 2025. Sounds great. Let's see if anyone gets fastracked through the courts today.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 27, 2024 7:06:13 GMT
A total of 56 people were questioned on suspicion of drugs supply offences and several dealers were handed lengthy prison sentences. And now shock new figures reveal that just FOUR out of more than 100 reported sexual offences at Reading and Leeds since 2018 have so far resulted in prosecutions. The figures include 16 reported rapes of women at Leeds festival between 2018 and 2023, none of which have so far led to a prosecution. From the report very little mentioned re stabbings or violence. Mainly around drugs offences. In respect to the sexual offences clearly very serious but not much information given around them so it’s hard to know whether the allegations were genuine (I’m sure some were) but they need a little more context.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 27, 2024 8:10:03 GMT
A total of 56 people were questioned on suspicion of drugs supply offences and several dealers were handed lengthy prison sentences. And now shock new figures reveal that just FOUR out of more than 100 reported sexual offences at Reading and Leeds since 2018 have so far resulted in prosecutions. The figures include 16 reported rapes of women at Leeds festival between 2018 and 2023, none of which have so far led to a prosecution. From the report very little mentioned re stabbings or violence. Mainly around drugs offences. In respect to the sexual offences clearly very serious but not much information given around them so it’s hard to know whether the allegations were genuine (I’m sure some were) but they need a little more context. I think the point there is that you (and many others) don't seem to regard sexual offences as violence. www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/aug/17/appalling-conviction-rate-for-over-100-sexual-offences-at-leeds-and-reading-festivals#:~:text=Ten%20of%20the%20arrests%20at,increase%20in%20arrests%20at%20Leeds. 16 rapes is appalling but no-one seems particularly bothered about that at a predominantly white middle class 'festival' whereas there seems to be a constituency that was just dying for a London multi-cultural street event to kick off. Is one worse than the other? I've no idea and I don't know what metric you would use to decide either. But one certainly gets more scrutiny than the other.
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Aug 27, 2024 8:13:50 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 27, 2024 8:13:50 GMT
According to this site lordslibrary.parliament.uk/trends-in-violent-crime/ violent crime in the UK peaked in 1995 and has declined since. The big difference appears to be perceptions of risk - reading posts on here you would think the risks are far greater of being a victim of violent crime now than 30 years ago when in fact they are quite a bit less. Social media usage over that period has escalated massively and there are vested interests out there using social media to instill fear for political ends - this thread is a case in point. Terrorists of whatever persuasion use violence to make people frightened of the everyday - spreading the perception that the world is an increasingly dangerous place serves the same end. People can choose to be fearful or refuse to be bent out of shape by those using fear as a weapon. We all have to face that choice and I'm not going to live my life crapping myself in front of a dodgy social media feed. But each to their own. www.statista.com/statistics/288256/violent-crimes-in-england-and-wales/According to section 5 of this report the reason for the increase in reported violent crime is because of changes in police reporting procedures. Incidents of actual physical harm peaked in 1995 and has been going down since.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 27, 2024 8:48:29 GMT
A total of 56 people were questioned on suspicion of drugs supply offences and several dealers were handed lengthy prison sentences. And now shock new figures reveal that just FOUR out of more than 100 reported sexual offences at Reading and Leeds since 2018 have so far resulted in prosecutions. The figures include 16 reported rapes of women at Leeds festival between 2018 and 2023, none of which have so far led to a prosecution. From the report very little mentioned re stabbings or violence. Mainly around drugs offences. In respect to the sexual offences clearly very serious but not much information given around them so it’s hard to know whether the allegations were genuine (I’m sure some were) but they need a little more context. I think the point there is that you (and many others) don't seem to regard sexual offences as violence. www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/aug/17/appalling-conviction-rate-for-over-100-sexual-offences-at-leeds-and-reading-festivals#:~:text=Ten%20of%20the%20arrests%20at,increase%20in%20arrests%20at%20Leeds. 16 rapes is appalling but no-one seems particularly bothered about that at a predominantly white middle class 'festival' whereas there seems to be a constituency that was just dying for a London multi-cultural street event to kick off. Is one worse than the other? I've no idea and I don't know what metric you would use to decide either. But one certainly gets more scrutiny than the other. “I think the point there is that you (and many others) don't seem to regard sexual offences as violence.” With respect to that comment I find it extremely offensive. Rape is an incredibly serious offence and can ruin the victims life for ever so I’d rather you didn’t judge me around what I think when you don’t know anything about me. Moving on though what I would say is when the figures refer to “sexual offences” they can also cover indecent exposure and tapping someone on the bum (or grinding against someone without their permission that has been shown in various videos at Notting Hill) and does not always necessarily refer to the most erupts offence which is rape which is why they need closer scrutiny as do the reports / allegations. As has been shown in a number of cases in the past where suspects have had malicious allegations quashed so the figures aren’t necessarily as high as they may appear particularly as they are only allegations. Rape is a truly awful thing to happen to anyone but is an offence where often the incident has no witnesses bar those involved so very difficult to know exactly what happened so is a lot less difficult to prove it happened (doesn’t mean it did or didn’t). If found guilty those responsible should have the key chucked away. In respect to the offence I do think part of what you’re saying is right in respect to there being less shock or disgust re those found guilty of the offence than what there used to be. That needs to change.
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