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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 26, 2020 16:42:28 GMT
In Norway they allow 200 persons inside the stadiums to watch the games. They have to keep a one metre distance of course. Hopefully we'll soon see 500, but in Norway we are opening up very slowly. Only 249 people have died because of the virus so far, so it's hard to accuse the authorities of having failed so far really.
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Post by leicspotter on Jun 26, 2020 16:52:54 GMT
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 26, 2020 17:25:59 GMT
Limited capacity means limited tickets - unlucky.
First come first served. If you've brought a ST* then fair play, you'll get in. We'll do well to sell 10K.
*if they're even selling them.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 26, 2020 17:56:57 GMT
The only fair way to do it, is to put all the allocated tickets up for auction for each match.
Whoever bids the highest, gets the tickets, then there will be no arguments.
We're all in or we're all not.
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Post by Pugsley on Jun 26, 2020 18:07:41 GMT
The only fair way to do it, is to put all the allocated tickets up for auction for each match. Whoever bids the highest, gets the tickets, then there will be no arguments. We're all in or we're all not. Not really that fair is it? The more well off can bid more. Have we started to sell ST?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 26, 2020 18:09:29 GMT
Absolutely. Matchday revenue is crucial to the survival of so many clubs that people are going to have to put their idealism to one side and look at the bigger picture. If I can go to one match but have to watch the next two on the TV, so other people can go and the club can get revenue in, then so be it. We're not going to go from empty stadium one week to 25,000 in the next; people need to realise that. Fair enough, but good luck to the poor bastards who have to allocate who can attend which games and who'll face the inevitable torrent of abuse when it doesn't meet individuals' requirements. Exactly Dave. Not only are you going to piss off massive swathes of supporters who don't feel the criteria is fair but also you're going to have to start reimbursing some people for games and not reimbursing others for other games, it will be an administrative nightmare.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 26, 2020 18:18:22 GMT
The only fair way to do it, is to put all the allocated tickets up for auction for each match. Whoever bids the highest, gets the tickets, then there will be no arguments. We're all in or we're all not. Not really that fair is it?Β The more well off can bid more. Have we started to sell ST? I thought it was clear that I wasn't being serious Pugs, I was sarcasticly trying to demonstrate that WHATEVER criteria is used, isn't going to be fair.
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Post by pottersrule on Jun 26, 2020 18:24:07 GMT
I don't like the away day idea. Lots of people, myself included, cannot afford away games after paying out for a Season Ticket. I just choose to put all of my available budget to the club in the form of a number of Season Tickets in the family and a few replica shirts each season. I'm not ashamed to admit that. Personally I think first choice should be to local NHS, front line and private care home staff as a free treat for some down time after what they've been through recently. After that, it should be a lucky dip. I know for a fact,whatever they do,some on here will use it as a stick to beat the club with.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 26, 2020 18:25:40 GMT
Assuming it is allowed it is only really an issue once we know how many are allowed. If it is 50% capacity to allow every other seat to be empty then I don't see it as a problem. No away fans plus some people who would be entitled (eg ST) not wanting to go for health reasons would mean that most people who wanted a ticket would get one.
However if it was say 4000 - ie no more than 1000 in each stand then it would be an issue.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 26, 2020 18:29:39 GMT
Assuming it is allowed it is only really an issue once we know how many are allowed. If it is 50% capacity to allow every other seat to be empty then I don't see it as a problem. No away fans plus some people who would be entitled (eg ST) not wanting to go for health reasons would mean that most people who wanted a ticket would get one. However if it was say 4000 - ie no more than 1000 in each stand then it would be an issue. Could do every other seat πππ
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 26, 2020 18:32:48 GMT
Assuming it is allowed it is only really an issue once we know how many are allowed. If it is 50% capacity to allow every other seat to be empty then I don't see it as a problem. No away fans plus some people who would be entitled (eg ST) not wanting to go for health reasons would mean that most people who wanted a ticket would get one. However if it was say 4000 - ie no more than 1000 in each stand then it would be an issue. It wouldn't be just every other seat either side though would it? It'd have to be every seat in front and behind too? Whitty has said lots of times, that transmission is much less when sat side to side, than it is when sat front to back. And even if you could make it work scientifically, then how do you actually police it, if groups of people simply sat together?
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Post by tejstokie on Jun 26, 2020 18:44:59 GMT
I think if folks keep their space they should be able to have a few thousand, show up at different times etc. They can make it happen just need to plan it all out.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 26, 2020 18:47:18 GMT
Assuming it is allowed it is only really an issue once we know how many are allowed. If it is 50% capacity to allow every other seat to be empty then I don't see it as a problem. No away fans plus some people who would be entitled (eg ST) not wanting to go for health reasons would mean that most people who wanted a ticket would get one. However if it was say 4000 - ie no more than 1000 in each stand then it would be an issue. It wouldn't be just every other seat either side though would it? It'd have to be every seat in front and behind too? Whitty has said lots of times, that transmission is much less when sat side to side, than it is when sat front to back. And even if you could make it work scientifically, then how do you actually police it, if groups of people simply sat together? Household groups could sit together so it wouldn't need to be every other seat. On that basis we might get away with around 60% capacity.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 26, 2020 18:52:22 GMT
It wouldn't be just every other seat either side though would it? It'd have to be every seat in front and behind too? Whitty has said lots of times, that transmission is much less when sat side to side, than it is when sat front to back. And even if you could make it work scientifically, then how do you actually police it, if groups of people simply sat together? Household groups could sit together so it wouldn't need to be every other seat. On that basis we might get away with around 60% capacity. Yeah and of course we're going to check everybody's identity on entry, to ensure that those people actually are a member of that household group ...
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 26, 2020 18:53:59 GMT
Assuming it is allowed it is only really an issue once we know how many are allowed. If it is 50% capacity to allow every other seat to be empty then I don't see it as a problem. No away fans plus some people who would be entitled (eg ST) not wanting to go for health reasons would mean that most people who wanted a ticket would get one. However if it was say 4000 - ie no more than 1000 in each stand then it would be an issue. It wouldn't be just every other seat either side though would it? It'd have to be every seat in front and behind too? Whitty has said lots of times, that transmission is much less when sat side to side, than it is when sat front to back. And even if you could make it work scientifically, then how do you actually police it, if groups of people simply sat together? Alternative seats? Otherwise it's 7,500 - which would probably still be ok for League 1!!! However your final point is the more salient. Tell football fans who've just come out of the pub to sit down and they don't - we know that. Nor are they any more likely not to sit together, not to shout or sing (which propels droplets further) and not to gather in the concourses.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jun 26, 2020 19:25:26 GMT
Absolutely. Matchday revenue is crucial to the survival of so many clubs that people are going to have to put their idealism to one side and look at the bigger picture. If I can go to one match but have to watch the next two on the TV, so other people can go and the club can get revenue in, then so be it. We're not going to go from empty stadium one week to 25,000 in the next; people need to realise that. Fair enough, but good luck to the poor bastards who have to allocate who can attend which games and who'll face the inevitable torrent of abuse when it doesn't meet individuals' requirements. Yeah, thankless task that one. They'll need to think it through, but whatever they come up with isn't going to please everybody. Let's face it though, the club could put on a limo, provide padded seats and a half-time handjob and some of our fans would still moan, so God help them with something like this!
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Post by cotswoldstokie on Jun 26, 2020 20:17:29 GMT
In Hungary they are allowing season ticket holders and a few away fans in (don't know how the away teams organises that) and capped at 5,000. The French are also going back with 5,000 capacity crowds.
I know many would go whatever (I for eg am driving up from Gloucestershire tomorrow to watch the game on stream) I know this is bordering on madness but I'm keen. How many others would def want to go when we are allowed to go? I think some would stay at home - if they are in a high risk category. This would help to thin out the crowd. Not allowing away fans would reduce that further and make it easier to police (but I ma not a fan of an away ban) These are strange times, and without a vaccine People will continue to die, but clubs (particularly League one and below need supporters' cash) not sure how they will square this circle to start the season with fans in September?
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jun 26, 2020 20:44:39 GMT
In Hungary they are allowing season ticket holders and a few away fans in (don't know how the away teams organises that) and capped at 5,000. The French are also going back with 5,000 capacity crowds. I know many would go whatever (I for eg am driving up from Gloucestershire tomorrow to watch the game on stream) I know this is bordering on madness but I'm keen. How many others would def want to go when we are allowed to go? I think some would stay at home - if they are in a high risk category. This would help to thin out the crowd. Not allowing away fans would reduce that further and make it easier to police (but I ma not a fan of an away ban) These are strange times, and without a vaccine People will continue to die, but clubs (particularly League one and below need supporters' cash) not sure how they will square this circle to start the season with fans in September? You are mental! π Great support though fella π
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 20:48:38 GMT
I would imagine corporate fans would be allowed back in and rightly so with the pub laws being relaxed
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Post by proudstokie on Jun 26, 2020 20:55:45 GMT
Shit idea! All or nothing! Who can possibly decide who is more worthy than anybody else. And as for a rota, defies the point of it all really! Sounds like a shift pattern at JCB, not enjoyment!
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 26, 2020 21:50:34 GMT
Shit idea! All or nothing! Who can possibly decide who is more worthy than anybody else. And as for a rota, defies the point of it all really! Sounds like a shift pattern at JCB, not enjoyment! Nobody's going to force you to particpate. There'd be no shortage of people who do want to.
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Post by pottersrule on Jun 26, 2020 22:37:28 GMT
Must admit I'm in the 'all or nothing' camp - potentially with reduced overall capacity (say 15- 20,000 spread across the four stands and no away support)not so much because of the stands but the bottlenecks around concourses etc. The danger with 'prioritising' a smaller group of supporters is that it may well alienate those outside that group who feel hard done by and may choose to not go back when everything is back to normal. Which wouldn't be good for the club. Our mate would need the whole of Block 15 to socially distance.Imagine the fuss if he wasn't one of the chosen few!
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Post by robwahlmann on Jun 27, 2020 7:33:15 GMT
In Hungary they are allowing season ticket holders and a few away fans in (don't know how the away teams organises that) and capped at 5,000. The French are also going back with 5,000 capacity crowds. I know many would go whatever (I for eg am driving up from Gloucestershire tomorrow to watch the game on stream) I know this is bordering on madness but I'm keen. How many others would def want to go when we are allowed to go? I think some would stay at home - if they are in a high risk category. This would help to thin out the crowd. Not allowing away fans would reduce that further and make it easier to police (but I ma not a fan of an away ban) These are strange times, and without a vaccine People will continue to die, but clubs (particularly League one and below need supporters' cash) not sure how they will square this circle to start the season with fans in September? This is a strange one, but because of all the precautions taken because of the coronavirus, less people have died in Norway than normal in the corana pandemic period! A strange fact actually I think!
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 27, 2020 7:46:05 GMT
Assuming it is allowed it is only really an issue once we know how many are allowed. If it is 50% capacity to allow every other seat to be empty then I don't see it as a problem. No away fans plus some people who would be entitled (eg ST) not wanting to go for health reasons would mean that most people who wanted a ticket would get one. However if it was say 4000 - ie no more than 1000 in each stand then it would be an issue. Could do every other seat πππ Every other seat where are Vale going to find a couple of thousand fans from
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Post by andystokey on Jun 27, 2020 8:02:15 GMT
Assuming it is allowed it is only really an issue once we know how many are allowed. If it is 50% capacity to allow every other seat to be empty then I don't see it as a problem. No away fans plus some people who would be entitled (eg ST) not wanting to go for health reasons would mean that most people who wanted a ticket would get one. However if it was say 4000 - ie no more than 1000 in each stand then it would be an issue. Surely the seating is the smallest part of the problem. The bottlenecks are a nightmare. Even if the concourse is closed for food and drink the scrum in the Boothen bogs would be impossible. Even if they close them dickheads will be pissing everywhere like at the Vic. As for the queue into the ground at even 1m distance it will be all the way to Sideway. The arguments that would ensue between our own supporters queue jumping, pissing everywhere etc. would make it a thoroughly unpleasant experience all around especially for our more vulnerable fans.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 27, 2020 8:14:03 GMT
Must admit I'm in the 'all or nothing' camp - potentially with reduced overall capacity (say 15- 20,000 spread across the four stands and no away support)not so much because of the stands but the bottlenecks around concourses etc. The danger with 'prioritising' a smaller group of supporters is that it may well alienate those outside that group who feel hard done by and may choose to not go back when everything is back to normal. Which wouldn't be good for the club. Our mate would need the whole of Block 15 to socially distance.Imagine the fuss if he wasn't one of the chosen few! encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcStJXFPuu3DISK4BADT3sJ2BLgVIsP9qVfzA8D6YcdtnA&s
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Post by mattador78 on Jun 27, 2020 8:41:58 GMT
1 in all in we all want go back and no amount of dick measuring or lottery makes one fan deserve go over another. Letβs face it we all want back in
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 27, 2020 8:52:47 GMT
Assuming it is allowed it is only really an issue once we know how many are allowed. If it is 50% capacity to allow every other seat to be empty then I don't see it as a problem. No away fans plus some people who would be entitled (eg ST) not wanting to go for health reasons would mean that most people who wanted a ticket would get one. However if it was say 4000 - ie no more than 1000 in each stand then it would be an issue. Could do every other seat πππ I only get half the fucking seat I pay for in a normal season.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 27, 2020 8:55:47 GMT
Must admit I'm in the 'all or nothing' camp - potentially with reduced overall capacity (say 15- 20,000 spread across the four stands and no away support)not so much because of the stands but the bottlenecks around concourses etc. The danger with 'prioritising' a smaller group of supporters is that it may well alienate those outside that group who feel hard done by and may choose to not go back when everything is back to normal. Which wouldn't be good for the club. Our mate would need the whole of Block 15 to socially distance.Imagine the fuss if he wasn't one of the chosen few! He'll be one of the 'chosen few' - don't you worry about that. I mean why would you bar someone who could single handedly put the stadium catering back in profit?
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Post by thestatusquo on Jun 27, 2020 8:58:39 GMT
Hereβs an idea. Half the crowd get to watch the first 45 minutes and the other half get to watch the second 45. As weβve struggled to put a decent 90 minutes in it might work out ok for those lucky enough to get the best half π€ͺ
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