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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 9:39:46 GMT
I noticed this article in the Sentinel, and that our Chairman is backing plans to start allowing a limited number of people back into stadiums at some stage in the future How is this going to be done do we think? Random numbers out of a hat, lucky dip? Take it in turns? Alphabetical ordering by names? ange1 Sorry to lump you into another potential issue here but have you had any dialogue with the club on this potential matter and if not, is it worth starting that dialogue now? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-peter-coates-middlesbrough-reading-4264333 |
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Post by flea79 on Jun 26, 2020 9:41:23 GMT
I noticed this article in the Sentinel, and that our Chairman is backing plans to start allowing a limited number of people back into stadiums at some stage in the future How is this going to be done do we think? Random numbers out of a hat, lucky dip? Take it in turns? Alphabetical ordering by names? ange1 Sorry to lump you into another potential issue here but have you had any dialogue with the club on this potential matter and if not, is it worth starting that dialogue now? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-peter-coates-middlesbrough-reading-4264333either we all allowed in or nobody should be, it will cause too many issues, the black market for tickets would be enormous |
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Post by Uncle cheese on Jun 26, 2020 10:26:45 GMT
I noticed this article in the Sentinel, and that our Chairman is backing plans to start allowing a limited number of people back into stadiums at some stage in the future How is this going to be done do we think? Random numbers out of a hat, lucky dip? Take it in turns? Alphabetical ordering by names? ange1 Sorry to lump you into another potential issue here but have you had any dialogue with the club on this potential matter and if not, is it worth starting that dialogue now? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-peter-coates-middlesbrough-reading-4264333either we all allowed in or nobody should be, it will cause too many issues, the black market for tickets would be enormous To watch Stoke? As bad as we are? You’ll be classed as one of the lucky ones if you miss out on a ticket |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 11:31:57 GMT
Some might not back this but for me, away points should be considered.
I absolutely understand that some don't have the circumstances to travel away, but those that do travel the country every other week do deserve some sort 'priority'.
Some recognition for the elderly who've been with the club for x amount of years?
I'm not sure how else it could be done?
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Post by lordb on Jun 26, 2020 11:34:08 GMT
Would a limited number of away fans be allowed in as well?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 26, 2020 11:45:26 GMT
Some might not back this but for me, away points should be considered. I absolutely understand that some don't have the circumstances to travel away, but those that do travel the country every other week do deserve some sort 'priority'. Some recognition for the elderly who've been with the club for x amount of years? I'm not sure how else it could be done? Difficulty in that is there’s several people for whom a home game is practically an away day. I leave the house at 10:30 on Saturday and don’t get in generally until about 9 and have all associated travel costs. They could piss a lot of people off with the phrasing. If they do it at all, I think it should be randomised in some way and if you are picked once you can’t go to the game immediately after or something. Or priority points lets you have some kind of first refusal for a game of your choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 11:49:40 GMT
I don't like the away day idea. Lots of people, myself included, cannot afford away games after paying out for a Season Ticket.
I just choose to put all of my available budget to the club in the form of a number of Season Tickets in the family and a few replica shirts each season.
I'm not ashamed to admit that.
Personally I think first choice should be to local NHS, front line and private care home staff as a free treat for some down time after what they've been through recently.
After that, it should be a lucky dip.
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Post by ange1 on Jun 26, 2020 11:59:58 GMT
Onlooker, we are talking with the club on this matter. I can confirm it is very early days and when we get any indication of the way forward we will communicate it to all fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 12:05:47 GMT
Some might not back this but for me, away points should be considered. I absolutely understand that some don't have the circumstances to travel away, but those that do travel the country every other week do deserve some sort 'priority'. Some recognition for the elderly who've been with the club for x amount of years? I'm not sure how else it could be done? Difficulty in that is there’s several people for whom a home game is practically an away day. I leave the house at 10:30 on Saturday and don’t get in generally until about 9 and have all associated travel costs. They could piss a lot of people off with the phrasing. If they do it at all, I think it should be randomised in some way and if you are picked once you can’t go to the game immediately after or something. Or priority points lets you have some kind of first refusal for a game of your choice. There is, I appreciate that. I know that there are some who haven't missed a single game in going on 10-15 years, to randomise completely would be somewhat unfair on those. There won't be a solution that is good by all, that's pretty much a given, so it's not an easy one. I like the idea you mention that such priority points give you a first refusal etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 12:08:25 GMT
I don't like the away day idea. Lots of people, myself included, cannot afford away games after paying out for a Season Ticket. I just choose to put all of my available budget to the club in the form of a number of Season Tickets in the family and a few replica shirts each season. I'm not ashamed to admit that. Personally I think first choice should be to local NHS, front line and private care home staff as a free treat for some down time after what they've been through recently. After that, it should be a lucky dip. I also understand that. Fully appreciated. It's where do you draw the line with NHS etc. I'm sure there are countless key workers on here who aren't NHS but have been in work and having to risk travel and infection. There's also many who may have been furloughed or even laid off and are losing there mind mentally and this break or opportunity would be huge for them. I don't think you can do it based on profession. |
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Post by stiggerstackle on Jun 26, 2020 12:12:10 GMT
Jesus Hates Christ, the decision making process behind who gets to attend and who doesn't will take more drafting than the Treaty of Versailles.
Still, the Oatie has proved itself over the years to be a formidably amicable force for good under such circumstances, and generally laughs in the face of divisive topics in a spirit united respect and fraternalism.
Winky thing?
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Post by Davef on Jun 26, 2020 12:16:12 GMT
It should be either all back or no one back.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 12:21:10 GMT
Some might not back this but for me, away points should be considered. I absolutely understand that some don't have the circumstances to travel away, but those that do travel the country every other week do deserve some sort 'priority'. Some recognition for the elderly who've been with the club for x amount of years? I'm not sure how else it could be done? I’ll get my tape measure out shall I? |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 26, 2020 12:40:10 GMT
Some might not back this but for me, away points should be considered. I absolutely understand that some don't have the circumstances to travel away, but those that do travel the country every other week do deserve some sort 'priority'. Some recognition for the elderly who've been with the club for x amount of years? I'm not sure how else it could be done? I take it you go to a lot of away games then? |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 26, 2020 12:46:10 GMT
Must admit I'm in the 'all or nothing' camp - potentially with reduced overall capacity (say 15- 20,000 spread across the four stands and no away support)not so much because of the stands but the bottlenecks around concourses etc.
The danger with 'prioritising' a smaller group of supporters is that it may well alienate those outside that group who feel hard done by and may choose to not go back when everything is back to normal. Which wouldn't be good for the club.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 26, 2020 12:48:18 GMT
I would hazard a guess that we'd start next season with less than 15,000 season ticket holders.
With a 30k capacity stadium, surely we could half fill the stadium, safely, with season ticket holders and no away fans?
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Post by macarisredarmy on Jun 26, 2020 12:50:41 GMT
Some might not back this but for me, away points should be considered. I absolutely understand that some don't have the circumstances to travel away, but those that do travel the country every other week do deserve some sort 'priority'. Some recognition for the elderly who've been with the club for x amount of years? I'm not sure how else it could be done? Allowing the elderly would probably mean some folk (quite rightly if they need it) helping them to get to the match safely and making their way home again, to pick them up later - probably missing any match coverage themselves.
I think that an incentive scheme for ST holders to get some kind of reduced-cost streaming would be good. We would be there at the ground if we could be!
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 26, 2020 13:08:13 GMT
I don't like the away day idea. Lots of people, myself included, cannot afford away games after paying out for a Season Ticket. I just choose to put all of my available budget to the club in the form of a number of Season Tickets in the family and a few replica shirts each season. I'm not ashamed to admit that. Personally I think first choice should be to local NHS, front line and private care home staff as a free treat for some down time after what they've been through recently. After that, it should be a lucky dip. I couldn't disagree more with your local NHS, front line, private care home staff treat. These people are simply doing their job. A good job and an important job, but doing their job all the same. Lots of people have worked throughout the pandemic, many under huge corporate pressure to maintain revenue streams and ensure people have a job to return to. Do they get a little treat as well? You work in the NHS knowing that you might have to care for people with contagious diseases, just like if you join the army, you know you might have to go to war one day. I'm with DaveF. We all go back or no-one goes back and as with everything in football, season ticket holders should have any priority that exists. In the current climate, those season ticket holders that purchased pre-shutdown should perhaps get priority over those who will purchase but didn't pre-shutdown but I remain in the camp that if its safe to watch football, its safe for us all. |
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Post by pretzel on Jun 26, 2020 13:19:55 GMT
Those who get tickets should meet a couple of vital criteria.. particularly if they're in the same row as me.
a.. They should have moderately strong bladders
b.. They should not have the need to piss off ten minutes before the end of the match to beat the traffic
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Post by bigvern on Jun 26, 2020 14:10:14 GMT
Until we get back in the premier league we can blame Covid for having a half empty stadium.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jun 26, 2020 14:17:25 GMT
Difficulty in that is there’s several people for whom a home game is practically an away day. I leave the house at 10:30 on Saturday and don’t get in generally until about 9 and have all associated travel costs. They could piss a lot of people off with the phrasing. If they do it at all, I think it should be randomised in some way and if you are picked once you can’t go to the game immediately after or something. Or priority points lets you have some kind of first refusal for a game of your choice. There is, I appreciate that. I know that there are some who haven't missed a single game in going on 10-15 years, to randomise completely would be somewhat unfair on those. There won't be a solution that is good by all, that's pretty much a given, so it's not an easy one. I like the idea you mention that such priority points give you a first refusal etc. Or, as is the case for my mother and several others I know, have had a season ticket and hardly missed a match for the best part of 60 years. They should be the first in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 14:21:33 GMT
There is, I appreciate that. I know that there are some who haven't missed a single game in going on 10-15 years, to randomise completely would be somewhat unfair on those. There won't be a solution that is good by all, that's pretty much a given, so it's not an easy one. I like the idea you mention that such priority points give you a first refusal etc. Or, as is the case for my mother and several others I know, have had a season ticket and hardly missed a match for the best part of 60 years. They should be the first in. If pubs are opening then no reason that corporate member shouldn't be allowed in , within reason. |
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Post by Billybigbollox on Jun 26, 2020 14:38:00 GMT
It should be either all back or no one back. Or everyone back apart from the bloke who sits in front of me who smells like he’s shit himself. 👍 |
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Post by mattador78 on Jun 26, 2020 14:49:47 GMT
It should be either all back or no one back. Or everyone back apart from the bloke who sits in front of me who smells like he’s shit himself. 👍 He probably has because he doesn’t want leave his seat in case he’s accused of having a weak bladder, slack arse or want miss the traffic. |
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Post by PotterLog on Jun 26, 2020 14:53:23 GMT
It should be either all back or no one back. Why? We all know life is not going to be the same for a good while yet, particularly in terms of large gatherings. Wouldn't it be good to start getting, say, 1/4 of fans back in the ground with some reasonable measures in place? Surely it wouldn't be too difficult to start rotating round ST holders or something? |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jun 26, 2020 15:11:42 GMT
There was foresight in filling the corner in after all.
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Post by Scrotnig on Jun 26, 2020 15:32:04 GMT
If we keep up our recent decline, there won't be an issue - the number of people actually wanting to go won't cause any problems!
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Post by Trouserdog on Jun 26, 2020 15:51:10 GMT
It should be either all back or no one back. Why? We all know life is not going to be the same for a good while yet, particularly in terms of large gatherings. Wouldn't it be good to start getting, say, 1/4 of fans back in the ground with some reasonable measures in place? Surely it wouldn't be too difficult to start rotating round ST holders or something? Absolutely. Matchday revenue is crucial to the survival of so many clubs that people are going to have to put their idealism to one side and look at the bigger picture. If I can go to one match but have to watch the next two on the TV, so other people can go and the club can get revenue in, then so be it. We're not going to go from empty stadium one week to 25,000 in the next; people need to realise that. |
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Post by Davef on Jun 26, 2020 16:10:52 GMT
Why? We all know life is not going to be the same for a good while yet, particularly in terms of large gatherings. Wouldn't it be good to start getting, say, 1/4 of fans back in the ground with some reasonable measures in place? Surely it wouldn't be too difficult to start rotating round ST holders or something? Absolutely. Matchday revenue is crucial to the survival of so many clubs that people are going to have to put their idealism to one side and look at the bigger picture. If I can go to one match but have to watch the next two on the TV, so other people can go and the club can get revenue in, then so be it. We're not going to go from empty stadium one week to 25,000 in the next; people need to realise that. Fair enough, but good luck to the poor bastards who have to allocate who can attend which games and who'll face the inevitable torrent of abuse when it doesn't meet individuals' requirements. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 26, 2020 16:33:38 GMT
I knew that Plat Plus would come in handy after all these years😂😂
In all seriousness though Davef is spot on,all or nothing
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