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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 27, 2020 8:59:01 GMT
In Hungary they are allowing season ticket holders and a few away fans in (don't know how the away teams organises that) and capped at 5,000. The French are also going back with 5,000 capacity crowds. I know many would go whatever (I for eg am driving up from Gloucestershire tomorrow to watch the game on stream) I know this is bordering on madness but I'm keen. How many others would def want to go when we are allowed to go? I think some would stay at home - if they are in a high risk category. This would help to thin out the crowd. Not allowing away fans would reduce that further and make it easier to police (but I ma not a fan of an away ban) These are strange times, and without a vaccine People will continue to die, but clubs (particularly League one and below need supporters' cash) not sure how they will square this circle to start the season with fans in September? Just a question. Why don't you get your own stream and save yourself a tank of petrol?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 27, 2020 9:00:40 GMT
Here’s an idea. Half the crowd get to watch the first 45 minutes and the other half get to watch the second 45. As we’ve struggled to put a decent 90 minutes in it might work out ok for those lucky enough to get the best half 🤪 Well based on some twats who sit in front of us who arrive late and leave early there might be a market for the "middle" 45 mins.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 27, 2020 9:05:39 GMT
Assuming it is allowed it is only really an issue once we know how many are allowed. If it is 50% capacity to allow every other seat to be empty then I don't see it as a problem. No away fans plus some people who would be entitled (eg ST) not wanting to go for health reasons would mean that most people who wanted a ticket would get one. However if it was say 4000 - ie no more than 1000 in each stand then it would be an issue. Surely the seating is the smallest part of the problem. The bottlenecks are a nightmare. Even if the concourse is closed for food and drink the scrum in the Boothen bogs would be impossible. Even if they close them dickheads will be pissing everywhere like at the Vic. As for the queue into the ground at even 1m distance it will be all the way to Sideway. The arguments that would ensue between our own supporters queue jumping, pissing everywhere etc. would make it a thoroughly unpleasant experience all around especially for our more vulnerable fans. Agreed - and said as much in a previous post. Same issue with people observing spacing once in the stands. Many go for a drink before the game and common sense and alcohol rarely accompany each other. Main point still stands though - there's a debate going on about who will be allowed in and who won 't - but until we know the numbers proposed (if at all) then it's actually a fairly pointless debate.
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Post by westlandstokie on Jun 27, 2020 9:21:37 GMT
My vote is for all or nothing. I don't want to go if the lads I've gone home and away for many many years ain't gonna be there Dont know about anyone else but I only go to spend time with my mates....the football for many years has been dire
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Post by franklin66 on Jun 27, 2020 9:30:56 GMT
For me the genie is out of the bottle with all that's happening so imho we are all grown ups and can make an individual decision as to if you want to go or not. So open them up and you decide if you want to go or not. I'll go no problem and use common sense to minimise the risk to me and those around me.
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Post by lordb on Jun 27, 2020 9:47:46 GMT
In Hungary they are allowing season ticket holders and a few away fans in (don't know how the away teams organises that) and capped at 5,000. The French are also going back with 5,000 capacity crowds. I know many would go whatever (I for eg am driving up from Gloucestershire tomorrow to watch the game on stream) I know this is bordering on madness but I'm keen. How many others would def want to go when we are allowed to go? I think some would stay at home - if they are in a high risk category. This would help to thin out the crowd. Not allowing away fans would reduce that further and make it easier to police (but I ma not a fan of an away ban) These are strange times, and without a vaccine People will continue to die, but clubs (particularly League one and below need supporters' cash) not sure how they will square this circle to start the season with fans in September? Just a question. Why don't you get your own stream and save yourself a tank of petrol? He's coming up anyway for other reasons
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 27, 2020 9:48:00 GMT
Could do every other seat 😂😂😂 I only get half the fucking seat I pay for in a normal season. Yes but your warm every match(when you’re actually there)😄
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jun 27, 2020 10:02:52 GMT
Feels like there is only 500 odd people in there these days anyway!
Well...last time I was there, distant memory!
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jun 27, 2020 10:08:07 GMT
Onlooker, we are talking with the club on this matter. I can confirm it is very early days and when we get any indication of the way forward we will communicate it to all fans. It is of course early days but I hope that if this situation arises, the Council will not just be communicating a club decision but will undertake consultation with fans on the various options, and will make representations to the Club based on the results of that. Or indeed the club could itself conduct a poll on it, and publish the results. If it does arise, it will of course apply to all clubs. The FSA would discuss the various options with the EFL at national level, and through the Supporters Club in our network of Championship club representatives, and try to ensure that local discussions are informed by what is happening elsewhere.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jun 27, 2020 10:08:16 GMT
I only get half the fucking seat I pay for in a normal season. Yes but your warm every match(when you’re actually there)😄 They say the same about you at work!!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 27, 2020 10:09:35 GMT
Yes but your warm every match(when you’re actually there)😄 They say the same about you at work!! Good retort👏
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Post by Miles Offside on Jun 27, 2020 10:44:17 GMT
Matchday revenue is crucial to the survival of so many clubs that people are going to have to put their idealism to one side and look at the bigger picture.
If I can go to one match but have to watch the next two on the TV, so other people can go and the club can get revenue in, then so be it.
We're not going to go from empty stadium one week to 25,000 in the next; people need to realise that. [/quote]
This
With no away fans we could probably get 5K to 6K of us in per game and maintain social distancing. But there's no way to do it to make everybody happy.
It'd be too complicated to let families to sit together. Just use every 5th seat, or whatever it needs, and alternate each game so we all get a chance.
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Post by jeycov on Jun 27, 2020 10:59:02 GMT
I cannot see the possibility for anywhere near full capacity at any football game this year
Surely now is the time to invest in a Stoke City TV channel a bit like an online season ticket
I'm not sure how expensive it would be to set up but other clubs have them and receive some income this way as they are subscription channels
They would be available to all who have a TV rather than needing a laptop,. desktop, tablet phone etc ( and the know how how to download the streaming) families could watch together etc
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Post by AlliG on Jun 27, 2020 11:29:32 GMT
Assuming it is allowed it is only really an issue once we know how many are allowed. If it is 50% capacity to allow every other seat to be empty then I don't see it as a problem. No away fans plus some people who would be entitled (eg ST) not wanting to go for health reasons would mean that most people who wanted a ticket would get one. However if it was say 4000 - ie no more than 1000 in each stand then it would be an issue. Surely the seating is the smallest part of the problem. The bottlenecks are a nightmare. Even if the concourse is closed for food and drink the scrum in the Boothen bogs would be impossible. Even if they close them dickheads will be pissing everywhere like at the Vic. As for the queue into the ground at even 1m distance it will be all the way to Sideway. The arguments that would ensue between our own supporters queue jumping, pissing everywhere etc. would make it a thoroughly unpleasant experience all around especially for our more vulnerable fans. Agreed. The argument around seating arrangements and capacity has always seemed to be a red herring when it comes to re-opening major sporting (and music etc) venues for spectators. The issue is (or should be) with the toilets, concourses, entry and exit from the stadium and even how the spectators get safely to and from the stadium (buses, car parking etc). If there is socially distanced queueing at the turnstiles, even with a much reduced crowd you could be queueing for an hour or more outside the ground. If pubs are going to operate one in/one out for the toilets, then presumably sporting venues would need to do something similar and have stewarding on all entrances and exits to manage it. Even if there are only say 10,000 in the stadium, how long will the queues be before kick-off, half-time and full-time? (The queueing for the Gents would be bad enough but would be ridiculous for the Ladies) When the final whistle goes are people going to sit patiently in their seats and wait their turn to leave in a socially distanced and orderly manner, especially if it is cold, wet and windy and it has been a dreadful game? I won't even start on how they would plan to enforce a ban on singing or shouting in the stands. Until we get to the stage where facemasks and soap/hand sanitiser (and maybe closing the food and drink outlets inside) are seen to be adequate precautions then I still really don't see how more than a nominal amount of fans can be allowed in.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jun 27, 2020 16:14:20 GMT
How many early bird season tickets did we sell? If less than 10k you would think they will be the first invited back. Perhaps it should be first come first served. Seems about the fairest way to me.
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Post by ohbottom on Jun 27, 2020 16:34:58 GMT
Here's an idea:
Sack Tony Scholes. For approximately half his wages, buy 20,000 monitors (with built-in cams) connected to basic PCs running Zoom Bolt the monitors to the back of seats. Link each to a season-ticket holder or paying fan.
Hey presto - virtual crowd!
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Post by danceswithclams on Jun 27, 2020 16:37:52 GMT
Here's an idea: Sack Tony Scholes. For approximately half his wages, buy 20,000 monitors (with built-in cams) connected to basic PCs running Zoom Bolt the monitors to the back of seats. Link each to a season-ticket holder or paying fan. Hey presto - virtual crowd! Or just get relegated again and haemorrhage enough supporters that the stadium will be plenty big enough to accommodate those that remain even if the social distancing restrictions were set at 5m apart.
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Post by ohbottom on Jun 27, 2020 16:38:53 GMT
Here's an idea: Sack Tony Scholes. For approximately half his wages, buy 20,000 monitors (with built-in cams) connected to basic PCs running Zoom Bolt the monitors to the back of seats. Link each to a season-ticket holder or paying fan. Hey presto - virtual crowd! Or just get relegated again and haemorrhage enough supporters that the stadium will be plenty big enough to accommodate those that remain even if the social distancing restrictions were set at 5m apart. Well, if you want to go down the low-tech route......
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Post by danceswithclams on Jun 27, 2020 16:39:50 GMT
Or just get relegated again and haemorrhage enough supporters that the stadium will be plenty big enough to accommodate those that remain even if the social distancing restrictions were set at 5m apart. Well, if you want to go down the low-tech route...... As if the club's IT department know what Zoom is 😂
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 27, 2020 16:40:03 GMT
I'm quite happy to stay away and let someone else take my place
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Post by ohbottom on Jun 27, 2020 16:47:49 GMT
Well, if you want to go down the low-tech route...... As if the club's IT department know what Zoom is 😂 TS: "What's an it department?"
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Post by boothenender on Jun 27, 2020 19:35:30 GMT
After todays circus like performance against the mighty 'Boro I hope to God that my name is not pulled out of the hat for entry to the Bet365 crucible of cruelty. I have done nothing wrong that would deserve such a cruel and painful punishment. All of the enjoyment of watching Stoke City has finally vanished. Next season will be even worse due to us having to endure the pain of watching that so called football team. As the song goes "Bring on the Clowns, they're already here" Everyone connected with that performance today should hang their heads in shame.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 21:23:12 GMT
I don't like the away day idea. Lots of people, myself included, cannot afford away games after paying out for a Season Ticket. I just choose to put all of my available budget to the club in the form of a number of Season Tickets in the family and a few replica shirts each season. I'm not ashamed to admit that. Personally I think first choice should be to local NHS, front line and private care home staff as a free treat for some down time after what they've been through recently. After that, it should be a lucky dip. I get the sentiment mate, but it's hardly a treat watching Stoke these days and don't you think those key workers have gone through enough over the last few months?
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Post by musik on Jun 27, 2020 21:38:13 GMT
My idea actually. Can't see why not every football club in the world practise the idea of having a 1000 persons crowd instead of an empty stadium - during this Corona shit.
No problem. They could leave afterwardd section by section, to avoid being infected. A limited ticket sale.
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Post by boothenboys1863 on Jun 28, 2020 7:53:37 GMT
Should do it on a loyalty system same as priority for away tickets.. those with the most points get to go.
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Post by telfordstokie on Jun 28, 2020 8:23:48 GMT
Think a good opportunity to test out having fans back in limited numbers might be the play-off finals and FA Cup semis and final at Wembley. Could surely get at least a couple of thousand of supporters from each side in at a very decent distance from each other.
Obviously the question of working out who qualifies for a ticket is a tricky one for clubs.
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Post by pottersrule on Jun 28, 2020 10:14:25 GMT
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jun 28, 2020 20:03:06 GMT
Are they drawing lots? It’s either the firing squad or you watch Stoke? You have ten seconds to decide!
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Post by musik on Jun 29, 2020 0:28:22 GMT
Obviously the question of working out who qualifies for a ticket is a tricky one for clubs. The one who buys it first.
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Post by metalhead on Jun 29, 2020 6:32:51 GMT
Some might not back this but for me, away points should be considered. I absolutely understand that some don't have the circumstances to travel away, but those that do travel the country every other week do deserve some sort 'priority'. Some recognition for the elderly who've been with the club for x amount of years? I'm not sure how else it could be done? Ahh right. Away points. I went to almost every away game for many years straight including midweek trips across the country...right up until this season for reasons I won't be going into. Guess I won't be getting a ticket then. Just do a ballot. Then it's fair.
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