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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 15, 2023 16:00:29 GMT
If Corbyn stands as an independent in the Islingtom election he'll beat New New Labour hands down. Starmer needs to be very careful. He's in danger of splitting the party and letting in the Tories by default if the Tories can make up ground in the next two years. It would be ironic if those on the left of the Labour Party moved their allegiance to the Lib-Dems rather than voting for an autocratic leader of this new thing Starmer has created. Both the Tories and the Lib-Dems will be rubbing their hands with glee at what he's doing. I'm beginning to dislike Starmer as much as I do the Tories. OS. Ps. It will be interesting to see how the unions react to this. Some will be very angry and may withdraw their funding to Starmer's lot. Starmer is one of the most duplicitous politicians of our time........ I'm wondering if this is the end of the Labour Party. I'm also wondering if what he's doing is deliberate. More and more it feels like he's the establishment stooge I thought he was back in 2019.
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Post by wagsastokie on Feb 15, 2023 16:07:27 GMT
Starmer is one of the most duplicitous politicians of our time........ I'm wondering if this is the end of the Labour Party. I'm also wondering if what he's doing is deliberate. More and more it feels like he's the establishment stooge I thought he was back in 2019. Almost makes you believe in conspiracy theories Here we are with the most un Tory leader in charge of the conservatives the labour leader more right wing than the for mentioned Tory Wee jimmy jacks the job in All after the covid reset to the world economy
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 15, 2023 19:27:43 GMT
Excellent news and decision. 👏
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Post by salopstick on Feb 15, 2023 20:25:59 GMT
If Corbyn stands as an independent in the Islingtom election he'll beat New New Labour hands down. Starmer needs to be very careful. He's in danger of splitting the party and letting in the Tories by default if the Tories can make up ground in the next two years. It would be ironic if those on the left of the Labour Party moved their allegiance to the Lib-Dems rather than voting for an autocratic leader of this new thing Starmer has created. Both the Tories and the Lib-Dems will be rubbing their hands with glee at what he's doing. I'm beginning to dislike Starmer as much as I do the Tories. OS. Ps. It will be interesting to see how the unions react to this. Some will be very angry and may withdraw their funding to Starmer's lot. He’d be in no10 now if he’d backed brexit
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 15, 2023 20:46:06 GMT
If Corbyn stands as an independent in the Islingtom election he'll beat New New Labour hands down. Starmer needs to be very careful. He's in danger of splitting the party and letting in the Tories by default if the Tories can make up ground in the next two years. It would be ironic if those on the left of the Labour Party moved their allegiance to the Lib-Dems rather than voting for an autocratic leader of this new thing Starmer has created. Both the Tories and the Lib-Dems will be rubbing their hands with glee at what he's doing. I'm beginning to dislike Starmer as much as I do the Tories. OS. Ps. It will be interesting to see how the unions react to this. Some will be very angry and may withdraw their funding to Starmer's lot. He’d be in no10 now if he’d backed brexit If Corbyn stands as an independent in the Islingtom election he'll beat New New Labour hands down. Starmer needs to be very careful. He's in danger of splitting the party and letting in the Tories by default if the Tories can make up ground in the next two years. It would be ironic if those on the left of the Labour Party moved their allegiance to the Lib-Dems rather than voting for an autocratic leader of this new thing Starmer has created. Both the Tories and the Lib-Dems will be rubbing their hands with glee at what he's doing. I'm beginning to dislike Starmer as much as I do the Tories. OS. Ps. It will be interesting to see how the unions react to this. Some will be very angry and may withdraw their funding to Starmer's lot. He’d be in no10 now if he’d backed brexit You are absolutely right Salop. That was the watershed moment at which it became clear that Labour didn't represent ordinary working class people ( and decent middle class people) and rather preferred being a superior morality discussion group or a party who didn't stick to their principles, but rather tried to do what they ( mistakenly) thought would get them elected. Hence the Red Wall. They still don't get it.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 15, 2023 20:53:48 GMT
He’d be in no10 now if he’d backed brexit He’d be in no10 now if he’d backed brexit You are absolutely right Salop. That was the watershed moment at which it became clear that Labour didn't represent ordinary working class people ( and decent middle class people) and rather preferred being a superior morality discussion group or a party who didn't stick to their principles, but rather tried to do what they ( mistakenly) thought would get them elected. Hence the Red Wall. They still don't get it. It’s quite simple The working man felt left behind so voted brexit. The working mans party abandoned them. Led by an anti eu leftist. Only London in England had a greater remain than leave vote Labour has pandered to London for far too long
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 15, 2023 21:02:12 GMT
You are absolutely right Salop. That was the watershed moment at which it became clear that Labour didn't represent ordinary working class people ( and decent middle class people) and rather preferred being a superior morality discussion group or a party who didn't stick to their principles, but rather tried to do what they ( mistakenly) thought would get them elected. Hence the Red Wall. They still don't get it. It’s quite simple The working man felt left behind so voted brexit. The working mans party abandoned them. Led by an anti eu leftist. Only London in England had a greater remain than leave vote Labour has pandered to London for far too long Perhaps the saddest thing is Labour ( personified by people like Corbyn) used to be radical, asking questions of the establishment. Now they have been schooled into conformity, scared to be bold.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 15, 2023 21:20:16 GMT
It’s quite simple The working man felt left behind so voted brexit. The working mans party abandoned them. Led by an anti eu leftist. Only London in England had a greater remain than leave vote Labour has pandered to London for far too long Perhaps the saddest thing is Labour ( personified by people like Corbyn) used to be radical, asking questions of the establishment. Now they have been schooled into conformity, scared to be bold. I think he was radical. But you’ve got to be in power to play it out. He was the ultimate spoiler candidate who won but didn’t have the bollocks to stand up to the PLP
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 15, 2023 21:30:51 GMT
Perhaps the saddest thing is Labour ( personified by people like Corbyn) used to be radical, asking questions of the establishment. Now they have been schooled into conformity, scared to be bold. I think he was radical. But you’ve got to be in power to play it out. He was the ultimate spoiler candidate who won but didn’t have the bollocks to stand up to the PLP Yes, I think Corbyn was radical....but when he became leader, had responsibility, he changed his mind on the biggest issue in UK politics, possibly since the Second World War....who governs Britain....he went for the conformist view,( credit to Corbyn he does usually say what he believes) rather than his actual conviction of the undemocratic EU. Corbyn v Johnson on the EU....I think the working class would have backed Corbyn. Never mind.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 15, 2023 23:21:34 GMT
I think he was radical. But you’ve got to be in power to play it out. He was the ultimate spoiler candidate who won but didn’t have the bollocks to stand up to the PLP Yes, I think Corbyn was radical....but when he became leader, had responsibility, he changed his mind on the biggest issue in UK politics, possibly since the Second World War....who governs Britain....he went for the conformist view,( credit to Corbyn he does usually say what he believes) rather than his actual conviction of the undemocratic EU. Corbyn v Johnson on the EU....I think the working class would have backed Corbyn. Never mind. I think you and Salop missed what he was trying to do. The peoples vote was led by Starmer and the other Labour right wingers. Corbyn never stood a chance. Sadly some of you on here fell for it.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 15, 2023 23:29:47 GMT
Excellent news and decision. 👏 Disgusting. Have you read his statement tonight?
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 15, 2023 23:36:55 GMT
Excellent news and decision. 👏 Disgusting. Have you read his statement tonight? What's disgusting?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 15, 2023 23:39:54 GMT
Disgusting. Have you read his statement tonight? What's disgusting? Your comment. Disgraceful.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 15, 2023 23:41:14 GMT
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 15, 2023 23:48:21 GMT
Your comment. Disgraceful. Why is it?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 15, 2023 23:50:39 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Feb 15, 2023 23:55:31 GMT
Your comment. Disgraceful. Why is it?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 16, 2023 0:23:38 GMT
Corbyn and his gang of merry men and women need to fuck off. Get over him. Do the country a favour.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 16, 2023 0:28:56 GMT
Corbyn and his gang of merry men and women need to fuck off. Get over him. Do the country a favour. He’s mentioned in every PMQT, every morning on various radio/TV breakfast shows, constantly on Radio 4, on social media and on daily radio talks shows. I’m not sure it’s the right people you’re directing your anger at…….
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 16, 2023 0:31:31 GMT
Corbyn and his gang of merry men and women need to fuck off. Get over him. Do the country a favour. He’s mentioned in every PMQT, every morning on various radio/TV breakfast shows, constantly on Radio 4, on social media and on daily radio talks shows. I’m not sure it’s the right people you’re directing your anger at……. Because he’s an absolute stain on this nation. The Tories play up to it still because he is their only hope and his followers still bang on about him despite him being the best Tory advert for decades.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 16, 2023 0:35:39 GMT
He’s mentioned in every PMQT, every morning on various radio/TV breakfast shows, constantly on Radio 4, on social media and on daily radio talks shows. I’m not sure it’s the right people you’re directing your anger at……. Because he’s an absolute stain on this nation. The Tories play up to it still because he is their only hope and his followers still bang on about him despite him being the best Tory advert for decades. If the Tories close the gap in the polls and Labour don’t get a majority it won’t be Corbyn to blame it will be Starmer. It suits Starmer of course to paint him as the big bad wolf but at some point he will come under scrutiny himself so let’s see how he gets on……
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 16, 2023 0:37:37 GMT
Because he’s an absolute stain on this nation. The Tories play up to it still because he is their only hope and his followers still bang on about him despite him being the best Tory advert for decades. If the Tories close the gap in the polls and Labour don’t get a majority it won’t be Corbyn to blame it will be Starmer. It suits Starmer of course to paint him as the big bad wolf but at some point he will come under scrutiny himself so let’s see how he gets on…… Starmer is a genuine leader. A person people can behind. Corbyn was never that and never had the trust of anyone bar the hard left. People need to forget about him and unite.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 16, 2023 0:44:12 GMT
If the Tories close the gap in the polls and Labour don’t get a majority it won’t be Corbyn to blame it will be Starmer. It suits Starmer of course to paint him as the big bad wolf but at some point he will come under scrutiny himself so let’s see how he gets on…… Starmer is a genuine leader. A person people can behind. Corbyn was never that and never had the trust of anyone bar the hard left. People need to forget about him and unite. 13m voters are hard left, who knew? You don’t need to tell people to unite, if he’s such a great leader with polices that extend beyond “we’re not as shit as the Tories honest” then they’ll be flocking to the polling booths…..
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 16, 2023 0:49:38 GMT
Starmer is a genuine leader. A person people can behind. Corbyn was never that and never had the trust of anyone bar the hard left. People need to forget about him and unite. 13m voters are hard left, who knew? You don’t need to tell people to unite, if he’s such a great leader with polices that extend beyond “we’re not as shit as the Tories honest” then they’ll be flocking to the polling booths….. You do when you have a group of people that seem so determined to keep the Tories in power like the Corbyn fans seem to want. They all need to grow the fuck up.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 16, 2023 1:01:18 GMT
13m voters are hard left, who knew? You don’t need to tell people to unite, if he’s such a great leader with polices that extend beyond “we’re not as shit as the Tories honest” then they’ll be flocking to the polling booths….. You do when you have a group of people that seem so determined to keep the Tories in power like the Corbyn fans seem to want. They all need to grow the fuck up. You’re not making any sense. Corbyn fans absolutely have no skin in the game here, it’s the establishment that keep him in the spotlight. I’m not sure who’s meant to be “growing the fuck up?”
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Post by wannabee on Feb 16, 2023 3:00:45 GMT
I think he was radical. But you’ve got to be in power to play it out. He was the ultimate spoiler candidate who won but didn’t have the bollocks to stand up to the PLP Yes, I think Corbyn was radical....but when he became leader, had responsibility, he changed his mind on the biggest issue in UK politics, possibly since the Second World War....who governs Britain....he went for the conformist view,( credit to Corbyn he does usually say what he believes) rather than his actual conviction of the undemocratic EU. Corbyn v Johnson on the EU....I think the working class would have backed Corbyn. Never mind. Big John I think you are misremembering or reinventing history In the 2016 Referendum 186 of the 196 Labour MPs declared they would campaign to remain in EU. Corbyn although Leader of the Party was simply not in a position to carry his Party to enter the 2019 Election on an outright Pro Brexit Manifesto Here is what the 2019 Labour Party Manifesto actually said they would do on Brexit if Elected Labour would rip up Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal, negotiate a new one with the EU within three months, and then put the deal to a referendum within six months of coming to power. The referendum would not be advisory but “legally binding”. A deal would involve a “comprehensive” UK-wide customs arrangement with the EU; “close alignment with the single market”, and “dynamic alignment” on workers’ rights and the environment which guarantees keeping pace with any future EU protections “as a minimum”. Under Labour, the UK would also continue to participate in the EU funding programmes on science and environment and scrap Operation Yellowhammer contingency planning. Interestingly Corbyn himself refused to say if he would campaign for or against Brexit in a second Referendum The alternative The Conservative Party presented was Boris Johnson's Oven Ready Turkey Deal You can decide which would have been a better outcome
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Post by wannabee on Feb 16, 2023 3:23:59 GMT
The stain on the Labour Party under Corbyn being put into Special Measures due to Anti Semitism will take a long time to remove The stain of the Labour Party under Starmer not actively supporting Striking Workers is equally hideous I do not believe for one second that Corbyn is Anti Semitic but he is Anti Zionist, but they are two different things entirely. His failing is that due to his Anti Zionist thinking he failed to control Anti Semites within the Labour Party
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 16, 2023 3:44:23 GMT
Corbyn and his gang of merry men and women need to fuck off. Get over him. Do the country a favour. He’s mentioned in every PMQT
Indeed he is ... by the government.
Reason being?
They know that Corbyn, when it comes to the electorate, is the biggest and most powerful stick to beat Labour with.
The Tories absolutely hate the fact that Starmer is prepared to sacrifce Corbyn, his presence is pretty much all they've actually got left, when it comes to winning votes.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 16, 2023 4:42:18 GMT
I’m amazed as to how divided the main 2 parties are in U.K. politics. It’s embarrassing.
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Post by knype on Feb 16, 2023 5:00:02 GMT
I’m amazed as to how divided the main 2 parties are in U.K. politics. It’s embarrassing. Looks like we may have 2 years of Labour in-fighting and implosion before the GE? The Tories have been at their lowest...
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