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Post by theonlooker on May 7, 2022 20:25:15 GMT
The genuine mistakes seem to racking up..... So Starmer should resign. I assume Johnson and Sunak should also. I assume you agree? They should all go. A disgrace to this country. The worry for me would be how far the sackings and resignations would go if all were caught out. I fear we'd have very few politicians left.
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Post by followyoudown on May 7, 2022 21:10:18 GMT
Time for a new thread Nandy or Streeting ? You are such a hypocrite KS should resign if he is fined. As should Johnson and Sunak. Whilst KS isn’t as bad even if fined (he didn’t make the rules unlike Johnson and Sunak), he has said they should resign for being fined. It is much worse to make the rules you then break. Why am I hypocrite I've not called for him to resign I've said all along lots of people made minor breaches of the rules and this was an overhyped, theres now a retrospective intrepretation of the law that never applied at the time which if you want to take to its logical conclusion means all those tik tokking nurses should now get FPNs. Starmer has gone big on this knowing full well he was at an event much worse, sunak for example got fined for turning up early for a meeting and not leaving immediately when he saw what was going on, Starmer has spent months calling for Boris to resign for just being investigated, for lying and other spurious reasons well guess what he has done the same but worse, his forensic honest reputation (which was undeserved) is busted every tweet and thing he said is going to get thrown back at the sanctimonious lying hypocrite, I couldn't care if he resigns or not hes busted. And the whole sets the rules thing is just bollocks they were told what to do by the health experts and all Mps voted for them like unquestioning sheep while the likes of Starmer at EVERY opportunity called for stricter, longer, harder lockdowns and slower more restrictive coming out of lockdown. So yeah its just glorious this is coming back in spades to Starmer and there is much more and worse to come before they even get onto Ange and her special friend as someone said in twitter aint korma a bitch
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on May 7, 2022 21:21:04 GMT
So Starmer should resign. I assume Johnson and Sunak should also. I assume you agree? They should all go. A disgrace to this country. The worry for me would be how far the sackings and resignations would go if all were caught out. I fear we'd have very few politicians left. I wouldn't worry about that. Fuck them off and start again . I don't want anyone shaping the laws of the land either wilfully breaking rules intended to save lives in a global pandemic or is too stupid to recognise a party.
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Post by partickpotter on May 8, 2022 5:35:17 GMT
They should all go. A disgrace to this country. The worry for me would be how far the sackings and resignations would go if all were caught out. I fear we'd have very few politicians left. I wouldn't worry about that. Fuck them off and start again . I don't want anyone shaping the laws of the land either wilfully breaking rules intended to save lives in a global pandemic or is too stupid to recognise a party. I’d rather have someone not creating absurd rules and laws in a global pandemic.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 8, 2022 6:45:28 GMT
The genuine mistakes seem to racking up..... So Starmer should resign. I assume Johnson and Sunak should also. I assume you agree? Can't see you getting an answer to that¡ In FYD land, Starmer and Rayner should resign for being investigated by the police (which is what Starmer said about Johnson, so fair enough). But Johnson and Sunak don't have to resign because...erm...well, because there's no way in the world that FYD will be able to bring himself to say that. It's as if there's one rule for certain people and different ones for others...¡
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Post by oggyoggy on May 8, 2022 8:17:17 GMT
You are such a hypocrite KS should resign if he is fined. As should Johnson and Sunak. Whilst KS isn’t as bad even if fined (he didn’t make the rules unlike Johnson and Sunak), he has said they should resign for being fined. It is much worse to make the rules you then break. Why am I hypocrite I've not called for him to resign I've said all along lots of people made minor breaches of the rules and this was an overhyped, theres now a retrospective intrepretation of the law that never applied at the time which if you want to take to its logical conclusion means all those tik tokking nurses should now get FPNs. Starmer has gone big on this knowing full well he was at an event much worse, sunak for example got fined for turning up early for a meeting and not leaving immediately when he saw what was going on, Starmer has spent months calling for Boris to resign for just being investigated, for lying and other spurious reasons well guess what he has done the same but worse, his forensic honest reputation (which was undeserved) is busted every tweet and thing he said is going to get thrown back at the sanctimonious lying hypocrite, I couldn't care if he resigns or not hes busted. And the whole sets the rules thing is just bollocks they were told what to do by the health experts and all Mps voted for them like unquestioning sheep while the likes of Starmer at EVERY opportunity called for stricter, longer, harder lockdowns and slower more restrictive coming out of lockdown. So yeah its just glorious this is coming back in spades to Starmer and there is much more and worse to come before they even get onto Ange and her special friend as someone said in twitter aint korma a bitch Rubbish. Johnson made the rules that he broke. Starmer voted for the rules Johnson made, and we wait to see if Starmer broke the rules. If I am Starmer, I come out now and say “I am a man with integrity and decency, unlike the PM. I don’t think I broke the rules, but if I am found to have done so by me being given a FPN, I will of course resign”. If he said that now, it puts MASSIVE pressure on Johnson and Sunak. It could win Labour the next election, particularly if Starmer isn’t then given a FPN and still Johnson and Sunak don’t resign, even after getting more FPNs which cannot be ruled out. If Starmer gets a FPN and doesn’t resign then that hands the next election to the tories as it shows he is scum like them. And you are a hypocrite for saying we should change the thread name to Nandy or Streeting, but not also saying Johnson and Sunak should resign for their FPNs.
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Post by followyoudown on May 8, 2022 9:19:27 GMT
Why am I hypocrite I've not called for him to resign I've said all along lots of people made minor breaches of the rules and this was an overhyped, theres now a retrospective intrepretation of the law that never applied at the time which if you want to take to its logical conclusion means all those tik tokking nurses should now get FPNs. Starmer has gone big on this knowing full well he was at an event much worse, sunak for example got fined for turning up early for a meeting and not leaving immediately when he saw what was going on, Starmer has spent months calling for Boris to resign for just being investigated, for lying and other spurious reasons well guess what he has done the same but worse, his forensic honest reputation (which was undeserved) is busted every tweet and thing he said is going to get thrown back at the sanctimonious lying hypocrite, I couldn't care if he resigns or not hes busted. And the whole sets the rules thing is just bollocks they were told what to do by the health experts and all Mps voted for them like unquestioning sheep while the likes of Starmer at EVERY opportunity called for stricter, longer, harder lockdowns and slower more restrictive coming out of lockdown. So yeah its just glorious this is coming back in spades to Starmer and there is much more and worse to come before they even get onto Ange and her special friend as someone said in twitter aint korma a bitch Rubbish. Johnson made the rules that he broke. Starmer voted for the rules Johnson made, and we wait to see if Starmer broke the rules. If I am Starmer, I come out now and say “I am a man with integrity and decency, unlike the PM. I don’t think I broke the rules, but if I am found to have done so by me being given a FPN, I will of course resign”. If he said that now, it puts MASSIVE pressure on Johnson and Sunak. It could win Labour the next election, particularly if Starmer isn’t then given a FPN and still Johnson and Sunak don’t resign, even after getting more FPNs which cannot be ruled out. If Starmer gets a FPN and doesn’t resign then that hands the next election to the tories as it shows he is scum like them. And you are a hypocrite for saying we should change the thread name to Nandy or Streeting, but not also saying Johnson and Sunak should resign for their FPNs. Strawman alert I said time for a new thread not renamed this, Starmer has banged on about this so much he has left himself nowhere to go he called for Johnson to go for just being investigated yet he is being investigated and hasn't resigned himself he's already shown himself to be pious lying hypocrite, every tweet and every statement he made will be thrown back at him, he's instructed a team of lawyers to prepare a defence I don't know but too me that doesn't sound like someone confident he broke no laws. So cry me a river the plot to reverse brexit is fucked just like forensic Starmers reputation for truth and honesty, only more will come out know just in case you've forgotten the whole momentum wing of labour hate him with a passion and wont miss a chance to stick the knife in.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 8, 2022 9:40:51 GMT
Jesus, the squabbling over this is ridiculous. All four of them should resign.
We can then make an effort, at least, to draw a line under it, and to return politics, and those who hold office, to some form of normal, accepted standard of behaviour, with the accepted consequences if those standards are broken. That's the dangerous part about all this, this new approach where even criminal behaviour is somehow now tolerated, which people seem to be missing.
On the plus side, perhaps then, if they all go, ie Starmer, Rayner, Johnson and Sunak, we won't get people risibly defending the indefensible, purely because it's 'their side' that they're so incapable of seeing criticised in any way.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 8, 2022 9:42:02 GMT
Rubbish. Johnson made the rules that he broke. Starmer voted for the rules Johnson made, and we wait to see if Starmer broke the rules. If I am Starmer, I come out now and say “I am a man with integrity and decency, unlike the PM. I don’t think I broke the rules, but if I am found to have done so by me being given a FPN, I will of course resign”. If he said that now, it puts MASSIVE pressure on Johnson and Sunak. It could win Labour the next election, particularly if Starmer isn’t then given a FPN and still Johnson and Sunak don’t resign, even after getting more FPNs which cannot be ruled out. If Starmer gets a FPN and doesn’t resign then that hands the next election to the tories as it shows he is scum like them. And you are a hypocrite for saying we should change the thread name to Nandy or Streeting, but not also saying Johnson and Sunak should resign for their FPNs. Strawman alert I said time for a new thread not renamed this, Starmer has banged on about this so much he has left himself nowhere to go he called for Johnson to go for just being investigated yet he is being investigated and hasn't resigned himself he's already shown himself to be pious lying hypocrite, every tweet and every statement he made will be thrown back at him, he's instructed a team of lawyers to prepare a defence I don't know but too me that doesn't sound like someone confident he broke no laws. So cry me a river the plot to reverse brexit is fucked just like forensic Starmers reputation for truth and honesty, only more will come out know just in case you've forgotten the whole momentum wing of labour hate him with a passion and wont miss a chance to stick the knife in. Do you think Johnson and Sunak should resign? If not, there is no reasonable way you could think Starmer should resign. You cannot have meant for the name of this thread to change without wanting Starmer to resign. So unless you also think Johnson and Sunak should resign, you are a massive hypocrite. One rule for Tories, another for everyone else….sounds familiar!
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Post by partickpotter on May 8, 2022 9:47:05 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on May 8, 2022 10:06:31 GMT
Strawman alert I said time for a new thread not renamed this, Starmer has banged on about this so much he has left himself nowhere to go he called for Johnson to go for just being investigated yet he is being investigated and hasn't resigned himself he's already shown himself to be pious lying hypocrite, every tweet and every statement he made will be thrown back at him, he's instructed a team of lawyers to prepare a defence I don't know but too me that doesn't sound like someone confident he broke no laws. So cry me a river the plot to reverse brexit is fucked just like forensic Starmers reputation for truth and honesty, only more will come out know just in case you've forgotten the whole momentum wing of labour hate him with a passion and wont miss a chance to stick the knife in. Do you think Johnson and Sunak should resign? If not, there is no reasonable way you could think Starmer should resign. You cannot have meant for the name of this thread to change without wanting Starmer to resign. So unless you also think Johnson and Sunak should resign, you are a massive hypocrite. One rule for Tories, another for everyone else….sounds familiar! Again for the hard of thinking show me where I have said Starmer should resign, his actions and pious hyprocrisy mean he has made his own position untenable for himself, I honestly don't care if he resigns or stays to have his own words and tweets thrown back in his face every day for months, if you ask me what I think is likely I would say its likely he will eventually resign and that will be both delicious and ridiculous as he is the man who made a story out of a non story for pure political posturing and thats why I said time for a new thread as Labour will change their leader before the tories do, so no hypocrisy thats you man Kier.
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Post by followyoudown on May 8, 2022 10:08:08 GMT
I'm sure the pretty average law project will be all over this what with their commitment to improvement government processes or maybe they won't ....
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Post by oggyoggy on May 8, 2022 10:28:44 GMT
Do you think Johnson and Sunak should resign? If not, there is no reasonable way you could think Starmer should resign. You cannot have meant for the name of this thread to change without wanting Starmer to resign. So unless you also think Johnson and Sunak should resign, you are a massive hypocrite. One rule for Tories, another for everyone else….sounds familiar! Again for the hard of thinking show me where I have said Starmer should resign, his actions and pious hyprocrisy mean he has made his own position untenable for himself, I honestly don't care if he resigns or stays to have his own words and tweets thrown back in his face every day for months, if you ask me what I think is likely I would say its likely he will eventually resign and that will be both delicious and ridiculous as he is the man who made a story out of a non story for pure political posturing and thats why I said time for a new thread as Labour will change their leader before the tories do, so no hypocrisy thats you man Kier. Do you think Johnson and Sunak should resign? Obviously you would be a hypocrite if you thought they shouldn’t but Kier should. Also, why were you saying the name of the thread should change if you don’t want Starmer to resign? You either are stupid and don’t understand this thread is about the Labour leader. Or you are a hypocrite for not thinking Johnson, Sunak and Starmer should resign (if Starmer is indeed fined). But you won’t answer any of my questions will you. I actually think the fact Johnson wasn’t fined for sitting in his garden with colleagues and his wife and drinks (so mixing work and personal so had to be social) means that it is unlikely Starmer will be fined for this.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 8, 2022 10:29:59 GMT
I'm sure the pretty average law project will be all over this what with their commitment to improvement government processes or maybe they won't .... Starmer isn’t in government. Investigating the leader of the opposition won’t lead to improvements in government processes.
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Post by Gob Bluth on May 8, 2022 10:30:39 GMT
In some ways it’s worse than Sunak and Johnson. Not because he’s spent ages saying that they have double standards or that they lie to the public. It’s because he knows what a complete bunch of shitehawkes this government are and he’s letting them back in. I believe all he largely needed to do was turn up at the next election and he’d stop this lot with their dodgy deals, lies and driving millions into poverty and he’s pissed it away. He’s not like them but this is such a monumental cock up he might as well be like them.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 8, 2022 10:35:57 GMT
In some ways it’s worse than Sunak and Johnson. Not because he’s spent ages saying that they have double standards or that they lie to the public. It’s because he knows what a complete bunch of shitehawkes this government are and he’s letting them back in. I believe all he largely needed to do was turn up at the next election and he’d stop this lot with their dodgy deals, lies and driving millions into poverty and he’s pissed it away. He’s not like them but this is such a monumental cock up he might as well be like them. Only if he is fined. If he cones out now and commits to resigning if he is fined, he will will the next election if he is not fined and Johnson and Sunak don’t resign.
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Post by followyoudown on May 8, 2022 10:38:39 GMT
I'm sure the pretty average law project will be all over this what with their commitment to improvement government processes or maybe they won't .... Starmer isn’t in government. Investigating the leader of the opposition won’t lead to improvements in government processes. It might help if you actually read the article its about the SNP would stop you looking foolish.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 8, 2022 10:47:20 GMT
Starmer isn’t in government. Investigating the leader of the opposition won’t lead to improvements in government processes. It might help if you actually read the article its about the SNP would stop you looking foolish. You said the Good Law Project should investigate Starmer because they want to improve government processes. You don’t understand what the government is, and that Starmer isn’t part of it. Neither is the SNP. Anyway, answer the question. Should Johnson and Sunak resign over partygate?
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Post by followyoudown on May 8, 2022 10:56:02 GMT
Again for the hard of thinking show me where I have said Starmer should resign, his actions and pious hyprocrisy mean he has made his own position untenable for himself, I honestly don't care if he resigns or stays to have his own words and tweets thrown back in his face every day for months, if you ask me what I think is likely I would say its likely he will eventually resign and that will be both delicious and ridiculous as he is the man who made a story out of a non story for pure political posturing and thats why I said time for a new thread as Labour will change their leader before the tories do, so no hypocrisy thats you man Kier. Do you think Johnson and Sunak should resign? Obviously you would be a hypocrite if you thought they shouldn’t but Kier should. Also, why were you saying the name of the thread should change if you don’t want Starmer to resign? You either are stupid and don’t understand this thread is about the Labour leader. Or you are a hypocrite for not thinking Johnson, Sunak and Starmer should resign (if Starmer is indeed fined). But you won’t answer any of my questions will you. I actually think the fact Johnson wasn’t fined for sitting in his garden with colleagues and his wife and drinks (so mixing work and personal so had to be social) means that it is unlikely Starmer will be fined for this. It's groundoggyoggy day again I have not called for Starmer to resign so you whole question is an irrelevant strawman that has already been answered I don't think any of them should resign over such nonsense, it is however very likely due to Starmers pious musings over a number of months he will find himself in a position he will resign. Again I said time for a new thread not to rename this thread and that was to signify that the new revelations mean its more likely than not Labour will soon have a new leader even you can surely understand this, this story will go on and on, the papers will be checking the election expenses to see if all these costs were included on the electoral expense returns, more whistleblowers will come forward there is no way back because he made such a big deal of rules not being followed even when he did exactly the same if not worse. Your brilliant theory has a slight problem apart from the garden also being used for work on a daily basis its also their actual "home" garden so I think theres a slight problem with fining people for sitting in their own garden, the other people maybe but lets be clear starmer claimed to work during and after his curry, eyewitnesses say differently and that the local mp and her aides turned up just to get pissed so based on the Sunak threshold he's fucked and it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
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Post by followyoudown on May 8, 2022 11:00:27 GMT
It might help if you actually read the article its about the SNP would stop you looking foolish. You said the Good Law Project should investigate Starmer because they want to improve government processes. You don’t understand what the government is, and that Starmer isn’t part of it. Neither is the SNP. Anyway, answer the question. Should Johnson and Sunak resign over partygate? You are just making stuff up and making yourself look incredibly silly my reply is for all to see in response to particks post with the link to the article about the SNP and I dont even mention Starmer. And how many fucking times do you need me to type no one SHOULD resign that does not mean its increasingly likely Starmer will have to of course but you know thats life korma is a bitch
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on May 8, 2022 11:19:23 GMT
Do you think Johnson and Sunak should resign? Obviously you would be a hypocrite if you thought they shouldn’t but Kier should. Also, why were you saying the name of the thread should change if you don’t want Starmer to resign? You either are stupid and don’t understand this thread is about the Labour leader. Or you are a hypocrite for not thinking Johnson, Sunak and Starmer should resign (if Starmer is indeed fined). But you won’t answer any of my questions will you. I actually think the fact Johnson wasn’t fined for sitting in his garden with colleagues and his wife and drinks (so mixing work and personal so had to be social) means that it is unlikely Starmer will be fined for this. It's groundoggyoggy day again I have not called for Starmer to resign so you whole question is an irrelevant strawman that has already been answered I don't think any of them should resign over such nonsense, it is however very likely due to Starmers pious musings over a number of months he will find himself in a position he will resign. Again I said time for a new thread not to rename this thread and that was to signify that the new revelations mean its more likely than not Labour will soon have a new leader even you can surely understand this, this story will go on and on, the papers will be checking the election expenses to see if all these costs were included on the electoral expense returns, more whistleblowers will come forward there is no way back because he made such a big deal of rules not being followed even when he did exactly the same if not worse. Your brilliant theory has a slight problem apart from the garden also being used for work on a daily basis its also their actual "home" garden so I think theres a slight problem with fining people for sitting in their own garden, the other people maybe but lets be clear starmer claimed to work during and after his curry, eyewitnesses say differently and that the local mp and her aides turned up just to get pissed so based on the Sunak threshold he's fucked and it couldn't happen to a nicer guy. You talk about hypocrisy. When Johnson learned that there had been parties at Downing St he was 'furious'. He required Stratton to resign . He was then found to have been at a party himself and fined. If Starmer should resign for hypocrisy , why not Johnson?
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 8, 2022 11:29:45 GMT
Do you think Johnson and Sunak should resign? If not, there is no reasonable way you could think Starmer should resign. You cannot have meant for the name of this thread to change without wanting Starmer to resign. So unless you also think Johnson and Sunak should resign, you are a massive hypocrite. One rule for Tories, another for everyone else….sounds familiar! Again for the hard of thinking show me where I have said Starmer should resign, his actions and pious hyprocrisy mean he has made his own position untenable for himself, I honestly don't care if he resigns or stays to have his own words and tweets thrown back in his face every day for months, if you ask me what I think is likely I would say its likely he will eventually resign and that will be both delicious and ridiculous as he is the man who made a story out of a non story for pure political posturing and thats why I said time for a new thread as Labour will change their leader before the tories do, so no hypocrisy thats you man Kier. You don't think Johnson has made his own position untenable or are you still clinging to the laughable façade that he didn't know the events he attended were breaking the rules? Or do you think misleading Parliament, like bullying are no longer resigning matters for Conservative ministers?
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Post by oggyoggy on May 8, 2022 12:02:56 GMT
Do you think Johnson and Sunak should resign? Obviously you would be a hypocrite if you thought they shouldn’t but Kier should. Also, why were you saying the name of the thread should change if you don’t want Starmer to resign? You either are stupid and don’t understand this thread is about the Labour leader. Or you are a hypocrite for not thinking Johnson, Sunak and Starmer should resign (if Starmer is indeed fined). But you won’t answer any of my questions will you. I actually think the fact Johnson wasn’t fined for sitting in his garden with colleagues and his wife and drinks (so mixing work and personal so had to be social) means that it is unlikely Starmer will be fined for this. It's groundoggyoggy day again I have not called for Starmer to resign so you whole question is an irrelevant strawman that has already been answered I don't think any of them should resign over such nonsense, it is however very likely due to Starmers pious musings over a number of months he will find himself in a position he will resign. Again I said time for a new thread not to rename this thread and that was to signify that the new revelations mean its more likely than not Labour will soon have a new leader even you can surely understand this, this story will go on and on, the papers will be checking the election expenses to see if all these costs were included on the electoral expense returns, more whistleblowers will come forward there is no way back because he made such a big deal of rules not being followed even when he did exactly the same if not worse. Your brilliant theory has a slight problem apart from the garden also being used for work on a daily basis its also their actual "home" garden so I think theres a slight problem with fining people for sitting in their own garden, the other people maybe but lets be clear starmer claimed to work during and after his curry, eyewitnesses say differently and that the local mp and her aides turned up just to get pissed so based on the Sunak threshold he's fucked and it couldn't happen to a nicer guy. But do you think Johnson and Sunak should resign over Partygate?
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Post by oggyoggy on May 8, 2022 12:05:17 GMT
You said the Good Law Project should investigate Starmer because they want to improve government processes. You don’t understand what the government is, and that Starmer isn’t part of it. Neither is the SNP. Anyway, answer the question. Should Johnson and Sunak resign over partygate? You are just making stuff up and making yourself look incredibly silly my reply is for all to see in response to particks post with the link to the article about the SNP and I dont even mention Starmer. And how many fucking times do you need me to type no one SHOULD resign that does not mean its increasingly likely Starmer will have to of course but you know thats life korma is a bitch Why will Starmer have to if he is fined, when Johnson and Sunak haven’t? The precedent set by the PM is you don’t resign, even when you lie to Parliament. Obviously Starmer should resign if he is fined, as Johnson and Sunak should have done. Your logic is odd. You say Starmer will have to resign but don’t apply that logic to Johnson and Sunak it seems. Why not? Why should the leader of the opposition have more honesty and integrity than the chancellor and the PM? Particularly when it was them who made the rules they broke.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 8, 2022 12:08:44 GMT
Do you think Johnson and Sunak should resign? Obviously you would be a hypocrite if you thought they shouldn’t but Kier should. Also, why were you saying the name of the thread should change if you don’t want Starmer to resign? You either are stupid and don’t understand this thread is about the Labour leader. Or you are a hypocrite for not thinking Johnson, Sunak and Starmer should resign (if Starmer is indeed fined). But you won’t answer any of my questions will you. I actually think the fact Johnson wasn’t fined for sitting in his garden with colleagues and his wife and drinks (so mixing work and personal so had to be social) means that it is unlikely Starmer will be fined for this. It's groundoggyoggy day again I have not called for Starmer to resign so you whole question is an irrelevant strawman that has already been answered I don't think any of them should resign over such nonsense, it is however very likely due to Starmers pious musings over a number of months he will find himself in a position he will resign. Again I said time for a new thread not to rename this thread and that was to signify that the new revelations mean its more likely than not Labour will soon have a new leader even you can surely understand this, this story will go on and on, the papers will be checking the election expenses to see if all these costs were included on the electoral expense returns, more whistleblowers will come forward there is no way back because he made such a big deal of rules not being followed even when he did exactly the same if not worse. Your brilliant theory has a slight problem apart from the garden also being used for work on a daily basis its also their actual "home" garden so I think theres a slight problem with fining people for sitting in their own garden, the other people maybe but lets be clear starmer claimed to work during and after his curry, eyewitnesses say differently and that the local mp and her aides turned up just to get pissed so based on the Sunak threshold he's fucked and it couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Also not all the people photographed in the garden and sat with the PM live at no 10. If it was work, his wife shouldn’t have been there. If it was a social drink with members of his household then only members of his household should have been there.
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Post by Gob Bluth on May 8, 2022 12:13:09 GMT
In some ways it’s worse than Sunak and Johnson. Not because he’s spent ages saying that they have double standards or that they lie to the public. It’s because he knows what a complete bunch of shitehawkes this government are and he’s letting them back in. I believe all he largely needed to do was turn up at the next election and he’d stop this lot with their dodgy deals, lies and driving millions into poverty and he’s pissed it away. He’s not like them but this is such a monumental cock up he might as well be like them. Only if he is fined. If he cones out now and commits to resigning if he is fined, he will will the next election if he is not fined and Johnson and Sunak don’t resign. There are more similarities than just the drink. Forgetting Angela Rayner was there to try and downplay it, then on subsequent interviews refusing to answer whether the police were investigating. These contributed largely to the disgust I felt for the situation with Johnson, drawing the whole thing out. People misplaced their anger at the media for the drip-drip approach but it’s just because the politicians are liars. I didn’t need the police to tell me I’d been hoodwinked, the evidence sits there on its own. I’d be very happy if someone can tell me I’m misreading this though.
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 8, 2022 12:50:04 GMT
They are both untrustworthy lying bastards, Johnson has made a career of it. If they were both forced to resign over this, it would be the single finest day in UK Politics for over a decade.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 8, 2022 13:08:04 GMT
They are both untrustworthy lying bastards, Johnson has made a career of it. If they were both forced to resign over this, it would be the single finest day in UK Politics for over a decade. That’s exactly what Dorries and Johnson want you to think. “All are as bad as each other”. They aren’t though. Particularly if Starmer comes out now and says he will resign if he is fined. Eating whilst working is not the same as suitcases of booze and kareoke, or sexual assault convictions, or multiple lies to Parliament, or giving billions of tax payer funds to mates in the bame of covid and then not investigating it.
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 8, 2022 13:12:35 GMT
They are both untrustworthy lying bastards, Johnson has made a career of it. If they were both forced to resign over this, it would be the single finest day in UK Politics for over a decade. That’s exactly what Dorries and Johnson want you to think. “All are as bad as each other”. They aren’t though. Particularly if Starmer comes out now and says he will resign if he is fined. Eating whilst working is not the same as suitcases of booze and kareoke, or sexual assault convictions, or multiple lies to Parliament, or giving billions of tax payer funds to mates in the bame of covid and then not investigating it. I think eating and drinking on the campaign trial is less objectionable than a culture of do as I say, not as I do, which was (and is) prevalent in Downing Street. The lying and disregard for the public is exactly the same.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 8, 2022 13:16:27 GMT
That’s exactly what Dorries and Johnson want you to think. “All are as bad as each other”. They aren’t though. Particularly if Starmer comes out now and says he will resign if he is fined. Eating whilst working is not the same as suitcases of booze and kareoke, or sexual assault convictions, or multiple lies to Parliament, or giving billions of tax payer funds to mates in the bame of covid and then not investigating it. I think eating and drinking on the campaign trial is less objectionable than a culture of do as I say, not as I do, which was (and is) prevalent in Downing Street. The lying and disregard for the public is exactly the same. I guess we need to wait and see if the police fine him. If so, I agree with your last sentence.
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