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Post by followyoudown on May 8, 2020 17:16:08 GMT
I am genuinally shocked this is how corbyn meetings went, who'd have thought it they probably spent the first week or two arguing over the correct pronoun for the chair of the meeting. Old Charlie Falconer forgets that Starmer was front and centre in these meetings. On the one hand thats a bit like blaming Ryan for the way Nathan's team defended but on the other its actually a very good point, he knew exactly what Corbyn was but decided the jews were worth throwing under the bus if he could try and stop brexit, the cult blame him for losing the election and the ex-red wall wont trust the smarmy lawyer, worked out well for him. |
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Post by Widget123 on May 11, 2020 21:31:54 GMT
Politics aside I actually quite like Starmer as he's proved himself outside of the political spectrum - he's also clearly in a different league in terms of preparation for things than Johnson. It's going to be an interesting few years watching them argue stuff. I think Boris' jingoism is going to have to be sidelined slightly as he won't win quite so many debates by simply blustering as he could against Corbyn.
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Post by followyoudown on May 11, 2020 22:50:07 GMT
Politics aside I actually quite like Starmer as he's proved himself outside of the political spectrum - he's also clearly in a different league in terms of preparation for things than Johnson. It's going to be an interesting few years watching them argue stuff. I think Boris' jingoism is going to have to be sidelined slightly as he won't win quite so debates by simply blustering as he could against Corbyn. Letting off John Worboys, not going after Saville and the twitter joke trial is one of proving yourself outside of politics I guess. In a normal party you might be right but I'm not sure the loons in Labour will give him the 5 years to the next election if the Labour party itself lasts that long........ |
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Post by bathstoke on May 12, 2020 6:24:22 GMT
Politics aside I actually quite like Starmer as he's proved himself outside of the political spectrum - he's also clearly in a different league in terms of preparation for things than Johnson. It's going to be an interesting few years watching them argue stuff. I think Boris' jingoism is going to have to be sidelined slightly as he won't win quite so debates by simply blustering as he could against Corbyn. Letting off John Worboys, not going after Saville and the twitter joke trial is one of proving yourself outside of politics I guess. In a normal party you might be right but I'm not sure the loons in Labour will give him the 5 years to the next election if the Labour party itself lasts that long........ Yeah, cause being the fool of #HIGNFY, being a proven lier in print, spnuking £ms on a bridge too far & dangling off a zipwire are all fine... |
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Post by mrcoke on May 12, 2020 8:33:40 GMT
Politics aside I actually quite like Starmer as he's proved himself outside of the political spectrum - he's also clearly in a different league in terms of preparation for things than Johnson. It's going to be an interesting few years watching them argue stuff. I think Boris' jingoism is going to have to be sidelined slightly as he won't win quite so many debates by simply blustering as he could against Corbyn. I think Starmer's best approach is to keep calm, let Boris blow himself out and talk himself out of a job. Just keep making measured statements that don't upset anyone. Boris will say enough over the next 4 years for the press to expose his weaknesses and mistakes, and the public to get tired of all the jingoism and bluster. The biggest threat to Starmer is the Conservative Party get fed up of Boris and remove him before the next election like they did Thatcher and instate Gove who could retain the Tory vote better than Johnson. |
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Post by wagsastokie on May 12, 2020 9:03:48 GMT
Politics aside I actually quite like Starmer as he's proved himself outside of the political spectrum - he's also clearly in a different league in terms of preparation for things than Johnson. It's going to be an interesting few years watching them argue stuff. I think Boris' jingoism is going to have to be sidelined slightly as he won't win quite so many debates by simply blustering as he could against Corbyn. I think Starmer's best approach is to keep calm, let Boris blow himself out and talk himself out of a job. Just keep making measured statements that don't upset anyone. Boris will say enough over the next 4 years for the press to expose his weaknesses and mistakes, and the public to get tired of all the jingoism and bluster. The biggest threat to Starmer is the Conservative Party get fed up of Boris and remove him before the next election like they did Thatcher and instate Gove who could retain the Tory vote better than Johnson. That is the one thing in politics that you can be certain of if the tory Party think Boris will cost them the next election he will be removed in a calm orderly fashion |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on May 12, 2020 11:29:15 GMT
It's amazing how things have changed in such a short period of time. Boris is a good time PM and all of a sudden an uncharismatic, serious and boring politician is pretty much what we need at the moment.
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Post by Widget123 on May 12, 2020 19:23:16 GMT
Letting off John Worboys, not going after Saville and the twitter joke trial is one of proving yourself outside of politics I guess. In a normal party you might be right but I'm not sure the loons in Labour will give him the 5 years to the next election if the Labour party itself lasts that long........ The malicious stuff on social media about the Savile case is just a right wing smear campaign - I was more referring to the fact that he's not a career politician, we have too many of those in the Commons who are then given roles (if their party is in power) for which they have very little real world experience. Patel for example as Home Secretary, who has been notably absent since her ill advised brain fart about "low paid/low skilled workers" being unwanted in the UK in her new immigration policy and then this virus turning up and proving her wrong. She has almost zero qualifications for that role, much in the same way Gove messed up his time as Education Secretary as he really lacked any knowledge of the area. Boris is a chalk and cheese PM, he's a funny "jack t'lad" one minute then a blundering clown the next. He's not a career politician either instead he sees himself as an actor and he's hugely outside his comfort zone at the moment, when times are more straight forward he always plays up for the press and TV, trying to get them to focus on him rather than the issue at hand. That said he's more charismatic than Corbyn was ever going to be or Starmer unless he loosens his tie a bit. In the end though statistically which ever party is in charge during a crisis usually end up losing the next election as they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Although that's not an excuse for the embarrassingly stupid broadcast on Sunday night which any sane producer would have cropped down to 5 mins tops, kept the changes down to a very basic list and covered the bare essentials in a restricted way. Even more so given that they hadn't even finished writing the document at that point despite having the best part of a month or more to get a cascading frame work in place. Starmer rightly ripped it to shreds because that's basically what needed to be done as it wasn't fit for purpose. |
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Post by bathstoke on May 12, 2020 20:01:12 GMT
Letting off John Worboys, not going after Saville and the twitter joke trial is one of proving yourself outside of politics I guess. In a normal party you might be right but I'm not sure the loons in Labour will give him the 5 years to the next election if the Labour party itself lasts that long........ The malicious stuff on social media about the Savile case is just a right wing smear campaign - I was more referring to the fact that he's not a career politician, we have too many of those in the Commons who are then given roles (if their party is in power) for which they have very little real world experience. Patel for example as Home Secretary, who has been notably absent since her ill advised brain fart about "low paid/low skilled workers" being unwanted in the UK in her new immigration policy and then this virus turning up and proving her wrong. She has almost zero qualifications for that role, much in the same way Gove messed up his time as Education Secretary as he really lacked any knowledge of the area. Boris is a chalk and cheese PM, he's a funny "jack t'lad" one minute then a blundering clown the next. He's not a career politician either instead he sees himself as an actor and he's hugely outside his comfort zone at the moment, when times are more straight forward he always plays up for the press and TV, trying to get them to focus on him rather than the issue at hand. That said he's more charismatic than Corbyn was ever going to be or Starmer unless he loosens his tie a bit. In the end though statistically which ever party is in charge during a crisis usually end up losing the next election as they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Although that's not an excuse for the embarrassingly stupid broadcast on Sunday night which any sane producer would have cropped down to 5 mins tops, kept the changes down to a very basic list and covered the bare essentials in a restricted way. Even more so given that they hadn't even finished writing the document at that point despite having the best part of a month or more to get a cascading frame work in place. Starmer rightly ripped it to shreds because that's basically what needed to be done as it wasn't fit for purpose. WTF is this... I can’t believe we support the same team... |
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Post by Widget123 on May 12, 2020 20:15:19 GMT
The malicious stuff on social media about the Savile case is just a right wing smear campaign - I was more referring to the fact that he's not a career politician, we have too many of those in the Commons who are then given roles (if their party is in power) for which they have very little real world experience. Patel for example as Home Secretary, who has been notably absent since her ill advised brain fart about "low paid/low skilled workers" being unwanted in the UK in her new immigration policy and then this virus turning up and proving her wrong. She has almost zero qualifications for that role, much in the same way Gove messed up his time as Education Secretary as he really lacked any knowledge of the area. Boris is a chalk and cheese PM, he's a funny "jack t'lad" one minute then a blundering clown the next. He's not a career politician either instead he sees himself as an actor and he's hugely outside his comfort zone at the moment, when times are more straight forward he always plays up for the press and TV, trying to get them to focus on him rather than the issue at hand. That said he's more charismatic than Corbyn was ever going to be or Starmer unless he loosens his tie a bit. In the end though statistically which ever party is in charge during a crisis usually end up losing the next election as they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Although that's not an excuse for the embarrassingly stupid broadcast on Sunday night which any sane producer would have cropped down to 5 mins tops, kept the changes down to a very basic list and covered the bare essentials in a restricted way. Even more so given that they hadn't even finished writing the document at that point despite having the best part of a month or more to get a cascading frame work in place. Starmer rightly ripped it to shreds because that's basically what needed to be done as it wasn't fit for purpose. WTF is this... I can’t believe we support the same team... ?? |
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Post by LL Cool Dave on May 12, 2020 22:15:28 GMT
It's amazing how things have changed in such a short period of time. Boris is a good time PM and all of a sudden an uncharismatic, serious and boring politician is pretty much what we need at the moment. I'd love to go back to the time when we didnt know many politicians and everyone was boring as fuck. From when Spitting Image finished and Johnson emerged would do me. |
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Post by bathstoke on May 13, 2020 7:03:07 GMT
WTF is this... I can’t believe we support the same team... ?? Sorry, I seem to have responded to the wrong post😔 |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 14, 2020 15:47:48 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52653609Revealing indeed - seen some very similar comments on here about this from the usual right wing suspects who'll believe anything that fits their agenda, this one wasn't even on the side of a bus... 
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Post by thisisouryear on May 14, 2020 17:17:40 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52653609Revealing indeed - seen some very similar comments on here about this from the usual right wing suspects who'll believe anything that fits their agenda, this one wasn't even on the side of a bus... She should know better, any decent person would apologise. Let's see if she does. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on May 14, 2020 17:23:43 GMT
Politics aside I actually quite like Starmer as he's proved himself outside of the political spectrum - he's also clearly in a different league in terms of preparation for things than Johnson. It's going to be an interesting few years watching them argue stuff. I think Boris' jingoism is going to have to be sidelined slightly as he won't win quite so debates by simply blustering as he could against Corbyn. Letting off John Worboys, not going after Saville and the twitter joke trial is one of proving yourself outside of politics I guess. In a normal party you might be right but I'm not sure the loons in Labour will give him the 5 years to the next election if the Labour party itself lasts that long........ Quote astonishing that Government ministers are retweeting far right propaganda (all of which, is of course false) and despite deleting the tweet and going into hiding sorry does indeed seem to be the hardest word. In addition the amount of law experts that are now cropping up to discredit Starmers previous work is as certain as night follows day. Unless of course you are an expert in law at which point I'll happily listen to some more of this bollocks  |
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Post by thisisouryear on May 14, 2020 17:38:26 GMT
Letting off John Worboys, not going after Saville and the twitter joke trial is one of proving yourself outside of politics I guess. In a normal party you might be right but I'm not sure the loons in Labour will give him the 5 years to the next election if the Labour party itself lasts that long........ Quote astonishing that Government ministers are retweeting far right propaganda (all of which, is of course false) and despite deleting the tweet and going into hiding sorry does indeed seem to be the hardest word. In addition the amount of law experts that are now cropping up to discredit Starmers previous work is as certain as night follows day. Unless of course you are an expert in law at which point I'll happily listen to some more of this bollocks You would think she has more important things to do rather than trying to get dirt on Starmer. It should be all hands on deck not trying to find something to stick to Labour to draw the attention from their shit show. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on May 14, 2020 18:06:52 GMT
Quote astonishing that Government ministers are retweeting far right propaganda (all of which, is of course false) and despite deleting the tweet and going into hiding sorry does indeed seem to be the hardest word. In addition the amount of law experts that are now cropping up to discredit Starmers previous work is as certain as night follows day. Unless of course you are an expert in law at which point I'll happily listen to some more of this bollocks You would think she has more important things to do rather than trying to get dirt on Starmer. It should be all hands on deck not trying to find something to stick to Labour to draw the attention from their shit show. I would see it as a big win for Starmer actually. Immediately following her leaders disgraceful performance in PMQs yesterday something had to give today. The usual clowns will lap it up but those marginal voters will also be starting to see this shambles for what it is. |
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Post by thisisouryear on May 14, 2020 18:33:58 GMT
You would think she has more important things to do rather than trying to get dirt on Starmer. It should be all hands on deck not trying to find something to stick to Labour to draw the attention from their shit show. I would see it as a big win for Starmer actually. Immediately following her leaders disgraceful performance in PMQs yesterday something had to give today. The usual clowns will lap it up but those marginal voters will also be starting to see this shambles for what it is. Shit like that can destroy people's lives, she is the Mental Health minister and clearly digging up made up shite from a far right source is really worrying. She should be sacked in my opinion. Starmer is handling everything well at the moment, he only looks like he's in 1st gear too which is promising. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on May 14, 2020 18:50:32 GMT
I would see it as a big win for Starmer actually. Immediately following her leaders disgraceful performance in PMQs yesterday something had to give today. The usual clowns will lap it up but those marginal voters will also be starting to see this shambles for what it is. Shit like that can destroy people's lives, she is the Mental Health minister and clearly digging up made up shite from a far right source is really worrying. She should be sacked in my opinion. Starmer is handling everything well at the moment, he only looks like he's in 1st gear too which is promising. The issue is who sacks her? Ordinarily you would look to the highest office in the land but his record is so poor it would smack of hypocrisy. An apology in the HOC would do sufficiently for me. Would be interesting to get a fully paid up Torie viewpoint though. |
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on May 14, 2020 19:57:03 GMT
I find it quite amusing that a thread that was created to mock Kier Starmer has become something of a praisefest!
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Post by lordb on May 14, 2020 20:15:00 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52653609Revealing indeed - seen some very similar comments on here about this from the usual right wing suspects who'll believe anything that fits their agenda, this one wasn't even on the side of a bus... She should know better, any decent person would apologise. Let's see if she does. Not seen an apology yet. Anyone can make a mistake but when you do is it really that hard to say sorry? |
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Post by followyoudown on May 15, 2020 7:03:30 GMT
Letting off John Worboys, not going after Saville and the twitter joke trial is one of proving yourself outside of politics I guess. In a normal party you might be right but I'm not sure the loons in Labour will give him the 5 years to the next election if the Labour party itself lasts that long........ Quote astonishing that Government ministers are retweeting far right propaganda (all of which, is of course false) and despite deleting the tweet and going into hiding sorry does indeed seem to be the hardest word. In addition the amount of law experts that are now cropping up to discredit Starmers previous work is as certain as night follows day. Unless of course you are an expert in law at which point I'll happily listen to some more of this bollocks Oh I see the old Labour defence nothing is our fault it just happens when we are in charge whereas the tories are of course responsible if the procurement manager at great yarmouth hospital gets white bread instead of brown bread. |
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Post by bathstoke on May 15, 2020 7:28:53 GMT
I find it quite amusing that a thread that was created to mock Kier Starmer has become something of a praisefest! It’s also amusing that the perpetrator of the thread has, along with vacating his mind, vacated the building  |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 10:31:38 GMT
Letting off John Worboys, not going after Saville and the twitter joke trial is one of proving yourself outside of politics I guess. In a normal party you might be right but I'm not sure the loons in Labour will give him the 5 years to the next election if the Labour party itself lasts that long........ Quote astonishing that Government ministers are retweeting far right propaganda (all of which, is of course false) and despite deleting the tweet and going into hiding sorry does indeed seem to be the hardest word. In addition the amount of law experts that are now cropping up to discredit Starmers previous work is as certain as night follows day. Unless of course you are an expert in law at which point I'll happily listen to some more of this bollocks Labour centrists all over Twitter, in the PLP and in the media "This is a disgrace how can Starmer be smeared like this" The same people who engaged in the smearing of Jeremy Corbyn when Labour were ahead in the polls in 2017 and helped facilitate a Tory landslide. You have to laugh at the hypocrisy of it all, the lack of self awareness and the sheer entitlement seeps out of every pore....... |
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 15, 2020 10:54:39 GMT
The No 10 statement is absolutely priceless
"The MPs involved have been spoken to by the Whips’ Office and reminded of their responsibility to check the validity of information before they post on social media sites."
Not just the staggering hypocrisy about 'validity of information' but the fact that Caulfield is a fucking whip!
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Post by thevoid on May 15, 2020 11:06:55 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52653609Revealing indeed - seen some very similar comments on here about this from the usual right wing suspects who'll believe anything that fits their agenda, this one wasn't even on the side of a bus... It's almost as if the current Shadow Secretary for Community Cohesion doesn't have a history of offensive Tweets herself isn't it? In fact, her career seems to have blossomed after it. The left: do as we say not as we do 😎 |
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Post by lordb on May 15, 2020 11:37:29 GMT
Has she apologized yet?
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 15, 2020 12:08:05 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 15, 2020 14:50:59 GMT
I would see it as a big win for Starmer actually. Immediately following her leaders disgraceful performance in PMQs yesterday something had to give today. The usual clowns will lap it up but those marginal voters will also be starting to see this shambles for what it is. Shit like that can destroy people's lives, she is the Mental Health minister and clearly digging up made up shite from a far right source is really worrying. She should be sacked in my opinion. Starmer is handling everything well at the moment, he only looks like he's in 1st gear too which is promising. I hope so. He's exactly what this country needs - a leader in the middle ground who will chart that difficult course between allowing business and enterprise to flourish, while using the benefits of a healthy, well-regulated economy to improve the lives of ordinary people and the public services they depend upon. Not some over-privileged bluffing and blustering arsehole who makes it up as he goes along, treats it all as his birthright and a bit of a joke, safe in the knowledge that he's made for life anyway and will make even more once he steps down, nor some backbench agit-prop ex-Marxist campaigner who's spent far too long on the idealistic fringes to know what compromises would be necessary to successfully run anything, let alone a country. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2020 15:00:37 GMT
Shit like that can destroy people's lives, she is the Mental Health minister and clearly digging up made up shite from a far right source is really worrying. She should be sacked in my opinion. Starmer is handling everything well at the moment, he only looks like he's in 1st gear too which is promising. who will chart that difficult course between allowing business and enterprise to flourish, while using the benefits of a healthy, well-regulated economy to improve the lives of ordinary people and the public services they depend upon. Not some over-privileged bluffing and blustering arsehole who makes it up as he goes along, treats it all as his birthright and a bit of a joke, safe in the knowledge that he's made for life anyway and will make even more once he steps down, nor some backbench agit-prop ex-Marxist campaigner who's spent far too long on the idealistic fringes to know what compromises would be necessary to successfully run anything, let alone a country. This country needs real change. Ignore the sharp suit and "forensic" PMQ's and I don't know what Starmer stands for, nor what his vision for the party or the country is. At the moment we have no way of knowing whether he is what the country needs other than "he's not Boris Johnson" |
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