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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 5, 2021 7:46:32 GMT
I think this is basically right. Factor in the general level of apathy and political unawareness in the country, a press which overwhelmingly promotes right-wing politics and an obsession with characters and charisma over competence and it's not really surprising the basic default position of the electorate in England at least is to vote right-wing. If you put together the worst death toll in Europe, dozens of dodgy PPE deals, billions wasted on failed track and trace etc etc and the result is that enough people still manage to convince themselves that the alternative would be worse, you can only wonder what it'd take to change that view! So what you’re basically saying is if you vote Tory and not Labour you don’t have a clue. Ultimately it’s just people not sharing an opinion. Every parties going to make big mistakes and corruption that sadly is politicians for you. People it seems rarely go into politics for the right reasons even those involved in local councils it’s all about the ego. I’m sure that it Labour ever got into power you’d have the same “government-utter-shambles-incompetent” thread it’d be just other posters posting there views on it. Most people don't have a clue about politics, I think everyone would agree on that. I bet 9/10 people reading this thread (who are obviously interested in politics!) couldn't name the LD leader. That being the case, a superficial glance at who the political characters with charisma are is about enough for most people. Bluffer is funny, he's got mad hair, says stuff about watermelon smiles on darkies, gets stuck on zip lines, indirectly kills 125,000 people through having a shit response to a pandemic, but it doesn't matter, because I'm personally ok, and the press keep telling me how bad it'd be under the Communist jew-hater...
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 5, 2021 8:18:27 GMT
So what you’re basically saying is if you vote Tory and not Labour you don’t have a clue. Ultimately it’s just people not sharing an opinion. Every parties going to make big mistakes and corruption that sadly is politicians for you. People it seems rarely go into politics for the right reasons even those involved in local councils it’s all about the ego. I’m sure that it Labour ever got into power you’d have the same “government-utter-shambles-incompetent” thread it’d be just other posters posting there views on it. Most people don't have a clue about politics, I think everyone would agree on that. I bet 9/10 people reading this thread (who are obviously interested in politics!) couldn't name the LD leader. That being the case, a superficial glance at who the political characters with charisma are is about enough for most people. Bluffer is funny, he's got mad hair, says stuff about watermelon smiles on darkies, gets stuck on zip lines, indirectly kills 125,000 people through having a shit response to a pandemic, but it doesn't matter, because I'm personally ok, and the press keep telling me how bad it'd be under the Communist jew-hater... Ed Davy
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 5, 2021 8:38:19 GMT
So what you’re basically saying is if you vote Tory and not Labour you don’t have a clue. Ultimately it’s just people not sharing an opinion. Every parties going to make big mistakes and corruption that sadly is politicians for you. People it seems rarely go into politics for the right reasons even those involved in local councils it’s all about the ego. I’m sure that it Labour ever got into power you’d have the same “government-utter-shambles-incompetent” thread it’d be just other posters posting there views on it. Most people don't have a clue about politics, I think everyone would agree on that. I bet 9/10 people reading this thread (who are obviously interested in politics!) couldn't name the LD leader. That being the case, a superficial glance at who the political characters with charisma are is about enough for most people. Bluffer is funny, he's got mad hair, says stuff about watermelon smiles on darkies, gets stuck on zip lines, indirectly kills 125,000 people through having a shit response to a pandemic, but it doesn't matter, because I'm personally ok, and the press keep telling me how bad it'd be under the Communist jew-hater... Thank goodness we have people like you with an intimate and illuminated knowledge of politics to help the rest of us out.
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Post by elystokie on Mar 5, 2021 9:13:36 GMT
Most people don't have a clue about politics, I think everyone would agree on that. I bet 9/10 people reading this thread (who are obviously interested in politics!) couldn't name the LD leader. That being the case, a superficial glance at who the political characters with charisma are is about enough for most people. Bluffer is funny, he's got mad hair, says stuff about watermelon smiles on darkies, gets stuck on zip lines, indirectly kills 125,000 people through having a shit response to a pandemic, but it doesn't matter, because I'm personally ok, and the press keep telling me how bad it'd be under the Communist jew-hater... Ed Davy I didn't know, could have given me multi choice like on Millionaire and I'd have still needed lifelines
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 5, 2021 9:14:17 GMT
Most people don't have a clue about politics, I think everyone would agree on that. I bet 9/10 people reading this thread (who are obviously interested in politics!) couldn't name the LD leader. That being the case, a superficial glance at who the political characters with charisma are is about enough for most people. Bluffer is funny, he's got mad hair, says stuff about watermelon smiles on darkies, gets stuck on zip lines, indirectly kills 125,000 people through having a shit response to a pandemic, but it doesn't matter, because I'm personally ok, and the press keep telling me how bad it'd be under the Communist jew-hater... Thank goodness we have people like you with an intimate and illuminated knowledge of politics to help the rest of us out. You're welcome I never claimed to have that, but I'd happily bet that I know more than most simply as a result of being more interested than the vast majority. Same with you, presumably, regardless of whether we agree with each other. I'd wager that applies to pretty much any topic. Waga will know a shit load more about racing pigeons than you or I do for precisely the same reason. But then we don't care about racing pigeons, which is entirely the point I was making re politics.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 5, 2021 9:22:09 GMT
So what you’re basically saying is if you vote Tory and not Labour you don’t have a clue. Ultimately it’s just people not sharing an opinion. Every parties going to make big mistakes and corruption that sadly is politicians for you. People it seems rarely go into politics for the right reasons even those involved in local councils it’s all about the ego. I’m sure that it Labour ever got into power you’d have the same “government-utter-shambles-incompetent” thread it’d be just other posters posting there views on it. Most people don't have a clue about politics, I think everyone would agree on that. I bet 9/10 people reading this thread (who are obviously interested in politics!) couldn't name the LD leader. That being the case, a superficial glance at who the political characters with charisma are is about enough for most people. Bluffer is funny, he's got mad hair, says stuff about watermelon smiles on darkies, gets stuck on zip lines, indirectly kills 125,000 people through having a shit response to a pandemic, but it doesn't matter, because I'm personally ok, and the press keep telling me how bad it'd be under the Communist jew-hater... You have a very high opinion of yourself for someone who keeps backing losers, blaming Boris for the crimes of the Communist PRC government which have lead to the death of millions of people worldwide is pretty pathetic.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 5, 2021 9:24:18 GMT
Thank goodness we have people like you with an intimate and illuminated knowledge of politics to help the rest of us out. You're welcome I never claimed to have that, but I'd happily bet that I know more than most simply as a result of being more interested than the vast majority. Same with you, presumably, regardless of whether we agree with each other. I'd wager that applies to pretty much any topic. Waga will know a shit load more about racing pigeons than you or I do for precisely the same reason. But then we don't care about racing pigeons, which is entirely the point I was making re politics. #pigeonlivesmatter Funny enough just heading out to fetch my weekly copy of the British homing world
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 5, 2021 9:24:50 GMT
Most people don't know they've made any fuck ups. The level of political apathy in this country astounds me. I think they do I just think that they think the alternative will be a whole lot worse. The thought of a Labour government scares a lot of people even though Corbyn’s gone now a lot of his team remain a lot of whom are just too radical for most people to think they could be part of a party that form a government. I’m not saying it’s right but I think the majority of people vote Tory not because they particularly like them but because they’re scared of the damage that a Labour government could do and most people don’t like change. So part of what you say is probably right but don’t blame the Tories blame the Labour Party for making themselves unelectable for various reasons. A lot of it’s down to image and even though Johnson’s a clown and totally unsuitable leader material people like him as a person because he’s a big personality who’s got charisma. Lots of people vote Tory out of self interest, lets be fair. And that's absolutely their prerogative. What's the saying "If you're struggling vote for a better life for yourself, if you're doing well vote for a better life for others"
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 5, 2021 9:36:29 GMT
I think a pandemic works in favour of conservatism.
People naturally go conservative when there is a fear of something changing, or disrupting their lifestyle and also more nationalistic and self occupied.
Anything that makes they them feel more secure in days of insecurity. The last thing they want is change when their life is being exposed to change.
This is naturally a very conservative country and also a very deferential one towards those we think are better qualified to rule us, politicians and political advisors know this too, that's why politicians generally get away with murder in this country and convince us that things that benefit them, benefit us.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 5, 2021 10:03:36 GMT
You're welcome I never claimed to have that, but I'd happily bet that I know more than most simply as a result of being more interested than the vast majority. Same with you, presumably, regardless of whether we agree with each other. I'd wager that applies to pretty much any topic. Waga will know a shit load more about racing pigeons than you or I do for precisely the same reason. But then we don't care about racing pigeons, which is entirely the point I was making re politics. #pigeonlivesmatter Funny enough just heading out to fetch my weekly copy of the British homing world Do you still race them?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 5, 2021 10:04:04 GMT
I think a pandemic works in favour of conservatism. People naturally go conservative when there is a fear of something changing, or disrupting their lifestyle and also more nationalistic and self occupied. Anything that makes they them feel more secure in days of insecurity. The last thing they want is change when their life is being exposed to change. This is naturally a very conservative country and also a very deferential one towards those we think are better qualified to rule us, politicians and political advisors know this too, that's why politicians generally get away with murder in this country and convince us that things that benefit them, benefit us. Excellent post.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 5, 2021 10:08:08 GMT
Most people don't have a clue about politics, I think everyone would agree on that. I bet 9/10 people reading this thread (who are obviously interested in politics!) couldn't name the LD leader. That being the case, a superficial glance at who the political characters with charisma are is about enough for most people. Bluffer is funny, he's got mad hair, says stuff about watermelon smiles on darkies, gets stuck on zip lines, indirectly kills 125,000 people through having a shit response to a pandemic, but it doesn't matter, because I'm personally ok, and the press keep telling me how bad it'd be under the Communist jew-hater... You have a very high opinion of yourself for someone who keeps backing losers, blaming Boris for the crimes of the Communist PRC government which have lead to the death of millions of people worldwide is pretty pathetic. Erm, not sure how Bluffer mismanaging the pandemic compared to other countries with the result that we have the worst death toll in Europe and one of the worst death rates per million population in the world, is much to do with the Chinese government, irrespective of how it started or where By the same logic, the Communist PRC government has clearly done a cracking job in New Zealand!
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 5, 2021 10:12:19 GMT
#pigeonlivesmatter Funny enough just heading out to fetch my weekly copy of the British homing world Do you still race them? Yes season starts again in April ( bloody covid permitting) North road Scotland to Norfolk
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 5, 2021 10:23:50 GMT
Yes season starts again in April ( bloody covid permitting) North road Scotland to Norfolk How long does that take them?
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 5, 2021 11:02:26 GMT
You have a very high opinion of yourself for someone who keeps backing losers, blaming Boris for the crimes of the Communist PRC government which have lead to the death of millions of people worldwide is pretty pathetic. Erm, not sure how Bluffer mismanaging the pandemic compared to other countries with the result that we have the worst death toll in Europe and one of the worst death rates per million population in the world, is much to do with the Chinese government, irrespective of how it started or where By the same logic, the Communist PRC government has clearly done a cracking job in New Zealand! This "virus" was covered up, allowed to spread across the World, scientists imprisoned, evidence detroyed by the communist government of China, yes mistakes have been made by ours and many other governments but ultimately the PRC government has the blood of over 2 million people on their vile hands, they are ultimately responsible for this Worldwide carnage ably assisted by the Chinese centric WHO.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 5, 2021 11:07:29 GMT
Yes season starts again in April ( bloody covid permitting) North road Scotland to Norfolk How long does that take them? Obviously the wind and it’s direction makes a difference Shortest race is laceby ( Grimsby ) longest Lerwick (shetland) The winner in the last Lerwick race was doing over 60 mph average speed Lerwick to me is 526 miles mine unfortunately tend to be a bit slower
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Post by elystokie on Mar 5, 2021 13:31:28 GMT
How long does that take them? Obviously the wind and it’s direction makes a difference Shortest race is laceby ( Grimsby ) longest Lerwick (shetland) The winner in the last Lerwick race was doing over 60 mph average speed Lerwick to me is 126 miles mine unfortunately tend to be a bit slower Don't you mean Laceby to yours is 126 miles, unless you've moved? I'd say the Shetland Isles to East Anglia is a bit further than that, when I lived in East Anglia it seemed like it took 126 miles just to get out of the place!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 5, 2021 13:55:31 GMT
That's what I was thinking, Lerwick is miles away! Did you mean 621?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 5, 2021 13:58:16 GMT
Erm, not sure how Bluffer mismanaging the pandemic compared to other countries with the result that we have the worst death toll in Europe and one of the worst death rates per million population in the world, is much to do with the Chinese government, irrespective of how it started or where By the same logic, the Communist PRC government has clearly done a cracking job in New Zealand! This "virus" was covered up, allowed to spread across the World, scientists imprisoned, evidence detroyed by the communist government of China, yes mistakes have been made by ours and many other governments but ultimately the PRC government has the blood of over 2 million people on their vile hands, they are ultimately responsible for this Worldwide carnage ably assisted by the Chinese centric WHO. Quite possibly so, but since my point was about the mishandling of our own response to the crisis, (rather than blaming Boris for the "crimes" of the PRC as you stated), and you considered "pathetic" to lay any blame at Bluffer's door, I still fail to see what China has to do with other countries' individual responses, good and bad? Bad, in our case, sadly. I'm intrigued by your use of quotation marks around "virus". Do you not believe it's real?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 5, 2021 14:00:41 GMT
I think they do I just think that they think the alternative will be a whole lot worse. The thought of a Labour government scares a lot of people even though Corbyn’s gone now a lot of his team remain a lot of whom are just too radical for most people to think they could be part of a party that form a government. I’m not saying it’s right but I think the majority of people vote Tory not because they particularly like them but because they’re scared of the damage that a Labour government could do and most people don’t like change. So part of what you say is probably right but don’t blame the Tories blame the Labour Party for making themselves unelectable for various reasons. A lot of it’s down to image and even though Johnson’s a clown and totally unsuitable leader material people like him as a person because he’s a big personality who’s got charisma. Lots of people vote Tory out of self interest, lets be fair. And that's absolutely their prerogative. What's the saying "If you're struggling vote for a better life for yourself, if you're doing well vote for a better life for others" And that’s an excellent quote. Maybe people just don’t think that Labour are the party to do that. I certainly don’t think the Tories are but maybe they’re the lesser of 2 evils.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 5, 2021 15:45:34 GMT
Obviously the wind and it’s direction makes a difference Shortest race is laceby ( Grimsby ) longest Lerwick (shetland) The winner in the last Lerwick race was doing over 60 mph average speed Lerwick to me is 126 miles mine unfortunately tend to be a bit slower Don't you mean Laceby to yours is 126 miles, unless you've moved? I'd say the Shetland Isles to East Anglia is a bit further than that, when I lived in East Anglia it seemed like it took 126 miles just to get out of the place! Sorry Just corrected it I should of tapped a 5 not 1 526 miles to Lerwick form my back garden to the quayside in Lerwick In a straight line Laceby to me is 89 miles as the pigeon flies
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 5, 2021 15:47:39 GMT
Obviously the wind and it’s direction makes a difference Shortest race is laceby ( Grimsby ) longest Lerwick (shetland) The winner in the last Lerwick race was doing over 60 mph average speed Lerwick to me is 126 miles mine unfortunately tend to be a bit slower Don't you mean Laceby to yours is 126 miles, unless you've moved? I'd say the Shetland Isles to East Anglia is a bit further than that, when I lived in East Anglia it seemed like it took 126 miles just to get out of the place! I’ll agree on the time to get out I’m in the centre of Norfolk well a mile away And it takes a good forty minutes to get out of the county in any direction
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Post by elystokie on Mar 5, 2021 16:07:51 GMT
Don't you mean Laceby to yours is 126 miles, unless you've moved? I'd say the Shetland Isles to East Anglia is a bit further than that, when I lived in East Anglia it seemed like it took 126 miles just to get out of the place! I’ll agree on the time to get out I’m in the centre of Norfolk well a mile away And it takes a good forty minutes to get out of the county in any direction It shocked me just how long it took to get about the place when we first moved there, felt like bloody Texas, took over an hour to get to Norwich ffs.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 5, 2021 16:42:24 GMT
I’ll agree on the time to get out I’m in the centre of Norfolk well a mile away And it takes a good forty minutes to get out of the county in any direction It shocked me just how long it took to get about the place when we first moved there, felt like bloody Texas, took over an hour to get to Norwich ffs. The trouble is it doesn’t get much better when leaving three out of the four roads out are the A47 A17 and The A140 the latter two feeling like roads to nowhere
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Post by elystokie on Mar 5, 2021 18:08:19 GMT
It shocked me just how long it took to get about the place when we first moved there, felt like bloody Texas, took over an hour to get to Norwich ffs. The trouble is it doesn’t get much better when leaving three out of the four roads out are the A47 A17 and The A140 the latter two feeling like roads to nowhere The A10 was a particular 'favourite' of mine, especially when getting stuck behind a bloody tractor on my way to or from work, as well as that any incident whatsoever on that road and you're bollocksed. My nemesis when I worked in Thetford was the Shippea Hill crossing, could be sat there for 20 minutes for one train, piece of piss, quite incredible.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 5, 2021 18:21:41 GMT
The trouble is it doesn’t get much better when leaving three out of the four roads out are the A47 A17 and The A140 the latter two feeling like roads to nowhere The A10 was a particular 'favourite' of mine, especially when getting stuck behind a bloody tractor on my way to or from work, as well as that any incident whatsoever on that road and you're bollocksed. My nemesis when I worked in Thetford was the Shippea Hill crossing, could be sat there for 20 minutes for one train, piece of piss, quite incredible. Not my favourite place in Norfolk thetford the big bonus now though at least Norwich to Barton mills is duel carriage way The worst I find is the 17 and 140 single carriageway almost all the way to Newark and Ipswich respectively
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Post by elystokie on Mar 5, 2021 18:27:15 GMT
The A10 was a particular 'favourite' of mine, especially when getting stuck behind a bloody tractor on my way to or from work, as well as that any incident whatsoever on that road and you're bollocksed. My nemesis when I worked in Thetford was the Shippea Hill crossing, could be sat there for 20 minutes for one train, piece of piss, quite incredible. Not my favourite place in Norfolk thetford the big bonus now though at least Norwich to Barton mills is duel carriage way The worst I find is the 17 and 140 single carriageway almost all the way to Newark and Ipswich respectively I thankfully managed to largely avoid them apart from the odd works golf day and football matches.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 12, 2021 9:29:38 GMT
Meanwhile in La La Land, you know that Sir Kier a man of principle and zero tolerance will sack Beckett for this, in this week of all weeks wont he?
Wont he? I mean he's going to look a right hypocritical twat if he doesn't.
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 12, 2021 9:37:06 GMT
Meanwhile in La La Land, you know that Sir Kier a man of principle and zero tolerance will sack Beckett for this, in this week of all weeks wont he? Wont he? I mean he's going to look a right hypocritical twat if he doesn't. More or less hypocritical than you who are mortally offended a woman being called a stupid cow but never worried about voting for ira supporters who repeated comments about lynching Ester Mcvey ?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 12, 2021 9:52:45 GMT
Meanwhile in La La Land, you know that Sir Kier a man of principle and zero tolerance will sack Beckett for this, in this week of all weeks wont he? Wont he? I mean he's going to look a right hypocritical twat if he doesn't. More or less hypocritical than you who are mortally offended a woman being called a stupid cow but never worried about voting for ira supporters who repeated comments about lynching Ester Mcvey ? I am merely awaiting that man of principle, Sir Keith's response with bated breath. I think we may have heard something by now if it was Pidcock calling Beckett a cow. Maybe he's busy? By the way, you don't really want me to list the crimes of some of the twats you defend with your last breath do you, fyd? 😀
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