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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 24, 2024 18:42:43 GMT
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Post by riverman on Nov 24, 2024 18:51:26 GMT
A petition calling for a general election was started yesterday its now at 400k, with 75k signatures per hour. It will be difficult to ignore if it carrys on at this rate. petition.parliament.uk/petitions/700143It's now over a million signatures. Totally unprecedented and sends a clear message to the government. Of course they'll completely ignore it but at least feelings have been shown. |
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Post by riverman on Nov 24, 2024 18:53:55 GMT
This makes for interesting viewing even if it is a bit " no shit Sherlock"
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Post by 4372 on Nov 24, 2024 18:59:03 GMT
You must be very young In 2019 a petition to revoke Article 50 and remain in EU received more than 4M signatories within 48 Hours and over 6M in total. That went well There will be an Election in 5 years time and people can make there choice then, Starmer is going nowhere. I agree with you.  It's also the case that 5 months later there was a GE when c. 47 million voted, mainly by getting off their backsides and going to a polling booth, and Johnson won a resounding majority of seats on a " Get Brexit done" campaign. Which really goes to show how "push button/tap 'phone" petitions and opinion polls are not worth the paper they are not written on. Of course, 47 million people did not vote in the 2019 General Election. About 32 million voted. |
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 24, 2024 20:37:38 GMT
I agree with you. It's also the case that 5 months later there was a GE when c. 47 million voted, mainly by getting off their backsides and going to a polling booth, and Johnson won a resounding majority of seats on a " Get Brexit done" campaign. Which really goes to show how "push button/tap 'phone" petitions and opinion polls are not worth the paper they are not written on. Of course, 47 million people did not vote in the 2019 General Election. About 32 million voted. I stand corrected and quoted the electorate and missed it was the lowest turn out in decades. |
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 24, 2024 21:02:50 GMT
It's now over a million signatures. Totally unprecedented and sends a clear message to the government. Of course they'll completely ignore it but at least feelings have been shown. Hypothetically though, if a new GE was called, who’d get in? I think Reform would win most new seats as they were second in a lot of areas. |
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Post by Dave the Rave on Nov 24, 2024 21:27:09 GMT
It's now over a million signatures. Totally unprecedented and sends a clear message to the government. Of course they'll completely ignore it but at least feelings have been shown. Didn't the petition for a second referendum on Brexit get something like 5 million signatures? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 24, 2024 21:28:03 GMT
It's now over a million signatures. Totally unprecedented and sends a clear message to the government. Of course they'll completely ignore it but at least feelings have been shown. Didn't the petition for a second referendum on Brexit get something like 5 million signatures? You can’t beat a bit of lefty whataboutery🤣 |
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Post by Dave the Rave on Nov 24, 2024 21:31:19 GMT
Didn't the petition for a second referendum on Brexit get something like 5 million signatures? You can’t beat a bit of lefty whataboutery🤣 Proves that it isn't 'unprecedented'. Hilarious that you think I'm a "lefty" too. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 24, 2024 21:32:22 GMT
You can’t beat a bit of lefty whataboutery🤣 Proves that it isn't 'unprecedented'. Hilarious that you think I'm a "lefty" too. I don’t tbf mate. I just couldn’t be arsed to edit it |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Nov 24, 2024 22:07:36 GMT
It's now over a million signatures. Totally unprecedented and sends a clear message to the government. Of course they'll completely ignore it but at least feelings have been shown. Hypothetically though, if a new GE was called, who’d get in? I think Reform would win most new seats as they were second in a lot of areas. Reform projected to win 16 seats . |
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Post by riverman on Nov 24, 2024 22:41:10 GMT
It's now over a million signatures. Totally unprecedented and sends a clear message to the government. Of course they'll completely ignore it but at least feelings have been shown. Didn't the petition for a second referendum on Brexit get something like 5 million signatures? Was thinking more along the lines of it being a government that's only been in office for such a short time. Most governments get a honeymoon period, these haven't had one at all. If I'm wrong I'll stand to be corrected. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 24, 2024 23:34:22 GMT
How can anyone think Starmer isn't a massive cunt? How can anyone think Rachel from accounts isn't totally useless?
I suppose it's an interesting question. What on earth would happen if we had an election in 4 weeks time? Reform would win shit loads of seats and the Tories would inevitably win more than they did in the summer but would Starmer win again?
It would be the most unknown, unpredictable election in decades.
Why would anyone vote Labour or Conservative?
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Post by wannabee on Nov 25, 2024 1:51:07 GMT
How can anyone think Starmer isn't a massive cunt? How can anyone think Rachel from accounts isn't totally useless? I suppose it's an interesting question. What on earth would happen if we had an election in 4 weeks time? Reform would win shit loads of seats and the Tories would inevitably win more than they did in the summer but would Starmer win again? It would be the most unknown, unpredictable election in decades. Why would anyone vote Labour or Conservative?  |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Nov 25, 2024 5:01:59 GMT
The net zero gravy train. Anyone found that 41bn yet 😆 Is there a big enough bed for them all to be in together? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 25, 2024 7:52:53 GMT
How can anyone think Starmer isn't a massive cunt? How can anyone think Rachel from accounts isn't totally useless? I suppose it's an interesting question. What on earth would happen if we had an election in 4 weeks time? Reform would win shit loads of seats and the Tories would inevitably win more than they did in the summer but would Starmer win again? It would be the most unknown, unpredictable election in decades. Why would anyone vote Labour or Conservative? I don’t care if our politicians are cunts. I just want them to do their job well. Policies not personality. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 25, 2024 8:28:21 GMT
How can anyone think Starmer isn't a massive cunt? How can anyone think Rachel from accounts isn't totally useless? I suppose it's an interesting question. What on earth would happen if we had an election in 4 weeks time? Reform would win shit loads of seats and the Tories would inevitably win more than they did in the summer but would Starmer win again? It would be the most unknown, unpredictable election in decades. Why would anyone vote Labour or Conservative? I don’t care if our politicians are cunts. I just want them to do their job well. Policies not personality. I agree, but if they are both cunts AND not doing their job very well, then that's not a great situation for the British people is it? Come on oggy, you can't honestly think this mob are doing a remotely acceptable job at the moment. They are dire. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 25, 2024 8:42:36 GMT
I don’t care if our politicians are cunts. I just want them to do their job well. Policies not personality. I agree, but if they are both cunts AND not doing their job very well, then that's not a great situation for the British people is it? Come on oggy, you can't honestly think this mob are doing a remotely acceptable job at the moment. They are dire. They are a massive improvement on anything we have seen for about 15 years. Not saying much I know. Taxing richer people a bit more, investing in public services, reducing nhs waiting times, trying to do something about high energy prices rather than continue the status quo, making renting fairer, stopping the massive waste of money that was the Rwanda scheme, actually deporting people whose asylum claims are rejected, stopping riots reasonably quickly, abolishing hereditary peers, free vote on assisted dying So they have done lots of good things. Some not so good (too low threshold for winter fuel allowance, not going further on some of the above). Lots we wait and see - growth plans and house building. They are so much better than recent governments that’s for sure. An improvement so far. But they have only been in power a short time so it could all go badly or well. We need to wait and see. |
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 25, 2024 11:22:17 GMT
I agree, but if they are both cunts AND not doing their job very well, then that's not a great situation for the British people is it? Come on oggy, you can't honestly think this mob are doing a remotely acceptable job at the moment. They are dire. They are a massive improvement on anything we have seen for about 15 years. Not saying much I know. Taxing richer people a bit more, investing in public services, reducing nhs waiting times, trying to do something about high energy prices rather than continue the status quo, making renting fairer, stopping the massive waste of money that was the Rwanda scheme, actually deporting people whose asylum claims are rejected, stopping riots reasonably quickly, abolishing hereditary peers, free vote on assisted dying So they have done lots of good things. Some not so good (too low threshold for winter fuel allowance, not going further on some of the above). Lots we wait and see - growth plans and house building. They are so much better than recent governments that’s for sure. An improvement so far. But they have only been in power a short time so it could all go badly or well. We need to wait and see. Opinion Polls and near enough everyone bar the champagne socialists would disagree. I noticed Huddy slagging off Blackrock above. No doubt he's got a pension and if so has his greasy mits all over Blackrock and its assets. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 25, 2024 11:25:57 GMT
Andi Peters(yes Andi Peters) giving the useless cnut a hard time on TV right now
Just laughed off the fact that over 2 million have signed a petition🤔He won’t last 2 years as leader
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Post by salopstick on Nov 25, 2024 11:26:22 GMT
It's now over a million signatures. Totally unprecedented and sends a clear message to the government. Of course they'll completely ignore it but at least feelings have been shown. we are with these lot for a long time, reform wont and cant win all they can do is split the tory vote labour and tory dont want PR so nothing will change However I dont believe Farage will ever be PM but I can see him defecting to tory before the next election |
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Post by Dave the Rave on Nov 25, 2024 11:28:29 GMT
I agree, but if they are both cunts AND not doing their job very well, then that's not a great situation for the British people is it? Come on oggy, you can't honestly think this mob are doing a remotely acceptable job at the moment. They are dire. They are a massive improvement on anything we have seen for about 15 years. Not saying much I know. Taxing richer people a bit more, investing in public services, reducing nhs waiting times, trying to do something about high energy prices rather than continue the status quo, making renting fairer, stopping the massive waste of money that was the Rwanda scheme, actually deporting people whose asylum claims are rejected, stopping riots reasonably quickly, abolishing hereditary peers, free vote on assisted dying So they have done lots of good things. Some not so good (too low threshold for winter fuel allowance, not going further on some of the above). Lots we wait and see - growth plans and house building. They are so much better than recent governments that’s for sure. An improvement so far. But they have only been in power a short time so it could all go badly or well. We need to wait and see. This is broadly where I am. So far the signs are positive and it's nice to feel like we have a government who aren't punching down any more. The wealthy are doing their best to convince the electorate that taxing those with the broadest shoulders isn't the right thing to do but I think most people can see through that. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 25, 2024 11:46:33 GMT
They are a massive improvement on anything we have seen for about 15 years. Not saying much I know. Taxing richer people a bit more, investing in public services, reducing nhs waiting times, trying to do something about high energy prices rather than continue the status quo, making renting fairer, stopping the massive waste of money that was the Rwanda scheme, actually deporting people whose asylum claims are rejected, stopping riots reasonably quickly, abolishing hereditary peers, free vote on assisted dying So they have done lots of good things. Some not so good (too low threshold for winter fuel allowance, not going further on some of the above). Lots we wait and see - growth plans and house building. They are so much better than recent governments that’s for sure. An improvement so far. But they have only been in power a short time so it could all go badly or well. We need to wait and see. This is broadly where I am. So far the signs are positive and it's nice to feel like we have a government who aren't punching down any more. The wealthy are doing their best to convince the electorate that taxing those with the broadest shoulders isn't the right thing to do but I think most people can see through that. I have no problem with raising the minimum wage but what that does is mean a whole host of pay rises for people above that wage - (eg your £1 above minum wage staff will always want to be £1 above due to role, experience, skills etc) this costs business - This is what it is as soon as you then make these people pay more NI it hurts business and will lead to less investmest, less job growth and less wages rises not all these employers are the wealthy I dont agree with the statement that labour are taxing richer people more - they are taxing business more www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33ek51rx57o |
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 25, 2024 12:36:54 GMT
This is broadly where I am. So far the signs are positive and it's nice to feel like we have a government who aren't punching down any more. The wealthy are doing their best to convince the electorate that taxing those with the broadest shoulders isn't the right thing to do but I think most people can see through that. I have no problem with raising the minimum wage but what that does is mean a whole host of pay rises for people above that wage - (eg your £1 above minum wage staff will always want to be £1 above due to role, experience, skills etc) this costs business - This is what it is as soon as you then make these people pay more NI it hurts business and will lead to less investmest, less job growth and less wages rises not all these employers are the wealthy I dont agree with the statement that labour are taxing richer people more - they are taxing business more www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33ek51rx57oChanges to IHT, CGT, non-doms and VAT on school fees will impact the richer in society rather than the poorer. Keeping the freeze on income tax thresholds taxes workers more already. So I am glad businesses are shouldering the extra pain rather than workers. Some will no doubt go bust. That’s sad. But money is needed to make good (or at least halt) the devastation on our public services that we have had for the past 15 years. |
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Post by phileetin on Nov 25, 2024 12:47:22 GMT
Idiot , you refer to workers, haven't you read that businesses are going to shed laods of jobs as a result of the budget .
theeves reeves has just given employers a good excuse to get rid of jobs AI will replace most of them in due course .
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Post by Gawa on Nov 25, 2024 12:58:41 GMT
I have no problem with raising the minimum wage but what that does is mean a whole host of pay rises for people above that wage - (eg your £1 above minum wage staff will always want to be £1 above due to role, experience, skills etc) this costs business - This is what it is as soon as you then make these people pay more NI it hurts business and will lead to less investmest, less job growth and less wages rises not all these employers are the wealthy I dont agree with the statement that labour are taxing richer people more - they are taxing business more www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33ek51rx57oChanges to IHT, CGT, non-doms and VAT on school fees will impact the richer in society rather than the poorer. Keeping the freeze on income tax thresholds taxes workers more already. So I am glad businesses are shouldering the extra pain rather than workers. Some will no doubt go bust. That’s sad. But money is needed to make good (or at least halt) the devastation on our public services that we have had for the past 15 years. The problem is I'm not sure if the taxes are correctly targeted. The fact that criticism of the inheritance tax on agricultural land is often rebutted with people listing various tricks to avoid it doesn't really give any confidence in the tax itself. Especially as I presume the wealthiest will be most intuned in the various tricks which they can use to avoid it or at least lesser their tax requirements. The tax book itself needs radically overhauled to clamp down on the various loopholes which allow the wealthiest to avoid their tax requirements. So in a sense it feels like gesture politics because celebrating a tax change and then responding to criticism on said tax change with ways to avoid it (even the bbc are listing how to avoid it) feels counter intuitive. How does it increase the tax of someone such as Jim Ratcliffe residing in Monaco? How will it impact Leonard Blavatnik? Are we going to be saying vast amounts of their wealth be taxed when they die? The cynic in me doubts it because the tax book enables it to be avoided and they'll have the best accountants ensuring they pay as little as possible. Will the accidental millionaire farmer who makes a modest living as a dairy farmer on a small farm be quite so smart or have the disposibal income or time to be able to utilise tax experts to lower their tax requirements? I doubt it. And so... it feels slightly like gesture politics. A key thing people forget about those who inherit agricultural land compared to residential property are the retention rates. Agricultural land is mostly retained whereas residential property is often sold. So for generational families who have become millionaires due to the value of their land which is likely outside their control... this will impact them. Especially those who have no intention of ever selling the land and just want to work it like their ancestors. Of course I'm much more cynical than others here. But I expect to foresee retention levels of agricultural land dropping and not because of a sudden urge to sell but instead because their hand has been forced. And I don't think it will be the average person who benefits from that. |
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Post by salopstick on Nov 25, 2024 13:00:10 GMT
I have no problem with raising the minimum wage but what that does is mean a whole host of pay rises for people above that wage - (eg your £1 above minum wage staff will always want to be £1 above due to role, experience, skills etc) this costs business - This is what it is as soon as you then make these people pay more NI it hurts business and will lead to less investmest, less job growth and less wages rises not all these employers are the wealthy I dont agree with the statement that labour are taxing richer people more - they are taxing business more www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33ek51rx57oChanges to IHT, CGT, non-doms and VAT on school fees will impact the richer in society rather than the poorer. Keeping the freeze on income tax thresholds taxes workers more already. So I am glad businesses are shouldering the extra pain rather than workers. Some will no doubt go bust. That’s sad. But money is needed to make good (or at least halt) the devastation on our public services that we have had for the past 15 years. if they go bust then that money goes down "changes to IHT, CGT, non-doms and VAT on school fees will impact the richer in society rather than the poorer. " not as much as wealth and higher income taxes to the uper wealthy who you say can shoulder the extra pain all their tax rises and spending cuts are aimed at traditionally likley tory voters, it was an absolute political choice to go after these people but without the bollocks to admit it |
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 25, 2024 13:20:58 GMT
They are a massive improvement on anything we have seen for about 15 years. Not saying much I know. Taxing richer people a bit more, investing in public services, reducing nhs waiting times, trying to do something about high energy prices rather than continue the status quo, making renting fairer, stopping the massive waste of money that was the Rwanda scheme, actually deporting people whose asylum claims are rejected, stopping riots reasonably quickly, abolishing hereditary peers, free vote on assisted dying So they have done lots of good things. Some not so good (too low threshold for winter fuel allowance, not going further on some of the above). Lots we wait and see - growth plans and house building. They are so much better than recent governments that’s for sure. An improvement so far. But they have only been in power a short time so it could all go badly or well. We need to wait and see. Opinion Polls and near enough everyone bar the champagne socialists would disagree. I noticed Huddy slagging off Blackrock above. No doubt he's got a pension and if so has his greasy mits all over Blackrock and its assets. No fan of Starmer (as those who pay attention already know) but a poll conducted the other days shows they'd still get in with a 40 seat majority. So like most things you're wrong again, marra. |
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Post by emretezzy on Nov 25, 2024 13:32:09 GMT
Opinion Polls and near enough everyone bar the champagne socialists would disagree. I noticed Huddy slagging off Blackrock above. No doubt he's got a pension and if so has his greasy mits all over Blackrock and its assets. No fan of Starmer (as those who pay attention already know) but a poll conducted the other days shows they'd still get in with a 40 seat majority. So like most things you're wrong again, marra. Lefty Twitter link or it didn't happen. |
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Post by wannabee on Nov 25, 2024 14:11:06 GMT
Changes to IHT, CGT, non-doms and VAT on school fees will impact the richer in society rather than the poorer. Keeping the freeze on income tax thresholds taxes workers more already. So I am glad businesses are shouldering the extra pain rather than workers. Some will no doubt go bust. That’s sad. But money is needed to make good (or at least halt) the devastation on our public services that we have had for the past 15 years. The problem is I'm not sure if the taxes are correctly targeted. The fact that criticism of the inheritance tax on agricultural land is often rebutted with people listing various tricks to avoid it doesn't really give any confidence in the tax itself. Especially as I presume the wealthiest will be most intuned in the various tricks which they can use to avoid it or at least lesser their tax requirements. The tax book itself needs radically overhauled to clamp down on the various loopholes which allow the wealthiest to avoid their tax requirements. So in a sense it feels like gesture politics because celebrating a tax change and then responding to criticism on said tax change with ways to avoid it (even the bbc are listing how to avoid it) feels counter intuitive. How does it increase the tax of someone such as Jim Ratcliffe residing in Monaco? How will it impact Leonard Blavatnik? Are we going to be saying vast amounts of their wealth be taxed when they die? The cynic in me doubts it because the tax book enables it to be avoided and they'll have the best accountants ensuring they pay as little as possible. Will the accidental millionaire farmer who makes a modest living as a dairy farmer on a small farm be quite so smart or have the disposibal income or time to be able to utilise tax experts to lower their tax requirements? I doubt it. And so... it feels slightly like gesture politics. A key thing people forget about those who inherit agricultural land compared to residential property are the retention rates. Agricultural land is mostly retained whereas residential property is often sold. So for generational families who have become millionaires due to the value of their land which is likely outside their control... this will impact them. Especially those who have no intention of ever selling the land and just want to work it like their ancestors. Of course I'm much more cynical than others here. But I expect to foresee retention levels of agricultural land dropping and not because of a sudden urge to sell but instead because their hand has been forced. And I don't think it will be the average person who benefits from that. They aren't "Tricks" they are Allowances available to everyone that inherits from an Estate, the concession to those inheriting Land is that the Tax Rate is 20% not 40% The calculations I and others have shown is to demonstrate that it is only the wealthiest will pay any Tax. You are being rather dismissive of small Dairy Farmers ability to understand a very simple concept The allowances are deliberately set at a level that the transition of genuine family farms is not disrupted This loophole was introduced by Thatcher that NO TAX would be paid on inheriting land which is why people like Dyson have purchased thousands of acres which drives up the price of land so Tenant Farmers continue to rent. The change to IHT is estimated to cost his Estate £120M www.ft.com/content/e013bfdf-848a-4891-8d4f-1e4aff04985aJim Ratcliffe can choose to live anywhere in the World and become tax resident there. Anything he earns in UK will be Taxed in UK, I expect he has organised to earn little or nothing in UK which is why Wealth Taxes are ineffective. If he owns land in UK his Estate will now pay IHT, Land can't move. |
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