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Post by wannabee on Sept 13, 2024 0:44:26 GMT
The moniker “Sir” doesn’t exactly scream “man of the people”. But yeh he’s a total megalomaniac, I fear for our children (and pensioners) 600 million to Ukraine while letting old British pensioners freeze. It ain't great optics is it? ☃️ Have they sent the bloke who knocked out the female police officer at Manchester Airport to jail yet? Presumably he will serve a pretty long sentence given middle aged carer Julie Sweeney (with no criminal record) is in a cell for 15 months for a tweet. Starmageddon is well and truly here 🤢 When did Government take over the Judiciary and Penal System?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 13, 2024 1:25:36 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Sept 13, 2024 6:52:44 GMT
They spelt William Rees Mogg wrong oh hang on
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 13, 2024 6:55:01 GMT
De-selecting traditional left wingers for sure but very much opening the door to the new "liberal left". Two very different characters and the latter being far more unpleasant. I'm still yet to meet anyone on the right or left who likes Starmer. Aside from his crap politics he's just not a likeable guy is he? The moniker “Sir” doesn’t exactly scream “man of the people”. But yeh he’s a total megalomaniac, I fear for our children (and pensioners) The Mrs decided she wanted to email starmer about the timing of the means testing of the WFA. She googled his address and was met with the UK Parliament website saying starmer is to be addressed as Sir Kier Starmer in any correspondence, what a self serving prick. Not surprisingly after a few expletives she didn’t send anything.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 13, 2024 7:07:28 GMT
600 million to Ukraine while letting old British pensioners freeze. It ain't great optics is it? ☃️ Have they sent the bloke who knocked out the female police officer at Manchester Airport to jail yet? Presumably he will serve a pretty long sentence given middle aged carer Julie Sweeney (with no criminal record) is in a cell for 15 months for a tweet. Starmageddon is well and truly here 🤢 When did Government take over the Judiciary and Penal System? That's a good question. I'd say about 6 weeks ago? Pretty much by his own admission as well.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 13, 2024 7:10:58 GMT
600 million to Ukraine while letting old British pensioners freeze. It ain't great optics is it? ☃️ Have they sent the bloke who knocked out the female police officer at Manchester Airport to jail yet? Presumably he will serve a pretty long sentence given middle aged carer Julie Sweeney (with no criminal record) is in a cell for 15 months for a tweet. Starmageddon is well and truly here 🤢 When did Government take over the Judiciary and Penal System? 4 weeks ago apparently
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Post by 4372 on Sept 13, 2024 7:23:43 GMT
It seems that a few people don't like the result of the recent election. Just for balance, Boris Johnson was, by a country mile, the person most unsuited to the position of Prime Minister and leader of the UK, in the last 300 years. Liz Truss crashed the economy. The Tories lost the last election all by themselves. May they never come back.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 13, 2024 7:26:01 GMT
I'm still yet to meet anyone on the right or left who likes Starmer. Aside from his crap politics he's just not a likeable guy is he? I reckon Starmer is set to be the most universally reviled sitting PM in my lifetime. Blair is fairly universally hated but much of that was retrospective. Maybe starmer is just making a self-sacrificial masterstroke to finally unite the left and the right? Thatcher, Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak pass you by mate?
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 13, 2024 7:30:27 GMT
It seems that a few people don't like the result of the recent election. Just for balance, Boris Johnson was, by a country mile, the person most unsuited to the position of Prime Minister and leader of the UK, in the last 300 years. Liz Truss crashed the economy. The Tories lost the last election all by themselves. May they never come back. I would say the majority of people in the country didn’t like the result of the election Hence starmer’s low vote share But that’s life we will just have to tolerate Starmer and his lickspittle cronies and his sycophantic supporters fucking the voters over At least it’s only going to be five years at most
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 13, 2024 7:32:03 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 13, 2024 7:37:10 GMT
I disagree. He is a significant improvement on what came before. It is more like he has taken over at half time, and we are 10-0 down and it is now 11-2. He dealt with the riots very well unquestionably. He totally shut them down. He is absolutely right to means test benefits (I don’t think at the right level which isn’t so good), the rent reform bill has been significantly improved. And that’s about it. Everything else is speculation about what he might do. I couldn't disagree more mate. I thought he handled the riots particularly badly and added fuel to an already raging fire. Many more riots to come during his tenure, rest assured. I agree with you on the 10-0 down bit (Blair and Brown cost them 5 of those) , but he's definitely at least 13-0 behind now 😉 Starmer is a bit of an Alex Neil really. Pretty shit at the job, dour, shit with money AND not very likeable. If I were Starmer, I’d keep my mouth shut and just get on with the job. It is when he opens his mouth people seem to dislike him. But his actual actions have been good in my opinion. You obviously are a fan of universal income which is why you don’t want benefits to be means tested (given you generally are right of centre I am surprised by that but perhaps you are a secret Marxist). Aside from that, what changes has Starmer made that you think are bad? He is mostly just fire fighting and trying to restore order and sense to the public sectors which he is doing according to those who work in them it seems.
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 13, 2024 7:44:06 GMT
The moniker “Sir” doesn’t exactly scream “man of the people”. But yeh he’s a total megalomaniac, I fear for our children (and pensioners) The Mrs decided she wanted to email starmer about the timing of the means testing of the WFA. She googled his address and was met with the UK Parliament website saying starmer is to be addressed as Sir Kier Starmer in any correspondence, what a self serving prick. Not surprisingly after a few expletives she didn’t send anything. View AttachmentI assume you don’t like being addressed as Mr then! Sir is the equivalent.
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 13, 2024 7:48:22 GMT
It seems that a few people don't like the result of the recent election. Just for balance, Boris Johnson was, by a country mile, the person most unsuited to the position of Prime Minister and leader of the UK, in the last 300 years. Liz Truss crashed the economy. The Tories lost the last election all by themselves. May they never come back. I would say the majority of people in the country didn’t like the result of the election Hence starmer’s low vote share But that’s life we will just have to tolerate Starmer and his lickspittle cronies and his sycophantic supporters fucking the voters over At least it’s only going to be five years at most He wasn’t privately educated so how dare he be in a position of power. Working class people should know their place. They cannot be led by someone who is not at least 2 classes above them. Whatever we do, we mustn’t judge this government on their actions. Just on leaks about what they might do. And out of context social media posts of course.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 13, 2024 8:12:46 GMT
I would say the majority of people in the country didn’t like the result of the election Hence starmer’s low vote share But that’s life we will just have to tolerate Starmer and his lickspittle cronies and his sycophantic supporters fucking the voters over At least it’s only going to be five years at most He wasn’t privately educated so how dare he be in a position of power. Working class people should know their place. They cannot be led by someone who is not at least 2 classes above them. Whatever we do, we mustn’t judge this government on their actions. Just on leaks about what they might do. And out of context social media posts of course. And we shouldn't mention the absolute, 14 years in the making, clusterfuck that they inherited..
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Post by emretezzy on Sept 13, 2024 8:17:07 GMT
I would say the majority of people in the country didn’t like the result of the election Hence starmer’s low vote share But that’s life we will just have to tolerate Starmer and his lickspittle cronies and his sycophantic supporters fucking the voters over At least it’s only going to be five years at most He wasn’t privately educated so how dare he be in a position of power. Working class people should know their place. They cannot be led by someone who is not at least 2 classes above them. Whatever we do, we mustn’t judge this government on their actions. Just on leaks about what they might do. And out of context social media posts of course. I don't understand why they would want to score such an own-goal. Like Ely says below, they have a free pass basically. Any trivial, non-improvement can be attributed to the previous 14 years with little to no come back. The winter-payments is baffling on so many fronts. It pisses near enough everyone off, including most of the true left and more importantly the cover blanket of the previous 14 years can't be used.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 13, 2024 8:19:09 GMT
It seems that a few people don't like the result of the recent election. Just for balance, Boris Johnson was, by a country mile, the person most unsuited to the position of Prime Minister and leader of the UK, in the last 300 years. Liz Truss crashed the economy. The Tories lost the last election all by themselves. May they never come back. i was very happy with the result of the election, we needed change however it has not brought that optimism of change in fact its the very opposite
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 13, 2024 8:24:08 GMT
He wasn’t privately educated so how dare he be in a position of power. Working class people should know their place. They cannot be led by someone who is not at least 2 classes above them. Whatever we do, we mustn’t judge this government on their actions. Just on leaks about what they might do. And out of context social media posts of course. And we shouldn't mention the absolute, 14 years in the making, clusterfuck that they inherited.. He has had more than enough time to deal with that!?
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Post by elystokie on Sept 13, 2024 8:28:41 GMT
And we shouldn't mention the absolute, 14 years in the making, clusterfuck that they inherited.. He has had more than enough time to deal with that!? Maybe if all those corrupt fuckers that helped themselves to public funds and in the case of Atkins and May monopolised and made bank out of life saving medicines gave a few quid back a few more pensioners might be a bit warmer this winter? But we're supposed to ignore that as well I think..
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 13, 2024 8:29:25 GMT
He wasn’t privately educated so how dare he be in a position of power. Working class people should know their place. They cannot be led by someone who is not at least 2 classes above them. Whatever we do, we mustn’t judge this government on their actions. Just on leaks about what they might do. And out of context social media posts of course. I don't understand why they would want to score such an own-goal. Like Ely says below, they have a free pass basically. Any trivial, non-improvement can be attributed to the previous 14 years with little to no come back. The winter-payments is baffling on so many fronts. It pisses near enough everyone off, including most of the true left and more importantly the cover blanket of the previous 14 years can't be used. I agree. Like I have said, it is when Starmer/Reeves is speaking that most people dislike them. Polling was in favour of the changes to winter fuel allowance. But I would imagine almost everyone wants more people to be eligible than the level they have set it at, which they have obviously done for ease of administration. It is an odd one to announce when they did. The principle of means testing benefits is one I would imagine most agree with. But they should have announced this in the budget, so everyone can see the full package. Labour has always been a PR disaster though. They should worry less about it and just stay quiet and get on with their jobs in my opinion.
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Sept 13, 2024 8:31:35 GMT
I reckon Starmer is set to be the most universally reviled sitting PM in my lifetime. Blair is fairly universally hated but much of that was retrospective. Maybe starmer is just making a self-sacrificial masterstroke to finally unite the left and the right? Thatcher, Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak pass you by mate? Not at all. I used the phrase “universally reviled” which is admittedly a misnomer, as what I actually mean is disliked by both the left and the right. The centrists are the ones who seem quite pleased (or at least not yet disturbed) by how things are shaping up with starmer. Thatcher ok 1990 just about my lifetime, was she despised by the right though even at the end? Maybe she was you’d have to fill me in on that. Cameron was never universally despised was he? He won the 2015 GE, and only resigned after his referendum gamble to end euroscepticism as a political force backfired spectacularly. May was just useless and a bit of a joke figure as PM. Perhaps she was seen as useless fairly universally, but I wouldn’t call that revulsion. Johnson was perhaps our trumpian equivalent? He had plenty of enemies but also plenty of supporters; much like trump. That’s not “universal”. Truss ok maybe that’s the closest but even so, I still wouldn’t go so far as claiming that she was as despised as the creepy authoritarian Starmer already is/looks set to become. I mean he’s already got the entire right against him and you guys on the left seem completely disturbed by him already too. Sunak definitely not. Just another figure who was seen more as an out of touch posh boy clown who had found himself in the top job by default rather than merit. Thatcher might be the one but I suspect the right didn’t hate her even though she was ousted, because the tories still won the 92 GE. I stand by what I said.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 13, 2024 8:38:17 GMT
Thatcher, Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak pass you by mate? Not at all. I used the phrase “universally reviled” which is admittedly a misnomer, as what I actually mean is disliked by both the left and the right. The centrists are the ones who seem quite pleased (or at least not yet disturbed) by how things are shaping up with starmer. Thatcher ok 1990 just about my lifetime, was she despised by the right though even at the end? Maybe she was you’d have to fill me in on that. Cameron was never universally despised was he? He won the 2015 GE, and only resigned after his referendum gamble to end euroscepticism as a political force backfired spectacularly. May was just useless and a bit of a joke figure as PM. Perhaps she was seen as useless fairly universally, but I wouldn’t call that revulsion. Johnson was perhaps our trumpian equivalent? He had plenty of enemies but also plenty of supporters; much like trump. That’s not “universal”. Truss ok maybe that’s the closest but even so, I still wouldn’t go so far as claiming that she was as despised as the creepy authoritarian Starmer already is/looks set to become. I mean he’s already got the entire right against him and you guys on the left seem completely disturbed by him already too. Sunak definitely not. Just another figure who was seen more as an out of touch posh boy clown who had found himself in the top job by default rather than merit. Thatcher might be the one but I suspect the right didn’t hate her even though she was ousted, because the tories still won the 92 GE. I stand by what I said. and you are about bang on apart from Truss. everyone hated her we witnessed a colossol Tory collapse, helped by a reform party that in a different system would have far more MPs but that the way it is. It was not an endorsement for the Labour Party. Labour has secured one of the largest parliamentary majorities in British political history, but on a pitiful share of the popular vote. Less than Jezza and he didnt get in
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 13, 2024 8:58:33 GMT
I reckon Starmer is set to be the most universally reviled sitting PM in my lifetime. Blair is fairly universally hated but much of that was retrospective. Maybe starmer is just making a self-sacrificial masterstroke to finally unite the left and the right? Thatcher, Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak pass you by mate? Why on earth does Back To Basics Family Values John "Shagger" Major get off scot free?
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Post by gawa on Sept 13, 2024 9:14:17 GMT
I would say the majority of people in the country didn’t like the result of the election Hence starmer’s low vote share But that’s life we will just have to tolerate Starmer and his lickspittle cronies and his sycophantic supporters fucking the voters over At least it’s only going to be five years at most He wasn’t privately educated so how dare he be in a position of power. Working class people should know their place. They cannot be led by someone who is not at least 2 classes above them. Whatever we do, we mustn’t judge this government on their actions. Just on leaks about what they might do. And out of context social media posts of course. Don't think his education has anything to do with it Oggy. Absurd comment. They are being judged on their actions by most. What's changed are your principles because your teams in charge. You wouldn't have supported austerity under the tories.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 13, 2024 9:15:13 GMT
It seems that a few people don't like the result of the recent election. Just for balance, Boris Johnson was, by a country mile, the person most unsuited to the position of Prime Minister and leader of the UK, in the last 300 years. Liz Truss crashed the economy. The Tories lost the last election all by themselves. May they never come back. I wonder what the present incumbents would have done being presented with a global pandemic, European War and dealing with Brexit all within 2 years of being elected?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 13, 2024 9:15:49 GMT
I reckon Starmer is set to be the most universally reviled sitting PM in my lifetime. Blair is fairly universally hated but much of that was retrospective. Maybe starmer is just making a self-sacrificial masterstroke to finally unite the left and the right? Thatcher, Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak pass you by mate? Didn’t have you down as a John Major fan boy mate. The oatcake never ceases to amaze
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Post by elystokie on Sept 13, 2024 9:22:20 GMT
It seems that a few people don't like the result of the recent election. Just for balance, Boris Johnson was, by a country mile, the person most unsuited to the position of Prime Minister and leader of the UK, in the last 300 years. Liz Truss crashed the economy. The Tories lost the last election all by themselves. May they never come back. I wonder what the present incumbents would have done being presented with a global pandemic, European War and dealing with Brexit all within 2 years of being elected? The past incumbents would probably get more sympathy with regards to those events if they hadn't used them to line their own pockets.
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Post by pmjh on Sept 13, 2024 9:25:32 GMT
I reckon Starmer is set to be the most universally reviled sitting PM in my lifetime. Blair is fairly universally hated but much of that was retrospective. Maybe starmer is just making a self-sacrificial masterstroke to finally unite the left and the right? Thatcher, Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak pass you by mate? Thatcher by far.Followed by Johnson and Truss.The others were just inept.
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Post by pmjh on Sept 13, 2024 9:29:17 GMT
It seems that a few people don't like the result of the recent election. Just for balance, Boris Johnson was, by a country mile, the person most unsuited to the position of Prime Minister and leader of the UK, in the last 300 years. Liz Truss crashed the economy. The Tories lost the last election all by themselves. May they never come back. I would say the majority of people in the country didn’t like the result of the election Hence starmer’s low vote share But that’s life we will just have to tolerate Starmer and his lickspittle cronies and his sycophantic supporters fucking the voters over At least it’s only going to be five years at most The majority of people very rarely like the result of the election. Only once since 1931 has the winner had amore than 50% share of the actual votes cast.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 13, 2024 9:30:21 GMT
The Mrs decided she wanted to email starmer about the timing of the means testing of the WFA. She googled his address and was met with the UK Parliament website saying starmer is to be addressed as Sir Kier Starmer in any correspondence, what a self serving prick. Not surprisingly after a few expletives she didn’t send anything. View AttachmentI assume you don’t like being addressed as Mr then! Sir is the equivalent. It’s not that he’s a sir as such but the arrogance of insisting that he is addressed as Sir Kier Starmer.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 13, 2024 9:38:57 GMT
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