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Post by gawa on Sept 12, 2024 15:16:17 GMT
Far from it. Lobbying is what lobbying is. Our political system is crap. And there was only one politician who promised to end lobbying. That sounds like a complex thing to do Huddy. Much more complex than doing the same - austerity.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 12, 2024 15:18:30 GMT
Who told you private health firms weren't involved in the NHS? Given that people (like most of those on here) would moan their arses off and vote for someone else if Labour said they were substantially hiking national insurance contributions and income tax to pay for a fully state funded health system, private health care firms are part of public heath provision now ad it won't change. They are very much involved. We used to regularly take patients up to the Nuffield for surgery and then return them to the Royal Stoke for after care treatment. During Covid the Royal Stoke sent a number of patients up to the Nuffield for isolation. Of course, but we're talking about going beyond that. Cataracts operations are one example. 78 new private clinics all set up in the last 5 years, NHS budgets through the roof, and complexed NHS cataracts operations are on the rise (I wonder why?) Is that "utilising spare capacity" or the start of a very slippery slope for those needing treatment in that department? parliamentnews.co.uk/increased-use-of-the-independent-sector-threatens-the-future-of-comprehensive-nhs-eye-care
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 12, 2024 15:28:43 GMT
The photo is from 2017 not recent. However, he is a vile person and a bully. Read about his reselection in Stoke Central - deeeply concerning. Oh and he's shacked up with Ruth Smeeth now, in Penkhull. Utter vile excuse of a human, a liar, a coward and yes a bully, and seemingly now invisible, at least Gullis was seen around the city as was Gideon before she decided enough was enough heres the link to his stich up to get his name on the ballot skwawkbox.org/2022/08/04/exclusive-stoke-central-members-full-complaint-and-evidence-about-snell-selection-stitch-up/it staggers me that intelligent people in this city voted for him.... That's the article mate, cheers for posting.
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Post by flea79 on Sept 12, 2024 15:30:18 GMT
That's the article mate, cheers for posting. how did people actually vote for him? was it a case of voting against tory and thats how he managed it? or was everybody drunk that day seriously a spoilt vote would have been more use than voting for that scum
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 12, 2024 15:41:25 GMT
also for those calling for means testing all universal benefits would that include - forcing (not optional as it is now) people to go private medical That's fine if they do, but as soon as you rule out my free access to it then surely my proportion of NI used to pay for it should come back to me to contribute to private health insurance 🤷
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Post by gawa on Sept 12, 2024 16:02:16 GMT
That's the article mate, cheers for posting. how did people actually vote for him? was it a case of voting against tory and thats how he managed it? or was everybody drunk that day seriously a spoilt vote would have been more use than voting for that scum The average person doesn't know about the above or the corruption within Starmers labour. The media are incentivised not to report on it too. Stuff like this isn't unique to Stoke, Labour have been deselecting left wingers up and down the country and rigging processes to get their mates in through the door. It stinks.
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 12, 2024 16:10:31 GMT
Labour has strengthened the position of tenants significantly in the proposed Renters Reform Bill. The fact MPs are landlords has not stopped them. Let’s judge the NHS reforms when we see what happens, not before. Likewise with the budget.Of course. And in the meantime people are more than entitled to be concerned on a message board by private health care lobbyists giving cash to Labour MP's as it's generally not done out of the goodness of their hearts..... Let’s hope there is egg on the face of those lobby groups. Political donations if done properly are permitted and should not influence policy. It has gone on for years under every government of any party. It obviously won’t stop now and wouldn’t have stopped had anyone else been elected be that Corbyn or Farage or anyone. The mere existence of payments does not mean anything.
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 12, 2024 16:13:33 GMT
Labour has strengthened the position of tenants significantly in the proposed Renters Reform Bill. The fact MPs are landlords has not stopped them. Let’s judge the NHS reforms when we see what happens, not before. Likewise with the budget. No rent controls in the bill though which is probably the biggest issue affecting renters. For me I think the bill will hit small time landlords hardest and likely see more property move from their hands into property tycoons. Whether that happens or not who knows. Just seems like financially there is alot more risk now and thus I can see property shifting upwards to those who can afford said risks. Whether people think that's good or not and whether it happens is another thing. But rent control would have been the biggest one to help anyone in the rental market. Everything else is very circumstantial but doesn't benefit tenants as much as a rent control would. My understanding is that rent increases will be limited to market value (much like commercial leases) and tenants will have far greater power to stay put or leave on short notice if they wish. And it is attempting to end rental bidding wars.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 12, 2024 18:36:00 GMT
Far from it. Lobbying is what lobbying is. Our political system is crap. And there was only one politician who promised to end lobbying. As somebody once said.... "The higher the monkey climbs the tree, the more it shows its arse."
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 12, 2024 20:39:27 GMT
how did people actually vote for him? was it a case of voting against tory and thats how he managed it? or was everybody drunk that day seriously a spoilt vote would have been more use than voting for that scum The average person doesn't know about the above or the corruption within Starmers labour. The media are incentivised not to report on it too. Stuff like this isn't unique to Stoke, Labour have been deselecting left wingers up and down the country and rigging processes to get their mates in through the door. It stinks. De-selecting traditional left wingers for sure but very much opening the door to the new "liberal left". Two very different characters and the latter being far more unpleasant. I'm still yet to meet anyone on the right or left who likes Starmer. Aside from his crap politics he's just not a likeable guy is he?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 12, 2024 20:43:54 GMT
The average person doesn't know about the above or the corruption within Starmers labour. The media are incentivised not to report on it too. Stuff like this isn't unique to Stoke, Labour have been deselecting left wingers up and down the country and rigging processes to get their mates in through the door. It stinks. De-selecting traditional left wingers for sure but very much opening the door to the new "liberal left". Two very different characters and the latter being far more unpleasant. I'm still yet to meet anyone on the right or left who likes Starmer. Aside from his crap politics he's just not a likeable guy is he? The moniker “Sir” doesn’t exactly scream “man of the people”. But yeh he’s a total megalomaniac, I fear for our children (and pensioners)
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Post by gawa on Sept 12, 2024 21:02:01 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 12, 2024 21:07:26 GMT
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Post by plug on Sept 12, 2024 21:12:00 GMT
Labour's going to be the new Brexit, no one's going to admit voting for it before long!
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 12, 2024 21:25:07 GMT
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Sept 12, 2024 21:54:54 GMT
I'm still yet to meet anyone on the right or left who likes Starmer. Aside from his crap politics he's just not a likeable guy is he? I reckon Starmer is set to be the most universally reviled sitting PM in my lifetime. Blair is fairly universally hated but much of that was retrospective. Maybe starmer is just making a self-sacrificial masterstroke to finally unite the left and the right?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 12, 2024 22:14:29 GMT
De-selecting traditional left wingers for sure but very much opening the door to the new "liberal left". Two very different characters and the latter being far more unpleasant. I'm still yet to meet anyone on the right or left who likes Starmer. Aside from his crap politics he's just not a likeable guy is he? The moniker “Sir” doesn’t exactly scream “man of the people”. But yeh he’s a total megalomaniac, I fear for our children (and pensioners) 600 million to Ukraine while letting old British pensioners freeze. It ain't great optics is it? ☃️ Have they sent the bloke who knocked out the female police officer at Manchester Airport to jail yet? Presumably he will serve a pretty long sentence given middle aged carer Julie Sweeney (with no criminal record) is in a cell for 15 months for a tweet. Starmageddon is well and truly here 🤢
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 12, 2024 22:17:06 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 12, 2024 22:18:45 GMT
Labour's going to be the new Brexit, no one's going to admit voting for it before long! Meanwhile those who voted Brexit will be shouting they voted Brexit louder than ever 😊
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 12, 2024 22:21:19 GMT
The average person doesn't know about the above or the corruption within Starmers labour. The media are incentivised not to report on it too. Stuff like this isn't unique to Stoke, Labour have been deselecting left wingers up and down the country and rigging processes to get their mates in through the door. It stinks. De-selecting traditional left wingers for sure but very much opening the door to the new "liberal left". Two very different characters and the latter being far more unpleasant. I'm still yet to meet anyone on the right or left who likes Starmer. Aside from his crap politics he's just not a likeable guy is he? I guess as a centrist, he is unlikely to be liked by the right or the left. And most people aren’t right or left. I don’t care about his likeability. I just hope he improves our country after about 15 years of steady decline.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 12, 2024 22:27:43 GMT
De-selecting traditional left wingers for sure but very much opening the door to the new "liberal left". Two very different characters and the latter being far more unpleasant. I'm still yet to meet anyone on the right or left who likes Starmer. Aside from his crap politics he's just not a likeable guy is he? I guess as a centrist, he is unlikely to be liked by the right or the left. And most people aren’t right or left. I don’t care about his likeability. I just hope he improves our country after about 15 years of steady decline. It's not a great start is it mate? I feel like hes 3-0 down within the first 10 minutes.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 12, 2024 22:27:45 GMT
Labour's going to be the new Brexit, no one's going to admit voting for it before long! Anybody on here going to hold their hand up to it on here?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 12, 2024 22:28:19 GMT
I guess as a centrist, he is unlikely to be liked by the right or the left. And most people aren’t right or left. I don’t care about his likeability. I just hope he improves our country after about 15 years of steady decline. It's not a great start is it mate? Are you kidding? He's cheering him on.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 12, 2024 22:30:10 GMT
He knows he's cooked when this gets reposted in 5 years time. If it takes that long at all.
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 12, 2024 22:33:57 GMT
I guess as a centrist, he is unlikely to be liked by the right or the left. And most people aren’t right or left. I don’t care about his likeability. I just hope he improves our country after about 15 years of steady decline. It's not a great start is it mate? I feel like hes 3-0 down within the first 10 minutes. I disagree. He is a significant improvement on what came before. It is more like he has taken over at half time, and we are 10-0 down and it is now 11-2. He dealt with the riots very well unquestionably. He totally shut them down. He is absolutely right to means test benefits (I don’t think at the right level which isn’t so good), the rent reform bill has been significantly improved. And that’s about it. Everything else is speculation about what he might do.
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Post by desman2 on Sept 12, 2024 22:49:17 GMT
Labour's going to be the new Brexit, no one's going to admit voting for it before long! Anybody on here going to hold their hand up to it on here? I knew he was suspect as a prime minister when I learnt his middle name is Rodney. But he is definitely acting like a complete plonker
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 12, 2024 22:53:00 GMT
Labour's going to be the new Brexit, no one's going to admit voting for it before long! Anybody on here going to hold their hand up to it on here? Yes I’m proud I voted for Brexit and the freeing of this country from the yoke of European imperialism
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 12, 2024 22:58:39 GMT
It's not a great start is it mate? I feel like hes 3-0 down within the first 10 minutes. I disagree. He is a significant improvement on what came before. It is more like he has taken over at half time, and we are 10-0 down and it is now 11-2. He dealt with the riots very well unquestionably. He totally shut them down. He is absolutely right to means test benefits (I don’t think at the right level which isn’t so good), the rent reform bill has been significantly improved. And that’s about it. Everything else is speculation about what he might do. I couldn't disagree more mate. I thought he handled the riots particularly badly and added fuel to an already raging fire. Many more riots to come during his tenure, rest assured. I agree with you on the 10-0 down bit (Blair and Brown cost them 5 of those) , but he's definitely at least 13-0 behind now 😉 Starmer is a bit of an Alex Neil really. Pretty shit at the job, dour, shit with money AND not very likeable.
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Post by wannabee on Sept 12, 2024 23:39:55 GMT
Reform is needed indeed. But the amount of labour MPs with links to, or who have received donations from, private healthcare should be highly concerning for anyone. Nobody should be excited about NHS reform which has Alan Milburn and Wes Streeting overseeing it. It will be profits first patients second. www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2024/09/10/alan-milburn-nhs-streeting/Bingo. The amount of Labour MP's that are landlords of multiple properties would also be a red flag for me also when they're having to vote on potential major housing reform. I just don't understand how people don't see the direction of travel, the private sector will simply take all the profitable low hanging fruit, then put their prices up when we become over reliant on them as more NHS staff have jumped ship for more money and a less stressful life....... I suppose it depends on what you classify as "Multiple Properties' there are 7 of the 404 Labour MPs who have more than two properties rented en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_landlord_Members_of_Parliament_in_the_United_Kingdom
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Post by wannabee on Sept 13, 2024 0:37:12 GMT
Labour has strengthened the position of tenants significantly in the proposed Renters Reform Bill. The fact MPs are landlords has not stopped them. Let’s judge the NHS reforms when we see what happens, not before. Likewise with the budget. No rent controls in the bill though which is probably the biggest issue affecting renters. For me I think the bill will hit small time landlords hardest and likely see more property move from their hands into property tycoons. Whether that happens or not who knows. Just seems like financially there is alot more risk now and thus I can see property shifting upwards to those who can afford said risks. Whether people think that's good or not and whether it happens is another thing. But rent control would have been the biggest one to help anyone in the rental market. Everything else is very circumstantial but doesn't benefit tenants as much as a rent control would. As the Labour Renters Rights Bill is the most transformative in 36 years repealing Thatchers 1988 Housing Act. Besides abolishing Section 21 No fault Evictions The Renters Rights Bill only allows an annual rent increase in line with inflation. What would Rent Controls do differently? As Housing Rental is a Devolved matter and Northern Ireland Tenants already "enjoy" evan less rights than England and Wales Tenants before the Renters Rights Bill are you lobbying Stormont Party's to enact more progressive legislation on behalf of Northern Ireland Tenants?
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