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Post by pmjh on Sept 13, 2024 9:41:08 GMT
He wasn’t privately educated so how dare he be in a position of power. Working class people should know their place. They cannot be led by someone who is not at least 2 classes above them. Whatever we do, we mustn’t judge this government on their actions. Just on leaks about what they might do. And out of context social media posts of course. I don't understand why they would want to score such an own-goal. Like Ely says below, they have a free pass basically. Any trivial, non-improvement can be attributed to the previous 14 years with little to no come back. The winter-payments is baffling on so many fronts. It pisses near enough everyone off, including most of the true left and more importantly the cover blanket of the previous 14 years can't be used. I think it's a good idea in principle. We don't need to be giving money to people who don't need it. I will be a pensioner myself in less than 12 months. I don't need £200,give it to the NHS . The problem is the bar has been set too low,some people do need it. There are better ways that have been suggested. Council tax bands, taxation etc. I'm surprised they did not employ one of these instead.
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Post by pmjh on Sept 13, 2024 9:47:29 GMT
It seems that a few people don't like the result of the recent election. Just for balance, Boris Johnson was, by a country mile, the person most unsuited to the position of Prime Minister and leader of the UK, in the last 300 years. Liz Truss crashed the economy. The Tories lost the last election all by themselves. May they never come back. I wonder what the present incumbents would have done being presented with a global pandemic, European War and dealing with Brexit all within 2 years of being elected? Perhaps not made things worse by using them as an opportunity to make their pals rich.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 13, 2024 9:55:35 GMT
Thatcher, Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak pass you by mate? Thatcher by far.Followed by Johnson and Truss.The others were just inept. May ranks up there for me. To be complicit with her Drugs Minister in exporting life saving medicine whilst denying that same medicine to suffering children in her own country takes a special sort of twat.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Sept 13, 2024 9:55:47 GMT
Several shops, pubs and businesses have had their windows smashed in Newcastle High Street. An individual who was released early from jail to free capacity, did it to go back to jail. That’s working then.
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Post by superjw on Sept 13, 2024 10:42:38 GMT
I don't understand why they would want to score such an own-goal. Like Ely says below, they have a free pass basically. Any trivial, non-improvement can be attributed to the previous 14 years with little to no come back. The winter-payments is baffling on so many fronts. It pisses near enough everyone off, including most of the true left and more importantly the cover blanket of the previous 14 years can't be used. I think it's a good idea in principle. We don't need to be giving money to people who don't need it. I will be a pensioner myself in less than 12 months. I don't need £200,give it to the NHS . The problem is the bar has been set too low,some people do need it. There are better ways that have been suggested. Council tax bands, taxation etc. I'm surprised they did not employ one of these instead. It is the right idea in principle I agree, it’s the execution of it that they have monumentally screwed up on. It’s very easy, they just needed to align the threshold with the living wage, that’s it. Literally doesn’t need to be any more complex than that, it’s just a figure they change not a process. Labour have CHOSEN to hurt people in this way instead.
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Post by pmjh on Sept 13, 2024 10:44:53 GMT
Thatcher by far.Followed by Johnson and Truss.The others were just inept. May ranks up there for me. To be complicit with her Drugs Minister in exporting life saving medicine whilst denying that same medicine to suffering children in her own country takes a special sort of twat. Wow. Didn't know about that one. Perhaps I should promote her.
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Post by pmjh on Sept 13, 2024 10:47:21 GMT
I think it's a good idea in principle. We don't need to be giving money to people who don't need it. I will be a pensioner myself in less than 12 months. I don't need £200,give it to the NHS . The problem is the bar has been set too low,some people do need it. There are better ways that have been suggested. Council tax bands, taxation etc. I'm surprised they did not employ one of these instead. It is the right idea in principle I agree, it’s the execution of it that they have monumentally screwed up on. It’s very easy, they just needed to align the threshold with the living wage, that’s it. Literally doesn’t need to be any more complex than that, it’s just a figure they change not a process. Labour have CHOSEN to hurt people in this way instead. If you alligned it to the living wage you'd have to include more than pensioners.There are many people on the living wage with far greater outgoings then pensioners.
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 13, 2024 10:47:33 GMT
He wasn’t privately educated so how dare he be in a position of power. Working class people should know their place. They cannot be led by someone who is not at least 2 classes above them. Whatever we do, we mustn’t judge this government on their actions. Just on leaks about what they might do. And out of context social media posts of course. Don't think his education has anything to do with it Oggy. Absurd comment. They are being judged on their actions by most. What's changed are your principles because your teams in charge. You wouldn't have supported austerity under the tories. Sadly my team is not in charge. A party I have never voted for is. Their first budget hasn’t happened yet. So how can you possibly judge whether they are bringing in austerity at this point? I suspect they will bring in big tax increases which don’t impact the poor and impact capital transfer. That hits the middle and the top. You have been calling for similar for years. But they may not, let’s see. And let’s see whether they cut departmental budgets. I really hope they don’t.
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 13, 2024 10:50:52 GMT
I assume you don’t like being addressed as Mr then! Sir is the equivalent. It’s not that he’s a sir as such but the arrogance of insisting that he is addressed as Sir Kier Starmer. You really think the PM spends time on how he needs to be addressed in emails!? He won’t even read the emails. Check every MP and member of the Lords. If they have a title, it will tell anyone contacting them to address them by their title. It is normal. Dear Lord X Dear Lady Y Dear Sir X Dear Mrs Y It is all the same and not worth worrying or being judgmental over.
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 13, 2024 11:15:29 GMT
I think it's a good idea in principle. We don't need to be giving money to people who don't need it. I will be a pensioner myself in less than 12 months. I don't need £200,give it to the NHS . The problem is the bar has been set too low,some people do need it. There are better ways that have been suggested. Council tax bands, taxation etc. I'm surprised they did not employ one of these instead. It is the right idea in principle I agree, it’s the execution of it that they have monumentally screwed up on. It’s very easy, they just needed to align the threshold with the living wage, that’s it. Literally doesn’t need to be any more complex than that, it’s just a figure they change not a process. Labour have CHOSEN to hurt people in this way instead. To be fair if they change the figure it would change the process too. They've chose the easy option of saying if you get pension credits you keep it which is a process that already exists when they claim for pension credits. If they change the figure to living wage however many pensioners become eligible will need to put in a claim to prove they're below it which is a whole new process of administration. If the cost of that outweighs too much of the saving it renders the whole thing pointless. They really do need to find a compromise somehow.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 13, 2024 11:28:12 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Sept 13, 2024 11:54:54 GMT
It is the right idea in principle I agree, it’s the execution of it that they have monumentally screwed up on. It’s very easy, they just needed to align the threshold with the living wage, that’s it. Literally doesn’t need to be any more complex than that, it’s just a figure they change not a process. Labour have CHOSEN to hurt people in this way instead. To be fair if they change the figure it would change the process too. They've chose the easy option of saying if you get pension credits you keep it which is a process that already exists when they claim for pension credits. If they change the figure to living wage however many pensioners become eligible will need to put in a claim to prove they're below it which is a whole new process of administration. If the cost of that outweighs too much of the saving it renders the whole thing pointless. They really do need to find a compromise somehow. but they are encouraging those not claiming pension credits to claim. that process is lengthy and costly. "the cost of that outweighs too much of the saving it renders the whole thing pointless." It also means those below the living wage but above pension credit threshold dont get it
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 13, 2024 12:00:55 GMT
Thatcher, Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak pass you by mate? Why on earth does Back To Basics Family Values John "Shagger" Major get off scot free? Apologies, missed him.
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 13, 2024 12:15:20 GMT
To be fair if they change the figure it would change the process too. They've chose the easy option of saying if you get pension credits you keep it which is a process that already exists when they claim for pension credits. If they change the figure to living wage however many pensioners become eligible will need to put in a claim to prove they're below it which is a whole new process of administration. If the cost of that outweighs too much of the saving it renders the whole thing pointless. They really do need to find a compromise somehow. but they are encouraging those not claiming pension credits to claim. that process is lengthy and costly. "the cost of that outweighs too much of the saving it renders the whole thing pointless." It also means those below the living wage but above pension credit threshold dont get it I agree it's been set far too low, but I was just making the point that the pension credit claim admin is already costed for in the budget, presumably budgeted for max take up despite the low claims for it. Any other level is gonna bring it's own new admin cost to process.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 13, 2024 12:51:25 GMT
May ranks up there for me. To be complicit with her Drugs Minister in exporting life saving medicine whilst denying that same medicine to suffering children in her own country takes a special sort of twat. Wow. Didn't know about that one. Perhaps I should promote her. She actually stood up in Parliament as PM and stated that cannabis has no medical qualities. At the time the UK was the biggest exporter of medical cannabis in the world, May's husband worked for Capital Finance, British Sugar (CEO being Victoria Atkins' husband) were growing it on behalf of GW Pharma who had a 'special research licence' to grow and export it, they used Capital Finance to fund it. GW Pharma was subsequently sold to Jazz Pharmaceuticals for over $7 billion in 2021, obviously the GW Pharma share holders enjoyed quite the pay off, wonder who that could possibly have included 🤔 www.ft.com/content/87e56362-09af-44e3-b2ff-7a7c51f29374
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 13, 2024 12:53:36 GMT
Wow. Didn't know about that one. Perhaps I should promote her. She actually stood up in Parliament as PM and stated that cannabis has no medical qualities. At the time the UK was the biggest exporter of medical cannabis in the world, May's husband worked for Capital Finance, British Sugar (CEO being Victoria Atkins' husband) were growing it on behalf of GW Pharma who had a 'special research licence' to grow and export it. GW Pharma was subsequently sold to Jazz Pharmaceuticals for over $7 billion in 2021, obviously the GW Pharma share holders enjoyed quite the pay off, wonder who that could possibly have included 🤔 www.ft.com/content/87e56362-09af-44e3-b2ff-7a7c51f29374An absolute scandal Ely. Disgusting 🤬
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Post by elystokie on Sept 13, 2024 13:17:26 GMT
She actually stood up in Parliament as PM and stated that cannabis has no medical qualities. At the time the UK was the biggest exporter of medical cannabis in the world, May's husband worked for Capital Finance, British Sugar (CEO being Victoria Atkins' husband) were growing it on behalf of GW Pharma who had a 'special research licence' to grow and export it. GW Pharma was subsequently sold to Jazz Pharmaceuticals for over $7 billion in 2021, obviously the GW Pharma share holders enjoyed quite the pay off, wonder who that could possibly have included 🤔 www.ft.com/content/87e56362-09af-44e3-b2ff-7a7c51f29374An absolute scandal Ely. Disgusting 🤬 You have to wonder how many in Parliament, from all parties, were in on it 🤔 Might explain the deafening silence and the avoidance of discussion. Perhaps one day somebody might develop a conscience and blow the whistle 🤞
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 13, 2024 13:57:28 GMT
An absolute scandal Ely. Disgusting 🤬 You have to wonder how many in Parliament, from all parties, were in on it 🤔 Might explain the deafening silence and the avoidance of discussion. Perhaps one day somebody might develop a conscience and blow the whistle 🤞 To be honest I think the cat is finally out of the bag now that more and more research is being done and that thankfully will gain pace. The question however is how quickly they rectify the situation with regards its recreational use as it becomes more and more obvious that alcohol is a far more damaging substance yet is actively promoted for consumption. Yet the one that is banned is a naturally growing plant that effectively doesn't need manufacturing and processing like booze does. Crazy really. I had hopes Labour would look at this again as I recall them degrading it to class C during their last term? But given how Chairman Starmer has kicked off with banning smoking outdoors I fear he'll bottle job it and kick the can further down the road.
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Post by pmjh on Sept 13, 2024 13:59:11 GMT
but they are encouraging those not claiming pension credits to claim. that process is lengthy and costly. "the cost of that outweighs too much of the saving it renders the whole thing pointless." It also means those below the living wage but above pension credit threshold dont get it I agree it's been set far too low, but I was just making the point that the pension credit claim admin is already costed for in the budget, presumably budgeted for max take up despite the low claims for it. Any other level is gonna bring it's own new admin cost to process. Council tax bands would be the easiest. Get the local councils to give a discount to those in the lowest bands and put a bill in to central govt. Not perfect but much easier to operate.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 13, 2024 14:37:13 GMT
Sir Keir Starmer has refused to rule out scrapping the single-person council tax discount, saying decisions on the public finances had to be looked at "in the round".
There has been mounting speculation the 25% tax break for people who live alone will be on the chopping block when Chancellor Rachel Reeves delivers her first budget on 30 October.
Politics Live: Starmer in Washington to discuss war with Biden
If that is the case, it could further hit some pensioners living alone who have already suffered the loss of winter fuel payments.(Source: news.sky.com/story/starmer-refuses-to-rule-out-axing-single-person-council-tax-discount-13213949?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter)Now, all Starmer has done is refuse to say what is and what is not going to be in the October budget so he's not said that single person council tax discount is being abandoned. But refusing to rule out abandoning the single person discount is threatening to cross g a Rubicon no Labour government or opposition should ever contemplate. If that happens, I anticipate that Starmer's Labour will be going down a very certain path to one term government - if that - and open rebellion.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 13, 2024 15:04:18 GMT
Sir Keir Starmer has refused to rule out scrapping the single-person council tax discount, saying decisions on the public finances had to be looked at "in the round".
There has been mounting speculation the 25% tax break for people who live alone will be on the chopping block when Chancellor Rachel Reeves delivers her first budget on 30 October.
Politics Live: Starmer in Washington to discuss war with Biden
If that is the case, it could further hit some pensioners living alone who have already suffered the loss of winter fuel payments.(Source: news.sky.com/story/starmer-refuses-to-rule-out-axing-single-person-council-tax-discount-13213949?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter)Now, all Starmer has done is refuse to say what is and what is not going to be in the October budget so he's not said that single person council tax discount is being abandoned. But refusing to rule out abandoning the single person discount is threatening to cross g a Rubicon no Labour government or opposition should ever contemplate. If that happens, I anticipate that Starmer's Labour will be going down a very certain path to one term government - if that - and open rebellion. And Starmer ain't no Julius Caesar 😉
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 13, 2024 17:11:40 GMT
If you ever wanted to see and hear just how appalling this Labour party is, just listen to that interview. As bad as any interview you'll ever here from a British politician. Prioritising overseas climate change and refugees over building British hospitals. I didn't think British politics could get much worse after a catastrophic 14 years of Tory rule. It's got worse within 10 weeks of this mob.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Sept 13, 2024 17:19:17 GMT
Easier to remove any uncertainty or rumour and just quash the concept early on. Says a bloke living on his own juggling a single income.
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Post by wannabee on Sept 13, 2024 17:31:21 GMT
Several shops, pubs and businesses have had their windows smashed in Newcastle High Street. An individual who was released early from jail to free capacity, did it to go back to jail. That’s working then. Is it this chap who was given a suspended back in June for "threatening to torch a Mosque and stab a Muslim?" Inside now for being drunk and smashing a Pub Window uk.news.yahoo.com/drunk-man-smashed-pub-window-070409699.html
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Post by Veritas on Sept 13, 2024 17:35:41 GMT
Sir Keir Starmer has refused to rule out scrapping the single-person council tax discount, saying decisions on the public finances had to be looked at "in the round".
There has been mounting speculation the 25% tax break for people who live alone will be on the chopping block when Chancellor Rachel Reeves delivers her first budget on 30 October.
Politics Live: Starmer in Washington to discuss war with Biden
If that is the case, it could further hit some pensioners living alone who have already suffered the loss of winter fuel payments.(Source: news.sky.com/story/starmer-refuses-to-rule-out-axing-single-person-council-tax-discount-13213949?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter)Now, all Starmer has done is refuse to say what is and what is not going to be in the October budget so he's not said that single person council tax discount is being abandoned. But refusing to rule out abandoning the single person discount is threatening to cross g a Rubicon no Labour government or opposition should ever contemplate. If that happens, I anticipate that Starmer's Labour will be going down a very certain path to one term government - if that - and open rebellion. And Starmer ain't no Julius Caesar 😉 I should hope not as Julius was a dictator who crushed Roman democracy. Well democracy as long as you weren't a pleb or a slave!
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Post by gawa on Sept 13, 2024 18:41:06 GMT
So these lot have pretty much confirmed themselves as a Labour mouthpiece rather than a group which holds government to account.
Out of all the headlines in recent weeks. I know.... let's attack Farage.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 13, 2024 18:48:30 GMT
So these lot have pretty much confirmed themselves as a Labour mouthpiece rather than a group which holds government to account. Out of all the headlines in recent weeks. I know.... let's attack Farage. Led by Donkeys, Jonathon Pie, Supertanskii and the like just do my head in. Not funny, not edgy, just very fucking dull.........
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Sept 13, 2024 19:08:28 GMT
And Starmer ain't no Julius Caesar 😉 I should hope not as Julius was a dictator who crushed Roman democracy. Well democracy as long as you weren't a pleb or a slave! Harsh on Jules! Rome had been messed up for a a while and he was a more benevolent dictator than Sulla at least 😂
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Post by Dutchpeter on Sept 13, 2024 20:32:54 GMT
Several shops, pubs and businesses have had their windows smashed in Newcastle High Street. An individual who was released early from jail to free capacity, did it to go back to jail. That’s working then. Is it this chap who was given a suspended back in June for "threatening to torch a Mosque and stab a Muslim?" Inside now for being drunk and smashing a Pub Window uk.news.yahoo.com/drunk-man-smashed-pub-window-070409699.htmlNo.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 13, 2024 21:31:00 GMT
So these lot have pretty much confirmed themselves as a Labour mouthpiece rather than a group which holds government to account. Out of all the headlines in recent weeks. I know.... let's attack Farage. Led by Donkeys, Jonathon Pie, Supertanskii and the like just do my head in. Not funny, not edgy, just very fucking dull......... The political wing of The Last Leg.
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