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Post by gawa on Sept 12, 2024 12:07:52 GMT
he hates the working class The rhetoric from the election was they were going after corporations and the very rich the rhetoric since is money off pensioners and its going to get worse for us A horrible man That wasn't the rhetoric I got to be fair mate. Which is why I spent most of the time in the build up criticising Starmer. Starmers just here to continue the neoliberalism tory doom loop for us all.
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Post by gawa on Sept 12, 2024 12:12:45 GMT
I approve of Starmer talking about NHS reform - the current service isn't fit for purpose. It needs refocusing on how and where we care for our ageing population i.e. linking up social care properly. Some of the ridiculously archaic IT systems need modernising too. Reform is needed indeed. But the amount of labour MPs with links to, or who have received donations from, private healthcare should be highly concerning for anyone. Nobody should be excited about NHS reform which has Alan Milburn and Wes Streeting overseeing it. It will be profits first patients second. www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2024/09/10/alan-milburn-nhs-streeting/
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Post by salopstick on Sept 12, 2024 12:24:09 GMT
I thought they pledged not to raise corporation tax ? It went up last year under the Tories. The only thing they pledged was not to raise taxes for working people - such as VAT, lower rates of income tax and national insurance. According to that logic, Council Tax, Corporation Tax, higher rates of income tax, inheritance tax, capital gains, business rates generally, and stamp duty are presumably all fair game for Labour this time round (at least). I don't thibk the country is anywhere near ready for a return to the Conservative Party, but Labour are risking an absolute tonking at the next local elections if this goes badly. If it wasnt for Reform added to SNP shenaningans in Scotland Labour would either have not got in or a very reduced majority
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Post by salopstick on Sept 12, 2024 12:25:20 GMT
The black hole is a made up figure based on what labour want or do not want to do.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 12, 2024 12:35:55 GMT
The black hole is a made up figure based on what labour want or do not want to do. Maybe. That's an opinion rather than a fact at this stage, though. Important not to conflate the two
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 12, 2024 12:36:40 GMT
The only thing they pledged was not to raise taxes for working people - such as VAT, lower rates of income tax and national insurance. According to that logic, Council Tax, Corporation Tax, higher rates of income tax, inheritance tax, capital gains, business rates generally, and stamp duty are presumably all fair game for Labour this time round (at least). I don't thibk the country is anywhere near ready for a return to the Conservative Party, but Labour are risking an absolute tonking at the next local elections if this goes badly. If it wasnt for Reform added to SNP shenaningans in Scotland Labour would either have not got in or a very reduced majority If Barbara was Bill your Mother would be your Uncle.
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Post by adri2008 on Sept 12, 2024 12:39:06 GMT
I approve of Starmer talking about NHS reform - the current service isn't fit for purpose. It needs refocusing on how and where we care for our ageing population i.e. linking up social care properly. Some of the ridiculously archaic IT systems need modernising too. Reform is needed indeed. But the amount of labour MPs with links to, or who have received donations from, private healthcare should be highly concerning for anyone. Nobody should be excited about NHS reform which has Alan Milburn and Wes Streeting overseeing it. It will be profits first patients second. www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2024/09/10/alan-milburn-nhs-streeting/I've no doubt at all that certain elements of the private sector will have been promised a nice sum under the cover of 'clearing waiting lists' and will be chomping at the bit to 'help'. However if it ends up with waiting lists back to manageable levels and the NHS run in a much more stream lined fashion then I'll accept it. This should be top priority for the Labour Party imo - you can't have Conservatives proposing such things else you have people marching on the streets so it's down to Labour to bring the service into the modern era which has very different challenges to when it was first introduced. It's no use treating the NHS as a sacred cow if it's on it's last legs and ready to keel over.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 12, 2024 12:39:46 GMT
If it wasnt for Reform added to SNP shenaningans in Scotland Labour would either have not got in or a very reduced majority If Barbara was Bill your Mother would be your Uncle. exactly but my point is alot of people are already regretting that red vote
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Post by salopstick on Sept 12, 2024 12:41:28 GMT
I approve of Starmer talking about NHS reform - the current service isn't fit for purpose. It needs refocusing on how and where we care for our ageing population i.e. linking up social care properly. Some of the ridiculously archaic IT systems need modernising too. Reform is needed indeed. But the amount of labour MPs with links to, or who have received donations from, private healthcare should be highly concerning for anyone. Nobody should be excited about NHS reform which has Alan Milburn and Wes Streeting overseeing it. It will be profits first patients second. www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2024/09/10/alan-milburn-nhs-streeting/alan milburn is exactly the sort of cornyism which huddy posted 10000 tweets about the tories
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 12, 2024 12:44:28 GMT
If Barbara was Bill your Mother would be your Uncle. exactly but my point is alot of people are already regretting that red vote Only affluent pensioners losing their ÂŁ2-300 per year allowance. Most sane people don't judge someone's entire life based on their first couple of minutes of breath.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 12, 2024 12:46:33 GMT
Reform is needed indeed. But the amount of labour MPs with links to, or who have received donations from, private healthcare should be highly concerning for anyone. Nobody should be excited about NHS reform which has Alan Milburn and Wes Streeting overseeing it. It will be profits first patients second. www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2024/09/10/alan-milburn-nhs-streeting/alan milburn is exactly the sort of cornyism which huddy posted 10000 tweets about the tories Hang on - the Conservatives consulted Alan Milburn, a former Labour Health Minister. What kind of lunacy manifests itself in someone (you) thinking the Labour Party cannot consult one of their own former Health Ministers about the Health service??
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 12, 2024 13:04:22 GMT
I approve of Starmer talking about NHS reform - the current service isn't fit for purpose. It needs refocusing on how and where we care for our ageing population i.e. linking up social care properly. Some of the ridiculously archaic IT systems need modernising too. Reform is needed indeed. But the amount of labour MPs with links to, or who have received donations from, private healthcare should be highly concerning for anyone. Nobody should be excited about NHS reform which has Alan Milburn and Wes Streeting overseeing it. It will be profits first patients second. www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2024/09/10/alan-milburn-nhs-streeting/Bingo. The amount of Labour MP's that are landlords of multiple properties would also be a red flag for me also when they're having to vote on potential major housing reform. I just don't understand how people don't see the direction of travel, the private sector will simply take all the profitable low hanging fruit, then put their prices up when we become over reliant on them as more NHS staff have jumped ship for more money and a less stressful life.......
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 12, 2024 13:52:39 GMT
Reform is needed indeed. But the amount of labour MPs with links to, or who have received donations from, private healthcare should be highly concerning for anyone. Nobody should be excited about NHS reform which has Alan Milburn and Wes Streeting overseeing it. It will be profits first patients second. www.thecanary.co/uk/analysis/2024/09/10/alan-milburn-nhs-streeting/Bingo. The amount of Labour MP's that are landlords of multiple properties would also be a red flag for me also when they're having to vote on potential major housing reform. I just don't understand how people don't see the direction of travel, the private sector will simply take all the profitable low hanging fruit, then put their prices up when we become over reliant on them as more NHS staff have jumped ship for more money and a less stressful life....... Labour has strengthened the position of tenants significantly in the proposed Renters Reform Bill. The fact MPs are landlords has not stopped them. Let’s judge the NHS reforms when we see what happens, not before. Likewise with the budget.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 12, 2024 13:55:29 GMT
he hates the working class The rhetoric from the election was they were going after corporations and the very rich the rhetoric since is money off pensioners and its going to get worse for us A horrible man That wasn't the rhetoric I got to be fair mate. Which is why I spent most of the time in the build up criticising Starmer. Starmers just here to continue the neoliberalism tory doom loop for us all. It was the rhetoric when he was challenging for the leadership. I hear there's no money for the NHS without "reform"...I've a pretty good idea what "reform" means to Starmer and Streeting.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 12, 2024 14:01:15 GMT
Bingo. The amount of Labour MP's that are landlords of multiple properties would also be a red flag for me also when they're having to vote on potential major housing reform. I just don't understand how people don't see the direction of travel, the private sector will simply take all the profitable low hanging fruit, then put their prices up when we become over reliant on them as more NHS staff have jumped ship for more money and a less stressful life....... Labour has strengthened the position of tenants significantly in the proposed Renters Reform Bill. The fact MPs are landlords has not stopped them. Let’s judge the NHS reforms when we see what happens, not before. Likewise with the budget.Of course. And in the meantime people are more than entitled to be concerned on a message board by private health care lobbyists giving cash to Labour MP's as it's generally not done out of the goodness of their hearts.....
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Post by gawa on Sept 12, 2024 14:01:56 GMT
Bingo. The amount of Labour MP's that are landlords of multiple properties would also be a red flag for me also when they're having to vote on potential major housing reform. I just don't understand how people don't see the direction of travel, the private sector will simply take all the profitable low hanging fruit, then put their prices up when we become over reliant on them as more NHS staff have jumped ship for more money and a less stressful life....... Labour has strengthened the position of tenants significantly in the proposed Renters Reform Bill. The fact MPs are landlords has not stopped them. Let’s judge the NHS reforms when we see what happens, not before. Likewise with the budget. No rent controls in the bill though which is probably the biggest issue affecting renters. For me I think the bill will hit small time landlords hardest and likely see more property move from their hands into property tycoons. Whether that happens or not who knows. Just seems like financially there is alot more risk now and thus I can see property shifting upwards to those who can afford said risks. Whether people think that's good or not and whether it happens is another thing. But rent control would have been the biggest one to help anyone in the rental market. Everything else is very circumstantial but doesn't benefit tenants as much as a rent control would.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 12, 2024 14:03:15 GMT
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 12, 2024 14:15:47 GMT
Labour has strengthened the position of tenants significantly in the proposed Renters Reform Bill. The fact MPs are landlords has not stopped them. Let’s judge the NHS reforms when we see what happens, not before. Likewise with the budget.Of course. And in the meantime people are more than entitled to be concerned on a message board by private health care lobbyists giving cash to Labour MP's as it's generally not done out of the goodness of their hearts..... Who told you private health firms weren't involved in the NHS? Given that people (like most of those on here) would moan their arses off and vote for someone else if Labour said they were substantially hiking national insurance contributions and income tax to pay for a fully state funded health system, private health care firms are part of public heath provision now ad it won't change.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 12, 2024 14:16:49 GMT
Labour has strengthened the position of tenants significantly in the proposed Renters Reform Bill. The fact MPs are landlords has not stopped them. Let’s judge the NHS reforms when we see what happens, not before. Likewise with the budget. No rent controls in the bill though which is probably the biggest issue affecting renters. For me I think the bill will hit small time landlords hardest and likely see more property move from their hands into property tycoons. Whether that happens or not who knows. Just seems like financially there is alot more risk now and thus I can see property shifting upwards to those who can afford said risks. Whether people think that's good or not and whether it happens is another thing. But rent control would have been the biggest one to help anyone in the rental market. Everything else is very circumstantial but doesn't benefit tenants as much as a rent control would. Capitalism and free market economics eh?! Who'd have thought it.
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Post by noustie on Sept 12, 2024 14:19:38 GMT
It's pretty obvious they're looking to privatise as much as possible and there'll be an understanding of the 2 tier system in place by the time Labour finish. I can get private medical through work, in fact I'm taxed on it, but have completely refused to use and have stuck with my GP regardless how shit they are. For family members though I'd likely capitulate following what happened to a lass at work - she had a scare at an annual check-up and within 5 days had a cancer test and all clear.
It's a fucking scandal what's happening.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 12, 2024 14:22:06 GMT
Of course. And in the meantime people are more than entitled to be concerned on a message board by private health care lobbyists giving cash to Labour MP's as it's generally not done out of the goodness of their hearts..... Who told you private health firms weren't involved in the NHS? Given that people (like most of those on here) would moan their arses off and vote for someone else if Labour said they were substantially hiking national insurance contributions and income tax to pay for a fully state funded health system, private health care firms are part of public heath provision now ad it won't change. Let's see the reaction if Labour do, as rumoured, remove the single person council tax discount 👀.....
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Post by gawa on Sept 12, 2024 14:25:01 GMT
No rent controls in the bill though which is probably the biggest issue affecting renters. For me I think the bill will hit small time landlords hardest and likely see more property move from their hands into property tycoons. Whether that happens or not who knows. Just seems like financially there is alot more risk now and thus I can see property shifting upwards to those who can afford said risks. Whether people think that's good or not and whether it happens is another thing. But rent control would have been the biggest one to help anyone in the rental market. Everything else is very circumstantial but doesn't benefit tenants as much as a rent control would. Capitalism and free market economics eh?! Who'd have thought it. What are you on about now? Also you forgot to mention "corbyn" in this post, you may want to edit it. Or have you already evicted him from living rent free in your head before the section 21 changes come in? 🤣
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Post by salopstick on Sept 12, 2024 14:26:08 GMT
also for those calling for means testing all universal benefits would that include - forcing (not optional as it is now) people to go private medical
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Post by desman2 on Sept 12, 2024 14:27:34 GMT
Of course. And in the meantime people are more than entitled to be concerned on a message board by private health care lobbyists giving cash to Labour MP's as it's generally not done out of the goodness of their hearts..... Who told you private health firms weren't involved in the NHS? Given that people (like most of those on here) would moan their arses off and vote for someone else if Labour said they were substantially hiking national insurance contributions and income tax to pay for a fully state funded health system, private health care firms are part of public heath provision now ad it won't change. They are very much involved. We used to regularly take patients up to the Nuffield for surgery and then return them to the Royal Stoke for after care treatment. During Covid the Royal Stoke sent a number of patients up to the Nuffield for isolation.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 12, 2024 14:41:35 GMT
Oh look...it's the SNP doing exactly what Labour said they would have to do and acknowledging an economic "blackhole" - www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-government-considering-supermarket-tax-33643843"John Swinney is considering a tax on supermarkets in a bid to raise extra cash for struggling public services. The SNP Government is examining increasing business rates for large retailers that sell booze and fags. Green MSP Gillian Mackay, whose party could help sink Swinney’s Government, said the new tax would be part of budget negotiations later this year. Swinney’s administration recently outlined £500m of cuts to pay for public sector pay deals. More pain is expected when his finance secretary Shona Robison unveils a Budget that could see her swing the axe again. Income tax is already higher than in the rest of the UK and Ministers are looking at other ways to increase revenue. Humza Yousaf’s short-lived Government, which included the Greens, looked at a “public health supplement” for large retailers as a way of generating extra cash. Swinney has ditched key Yousaf’s policies, but higher business rates for supermarkets and bigger shops remains on the table. Discussions have taken place with the Scottish Retail Consortium and public health groups about how a surtax could operate. A Scottish Government spokesperson said: “In line with the New Deal For Business, we are committed to early engagement to ensure that any impact of any proposals on business is fully understood."Without any irony whatsoever, Conservative MSP Elizabeth Smith then said: ""These plans are only on the table because of the SNP’s financial incompetence during their 17 years in charge and they are now looking at increasingly desperate ways to fill the black hole they are responsible for.""
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 12, 2024 14:44:41 GMT
Of course. And in the meantime people are more than entitled to be concerned on a message board by private health care lobbyists giving cash to Labour MP's as it's generally not done out of the goodness of their hearts..... Who told you private health firms weren't involved in the NHS? Given that people (like most of those on here) would moan their arses off and vote for someone else if Labour said they were substantially hiking national insurance contributions and income tax to pay for a fully state funded health system, private health care firms are part of public heath provision now ad it won't change. Nobody. But why do you think people like John Armitage of America's largest health insurer UnitedHealth are happy to donate to Wes Streeting and other members of the Labour cabinet? Doing it out of the goodness of his heart maybe?
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Post by Ariel Manto on Sept 12, 2024 14:46:17 GMT
Who told you private health firms weren't involved in the NHS? Given that people (like most of those on here) would moan their arses off and vote for someone else if Labour said they were substantially hiking national insurance contributions and income tax to pay for a fully state funded health system, private health care firms are part of public heath provision now ad it won't change. Nobody. But why do you think people like John Armitage of America's largest health insurer UnitedHealth are happy to donate to Wes Streeting and other members of the Labour cabinet? Doing it out of the goodness of his heart maybe? Far from it. Lobbying is what lobbying is. Our political system is crap.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Sept 12, 2024 14:59:04 GMT
Nobody. But why do you think people like John Armitage of America's largest health insurer UnitedHealth are happy to donate to Wes Streeting and other members of the Labour cabinet? Doing it out of the goodness of his heart maybe? Far from it. Lobbying is what lobbying is. Our political system is crap. And there was only one politician who promised to end lobbying.
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Post by flea79 on Sept 12, 2024 15:14:12 GMT
Literally cannot stand the man. He's the definition of an Apparatchik - a man who appears whenever there is a centrist Labour government but who is nowhere to be seen otherwise - a full-time, professional functionary of the Party - "a man not of grand plans, but of a hundred carefully executed details" as someone once said. The photo is from 2017 not recent. However, he is a vile person and a bully. Read about his reselection in Stoke Central - deeeply concerning. Oh and he's shacked up with Ruth Smeeth now, in Penkhull. Utter vile excuse of a human, a liar, a coward and yes a bully, and seemingly now invisible, at least Gullis was seen around the city as was Gideon before she decided enough was enough heres the link to his stich up to get his name on the ballot skwawkbox.org/2022/08/04/exclusive-stoke-central-members-full-complaint-and-evidence-about-snell-selection-stitch-up/it staggers me that intelligent people in this city voted for him....
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Post by salopstick on Sept 12, 2024 15:15:33 GMT
The black hole is a made up figure based on what labour want or do not want to do. Maybe. That's an opinion rather than a fact at this stage, though. Important not to conflate the two You are absolutely correct. Based on Reeve's opinion. She hasnt given us facts otherwise
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