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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 15, 2020 20:10:52 GMT
On Labours finances. The recent NEC election had about 130,000 people vote in them. The 2018 elections had 280,000. If the more than halving of the vote represents anywhere near a halving of membership, then Labour might be in the region a million quid a month down. Those wealthy donors better be striding into shot, screen right, very soon indeed. It’s not a matter of if they do It’s what the wealthy donors will want for their money And what a man of little principle in starmer is prepared to offer
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 15, 2020 20:18:05 GMT
On Labours finances. The recent NEC election had about 130,000 people vote in them. The 2018 elections had 280,000. If the more than halving of the vote represents anywhere near a halving of membership, then Labour might be in the region a million quid a month down. Those wealthy donors better be striding into shot, screen right, very soon indeed. It’s not a matter of if they do It’s what the wealthy donors will want for their money And what a man of little principle in starmer is prepared to offer Indeed. You're absolutely right. I doubt it will overlap much with my interests. But they will only pile their money in if the prospects of it becoming policy look likely. Otherwise they'll just tickle a bit in to send signals. There certainly doesnt seem to much talk of tackling tax avoidance etc anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 13:48:26 GMT
This is good news apparently....
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 16, 2020 14:02:54 GMT
This is good news apparently.... 🤮
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 16, 2020 15:22:23 GMT
This is good news apparently.... Two cheeks of the same arse....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 15:25:51 GMT
This is good news apparently.... Two cheeks of the same arse.... Great hair though. And such a grown up. And so forensic......
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 16, 2020 16:31:16 GMT
This is good news apparently.... Two cheeks of the same arse.... Well boris is the left side
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 19, 2020 22:06:22 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 20, 2020 8:07:18 GMT
Quite ironic Jezza making such a fuss about the whip considering how much of his career was about ignoring it, a bit like his lifelong anti racism....
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 20, 2020 8:50:11 GMT
Quite ironic Jezza making such a fuss about the whip considering how much of his career was about ignoring it, a bit like his lifelong anti racism.... Quite. A bit much you and Sir Kier laughing in the face of the the EHRC though isn't after all you've said. Don't you like that bit?
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 20, 2020 9:05:59 GMT
Not really. His strategy since becoming leader has been to put distance between himself and Corbyn. I’ve no doubt he saw the EHRC report as a way to do this emphatically. Once he went down that road there was no turning back. And, fair play to him, he isn’t (not yet anyway). A lot of people have compared this to Kinnock’s famous conference speech noting this is when he made a decisive break from a faction inside Labour. The comparison seems valid because that is clearly what Starmer is doing. Whether he succeeds is a different question. He knows what he is doing though.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 20, 2020 9:11:06 GMT
Not really. He knows what he is doing though. I really don't think he does. He suspended him without justification, embarrassed himself by having to bring him back. breached the EHRC by suspending the whip and has alienated both left and right in the party. Other than that, it's gone blinding!
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 20, 2020 9:30:04 GMT
I'm kind of between the two of you. I think he's naive, thinks it's a rerun of 1997 and is making errors but I think he's chosen this hill to have it out. And who dies on it we'll see.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 20, 2020 9:42:17 GMT
I'm kind of between the two of you. I think he's naive, thinks it's a rerun of 1997 and is making errors but I think he's chosen this hill to have it out. And who dies on it we'll see. Yep - that’s it. (1985 though for Kinnock’s conference speech)
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 20, 2020 9:43:41 GMT
Not really. His strategy since becoming leader has been to put distance between himself and Corbyn. I’ve no doubt he saw the EHRC report as a way to do this emphatically. Once he went down that road there was no turning back. And, fair play to him, he isn’t (not yet anyway). A lot of people have compared this to Kinnock’s famous conference speech noting this is when he made a decisive break from a faction inside Labour. The comparison seems valid because that is clearly what Starmer is doing. Whether he succeeds is a different question. He knows what he is doing though. Yeah, I agree. Corbyn was rejected by the British public emphatically in Dec. Starmer knows he'll soon be yesterday's man. Yes, he may well make waves and difficulties for Starmer and the direction he wants to take his Labour over the next few years, but Starmer can afford to have those fights. Corbyn will also be increasingly seen as a Ted Heath figure, forever carping about the new leadership because it didn't work out for him. If he continues to make waves, that is. He might choose not to, we'll have to see. If anything, though, it'll cement the distance between Starmer's Labour and Corbyn's Labour even more in the mind of your average voter, which is what matters if you want to put distance between the two versions of Labour to try to get elected. I doubt that he's losing sleep over it.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 20, 2020 9:47:58 GMT
I'm kind of between the two of you. I think he's naive, thinks it's a rerun of 1997 and is making errors but I think he's chosen this hill to have it out. And who dies on it we'll see. He definitely knows what his end game is, 100%. I just think he's going to make a pigs ear of it along the way. CLP's all over the country are now attempted to be gagged for calling motions in support of Corbyn. Ironically they call Corbyn a "Stalinist" but Starmer takes it to a new level. Ultimately he won't mind if members desert the party in their tens of thousands as he'll fill the gaps with corporate donors, but it will make for a messy few months that could end up in litigation and the press won't let it drop. Tough times for Keith......
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 20, 2020 9:49:50 GMT
Welcome back, prestwich.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 20, 2020 9:50:17 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 20, 2020 9:54:03 GMT
Quite ironic Jezza making such a fuss about the whip considering how much of his career was about ignoring it, a bit like his lifelong anti racism.... Quite. A bit much you and Sir Kier laughing in the face of the the EHRC though isn't after all you've said. Don't you like that bit? Trotting out the latest line I see is racist grandpa a protected minority now then ? If you want to go down the EHRC line then the dispute should have gone to an independent panel.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 20, 2020 10:01:13 GMT
Not really. He knows what he is doing though. I really don't think he does. He suspended him without justification, embarrassed himself by having to bring him back. breached the EHRC by suspending the whip and has alienated both left and right in the party. Other than that, it's gone blinding! Saying he knows what he is doing is stretching is. Probably better to say he knows what he wants to achieve. Whether what he is doing will do that is, clearly, debatable!
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 20, 2020 10:04:50 GMT
I'm kind of between the two of you. I think he's naive, thinks it's a rerun of 1997 and is making errors but I think he's chosen this hill to have it out. And who dies on it we'll see. He definitely knows what his end game is, 100%. I just think he's going to make a pigs ear of it along the way. CLP's all over the country are now attempted to be gagged for calling motions in support of Corbyn. Ironically they call Corbyn a "Stalinist" but Starmer takes it to a new level. Ultimately he won't mind if members desert the party in their tens of thousands as he'll fill the gaps with corporate donors, but it will make for a messy few months that could end up in litigation and the press won't let it drop. Tough times for Keith...... It's going to be a shit show for all. It's worth reigniting my membership because it could well end up in a challenge.
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Post by franklin on Nov 20, 2020 10:06:04 GMT
Not really. He knows what he is doing though. I really don't think he does. He suspended him without justification, embarrassed himself by having to bring him back. breached the EHRC by suspending the whip and has alienated both left and right in the party. Other than that, it's gone blinding! I thought it was the Labour Party who suspended him nothing to do with Keir. I didn't realise it was his decision.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 20, 2020 10:08:25 GMT
Quite. A bit much you and Sir Kier laughing in the face of the the EHRC though isn't after all you've said. Don't you like that bit? Trotting out the latest line I see is racist grandpa a protected minority now then ? If you want to go down the EHRC line then the dispute should have gone to an independent panel. Good morning and welcome to another episode of FYD's EHRC pick and mix show!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 20, 2020 10:12:34 GMT
I really don't think he does. He suspended him without justification, embarrassed himself by having to bring him back. breached the EHRC by suspending the whip and has alienated both left and right in the party. Other than that, it's gone blinding! I thought it was the Labour Party who suspended him nothing to do with Keir. I didn't realise it was his decision. It was driven by the leaders office and cack handedly implemented by the oafish General Secretary with no regard for the rule book, hence it’s speedy retraction.
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Post by franklin on Nov 20, 2020 10:14:41 GMT
I thought it was the Labour Party who suspended him nothing to do with Keir. I didn't realise it was his decision. It was driven by the leaders office and cack handedly implemented by the oafish General Secretary with no regard for the rule book, hence it’s speedy retraction. Ah I didn't know that I thought it was a independent body in the party who told Keir but thanks for clearing that up.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 20, 2020 10:19:09 GMT
Trotting out the latest line I see is racist grandpa a protected minority now then ? If you want to go down the EHRC line then the dispute should have gone to an independent panel. Good morning and welcome to another episode of FYD's EHRC pick and mix show! The mental hoops you have to jump through to try and use a report only necessary because of Corbyn allowing and encouraging rampant anti semitism to defend and portray him as the victim. Still if you want to go down that presume Len "mood music" is also in breach fir threatening to withdraw funding unless corbyn is reinstated.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 20, 2020 10:24:11 GMT
Good morning and welcome to another episode of FYD's EHRC pick and mix show! The mental hoops you have to jump through to try and use a report only necessary because of Corbyn allowing and encouraging rampant anti semitism to defend and portray him as the victim. Still if you want to go down that presume Len "mood music" is also in breach fir threatening to withdraw funding unless corbyn is reinstated. Even the report acknowledges processes were worst under the pre 2018 NEC and acknowledges factiinalism. The report most strongly criticises Corbyn for getting involved, not the opposite. And acknowledhes the majority of these were to speed things up not the opposite. The media and the right make it all about Corbyn. But the report doesnt.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 23, 2020 16:50:49 GMT
For those who like polls....
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Post by lordb on Nov 23, 2020 17:12:47 GMT
For those who like polls.... think it's time the media gave as much air time to The Greens as they do the Lib Dems
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 23, 2020 17:21:15 GMT
For those who like polls.... think it's time the media gave as much air time to The Greens as they do the Lib Dems To be fair with Starmer about there's absolutely no need to vote Lib Dems in the next election.....
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