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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 23, 2020 19:06:53 GMT
think it's time the media gave as much air time to The Greens as they do the Lib Dems To be fair with Starmer about there's absolutely no need to vote Lib Dems in the next election..... I would of thought at the next election the Lib Dem’s will offer the only left wing alternative
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 24, 2020 0:37:51 GMT
Nailed it.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Nov 24, 2020 2:49:44 GMT
He did indeed. It's a car crash. Threatening letter's to Young Labour for speaking up. Whole CLPs being threatened with suspension. Hes either trying to purge enough left members to be safe from a leadership challenge or completely useless. Or, most likely, both. A very detailed survey of opinion of Labour members has gone out, I cant help thinking hes trying to see how safe he is... Daft bastard was safe as houses until this. I'm seeing people who were very pro Starmer furious and threatening to leave. It's a fight to the death now. He's pot committed.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 24, 2020 7:11:46 GMT
The “it” being nailed is the lid on the coffin that contains Labour’s electoral prospects for the next election.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 24, 2020 7:27:37 GMT
The “it” being nailed is the lid on the coffin that contains Labour’s electoral prospects for the next election. The “it” being the current car crash of a party.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 24, 2020 9:07:44 GMT
A very thought provoking watch
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 24, 2020 9:41:46 GMT
A good summary Prestwich. It seems like the perennial problem within Labour. I was almost expelled, from my local branch in Nottingham in the mid eighties and treated with suspicion of being a member of Militant Tendency....the division of those who think that they are true socialists and those who , for whatever reason, see themselves as social democrat/ centre but left of centre/ or more electable. It seems to me like it's a home for those who want to talk and fight for " issues" rather than listen and represent their communities. ...the issues may be laudable, extremely important, and they may be " correct" in their position , but anti racism , the Palestinian question and being seen to be close to the IRA ( for whatever reasons) doesn’t particularly resonate with their traditional core vote. Brexit did.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 24, 2020 10:28:30 GMT
A good summary Prestwich. It seems like the perpetual problem within Labour. I was almost expelled, from my local branch in Nottingham in the mid eighties and treated with suspicion of being a member of Militant Tendency....the division by thise who think that they are true socialists and those who , for whatever reason, see themselves as social democrat/ centre but left of centre/ or more electable. It seems to me like its a home for thise who want to talk and fight for " issues" rather than listen and represent their communities. ...the issues may be laudable, extremely important, and they may be " correct" in their position , but anti racism , the Palestinian question and being seen to be close to the IRA ( for whatever reasons) doesn’t particularly resonate with their traditional core vote. Brexit did. I fully admit I’m no supporter of labour but I have always believed the Labour Party has been a bastion of freedom of speech Without a doubt starmer is trying to control both speech and thought which to me is worrying Brexit may well have been the catalyst of the red wall falling but a deeper delve into it In many of those seats the labour share of the vote has been in decline for election after election This could well be because of the loss of large scale organised labour in large factories But I do believe that many former labour voters are disillusioned with the party being run by a metropolitan elite that they have nothing in common with That concentrate on issues that have no bearing on their lives
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 24, 2020 12:29:30 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 26, 2020 21:08:17 GMT
The bloke's completely unhinged I think.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 26, 2020 21:21:30 GMT
The bloke's completely unhinged I think. Talk about striking whilst the irons cold! This blokes got no chance
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 26, 2020 21:29:07 GMT
The bloke's completely unhinged I think. Talk about striking whilst the irons cold! This blokes got no chance And of course the net effect of the current leaderships action is..... but none of this has ever been about anti-Semitism or the pain of Jewish people has it?
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Post by swampmongrel on Nov 26, 2020 21:53:01 GMT
A good summary Prestwich. It seems like the perpetual problem within Labour. I was almost expelled, from my local branch in Nottingham in the mid eighties and treated with suspicion of being a member of Militant Tendency....the division by thise who think that they are true socialists and those who , for whatever reason, see themselves as social democrat/ centre but left of centre/ or more electable. It seems to me like its a home for thise who want to talk and fight for " issues" rather than listen and represent their communities. ...the issues may be laudable, extremely important, and they may be " correct" in their position , but anti racism , the Palestinian question and being seen to be close to the IRA ( for whatever reasons) doesn’t particularly resonate with their traditional core vote. Brexit did. I fully admit I’m no supporter of labour but I have always believed the Labour Party has been a bastion of freedom of speech Without a doubt starmer is trying to control both speech and thought which to me is worrying Brexit may well have been the catalyst of the red wall falling but a deeper delve into it In many of those seats the labour share of the vote has been in decline for election after election This could well be because of the loss of large scale organised labour in large factories But I do believe that many former labour voters are disillusioned with the party being run by a metropolitan elite that they have nothing in common with That concentrate on issues that have no bearing on their lives I have no evidence for this but I genuinely think ‘Rochdale’, ‘Rotherham’, ‘Telford’ etc. played a bigger part in Labours collapse in the ‘Red Wall’ than has generally been acknowledged. You mix that sense of ‘Labour doesn’t care about people like us’ ,alongside Brexit, alongside Corbyn’s fringe Palestine thing, alongside ‘metropolitan’ white van man sneering and I’m fucking amazed that Labour still managed to hold on to 200 odd seats.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 26, 2020 22:14:26 GMT
Unfortunately you’re totally right as they say out Norfolk way he’s a wrong un
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 27, 2020 16:07:17 GMT
Wonders never cease....
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 1, 2020 7:30:52 GMT
See the dodgy unprincipled charlatan is back on the fence today Instructing his MPs to abstain in the vote on tiers
Honest all you hospitality workers we didn’t vote to restrict you honest we didn’t We just sat on are arse and did fuck all
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Post by followyoudown on Dec 1, 2020 12:49:13 GMT
See the dodgy unprincipled charlatan is back on the fence today Instructing his MPs to abstain in the vote on tiers Honest all you hospitality workers we didn’t vote to restrict you honest we didn’t We just sat on are arse and did fuck all Worked well for them on brexit, I am surprised he doesn't mention the firebreak anymore should have done what they are doing in Wales, how'd that work out ?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 1, 2020 14:08:54 GMT
This is comfortably the most inept parliament of our lifetime.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 1, 2020 14:10:54 GMT
There aren't many Labour mps that are likeable these days but Graham Stringer is great isn't he. Completely behind the working man and respect to him for voting against the new restrictions.
Supported brexit and is an anti lockdowner - what isn't there to like about that.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 1, 2020 14:16:19 GMT
This is comfortably the most inept parliament of our lifetime. Hard hitting stuff....
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 1, 2020 14:18:32 GMT
This is comfortably the most inept parliament of our lifetime. Hard hitting stuff.... It's awful mate just awful. I have so much sympathy for all those going through so much pain right now, people losing their jobs, livelihood, everything.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 1, 2020 14:22:35 GMT
This is comfortably the most inept parliament of our lifetime. Hard hitting stuff.... He even abstains in his tweets!
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 1, 2020 15:19:30 GMT
He even abstains in his tweets! Well he can’t be seen to get to close to workers rights in case he upsets his new corporate Backers
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 1, 2020 15:24:44 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 1, 2020 15:47:43 GMT
He even abstains in his tweets! The problem, of course, is the world has changed and folk don’t buy their stuff from the big stores anymore. COVID has accelerated things, but there ain’t no going back. It would be more useful to hear his views on what the future is rather than a bunch of false platitudes. (Same goes for the other political parties).
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 1, 2020 19:33:40 GMT
He even abstains in his tweets! The problem, of course, is the world has changed and folk don’t buy their stuff from the big stores anymore. COVID has accelerated things, but there ain’t no going back. It would be more useful to hear his views on what the future is rather than a bunch of false platitudes. (Same goes for the other political parties). The poor on line presence completely did for Arcadia for sure. The mad thing is, having the brand is most of the battle, the rest is fairly easy in this day and age. Makes you wonder how Green made so much money but I guess paying your missus a £1.2 Billion whilst the pension pots of the lowest paid in your organisation rot, helps.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 2, 2020 8:50:12 GMT
This is good news apparently.... Two cheeks of the same arse.... With Labour ceasing to be a racist party from the second week of December, I’m shocked that not only is this man contributing to them financially again, but he was actually courted by Starmer’s team to do so....... Anyone else starting to get the impression that under Starmer Labour seem to be getting a little bit more racist if anything?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 2, 2020 8:58:56 GMT
Two cheeks of the same arse.... With Labour ceasing to be a racist party from the second week of December, I’m shocked that not only is this man contributing to them financially again, but he was actually courted by Starmer’s team to do so....... Anyone else starting to get the impression that under Starmer Labour seem to be getting a little bit more racist if anything? Jesus wept. Meanwhile 'call me Ange' purges thousands of decent members for passing perfectly in order CLP motions. What an absolute shit show.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 2, 2020 9:03:22 GMT
The list of donors to his leadership campaign makes errr interesting reading!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 2, 2020 9:13:31 GMT
The list of donors to his leadership campaign makes errr interesting reading! A party that is willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of ordinary members and trade unionists and instead court donations from individuals who clearly want something for their money is not one I'm interested in voting for. Good luck to them........
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