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Post by wannabee on Aug 29, 2024 22:15:59 GMT
Apparently the reasoning behind this is that somehow it has been determined that the 2015 election result was secured in the first 3 months after the 2010 election when the Tories constantly hammered home the messaging about the mess Labour left them in. They both do it. Its the new uni party way. And to be fair Labour did leave an unholy mess. They even left a note telling them as such. But as for Starmer. Wow he's a real problem. He looks down his nose at everyone except his puppeteers. He won't last 18 months. He's a charlatan and a back stabbing little prick hell bent on power and fuck everyone in how he gets it and maintains it. He'll be sussed out soon enough... It was traditional that the outgoing Treasury Minister left a jocular note for the incoming Minister. Unfortunately the unexpected LibDem incumbent, either through naivety or for malicious reasons, broke with tradition and made it public before being subsequently being sacked over a different matter of fiddling his expenses 14 years later the Conservatives continued to peddle this Bollocks as an excuse for their Economic ineptitude And as for Starmer your confusing him with Johnson as a person that likes to Fuck everyone
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 29, 2024 22:23:13 GMT
They both do it. Its the new uni party way. And to be fair Labour did leave an unholy mess. They even left a note telling them as such. But as for Starmer. Wow he's a real problem. He looks down his nose at everyone except his puppeteers. He won't last 18 months. He's a charlatan and a back stabbing little prick hell bent on power and fuck everyone in how he gets it and maintains it. He'll be sussed out soon enough... It was traditional that the outgoing Treasury Minister left a jocular note for the incoming Minister. Unfortunately the unexpected LibDem incumbent, either through naivety or for malicious reasons, broke with tradition and made it public before being subsequently being sacked over a different matter of fiddling his expenses 14 years later the Conservatives continued to peddle this Bollocks as an excuse for their Economic ineptitude And as for Starmer your confusing him with Johnson as a person that likes to Fuck everyone 😆 starmer is nay bether than the lying toad Johnson. Hes blagged and lied his way to where he is. No political experience. Just another God complex charlatan. You'll see...
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Post by wannabee on Aug 29, 2024 22:53:34 GMT
It was traditional that the outgoing Treasury Minister left a jocular note for the incoming Minister. Unfortunately the unexpected LibDem incumbent, either through naivety or for malicious reasons, broke with tradition and made it public before being subsequently being sacked over a different matter of fiddling his expenses 14 years later the Conservatives continued to peddle this Bollocks as an excuse for their Economic ineptitude And as for Starmer your confusing him with Johnson as a person that likes to Fuck everyone 😆 starmer is nay bether than the lying toad Johnson. Hes blagged and lied his way to where he is. No political experience. Just another God complex charlatan. You'll see... Yes we will.... and it will be for a far longer period of time than you are predicting Johnson actually demonstrated that he was unfit for Public Office and his own Party got rid, people are salivating at the prospect that Starmer may fuck up, strange as it means the Country becomes even more Fucked Up. I guess it's a branch of Schopenhauerism
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Post by phileetin on Aug 30, 2024 7:09:58 GMT
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 30, 2024 8:37:22 GMT
😆 starmer is nay bether than the lying toad Johnson. Hes blagged and lied his way to where he is. No political experience. Just another God complex charlatan. You'll see... Yes we will.... and it will be for a far longer period of time than you are predicting Johnson actually demonstrated that he was unfit for Public Office and his own Party got rid, people are salivating at the prospect that Starmer may fuck up, strange as it means the Country becomes even more Fucked Up. I guess it's a branch of Schopenhauerism I actually had a bit of hope to be fair. But it isn't looking good so far. And I certainly didn't realise that starmer had such authoritarian tendencies as he's gleefully displaying. All I can see he wants to do is grow the govt blob and get more and more involved in disrupting personal freedoms and controlling our lives. He's showing that he's not the type of leader I want and judging by his sinking approval rating he doesn't seem to be impressing many other hopefuls either. He has a solid 1 out of 10 from me so far. And I can't see that improving. I'll maybe change my mind if he pulls of this reform of the planning system he keeps banging on about. That would be some achievement to be fair and for that I'd give credit where credit is due. But this sinister authoritarian air he has is very concerning. And I'm keeping an eye on his meddling in the civil service. Something smells rotten in all that..
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 30, 2024 8:44:32 GMT
Honestly how does this kind of dire calibre of person land a job as an MP? "Almost all doctors in Birmingham are Palestinian". I'd suggest the % of Palestinian doctors in the UK is well below 1%.
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Post by gawa on Aug 30, 2024 16:01:02 GMT
It's actions like this which won't be forgotten and have zero bearing on him being PM for only x weeks. This is the shit he was doing as labour leader for 4 years.
Not my PM.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 30, 2024 17:18:45 GMT
His problem is, this country has put up with this kind of politics for years with the blue twats and he seems to think it’ll carry on being accepted. The country voted for change (most of it which is fair enough). They are getting little change and the only negligible change is worse than it was so far. Can’t see him lasting a term
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 30, 2024 17:34:55 GMT
His problem is, this country has put up with this kind of politics for years with the blue twats and he seems to think it’ll carry on being accepted. The country voted for change (most of it which is fair enough). They are getting little change and the only negligible change is worse than it was so far. Can’t see him lasting a term A right wing military coup would be awesome right about now 🤗
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 30, 2024 17:35:23 GMT
His problem is, this country has put up with this kind of politics for years with the blue twats and he seems to think it’ll carry on being accepted. The country voted for change (most of it which is fair enough). They are getting little change and the only negligible change is worse than it was so far. Can’t see him lasting a term A right wing military coup would be awesome right about now 🤗 Wouldn’t it just!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 30, 2024 17:36:12 GMT
It's actions like this which won't be forgotten and have zero bearing on him being PM for only x weeks. This is the shit he was doing as labour leader for 4 years. Not my PM. You sound surprised mate? The Labour Party is vile. Always has been.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 30, 2024 17:40:08 GMT
A right wing military coup would be awesome right about now 🤗 Wouldn’t it just! Big Nige and Ricky Tice leading the line, storming Parliament on horseback and chucking the left in the Thames, draped in St Georges Cross. 🫶🫶🫶 Imagine the horror on the face of Carol Vorderman. She'd need another tit job to calm herself down.
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Post by stokeson on Aug 30, 2024 17:57:27 GMT
Big Nige and Ricky Tice leading the line, storming Parliament on horseback and chucking the left in the Thames, draped in St Georges Cross. 🫶🫶🫶 Imagine the horror on the face of Carol Vorderman. She'd need another tit job to calm herself down. Theres right wing Trumpian delusion but you boys take the biscuit......
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 30, 2024 18:02:14 GMT
Big Nige and Ricky Tice leading the line, storming Parliament on horseback and chucking the left in the Thames, draped in St Georges Cross. 🫶🫶🫶 Imagine the horror on the face of Carol Vorderman. She'd need another tit job to calm herself down. 🤣🤣 too right. Big Nige dragging Two Tier by his ankle on horseback through the streets of London flanked by a pack of beagles and Ricky Tice on the bugle
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 30, 2024 18:06:49 GMT
Big Nige and Ricky Tice leading the line, storming Parliament on horseback and chucking the left in the Thames, draped in St Georges Cross. 🫶🫶🫶 Imagine the horror on the face of Carol Vorderman. She'd need another tit job to calm herself down. Theres right wing Trumpian delusion but you boys take the biscuit...... You'd rather have a wank to a dork, a fraud and a liar who bans smoking outside pubs and laughs at people like you. But that's fine. Each to their own.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 30, 2024 18:12:17 GMT
To be honest I got very little enjoyment out of the Conservatives, bemusement at times but mostly just sickened at their incompetence and corruption but as I've acknowledged I did OK personally despite them rather than because of them Take your neighbours to the South they like the UK and most of the Western World except Canada and Australia suffered badly due to the Financial Crash of 2008 which was a Banking Crash, your neighbours even had to call in the IMF. They got their shit together and made sensible Financial decisions to grow the Economy In 2008 Ireland GDP was $275Bn at end of 2023 it was $545Bn an increase of 98% In 2008 UK GDP was $2929Bn at end of 2023 it was $3340Bn an increase of 14% With a population of 5M versus 70M you can easily see that 5 goes into 545 far more times than 70 goes into 3340 without the need of adding 4th/5th/6th biggest Economy in the World Bollocks It's amazing what a competant Government can do when the Economy is growing which is why Ireland last week announced a continuation of Winter Fuel Allowance to all people receiving a State Benefit of €924 while at the same time UK was restricting the £200 Winter Fuel Allowance I can't say whether it was the catalyst which prompted Colum Eastwood, a politician you have said you admire, to today step down as leader of SDLP to concentrate on efforts to bring about a United Ireland I reference the Irish GDP at times myself particularly when arguing about a potential United Ireland. However if we are to be honest with ourselves, we both know it's massively inflated and not representative of the actual state of affairs. Alot of that is from multinational corporations taking advantage of tax loopholes and pushing global profits offshore through Ireland. I believe some of the loopholes have closed in recent years but still its not really reflective of the actual economy. Statistics are like bikinis, what they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. With respect that's a rather narrow view in my opinion The GDP Base is how Taxes are assessed no matter who is contributing to it. There is no doubt Ireland has been hugely successful in attracting Multinational Companies Foreign Direct Investment partly but not solely due to it's Tax Base. Should other Countries e.g. UK exclude Multinational Companies from GDP in their Countries FDI or should they try and be more attractive to Foreign Investors to grow Economy and increase Tax take? I specifically mentioned Global Financial Crash because in 1999 Ireland reduced its Corporate Tax Rate from 32% to 12.5% which commenced the GDP growth What you may be alluding to is that Ireland also established itself as a major centre for Multinational Companies to Hold and manage Intellectual Property which is another income stream Ireland is not a Tax Haven and never has been according to OECD Chief Dr Angel Gurria as far back as 2013. www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ireland-is-not-a-tax-haven-says-oecd-chief-1.1525865In 2021 Ireland along with 140 other Countries as negotiated by OECD agreed to keep Corporate Tax Rates at a minimum 15% and from 2024 that is the rate in Ireland (UK recently increased Corporation Tax rate from 19% to 25%) At the end of the day do you think a Pensioner in Dublin who will receive a Winter Fuel Allowance of €924 or a Pensioner in Belfast who is likely to receive nothing is more content and which thinks their Government is more competent?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 30, 2024 18:24:02 GMT
Big Nige and Ricky Tice leading the line, storming Parliament on horseback and chucking the left in the Thames, draped in St Georges Cross. 🫶🫶🫶 Imagine the horror on the face of Carol Vorderman. She'd need another tit job to calm herself down. 🤣🤣 too right. Big Nige dragging Two Tier by his ankle on horseback through the streets of London flanked by a pack of beagles and Ricky Tice on the bugle 😄Heavenly stuff.
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Aug 30, 2024 18:58:00 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/couple-chanting-we-want-country-9521154"Partner Deana Evans filmed the incident, shouted and chanted." "Evans locked up for 20 months " "It was stressed that warehouse worker Evans did not throw any missiles or attack the police " Jailing the couple, Judge Graeme Smith said: "The seriousness of the offence means appropriate punishment can only be achieved by immediate custody." Meanwhile, the absolute state who threw concrete at farage got a 6 week suspended sentence and a nominal fine.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 30, 2024 21:02:51 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/couple-chanting-we-want-country-9521154"Partner Deana Evans filmed the incident, shouted and chanted." "Evans locked up for 20 months " "It was stressed that warehouse worker Evans did not throw any missiles or attack the police " Jailing the couple, Judge Graeme Smith said: "The seriousness of the offence means appropriate punishment can only be achieved by immediate custody." Meanwhile, the absolute state who threw concrete at farage got a 6 week suspended sentence and a nominal fine. Did you have a problem reading the Article? "Lockett paced up and down and through the police cordon in Cannon Place while Evans filmed the incident. Both attempted to obstruct a police van on Broad Street. Lockett appeared to be the leader of that action. He was involved in a sit-down protest next to the old library." (Just stop Oil Dorks anyone) "The pair were arrested on August 22 and Evans assaulted a police officer by elbowing him" (Oh dear) Scaffolder Lockett, of Fletcher Bank, Newcastle, pleaded guilty to violent disorder. Evans, of Poplar Court, Newcastle, pleaded guilty to violent disorder and assaulting an emergency worker.(Really) The court heard both defendants were once homeless and have overcome drug addictions. (Well at least they won't have to worry about accommodation for a while, or a bit of gear most likely) As you quoted from the Article on the Court Proceedings : It was stressed that warehouse worker Evans did not throw any missiles or attack the police (Apart from pleadeding guilty to violent disorder and attacking an Emergency Worker) You forgot to finish the sentence (pun intended) and prioritises the needs of her mum and dogs - including an XL Bully - before herself. (Such unselfishnss brings a tear) The "absolute state" threw a Coffe Cup towards Farage and missed, not concrete He was also ordered to do Community Service in lieu of Gaol Time as the Judge observed he had a reasonable chance to rehabilitate himself. Surprising therefore the Judge in the case of the two upstanding Citizens above didn't get the same, is this an example of Two Tier Keir Policing?
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Post by desman2 on Aug 30, 2024 21:18:21 GMT
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Post by gawa on Aug 30, 2024 21:31:43 GMT
It's actions like this which won't be forgotten and have zero bearing on him being PM for only x weeks. This is the shit he was doing as labour leader for 4 years. Not my PM. You sound surprised mate? The Labour Party is vile. Always has been. I'm not surprised as I criticised Sam Tarrys treatment at the time. But I know if he was a tory or Reform mp he would have got the same treatment too as neither of those parties stand with workers on picket lines either. Like this Labour the only lines they're interested in are those of their own pockets. Labour, in my opinion, have had some very good MPs and leaders, as have the tories too. This current lot though I don't think serve the interests of the working man. We all have different political views and ideologies though and while Labour aren't right for me, I'm glad others do feel represented. Inequality is obviously a key issue for me and that's why I personally don't support Reform either. As someone on the further left there isn't much hope either way unless something drastic changes. As John Steinback once said: "Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
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Post by gawa on Aug 30, 2024 21:48:45 GMT
I reference the Irish GDP at times myself particularly when arguing about a potential United Ireland. However if we are to be honest with ourselves, we both know it's massively inflated and not representative of the actual state of affairs. Alot of that is from multinational corporations taking advantage of tax loopholes and pushing global profits offshore through Ireland. I believe some of the loopholes have closed in recent years but still its not really reflective of the actual economy. Statistics are like bikinis, what they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. With respect that's a rather narrow view in my opinion The GDP Base is how Taxes are assessed no matter who is contributing to it. There is no doubt Ireland has been hugely successful in attracting Multinational Companies Foreign Direct Investment partly but not solely due to it's Tax Base. Should other Countries e.g. UK exclude Multinational Companies from GDP in their Countries FDI or should they try and be more attractive to Foreign Investors to grow Economy and increase Tax take? I specifically mentioned Global Financial Crash because in 1999 Ireland reduced its Corporate Tax Rate from 32% to 12.5% which commenced the GDP growth What you may be alluding to is that Ireland also established itself as a major centre for Multinational Companies to Hold and manage Intellectual Property which is another income stream Ireland is not a Tax Haven and never has been according to OECD Chief Dr Angel Gurria as far back as 2013. www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ireland-is-not-a-tax-haven-says-oecd-chief-1.1525865In 2021 Ireland along with 140 other Countries as negotiated by OECD agreed to keep Corporate Tax Rates at a minimum 15% and from 2024 that is the rate in Ireland (UK recently increased Corporation Tax rate from 19% to 25%) At the end of the day do you think a Pensioner in Dublin who will receive a Winter Fuel Allowance of €924 or a Pensioner in Belfast who is likely to receive nothing is more content and which thinks their Government is more competent? "Modified gross national income (also Modified GNI or GNI*) is a metric used by the Central Statistics Office (Ireland) to measure the Irish economy rather than GNI or GDP." "While "Inflated GDP-per-capita" due to BEPS tools is a feature of tax havens, Ireland was the first to adjust its GDP metrics. Economists, including Eurostat, noted Irish Modified GNI (GNI*) is still distorted by Irish BEPS tools and US multinational tax planning activities in Ireland" BEPS - Base erosion and profit shifting (BEPS) refers to corporate tax planning strategies used by multinationals to "shift" profits from higher-tax jurisdictions to lower-tax jurisdictions or no-tax locations where there is little or no economic activity, thus "eroding" the "tax-base" of the higher-tax jurisdictions using deductible payments such as interest or royalties. Source - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modified_gross_national_incomeA few years ago Ireland had the highest debt per person in the euro zone too. So I think Ireland is a bit of an anomaly when you take its size into account as well compared to the likes of the UK. www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/budget-2019-who-still-owes-more-the-irish-or-the-greeks-1.3625800Yes it makes the economy look better and more attractive and brings more money in but its also papering over the cracks a bit too. Effectively at the beck and call of the corporations to prop up the economy. Oh that's a no brainer there. The Irish economy has its issues but when you take healthcare and everything else into account - the south is certainly doing better at the moment in my opinion.
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Aug 30, 2024 21:57:50 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/couple-chanting-we-want-country-9521154"Partner Deana Evans filmed the incident, shouted and chanted." "Evans locked up for 20 months " "It was stressed that warehouse worker Evans did not throw any missiles or attack the police " Jailing the couple, Judge Graeme Smith said: "The seriousness of the offence means appropriate punishment can only be achieved by immediate custody." Meanwhile, the absolute state who threw concrete at farage got a 6 week suspended sentence and a nominal fine. Did you have a problem reading the Article? "Lockett paced up and down and through the police cordon in Cannon Place while Evans filmed the incident. Both attempted to obstruct a police van on Broad Street. Lockett appeared to be the leader of that action. He was involved in a sit-down protest next to the old library." (Just stop Oil Dorks anyone) "The pair were arrested on August 22 and Evans assaulted a police officer by elbowing him" (Oh dear) Scaffolder Lockett, of Fletcher Bank, Newcastle, pleaded guilty to violent disorder. Evans, of Poplar Court, Newcastle, pleaded guilty to violent disorder and assaulting an emergency worker.(Really) The court heard both defendants were once homeless and have overcome drug addictions. (Well at least they won't have to worry about accommodation for a while, or a bit of gear most likely) As you quoted from the Article on the Court Proceedings : It was stressed that warehouse worker Evans did not throw any missiles or attack the police (Apart from pleadeding guilty to violent disorder and attacking an Emergency Worker) You forgot to finish the sentence (pun intended) and prioritises the needs of her mum and dogs - including an XL Bully - before herself. (Such unselfishnss brings a tear) The "absolute state" threw a Coffe Cup towards Farage and missed, not concrete He was also ordered to do Community Service in lieu of Gaol Time as the Judge observed he had a reasonable chance to rehabilitate himself. Surprising therefore the Judge in the case of the two upstanding Citizens above didn't get the same, is this an example of Two Tier Keir Policing? I've definitely not missed your snide condescension. If you've seen enough in that article to view her sentence as commensurate with the crimes then you're an alien to me. Here's footage of the farage attacker. He initially throws a coffee cup before turning to a builder's bin and indiscriminately grabbing a second object to throw. Farage claimed that object was cement, and the video evidence makes that a completely credible claim even if it isn't 100% verifiable. But maybe you don't believe him?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 30, 2024 22:03:35 GMT
Big Nige and Ricky Tice leading the line, storming Parliament on horseback and chucking the left in the Thames, draped in St Georges Cross. 🫶🫶🫶 Imagine the horror on the face of Carol Vorderman. She'd need another tit job to calm herself down. Farage would be coughing up a lung before he had chance to cross Great George Street.....
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Post by wannabee on Aug 30, 2024 23:19:40 GMT
Did you have a problem reading the Article? "Lockett paced up and down and through the police cordon in Cannon Place while Evans filmed the incident. Both attempted to obstruct a police van on Broad Street. Lockett appeared to be the leader of that action. He was involved in a sit-down protest next to the old library." (Just stop Oil Dorks anyone) "The pair were arrested on August 22 and Evans assaulted a police officer by elbowing him" (Oh dear) Scaffolder Lockett, of Fletcher Bank, Newcastle, pleaded guilty to violent disorder. Evans, of Poplar Court, Newcastle, pleaded guilty to violent disorder and assaulting an emergency worker.(Really) The court heard both defendants were once homeless and have overcome drug addictions. (Well at least they won't have to worry about accommodation for a while, or a bit of gear most likely) As you quoted from the Article on the Court Proceedings : It was stressed that warehouse worker Evans did not throw any missiles or attack the police (Apart from pleadeding guilty to violent disorder and attacking an Emergency Worker) You forgot to finish the sentence (pun intended) and prioritises the needs of her mum and dogs - including an XL Bully - before herself. (Such unselfishnss brings a tear) The "absolute state" threw a Coffe Cup towards Farage and missed, not concrete He was also ordered to do Community Service in lieu of Gaol Time as the Judge observed he had a reasonable chance to rehabilitate himself. Surprising therefore the Judge in the case of the two upstanding Citizens above didn't get the same, is this an example of Two Tier Keir Policing? I've definitely not missed your snide condescension. If you've seen enough in that article to view her sentence as commensurate with the crimes then you're an alien to me. Here's footage of the farage attacker. He initially throws a coffee cup before turning to a builder's bin and indiscriminately grabbing a second object to throw. Farage claimed that object was cement, and the video evidence makes that a completely credible claim even if it isn't 100% verifiable. But maybe you don't believe him? If you think pleading guilty to violent disorder for attacking an Emergency Worker doesn't warrant a custodial sentence then I'm happy for you to consider me an Alien to whatever species you are from At the trial of the of person who threw objects at Farage is was observed by the Trial Judge that the first object was a coffee cup and the second was difficult to confirm but looked like a coffee cup or paper from the video evidence he was viewing. Of course I don't believe Farage he talks Bollocks, it's what he does, perhaps he'd had an extra pint that day and was vision impaired. The trial Judge couldn't be certain if it was a coffee cup or paper. www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/28/sentence-man-who-threw-object-at-nigel-farage-barnsley
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Post by wannabee on Aug 31, 2024 0:39:51 GMT
With respect that's a rather narrow view in my opinion The GDP Base is how Taxes are assessed no matter who is contributing to it. There is no doubt Ireland has been hugely successful in attracting Multinational Companies Foreign Direct Investment partly but not solely due to it's Tax Base. Should other Countries e.g. UK exclude Multinational Companies from GDP in their Countries FDI or should they try and be more attractive to Foreign Investors to grow Economy and increase Tax take? I specifically mentioned Global Financial Crash because in 1999 Ireland reduced its Corporate Tax Rate from 32% to 12.5% which commenced the GDP growth What you may be alluding to is that Ireland also established itself as a major centre for Multinational Companies to Hold and manage Intellectual Property which is another income stream Ireland is not a Tax Haven and never has been according to OECD Chief Dr Angel Gurria as far back as 2013. www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ireland-is-not-a-tax-haven-says-oecd-chief-1.1525865In 2021 Ireland along with 140 other Countries as negotiated by OECD agreed to keep Corporate Tax Rates at a minimum 15% and from 2024 that is the rate in Ireland (UK recently increased Corporation Tax rate from 19% to 25%) At the end of the day do you think a Pensioner in Dublin who will receive a Winter Fuel Allowance of €924 or a Pensioner in Belfast who is likely to receive nothing is more content and which thinks their Government is more competent? "Modified gross national income (also Modified GNI or GNI*) is a metric used by the Central Statistics Office (Ireland) to measure the Irish economy rather than GNI or GDP." "While "Inflated GDP-per-capita" due to BEPS tools is a feature of tax havens, Ireland was the first to adjust its GDP metrics. Economists, including Eurostat, noted Irish Modified GNI (GNI*) is still distorted by Irish BEPS tools and US multinational tax planning activities in Ireland" BEPS - Base erosion and profit shifting (BEPS) refers to corporate tax planning strategies used by multinationals to "shift" profits from higher-tax jurisdictions to lower-tax jurisdictions or no-tax locations where there is little or no economic activity, thus "eroding" the "tax-base" of the higher-tax jurisdictions using deductible payments such as interest or royalties. Source - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modified_gross_national_incomeA few years ago Ireland had the highest debt per person in the euro zone too. So I think Ireland is a bit of an anomaly when you take its size into account as well compared to the likes of the UK. www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/budget-2019-who-still-owes-more-the-irish-or-the-greeks-1.3625800Yes it makes the economy look better and more attractive and brings more money in but its also papering over the cracks a bit too. Effectively at the beck and call of the corporations to prop up the economy. Oh that's a no brainer there. The Irish economy has its issues but when you take healthcare and everything else into account - the south is certainly doing better at the moment in my opinion. I'm struggling to understand the point you are trying to make Before we stray too far off on a Tangent let me restate my original point, briefly The Financial Banking Crash occurred in 2007/8 and affected most Western Economies. In Europe the most affected were the PIIGS Portugal, Italy, Ireland Greece and Spain. In Irelands situation as I said the Debt levels were so bad that IMF were called in (as they were in UK in 1976 due to a currency crisis) to provide a Bailout Loan. The loan came with conditions of Austerity. Ireland decided to reshape its Economy to what it is today. UK at the same time voluntarily chose Austerity at a period of time when interest rates were historically low and remained so up to 2021.Two different choices, cheeks of an arse if you prefer. Ireland was the first Pig to exit Bailout in 2013 and they now admit that continuing Austerity until 2015 was a mistake Hey-ho. The 2019 debt levels you linked need to be taken in context of other fundamentals at that time, in any case its irrelevant 5 years on. Having a PhD in Economics from LSE and an Accountancy Qualification I'm quite familiar with the Financial Terms you have cut and pasted from Wiki. So what, BEPS are a legitimate financial tool that can be exploited, unless you disagree? I accept its difficult to compare two Economies who have chosen different Financial Models but a very simple one I introduced initially without even bothering to name is GDP per Capita when I compared 5/545 versus 70/3340. It is why on this measure Ireland ranks about 4th in the World and UK twenty something. Norway is No 1 per Capita and we have discussed Wealth Funds before and why Norways is ginormous because they exploited their own Oil and Gas. Ireland is steadily building its Wealth Fund via excess funds it generates, rainy day money if you like. Most Petro Economies have Weath Funds because they know that revenue stream is time limited so they invest in diverse projects. UK has huge debt compared to its Annual Income and no Wealth Fund so is more vulnerable to shocks than many Economies. This is the result of very poor Financial Management for decades. Finally this is my point which given your location I felt the comparison was particularly apt. At a Worldwide crossroads event(Crash) UK Government (Conservative) chose exactly the wrong solution (Austerity) when conditions (Interest Rates) dictated the exact opposite (Investment). We have different views on how Labour may perform Fiscally, I don't think we differ too far on what Labour should do morally. I'm old and can afford to be somewhat philosophical but I earnestly believe that UK has reached another crossroads both fiscally and societal and I've never seen such a divide and its on many lines. It's a heavy responsibility
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Aug 31, 2024 1:33:15 GMT
If you think pleading guilty to violent disorder for attacking an Emergency Worker doesn't warrant a custodial sentence then I'm happy for you to consider me an Alien to whatever species you are from There is 0 clarification in that sentinel article on the nature of the assault on the emergency worker, which is strange because that is clearly the most serious offence. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ykjemm333oThe BBC describes it as "common assault" but again provides no actual details beyond that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_assaultThere's a vagueness here that feels intentional. Did this woman get raided, resisted arrest and then that's where these assault charges have come into play?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 31, 2024 1:58:10 GMT
If you think pleading guilty to violent disorder for attacking an Emergency Worker doesn't warrant a custodial sentence then I'm happy for you to consider me an Alien to whatever species you are from There is 0 clarification in that sentinel article on the nature of the assault on the emergency worker, which is strange because that is clearly the most serious offence. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ykjemm333oThe BBC describes it as "common assault" but again provides no actual details beyond that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_assaultThere's a vagueness here that feels intentional. Did this woman get raided, resisted arrest and then that's where these assault charges have come into play?
Nothing vague about her pleading guilty to assaulting a police officer during her arrest, which would have contributed to her sentence.
And no mention in your original post of him pleading guilty to throwing rocks, or the assault on the emergency worker.
The bits that you cherry picked from the article, whilst avoiding the more serious offences, is a bit odd if you were attempting to be balanced in your presentation of what took place.
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Aug 31, 2024 2:15:56 GMT
There is 0 clarification in that sentinel article on the nature of the assault on the emergency worker, which is strange because that is clearly the most serious offence. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ykjemm333oThe BBC describes it as "common assault" but again provides no actual details beyond that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_assaultThere's a vagueness here that feels intentional. Did this woman get raided, resisted arrest and then that's where these assault charges have come into play? Nothing vague about her pleading guilty to assaulting a police officer during her arrest, which would have contributed to her sentence. And no mention in your original post of him pleading guilty to throwing rocks, or the assault on the emergency worker.
The bits that you cherry picked from the article, whilst avoiding the more serious offences, is a bit odd if you were attempting to be balanced in your presentation of what took place.
I didn’t mention him because I wasn’t looking to defend him. In her case, I want to know more (where did the assaults take place? what was the exact nature of the assault) before I’m willing to back down, and not just suspect this is total shithousery.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 31, 2024 2:24:45 GMT
Nothing vague about her pleading guilty to assaulting a police officer during her arrest, which would have contributed to her sentence. And no mention in your original post of him pleading guilty to throwing rocks, or the assault on the emergency worker.
The bits that you cherry picked from the article, whilst avoiding the more serious offences, is a bit odd if you were attempting to be balanced in your presentation of what took place.
I didn’t mention him because I wasn’t looking to defend him. In her case, I want to know more (where did the assaults take place? what was the exact nature of the assault) before I’m willing to back down, and not just suspect this is total shithousery.
But you didn't even remotely mention any of that in your original post, did you?
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