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Post by wannabee on Aug 29, 2024 9:47:31 GMT
Do you have a problem with a Party being honest with the Electorate before an Election 🤣🤣🤣🤣 honest. I think the person with the biggest problem is the one who is happy to jump on all tory criticism but when his beloved compulsive liar is criticised they want to challenge all the critics and question their motives. A reasonable attempt at avoiding the question 7/10 You have also not being paying attention, which is understandable as you can't be expected to read every post but I have criticised things Starmer has said before and after the GE
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Post by gawa on Aug 29, 2024 10:06:36 GMT
🤣🤣🤣🤣 honest. I think the person with the biggest problem is the one who is happy to jump on all tory criticism but when his beloved compulsive liar is criticised they want to challenge all the critics and question their motives. A reasonable attempt at avoiding the question 7/10 You have also not being paying attention, which is understandable as you can't be expected to read every post but I have criticised things Starmer has said before and after the GE The guys card is marked he is a compulsive liar and I will be criticising him and his nodding busters for the duration of their tenure. Just because Boris told a few truths it didn't stop him from being a compulsive liar. Just because Keir is nice to a few non white people doesn't mean I look past the despicable racist treatment of Diane Abbott which there has been no admission or apology for. Just because Keir has removed record numbers of Jewish people from the party it doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the antisemetic treatment of any Jewish person who dares stand up to zionist aggression. He doesn't represent me. He never will represent me. And a labour party which is now stacked with people who subscribe to his politics, or cross the chamber to join it, won't represent me for a very long time. And I'm not the only left wing person to think that. The Labour votes in 2024 and the Labour membership numbers show that there are MANY former Labour supporters who are no longer represented by them. As labour sources said. They've shaken off the fleas, and this flea won't be returning.
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Post by Tom_stokiepmre89 on Aug 29, 2024 10:11:52 GMT
I think we can safely change the thread title now to “knives out for starmer because he is shit”.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 29, 2024 10:32:01 GMT
A reasonable attempt at avoiding the question 7/10 You have also not being paying attention, which is understandable as you can't be expected to read every post but I have criticised things Starmer has said before and after the GE The guys card is marked he is a compulsive liar and I will be criticising him and his nodding busters for the duration of their tenure.
Just because Boris told a few truths it didn't stop him from being a compulsive liar. Just because Keir is nice to a few non white people doesn't mean I look past the despicable racist treatment of Diane Abbott which there has been no admission or apology for. Just because Keir has removed record numbers of Jewish people from the party it doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the antisemetic treatment of any Jewish person who dares stand up to zionist aggression. He doesn't represent me. He never will represent me. And a labour party which is now stacked with people who subscribe to his politics, or cross the chamber to join it, won't represent me for a very long time. And I'm not the only left wing person to think that. The Labour votes in 2024 and the Labour membership numbers show that there are MANY former Labour supporters who are no longer represented by them. As labour sources said. They've shaken off the fleas, and this flea won't be returning. Good, everyone should have a hobby
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Post by gawa on Aug 29, 2024 11:26:18 GMT
The guys card is marked he is a compulsive liar and I will be criticising him and his nodding busters for the duration of their tenure.
Just because Boris told a few truths it didn't stop him from being a compulsive liar. Just because Keir is nice to a few non white people doesn't mean I look past the despicable racist treatment of Diane Abbott which there has been no admission or apology for. Just because Keir has removed record numbers of Jewish people from the party it doesn't mean I'm going to ignore the antisemetic treatment of any Jewish person who dares stand up to zionist aggression. He doesn't represent me. He never will represent me. And a labour party which is now stacked with people who subscribe to his politics, or cross the chamber to join it, won't represent me for a very long time. And I'm not the only left wing person to think that. The Labour votes in 2024 and the Labour membership numbers show that there are MANY former Labour supporters who are no longer represented by them. As labour sources said. They've shaken off the fleas, and this flea won't be returning. Good, everyone should have a hobby Thanks mate. You seemed to get alot of enjoyment out of criticising the government these last few years so seems like a great hobby to pick up I see you've picked up phileetin's hobby. Let us know how you're getting on
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 29, 2024 12:42:36 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Aug 29, 2024 13:34:45 GMT
Good, everyone should have a hobby Thanks mate. You seemed to get alot of enjoyment out of criticising the government these last few years so seems like a great hobby to pick up I see you've picked up phileetin's hobby. Let us know how you're getting on To be honest I got very little enjoyment out of the Conservatives, bemusement at times but mostly just sickened at their incompetence and corruption but as I've acknowledged I did OK personally despite them rather than because of them Take your neighbours to the South they like the UK and most of the Western World except Canada and Australia suffered badly due to the Financial Crash of 2008 which was a Banking Crash, your neighbours even had to call in the IMF. They got their shit together and made sensible Financial decisions to grow the Economy In 2008 Ireland GDP was $275Bn at end of 2023 it was $545Bn an increase of 98% In 2008 UK GDP was $2929Bn at end of 2023 it was $3340Bn an increase of 14% With a population of 5M versus 70M you can easily see that 5 goes into 545 far more times than 70 goes into 3340 without the need of adding 4th/5th/6th biggest Economy in the World Bollocks It's amazing what a competant Government can do when the Economy is growing which is why Ireland last week announced a continuation of Winter Fuel Allowance to all people receiving a State Benefit of €924 while at the same time UK was restricting the £200 Winter Fuel Allowance I can't say whether it was the catalyst which prompted Colum Eastwood, a politician you have said you admire, to today step down as leader of SDLP to concentrate on efforts to bring about a United Ireland
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Post by wannabee on Aug 29, 2024 13:46:44 GMT
Starmer looking at possibly extending the smoking ban has got its own thread Starmer cancelling a £40M Annual Contract with a Private Operator which was used to ferry Rishi and obviously other very important people, in their own minds, around the UK has received very little attention. Strange that. www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7853gq38p1o.amp
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 29, 2024 15:11:21 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 29, 2024 16:12:09 GMT
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Post by superjw on Aug 29, 2024 16:17:39 GMT
We will be paying in Euros before we know it. In all seriousness if we get back door EU return id be happy for free movement back so i can get myself out of here
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Post by gawa on Aug 29, 2024 16:29:16 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Aug 29, 2024 16:43:54 GMT
It good that we have grown up from the Liz Truss days of not knowing if France was a friend or an enemy. Starmer knows EU Countries don't/can't do bilaterals but Country reserved matters like Defence and Energy are on the table It softens the negotiating positions when talks with EU to amend TCA commence that goodwill has been built up with Germany and France
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 29, 2024 18:44:06 GMT
It good that we have grown up from the Liz Truss days of not knowing if France was a friend or an enemy. Starmer knows EU Countries don't/can't do bilaterals but Country reserved matters like Defence and Energy are on the table It softens the negotiating positions when talks with EU to amend TCA commence that goodwill has been built up with Germany and France Yes, a good move from Starmer. Although Macron and Scholz may not be around for that long!
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Post by gawa on Aug 29, 2024 18:48:22 GMT
Thanks mate. You seemed to get alot of enjoyment out of criticising the government these last few years so seems like a great hobby to pick up I see you've picked up phileetin's hobby. Let us know how you're getting on To be honest I got very little enjoyment out of the Conservatives, bemusement at times but mostly just sickened at their incompetence and corruption but as I've acknowledged I did OK personally despite them rather than because of them Take your neighbours to the South they like the UK and most of the Western World except Canada and Australia suffered badly due to the Financial Crash of 2008 which was a Banking Crash, your neighbours even had to call in the IMF. They got their shit together and made sensible Financial decisions to grow the Economy In 2008 Ireland GDP was $275Bn at end of 2023 it was $545Bn an increase of 98% In 2008 UK GDP was $2929Bn at end of 2023 it was $3340Bn an increase of 14% With a population of 5M versus 70M you can easily see that 5 goes into 545 far more times than 70 goes into 3340 without the need of adding 4th/5th/6th biggest Economy in the World Bollocks It's amazing what a competant Government can do when the Economy is growing which is why Ireland last week announced a continuation of Winter Fuel Allowance to all people receiving a State Benefit of €924 while at the same time UK was restricting the £200 Winter Fuel Allowance I can't say whether it was the catalyst which prompted Colum Eastwood, a politician you have said you admire, to today step down as leader of SDLP to concentrate on efforts to bring about a United Ireland I reference the Irish GDP at times myself particularly when arguing about a potential United Ireland. However if we are to be honest with ourselves, we both know it's massively inflated and not representative of the actual state of affairs. Alot of that is from multinational corporations taking advantage of tax loopholes and pushing global profits offshore through Ireland. I believe some of the loopholes have closed in recent years but still its not really reflective of the actual economy. Statistics are like bikinis, what they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital.
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Post by gawa on Aug 29, 2024 18:49:02 GMT
It good that we have grown up from the Liz Truss days of not knowing if France was a friend or an enemy. Starmer knows EU Countries don't/can't do bilaterals but Country reserved matters like Defence and Energy are on the table It softens the negotiating positions when talks with EU to amend TCA commence that goodwill has been built up with Germany and France Yes, a good move from Starmer. Although Macron and Scholz may not be around for that long! Macron/Le Pen coalition coming in soon 🤣
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Post by gawa on Aug 29, 2024 18:54:08 GMT
Gary Stevenson is a former very successful trader and I love when he talks about economics because its very easy for the layman to understand.
Another great video of his
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 29, 2024 19:04:13 GMT
Starmageddon is well and truly here with his smoking bans.
But why is anyone surprised by his authoritarian nature? This cunt was one of the biggest cheerleaders of catastrophic lockdowns. His dystopia dream was an inevitability.
And for all those Corbynistas out there, I know we will agree on this one.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 29, 2024 19:08:29 GMT
Starmageddon is well and truly here with his smoking bans. But why is anyone surprised by his authoritarian nature? This cunt was one of the biggest cheerleaders of catastrophic lockdowns. His dystopia dream was an inevitability. And for all those Corbynistas out there, I know we will agree on this one. You do know this all comes from the Tobacco and Vapes Bill left over by Rishi Sunak’s government?
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Post by wannabee on Aug 29, 2024 19:15:49 GMT
It good that we have grown up from the Liz Truss days of not knowing if France was a friend or an enemy. Starmer knows EU Countries don't/can't do bilaterals but Country reserved matters like Defence and Energy are on the table It softens the negotiating positions when talks with EU to amend TCA commence that goodwill has been built up with Germany and France Yes, a good move from Starmer. Although Macron and Scholz may not be around for that long! The dates for both Elections are already set by Law Germany's next Federal Election will be in September 2025 Scholz SPD party May not do so well but with their coalition partners Union they are polling almost 50%. Afd are hovering between 15/18% Things can change obviously France's next Presidential Election takes place in May 2027 and Macron is ineligible to run again. Plenty of time for Starmer to make progress
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 29, 2024 19:16:38 GMT
Starmageddon is well and truly here with his smoking bans. But why is anyone surprised by his authoritarian nature? This cunt was one of the biggest cheerleaders of catastrophic lockdowns. His dystopia dream was an inevitability. And for all those Corbynistas out there, I know we will agree on this one. You do know this all comes from the Tobacco and Vapes Bill left over by Rishi Sunak’s government? You'll quickly run out of steam defending him mate. He's barely had 8 weeks and you're having to post at least 20 posts a day trying to defend his tragic leadership. Let it go Oggy, just like you had to let the EU go.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 29, 2024 19:39:20 GMT
It good that we have grown up from the Liz Truss days of not knowing if France was a friend or an enemy. Starmer knows EU Countries don't/can't do bilaterals but Country reserved matters like Defence and Energy are on the table It softens the negotiating positions when talks with EU to amend TCA commence that goodwill has been built up with Germany and France Good to hear business leaders this morning welcoming the prospect of closer relations with the EU as they spoke of the damage Brexit has done to their EU trade. To think that pensioners will be shivering this winter because of that failed vanity project.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 29, 2024 19:40:49 GMT
You do know this all comes from the Tobacco and Vapes Bill left over by Rishi Sunak’s government? You'll quickly run out of steam defending him mate. He's barely had 8 weeks and you're having to post at least 20 posts a day trying to defend his tragic leadership. Let it go Oggy, just like you had to let the EU go. He dealt with the riots efficiently. He is making the right moves in the EU. I agree with the smoking ban. I agree with tax rises not for working people. What he has done badly has been to talk too much about how bad the situation he inherited is. Anyone with a brain knows we are in a mess. He needs to shut up and get on with the job. Also too many labour people getting civil service roles. He has made a decent start given he has the worst situation of any government ever apart from the one after the second world war.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 29, 2024 19:50:54 GMT
You'll quickly run out of steam defending him mate. He's barely had 8 weeks and you're having to post at least 20 posts a day trying to defend his tragic leadership. Let it go Oggy, just like you had to let the EU go. What he has done badly has been to talk too much about how bad the situation he inherited is. Anyone with a brain knows we are in a mess. He needs to shut up and get on with the job. Apparently the reasoning behind this is that somehow it has been determined that the 2015 election result was secured in the first 3 months after the 2010 election when the Tories constantly hammered home the messaging about the mess Labour left them in.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 29, 2024 20:13:59 GMT
What he has done badly has been to talk too much about how bad the situation he inherited is. Anyone with a brain knows we are in a mess. He needs to shut up and get on with the job. Apparently the reasoning behind this is that somehow it has been determined that the 2015 election result was secured in the first 3 months after the 2010 election when the Tories constantly hammered home the messaging about the mess Labour left them in. The mess now is many, many times bigger
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Post by knype on Aug 29, 2024 20:14:33 GMT
You'll quickly run out of steam defending him mate. He's barely had 8 weeks and you're having to post at least 20 posts a day trying to defend his tragic leadership. Let it go Oggy, just like you had to let the EU go. He dealt with the riots efficiently. He is making the right moves in the EU. I agree with the smoking ban. I agree with tax rises not for working people. What he has done badly has been to talk too much about how bad the situation he inherited is. Anyone with a brain knows we are in a mess. He needs to shut up and get on with the job. Also too many labour people getting civil service roles. He has made a decent start given he has the worst situation of any government ever apart from the one after the second world war. Are you his fluffer boy ?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 29, 2024 20:16:47 GMT
What he has done badly has been to talk too much about how bad the situation he inherited is. Anyone with a brain knows we are in a mess. He needs to shut up and get on with the job. Apparently the reasoning behind this is that somehow it has been determined that the 2015 election result was secured in the first 3 months after the 2010 election when the Tories constantly hammered home the messaging about the mess Labour left them in. They both do it. Its the new uni party way. And to be fair Labour did leave an unholy mess. They even left a note telling them as such. But as for Starmer. Wow he's a real problem. He looks down his nose at everyone except his puppeteers. He won't last 18 months. He's a charlatan and a back stabbing little prick hell bent on power and fuck everyone in how he gets it and maintains it. He'll be sussed out soon enough...
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 29, 2024 20:17:47 GMT
Apparently the reasoning behind this is that somehow it has been determined that the 2015 election result was secured in the first 3 months after the 2010 election when the Tories constantly hammered home the messaging about the mess Labour left them in. The mess now is many, many times bigger Aye I don't think Blair and browns shitty PFI deals helped much either....
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 29, 2024 20:44:09 GMT
Apparently the reasoning behind this is that somehow it has been determined that the 2015 election result was secured in the first 3 months after the 2010 election when the Tories constantly hammered home the messaging about the mess Labour left them in. The mess now is many, many times bigger Well what the Tories were engaged in was absolutely appalling- there is so much evidence, but anyone in any doubt only has to look at how they were raiding the Treasury reserve for billions to pay the asylum bills because they knowingly only budgeted £300 million . They did this while cutting NI by 4% to try and bribe the electorate. Little wonder the mess is huge.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 29, 2024 21:02:51 GMT
He dealt with the riots efficiently. He is making the right moves in the EU. I agree with the smoking ban. I agree with tax rises not for working people. What he has done badly has been to talk too much about how bad the situation he inherited is. Anyone with a brain knows we are in a mess. He needs to shut up and get on with the job. Also too many labour people getting civil service roles. He has made a decent start given he has the worst situation of any government ever apart from the one after the second world war. Are you his fluffer boy ? I didn’t even vote for him
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