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Post by wannabee on Aug 26, 2024 1:04:59 GMT
I thought i had given my opinion but i shall clarify it further Lord Waheed Alli was given a temporary security pass to organize a knee's up to celebrate Labours GE victory in No 10 Garden According to reports the pass was withdrawn some weeks ago (so not 7 weeks ) presumably after the Party was over. I thought i had made it clear i don't agree with these sorts of things as it smacks of patronage The Sunday Times noted ‘It is rare (obviously not unique) for anyone not formally employed as a political adviser or civil servant to be given a Downing Street pass, or to host events on the premises.’ What nefarious activities are you alleging that bbc, the Times, guardian, daily mirror, sky etc are not? The reason i questioned why Bastani may have a hidden agenda, the WP certainly think he does, is you chose to post the "scoop" via a Tweet from Bastani,, you could have used .... bbc, the Times, guardian, daily mirror, sky etc Why don't you just come out and say what wrong doing you are seeing here and stop beating about the bush, all i can see is some privileged individuals having a Garden Party which Joe Soaps are not invited to. You're right he was given it at the beginning of July and to quote the times: "After Alli’s pass was revealed, government sources said it had only been given to him temporarily, with an expiration date of the end of August." I'm not alleging any nefarious activities. I was asking you that as in response to me breaking the news you quoted me and said: "Scratch the surface deep enough and there is always a hidden agenda" I literally just pick the first tweet I see. I'm not posting it for his 10 words (who I note his wife is a Labour councillor), just the article he is referencing. But hey I also agree with the guy at times too, but not on everything. As far as I'm concerned, I'm not aware of the specific date it was handed back. I do only know the expiration date. Do you have information I don't have which confirms the precise date it was handed back? "A Whitehall source with knowledge of No 10 staffing described the decision to grant Alli a pass as a mystery to everyone in Downing Street apart from the donor himself and whoever granted it." It's also circumventing government policy on using government property for Party political events "The ministerial code says: “Government property should not generally be used for … party political work.” It says a “particular exception” is where an official residence is used. In such cases, ministers should ensure costs are met out of their own pocket or their party’s." But most of all it just stinks of cronyism and showing the Labour party is very much for sale. Just like Gary Lubner was able to buy his son into a 2 horse race for labour youth chair. Or like Ian Corfield was able to buy himself a position in Reeves team. Or like the Labour NEC members who managed to impose themselves as candidates. Or the many party aides and staff members who now all have big promotions in the civil service. How did things turn out when Lex Greensill was given a Downing Street pass? Ian Corfield donated ¢20K over 5 years to the Labour Party and is highly qualified to do the job he was asked to do which resulted in him taking a major pay cut. He's now agreed to do it for free until at least after the Budget Waheed Alli wasn't the son of a Toolmaker his father was a Mechanic and is estranged from Waheed after he left the family home when he was young. Waheed himself left comprehensive school at 16 with 9 O levels and worked to earn his fortune Lubner comes from a reasonably affluent Jewish family who escaped the Russian Pogroms to settle in South Africa. He doesn't normally give interviews but in a rare one back in 2013 he said this Politicised in South Africa after being conscripted into the police force where he saw the brutality of the apartheid regime at first hand, he told the South African Power 100 list in 2013: “I have always believed really strongly and it’s been a family belief that you have an obligation to all the communities you work with. It comes from a fundamental belief that businesses do not exist in a vacuum. They exist in a community. We happen to be born into a particular situation. So we always felt that there is an obligation, as individuals and as a business, to give back to communities less well-off than us.”I know we have become anesthetized over the last 14 years and expect corrupt Bastards in Government but there are actually people who are grateful for what they have been given and feel it a duty to give something back If a Labour Garden Party Jolly in No 10 to celebrate the Election Victory gets up some people's noses i don't give a flying fuck. If there is any evidence of impropriety or corruption I'm all over it
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 26, 2024 6:18:24 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 26, 2024 6:19:50 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Aug 26, 2024 7:03:29 GMT
She should be all over that 😡 Pay double back or go to jail and we'll take what you have anyway is my preferred solution for all proven corruption at all levels.
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Post by ian57 on Aug 26, 2024 9:25:28 GMT
As a country we need to Unite. Yes some people see immigration, Palestine and other causes as an issue. But we should not be accepting this as a population. We should be on the streets and going on mass strikes to grind the country to a halt. Protest outside big corporation head offices and millionaire rows. Enough is enough. We need to stand together against inequality and show the wealthy they are nothing without our labour. Labour don't represent workers. Tories don't represent workers. Reform don't represent workers. The longer we accept this shit the worse it will continue to get. well spoken Gawa and so true. This is no Labour government and neither is it a socialist government,it is just another Tory government with another clown as the ring master. Oh for the days when workers united in strength for the cause and brought an end to ted heaths conservative government in 1973/74
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Post by superjw on Aug 26, 2024 10:19:04 GMT
Exactly this, it’s a political choice to not do what is screaming in everyone’s faces. Starmer is a Tory with a red tie, nothing else. He claims it will take 10 years to repair Britain, he hasn’t finished breaking it yet…
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Post by wannabee on Aug 26, 2024 13:15:51 GMT
Have you seen this reported anywhere else Huddy? I've looked and other than Kate who lives in Valencia Nada just her quoting BladeoftheSun who just pointed out again the alleged corruption I did see that Reeves visited Teesside 6 days after the GE, not the Freeport, to meet with Houchen and he commented that it would be up to the Government to start a new investigation "if they wanted to be sidetracked" No official comment from Reeves It would be extraordinary if a new investigation didn't take place
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 26, 2024 15:56:15 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Aug 26, 2024 19:20:22 GMT
Disgraceful PM.
He hates us
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 26, 2024 20:46:09 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 26, 2024 20:47:55 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Aug 26, 2024 21:30:24 GMT
It is relentless the extraordinary lengths people are going to falsely claim what Labour pledged to using manipulation and alteration and not just on Energy costs Labour never pledged to freeze Energy costs for 2024 and even if the false claims were true the Cap has been set below the level of the false claim www.independent.co.uk/business/fact-check-labour-s-pledge-to-cap-energy-bills-expired-in-april-2023-b2600997.html* It's possible I may again be accused of Fact Checking, not that the previous facts checked were accurate, no its because they came from the wrong direction on the compass apparently
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Post by gawa on Aug 27, 2024 9:33:37 GMT
You're right he was given it at the beginning of July and to quote the times: "After Alli’s pass was revealed, government sources said it had only been given to him temporarily, with an expiration date of the end of August." I'm not alleging any nefarious activities. I was asking you that as in response to me breaking the news you quoted me and said: "Scratch the surface deep enough and there is always a hidden agenda" I literally just pick the first tweet I see. I'm not posting it for his 10 words (who I note his wife is a Labour councillor), just the article he is referencing. But hey I also agree with the guy at times too, but not on everything. As far as I'm concerned, I'm not aware of the specific date it was handed back. I do only know the expiration date. Do you have information I don't have which confirms the precise date it was handed back? "A Whitehall source with knowledge of No 10 staffing described the decision to grant Alli a pass as a mystery to everyone in Downing Street apart from the donor himself and whoever granted it." It's also circumventing government policy on using government property for Party political events "The ministerial code says: “Government property should not generally be used for … party political work.” It says a “particular exception” is where an official residence is used. In such cases, ministers should ensure costs are met out of their own pocket or their party’s." But most of all it just stinks of cronyism and showing the Labour party is very much for sale. Just like Gary Lubner was able to buy his son into a 2 horse race for labour youth chair. Or like Ian Corfield was able to buy himself a position in Reeves team. Or like the Labour NEC members who managed to impose themselves as candidates. Or the many party aides and staff members who now all have big promotions in the civil service. How did things turn out when Lex Greensill was given a Downing Street pass? Ian Corfield donated ¢20K over 5 years to the Labour Party and is highly qualified to do the job he was asked to do which resulted in him taking a major pay cut. He's now agreed to do it for free until at least after the Budget Waheed Alli wasn't the son of a Toolmaker his father was a Mechanic and is estranged from Waheed after he left the family home when he was young. Waheed himself left comprehensive school at 16 with 9 O levels and worked to earn his fortune Lubner comes from a reasonably affluent Jewish family who escaped the Russian Pogroms to settle in South Africa. He doesn't normally give interviews but in a rare one back in 2013 he said this Politicised in South Africa after being conscripted into the police force where he saw the brutality of the apartheid regime at first hand, he told the South African Power 100 list in 2013: “I have always believed really strongly and it’s been a family belief that you have an obligation to all the communities you work with. It comes from a fundamental belief that businesses do not exist in a vacuum. They exist in a community. We happen to be born into a particular situation. So we always felt that there is an obligation, as individuals and as a business, to give back to communities less well-off than us.”I know we have become anesthetized over the last 14 years and expect corrupt Bastards in Government but there are actually people who are grateful for what they have been given and feel it a duty to give something back If a Labour Garden Party Jolly in No 10 to celebrate the Election Victory gets up some people's noses i don't give a flying fuck. If there is any evidence of impropriety or corruption I'm all over it View AttachmentSeems it was a AAA pass which gives him access to everywhere in Downing Street. Why would you need a AAA pass for a garden party? And why would you need a pass for a few weeks when the party was the day after the election? Unless the chancellors sister is lying of course. Presume you had no issue with Lex Greensill getting a pass too then? Or what's different?
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Post by gawa on Aug 27, 2024 9:52:53 GMT
Big respect to all those pensioners out there on 12k a year who are saving the economy from crashing this winter. Making the sacrifices that absolutely nobody else can afford to make in the country. And all to save the economy from impeding doom as it was the only option.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Aug 27, 2024 10:16:13 GMT
Another excellent speech.
Wonderful to finally see some competence in the highest office, and those glasses look sharp too 👌
Grandparents still unhappy with the winter fuel benefit/habd out being cut, and even more displeased when I told them to either cancel their £120/month Virgin subscription, or to 'get on their bike'. But you can't win 'em all.
Carry on, Keir.
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Post by hotterpotter on Aug 27, 2024 11:19:44 GMT
Waiting to see if my £10 Christmas disability benefits bonus is being scrapped too. My yearly pint is in the balance!
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Post by desman2 on Aug 27, 2024 11:23:44 GMT
Waiting to see if my £10 Christmas disability benefits bonus is being scrapped too. My yearly pint is in the balance! Fear not. They will still get their subsidies. That should take the sting out of any disappointment.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 27, 2024 12:39:56 GMT
Another caller in Surrey, Lee, believes the prime minister should have addressed immigration in the speech. "If you're going to try to bring people together, then you need to acknowledge people's concerns," he says.
The guy is a fraud. Everything as bad as what went on before. It’s not as bleak in the uk as he wants us to believe. I’m
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 27, 2024 12:45:19 GMT
The economy is growing the fastest in the G7, but government finances are in a dire mess with borrowing exceeding expectations. How can this be? Basically because civil servants and politicians couldn't organise a booze up in a brewery. Houses and factories can't get built because of planning regulations and shortage of officials. Schools and hospitals are shoddily built. Spending is out of control. www.constructionnews.co.uk/government/revealed-the-cost-of-parliament-towers-botched-procurement-14-06-2024/I don't blame Labour who have inherited a mess from the Tories. I don't blame Tories who inherited a financial mess from Labour and had to contend with a pandemic. I blame the whole administration. Fortunately the talented people of this country are inventive, resourceful, and hard working. Most are caring and generous and give up their time to good causes. The world is not like the media and politicians seek to portray it. Starmer is wrong to make his speech things will get worse; it will only for those for whom he chooses to make it worse. Most people are getting wage increases in excess of inflation, UK costs are far from the highest in the world, government debt less than most of the G7. The role of government is to promote fairness in society, help those most in need, and control the excesses of capitalism, not to engage in it. The role of government is to lead and motivate. Churchill didn't talk doom and gloom when we stood alone, he said we would dig in and face up, and overcome adversity. He inspired, not demoralised. We are the most talented country in the world rich in resources, blighted by the worst governments imaginable bar despotic dictators.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 27, 2024 12:49:13 GMT
In a statement, Green Party co-leader Carla Denyer says voters were told "they were voting for change" and not for "things to get worse before they get better". "Labour needs to be honest about the fact that they could choose to make things better for everyone if they were bolder and braver," she adds.
I’m all for giving them a chance but FFS they are terrible. No feel good factor at all
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Post by salopstick on Aug 27, 2024 13:07:31 GMT
The October budget will be painful for pensioners and the middle classes and even the unemployed
The wealthy won’t be fearing it
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 27, 2024 14:08:09 GMT
Take them off Starmer lad you’ve won your bet.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 27, 2024 14:38:21 GMT
The October budget will be painful for pensioners and the middle classes and even the unemployed The wealthy won’t be fearing it I think we all knew that NHS, education, prison system, defence etc etc was woefully short of finances. Taxes need to rise for sure but, imo, we must all pay our fair share. This should be from direct taxation by increasing rates of income tax. Increase the tax free Threshold to protect the lower paid, but counter this with increases to the basic rate and introduce more thresholds so the more you earn the more you pay. But I doubt this will happen and the burden will fall on IHT, CGT, stamp duty changes and I have a feeling there will be some form of property tax perhaps in the revamping of the council tax. Additionally pensioners may well lose triple lock and other schemes such as free bus travel and free prescription age may well rise in line with state pension age. Alternatively keep income tax unaffected and introduce an Ozzy style Medicare levy for which they pay 2% of taxable income with exemptions for lower paid. This levy is ring fenced for NHS releasing some of their annual £180b to be used elsewhere.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 27, 2024 15:31:15 GMT
In a statement, Green Party co-leader Carla Denyer says voters were told "they were voting for change" and not for "things to get worse before they get better". "Labour needs to be honest about the fact that they could choose to make things better for everyone if they were bolder and braver," she adds. I’m all for giving them a chance but FFS they are terrible. No feel good factor at all What part of the public sector specifically should we be feeling really good about exactly?
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 27, 2024 15:32:18 GMT
The economy is growing the fastest in the G7, but government finances are in a dire mess with borrowing exceeding expectations. How can this be? Basically because civil servants and politicians couldn't organise a booze up in a brewery. Houses and factories can't get built because of planning regulations and shortage of officials. Schools and hospitals are shoddily built. Spending is out of control. www.constructionnews.co.uk/government/revealed-the-cost-of-parliament-towers-botched-procurement-14-06-2024/I don't blame Labour who have inherited a mess from the Tories. I don't blame Tories who inherited a financial mess from Labour and had to contend with a pandemic. I blame the whole administration. Fortunately the talented people of this country are inventive, resourceful, and hard working. Most are caring and generous and give up their time to good causes. The world is not like the media and politicians seek to portray it. Starmer is wrong to make his speech things will get worse; it will only for those for whom he chooses to make it worse. Most people are getting wage increases in excess of inflation, UK costs are far from the highest in the world, government debt less than most of the G7. The role of government is to promote fairness in society, help those most in need, and control the excesses of capitalism, not to engage in it. The role of government is to lead and motivate. Churchill didn't talk doom and gloom when we stood alone, he said we would dig in and face up, and overcome adversity. He inspired, not demoralised. We are the most talented country in the world rich in resources, blighted by the worst governments imaginable bar despotic dictators. “We are the most talented country in the world”. Are we? People were looting Greggs and burning down libraries to show how anti immigrant they are after a British born individual murdered children.
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 27, 2024 16:11:34 GMT
The economy is growing the fastest in the G7, but government finances are in a dire mess with borrowing exceeding expectations. How can this be? Basically because civil servants and politicians couldn't organise a booze up in a brewery. Houses and factories can't get built because of planning regulations and shortage of officials. Schools and hospitals are shoddily built. Spending is out of control. www.constructionnews.co.uk/government/revealed-the-cost-of-parliament-towers-botched-procurement-14-06-2024/I don't blame Labour who have inherited a mess from the Tories. I don't blame Tories who inherited a financial mess from Labour and had to contend with a pandemic. I blame the whole administration. Fortunately the talented people of this country are inventive, resourceful, and hard working. Most are caring and generous and give up their time to good causes. The world is not like the media and politicians seek to portray it. Starmer is wrong to make his speech things will get worse; it will only for those for whom he chooses to make it worse. Most people are getting wage increases in excess of inflation, UK costs are far from the highest in the world, government debt less than most of the G7. The role of government is to promote fairness in society, help those most in need, and control the excesses of capitalism, not to engage in it. The role of government is to lead and motivate. Churchill didn't talk doom and gloom when we stood alone, he said we would dig in and face up, and overcome adversity. He inspired, not demoralised. We are the most talented country in the world rich in resources, blighted by the worst governments imaginable bar despotic dictators. “We are the most talented country in the world”. Are we? People were looting Greggs and burning down libraries to show how anti immigrant they are after a British born individual murdered children. You despise this country Oggy. Strange as always but now never surprised. Some of the most talented people in the world are British. Don't you see the irony of pigeon holing a tiny minority into the 'British People'. I.e all Muslims are terrorists etc. Never stop learning Oggy.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 27, 2024 16:37:51 GMT
“We are the most talented country in the world”. Are we? People were looting Greggs and burning down libraries to show how anti immigrant they are after a British born individual murdered children. You despise this country Oggy. Strange as always but now never surprised. Some of the most talented people in the world are British. Don't you see the irony of pigeon holing a tiny minority into the 'British People'. I.e all Muslims are terrorists etc. Never stop learning Oggy. I totally agree some of the most talented people in the world are British. But given recent behaviour of some of our twats, I would say it is a stretch to say we are the most talented people in the world! Our Olympians did well, but not as well as others as an example. Does that mean I hate our country? No. I hate racist unpatriotic twats who smash up their community because brexit hadn’t turned out like they wanted.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 27, 2024 17:38:34 GMT
You despise this country Oggy. Strange as always but now never surprised. Some of the most talented people in the world are British. Don't you see the irony of pigeon holing a tiny minority into the 'British People'. I.e all Muslims are terrorists etc. Never stop learning Oggy. I totally agree some of the most talented people in the world are British. But given recent behaviour of some of our twats, I would say it is a stretch to say we are the most talented people in the world! Our Olympians did well, but not as well as others as an example. Does that mean I hate our country? No. I hate racist unpatriotic twats who smash up their community because brexit hadn’t turned out like they wanted. Are we saying that brexit voters are racist unpatriotic violent twats Or Is is it more of your irrational hatred of the British people exercising there democratic choice of freeing this country form the yoke of European tyranny
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Post by salopstick on Aug 27, 2024 17:57:45 GMT
I think most Tory contributors to this political threads on this board accept that we needed change
Is there anyone on this board who doesn’t think that Kier Starmer is a massive melt
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Post by superjw on Aug 27, 2024 18:36:11 GMT
The October budget will be painful for pensioners and the middle classes and even the unemployed The wealthy won’t be fearing it I think we all knew that NHS, education, prison system, defence etc etc was woefully short of finances. Taxes need to rise for sure but, imo, we must all pay our fair share. This should be from direct taxation by increasing rates of income tax. Increase the tax free Threshold to protect the lower paid, but counter this with increases to the basic rate and introduce more thresholds so the more you earn the more you pay. But I doubt this will happen and the burden will fall on IHT, CGT, stamp duty changes and I have a feeling there will be some form of property tax perhaps in the revamping of the council tax. Additionally pensioners may well lose triple lock and other schemes such as free bus travel and free prescription age may well rise in line with state pension age. Alternatively keep income tax unaffected and introduce an Ozzy style Medicare levy for which they pay 2% of taxable income with exemptions for lower paid. This levy is ring fenced for NHS releasing some of their annual £180b to be used elsewhere. Everyone paying their share doesn’t involve raising anything to do with PAYE first, your average tax payer is already paying their share right now. First and foremost the government can be going after big businesses paying the correct amount of corporation tax in the UK, windfall taxes on energy companies billion £ profits, council tax reform to get the rich paying more for their homes, scrapping the non dom status, electric vehicle tax, etc etc (I do agree with more tax thresholds btw). we need a level up so that the richest people in the country should be paying their fair share compared to the rest of us and the government need to stamp out tax loopholes and ways around the system. I’d be more than happy for my own income tax to go up if I knew all this was in place and it was fair, but it’s not So many things the government should be doing before coming after everyone else via income tax and NI
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