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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 22, 2024 7:21:41 GMT
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Post by Gods on Aug 22, 2024 7:42:52 GMT
No doubt some developers will get extremely rich through PFI to enable this building on the green belt. It might have helped if there weren't 10 million more people in the UK now than there were in 2000. Sewage, trains, hospitals, GP's, roads, prisons, housing, you name it, our ancient infrastructure is creaking.
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 22, 2024 8:06:40 GMT
How would you pay for things if not with the help of private investment? The minister on the Today programme this morning was explaining what they are proposing shares the risk, so private investment doesn’t get guaranteed returns, and it shoulders the same risk as the tax payer. Seems fair to me. In an ideal world, the tax payer could fund everything needed to turn our country around. But do we live in an ideal world? Figures just out: Government spending in the three months from April was £6 billion higher than forecast and marked a record amount of the annual government budget spent in the first third of the financial period. Tax revenues are following or even lagging March forecasts, which alongside the higher spending means higher borrowing. So borrowing for the period was £5 billion higher than forecast — hitting its highest mark for July since 2021 Taxing the rich more is something I agree with. But that won’t raise the amount needed to do everything. So how would you pay for big projects without some private investment sharing the same risks as the tax payer?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 22, 2024 9:19:07 GMT
I have no pension. I chose to invest in property. I treat my tenants very well. I am aware of the cost of living and my rents are 20-25% below market value. I think I am a good landlord but I have to say the govt sees me as the villan. I have had 3 instances of tenants misbehaving and each time it has cost me 1-2 years rent to evict them. The govt keeps adding more regulations to improve the tenants rights but seems not to care that there will inevitably be rent increases to cover those costs. Simply put, they don't really care. I have sold a couple of properties in the last few years because of the hassle,but they have been bought by other landlords not by young first time buyers. The problem is not 90% of landlords. The problems is government, house builders, housing associations and 'slum' landlords. This is how I've always treated tenants. We had one in for 7 years and never increased the rent despite the letting agent continually pestering us to do so. Any issues are fixed immediately. In return for paying the mortgage, good tenants get a good place to live at a good price - a fair exchange. However apparently its unreasonable to want to evict a non paying tenant with the government keen to make it even more difficult (impossible?) It great that you are so fair to your tenant, but average rent rises are around 9% year on year at the moment which is higher than inflation and wages so it appears you’re in the minority……
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Post by adri2008 on Aug 22, 2024 10:26:02 GMT
This is how I've always treated tenants. We had one in for 7 years and never increased the rent despite the letting agent continually pestering us to do so. Any issues are fixed immediately. In return for paying the mortgage, good tenants get a good place to live at a good price - a fair exchange. However apparently its unreasonable to want to evict a non paying tenant with the government keen to make it even more difficult (impossible?) It great that you are so fair to your tenant, but average rent rises are around 9% year on year at the moment which is higher than inflation and wages so it appears you’re in the minority…… Landlords have tenants over a barrel is the problem particularly if you live down south. Easier said than done obviously but if we are going to continually allow high levels of immigration (a necessity to pay for our ageing population unless we all want higher taxes in some form) then house building should at the very least be keeping pace with this.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 22, 2024 11:13:14 GMT
How would you pay for things if not with the help of private investment? The minister on the Today programme this morning was explaining what they are proposing shares the risk, so private investment doesn’t get guaranteed returns, and it shoulders the same risk as the tax payer. Seems fair to me. In an ideal world, the tax payer could fund everything needed to turn our country around. But do we live in an ideal world? Figures just out: Government spending in the three months from April was £6 billion higher than forecast and marked a record amount of the annual government budget spent in the first third of the financial period. Tax revenues are following or even lagging March forecasts, which alongside the higher spending means higher borrowing. So borrowing for the period was £5 billion higher than forecast — hitting its highest mark for July since 2021 Taxing the rich more is something I agree with. But that won’t raise the amount needed to do everything. So how would you pay for big projects without some private investment sharing the same risks as the tax payer? Yep Oggy in an ideal world the Taxpayer would fund every infrastructure project, the reality being the Revenue Streams a Government can realistically collect in Taxes and spend on financing Capital Projects is limited and if Government spends too much on Debt Servicing compared to Taxes raised then cuts occur in Public Services Most people don't buy a house for cash but neither do they blink when they take out a mortgage to buy a house provided they are content they can service the mortgage and understand the contract they are signing which is a shared risk. Some Government Infrastructure Projects are intangible and difficult to quantify others are tangible and are more easily quantified. A Hospital is an example of the former the Lower Thames Crossing LTC is an example of the latter. The outline of the LTC project mooted but not yet approved is that it will cost about £9Bn, be on a lease of 125 years, risk shared and on completion Tolled which would repay the investment with profits capped and shared. The objections seems to be based on previous Government Privately Financed projects and given the history that is certainly an argument that holds water. That then concedes that any Government is incapable of drafting a contract with balanced risk. If Private Financed Projects don't work and we have seen that Publicly Financed HS2 descend into a shambles, where do we go from there, do we accept that UK is incapable of commissioning any Private or Publicly Funded infrastructure Project The alternative to not using Private Finance is to have a much lower ambition in Infrastructure Projects. Unless someone has a viable alternative
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 22, 2024 11:38:42 GMT
It great that you are so fair to your tenant, but average rent rises are around 9% year on year at the moment which is higher than inflation and wages so it appears you’re in the minority…… Landlords have tenants over a barrel is the problem particularly if you live down south. Easier said than done obviously but if we are going to continually allow high levels of immigration (a necessity to pay for our ageing population unless we all want higher taxes in some form) then house building should at the very least be keeping pace with this. Yesterday I raised the subject in conversation with someone who I know rents out an apartment. At least I thought she did but has sold it as it is too much hassle for her. She told me about someone she knew who it took 3 years and going to court to get a tenant evicted who could not (or would not?) to pay the rent. I also heard of someone who wanted to build property to rent (or sell) but had to wait over a year to get planning permission, which was eventually granted. I was chatting with a business owner in the next street to me who was telling me how difficult it was to alter his business premises mainly because the local authority are overloaded with work and short of planning department staff. To repeat my previous post, the problems will not be overcome until we speed up release of land, speed up the planning process, and motivate those wanting to rent out property by incentives. That's the way capitalism works. Immigration will only reduce if we motivate people to take the jobs immigrants are coming to fill, or invest in automation, robotics, and AI to reduce the demand for workers. Paying people more is only a partial solution as people then work shorter hours! How many GPs or dentists actually work 5 days a week?
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Post by adri2008 on Aug 22, 2024 12:14:23 GMT
Landlords have tenants over a barrel is the problem particularly if you live down south. Easier said than done obviously but if we are going to continually allow high levels of immigration (a necessity to pay for our ageing population unless we all want higher taxes in some form) then house building should at the very least be keeping pace with this. Yesterday I raised the subject in conversation with someone who I know rents out an apartment. At least I thought she did but has sold it as it is too much hassle for her. She told me about someone she knew who it took 3 years and going to court to get a tenant evicted who could not (or would not?) to pay the rent. I also heard of someone who wanted to build property to rent (or sell) but had to wait over a year to get planning permission, which was eventually granted. I was chatting with a business owner in the next street to me who was telling me how difficult it was to alter his business premises mainly because the local authority are overloaded with work and short of planning department staff. To repeat my previous post, the problems will not be overcome until we speed up release of land, speed up the planning process, and motivate those wanting to rent out property by incentives. That's the way capitalism works. Immigration will only reduce if we motivate people to take the jobs immigrants are coming to fill, or invest in automation, robotics, and AI to reduce the demand for workers. Paying people more is only a partial solution as people then work shorter hours! How many GPs or dentists actually work 5 days a week? The courts take a ridiculous time over section 8s which is why every landlord was using section 21 to do evictions. Is a tenant in arrears and has 2 months passed? Yes/No. I'm not sure how it can be any simpler for a decision to be made, particularly as most landlords will give tenants leeway of 3/4 months before taking action. Symptomatic of anything in the UK though - every single decision is extremely long winded and drawn out. Anything major is immediately bogged down in consultations, legal challenges etc. which of course take years to resolve. See HS2 - a good idea initially which became a complete farce.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 22, 2024 12:22:15 GMT
Landlords have tenants over a barrel is the problem particularly if you live down south. Easier said than done obviously but if we are going to continually allow high levels of immigration (a necessity to pay for our ageing population unless we all want higher taxes in some form) then house building should at the very least be keeping pace with this. Yesterday I raised the subject in conversation with someone who I know rents out an apartment. At least I thought she did but has sold it as it is too much hassle for her. She told me about someone she knew who it took 3 years and going to court to get a tenant evicted who could not (or would not?) to pay the rent. I also heard of someone who wanted to build property to rent (or sell) but had to wait over a year to get planning permission, which was eventually granted. I was chatting with a business owner in the next street to me who was telling me how difficult it was to alter his business premises mainly because the local authority are overloaded with work and short of planning department staff. To repeat my previous post, the problems will not be overcome until we speed up release of land, speed up the planning process, and motivate those wanting to rent out property by incentives. That's the way capitalism works. Immigration will only reduce if we motivate people to take the jobs immigrants are coming to fill, or invest in automation, robotics, and AI to reduce the demand for workers. Paying people more is only a partial solution as people then work shorter hours! How many GPs or dentists actually work 5 days a week? The capitalist model for the rental market has failed spectacularly. We need social housing, affordable homes and rent controls immediately.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 22, 2024 13:00:08 GMT
Yesterday I raised the subject in conversation with someone who I know rents out an apartment. At least I thought she did but has sold it as it is too much hassle for her. She told me about someone she knew who it took 3 years and going to court to get a tenant evicted who could not (or would not?) to pay the rent. I also heard of someone who wanted to build property to rent (or sell) but had to wait over a year to get planning permission, which was eventually granted. I was chatting with a business owner in the next street to me who was telling me how difficult it was to alter his business premises mainly because the local authority are overloaded with work and short of planning department staff. To repeat my previous post, the problems will not be overcome until we speed up release of land, speed up the planning process, and motivate those wanting to rent out property by incentives. That's the way capitalism works. Immigration will only reduce if we motivate people to take the jobs immigrants are coming to fill, or invest in automation, robotics, and AI to reduce the demand for workers. Paying people more is only a partial solution as people then work shorter hours! How many GPs or dentists actually work 5 days a week? The courts take a ridiculous time over section 8s which is why every landlord was using section 21 to do evictions. Is a tenant in arrears and has 2 months passed? Yes/No. I'm not sure how it can be any simpler for a decision to be made, particularly as most landlords will give tenants leeway of 3/4 months before taking action. Symptomatic of anything in the UK though - every single decision is extremely long winded and drawn out. Anything major is immediately bogged down in consultations, legal challenges etc. which of course take years to resolve. See HS2 - a good idea initially which became a complete farce. Being a Landlord or a Renter can be a fraught experience from security of payment and nothing beyond normal wear and tear to security of tenure I once became a reluctant Landlord when I accepted a new position. At first I commuted at weekends then it made more sense to rent a property at my work location and rent my own property that I intended to return to. My first tenant was a dream an Egyptian Doctor who actually made improvements to the property. When he left I had even less time to manage the property from a distance so I engaged a small property Company to do some upgrades and find and manage the rental. They did a good job on the upgrades and for a while the rent was being paid. Then it stopped and I discovered the tenant was paying some rent but the property Company, who I fired wasn't passing it on. Then the rent directly from the tenant continued to be erratic and I told them I couldn't afford to carry the cost and I would be forced to take action. I was then contacted by a Housing Charity who asked for my forbearance not to seek eviction as the tenant had fallen on hard times. I told them I could if they paid my Mortgage, they declined. I got lucky, the Housing Charity found the tenant a new home and they moved out. I then sold the house vowing never yo become a Landlord again, reluctant or otherwise. The financial loss I suffered was incidental to the stress I suffered There can be good landlords and bad tenants and vice versa. I admire the way you handle your arrangements but being a Landlord is not always a picnic and there are some right bastard landlords who exploit and equally tenants who do the same.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 22, 2024 13:13:27 GMT
The courts take a ridiculous time over section 8s which is why every landlord was using section 21 to do evictions. Is a tenant in arrears and has 2 months passed? Yes/No. I'm not sure how it can be any simpler for a decision to be made, particularly as most landlords will give tenants leeway of 3/4 months before taking action. Symptomatic of anything in the UK though - every single decision is extremely long winded and drawn out. Anything major is immediately bogged down in consultations, legal challenges etc. which of course take years to resolve. See HS2 - a good idea initially which became a complete farce. Being a Landlord or a Renter can be a fraught experience from security of payment and nothing beyond normal wear and tear to security of tenure I once became a reluctant Landlord when I accepted a new position. At first I commuted at weekends then it made more sense to rent a property at my work location and rent my own property that I intended to return to. My first tenant was a dream an Egyptian Doctor who actually made improvements to the property. When he left I had even less time to manage the property from a distance so I engaged a small property Company to do some upgrades and find and manage the rental. They did a good job on the upgrades and for a while the rent was being paid. Then it stopped and I discovered the tenant was paying some rent but the property Company, who I fired wasn't passing it on. Then the rent directly from the tenant continued to be erratic and I told them I couldn't afford to carry the cost and I would be forced to take action. I was then contacted by a Housing Charity who asked for my forbearance not to seek eviction as the tenant had fallen on hard times. I told them I could if they paid my Mortgage, they declined. I got lucky, the Housing Charity found the tenant a new home and they moved out. I then sold the house vowing never yo become a Landlord again, reluctant or otherwise. The financial loss I suffered was incidental to the stress I suffered There can be good landlords and bad tenants and vice versa. I admire the way you handle your arrangements but being a Landlord is not always a picnic and there are some right bastard landlords who exploit and equally tenants who do the same. There are lots of landlords with a single property, often through inheritance or similar to you because of work circumstances. When I talk about parasite landlords it's very rarely people that fall in that bracket. But there are people hoovering up multiple properties (often with wealth they've not even accumulated themselves) who have no interest in who their tenant is, they simply put up rents as and when they can to increase their margins, many will try and get out of any maintenance that needs doing and make it difficult for tenants moving out to even get their deposits back. They are a cancer and I have zero sympathy with them, if they are struggling sell up and get a proper job like most of us.........
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Post by phileetin on Aug 22, 2024 13:57:31 GMT
Yesterday I raised the subject in conversation with someone who I know rents out an apartment. At least I thought she did but has sold it as it is too much hassle for her. She told me about someone she knew who it took 3 years and going to court to get a tenant evicted who could not (or would not?) to pay the rent. I also heard of someone who wanted to build property to rent (or sell) but had to wait over a year to get planning permission, which was eventually granted. I was chatting with a business owner in the next street to me who was telling me how difficult it was to alter his business premises mainly because the local authority are overloaded with work and short of planning department staff. To repeat my previous post, the problems will not be overcome until we speed up release of land, speed up the planning process, and motivate those wanting to rent out property by incentives. That's the way capitalism works. Immigration will only reduce if we motivate people to take the jobs immigrants are coming to fill, or invest in automation, robotics, and AI to reduce the demand for workers. Paying people more is only a partial solution as people then work shorter hours! How many GPs or dentists actually work 5 days a week? The capitalist model for the rental market has failed spectacularly. We need social housing, affordable homes and rent controls immediately. and less immigrants requiring free housing ?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 22, 2024 14:44:16 GMT
The capitalist model for the rental market has failed spectacularly. We need social housing, affordable homes and rent controls immediately. and less immigrants requiring free housing ? And what do you mean by that?
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Post by phileetin on Aug 22, 2024 15:15:21 GMT
2 solutions
1 = build more houses to meet demand or
2 = reduce demand
does that answer your shitty normal operandus modii
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 23, 2024 20:24:36 GMT
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 23, 2024 20:34:24 GMT
As per the price cap thread. Clips about stopping bills rising further from when talk was of energy bills hitting £3500-£4000 when now it's going to be £1700 (and 6% lower than the same period last year).
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 23, 2024 20:41:25 GMT
2 solutions 1 = build more houses to meet demand or 2 = reduce demand does that answer your shitty normal operandus modii Pretty sure that wasn't what you were implying mate...
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Post by gawa on Aug 23, 2024 20:41:28 GMT
Being a Landlord or a Renter can be a fraught experience from security of payment and nothing beyond normal wear and tear to security of tenure I once became a reluctant Landlord when I accepted a new position. At first I commuted at weekends then it made more sense to rent a property at my work location and rent my own property that I intended to return to. My first tenant was a dream an Egyptian Doctor who actually made improvements to the property. When he left I had even less time to manage the property from a distance so I engaged a small property Company to do some upgrades and find and manage the rental. They did a good job on the upgrades and for a while the rent was being paid. Then it stopped and I discovered the tenant was paying some rent but the property Company, who I fired wasn't passing it on. Then the rent directly from the tenant continued to be erratic and I told them I couldn't afford to carry the cost and I would be forced to take action. I was then contacted by a Housing Charity who asked for my forbearance not to seek eviction as the tenant had fallen on hard times. I told them I could if they paid my Mortgage, they declined. I got lucky, the Housing Charity found the tenant a new home and they moved out. I then sold the house vowing never yo become a Landlord again, reluctant or otherwise. The financial loss I suffered was incidental to the stress I suffered There can be good landlords and bad tenants and vice versa. I admire the way you handle your arrangements but being a Landlord is not always a picnic and there are some right bastard landlords who exploit and equally tenants who do the same. There are lots of landlords with a single property, often through inheritance or similar to you because of work circumstances. When I talk about parasite landlords it's very rarely people that fall in that bracket. But there are people hoovering up multiple properties (often with wealth they've not even accumulated themselves) who have no interest in who their tenant is, they simply put up rents as and when they can to increase their margins, many will try and get out of any maintenance that needs doing and make it difficult for tenants moving out to even get their deposits back. They are a cancer and I have zero sympathy with them, if they are struggling sell up and get a proper job like most of us......... The other thing I'd add to wannabees post as well is that some landlords want to reap all the rewards without the risk. MrCoke also referenced incentivising people in his post and I agree. People should be incentivised to invest in business, enterprise and innovation. Things which create jobs, generates wealth and stuff we can export outside of the UK. Investing is housing does none of that. It just moves a significant percentage of one person's pay cheque into someone else's hand to buy an asset on their behalf, or for the mortgage free it's mostly just profit.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 24, 2024 9:04:15 GMT
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Post by gawa on Aug 25, 2024 15:07:28 GMT
Just more labour donors getting favourable treatment, nothing to see here.
This is the "changed" labour party.
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Post by gawa on Aug 25, 2024 15:11:31 GMT
As a country we need to Unite. Yes some people see immigration, Palestine and other causes as an issue.
But we should not be accepting this as a population. We should be on the streets and going on mass strikes to grind the country to a halt. Protest outside big corporation head offices and millionaire rows.
Enough is enough. We need to stand together against inequality and show the wealthy they are nothing without our labour.
Labour don't represent workers. Tories don't represent workers. Reform don't represent workers.
The longer we accept this shit the worse it will continue to get.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 25, 2024 16:35:49 GMT
Just more labour donors getting favourable treatment, nothing to see here. This is the "changed" labour party. I'm not a fan of the way Poltical Party's are funded in this Country, I said as much in a post a few hours ago on a different thread There have been a number of Party's in No 10 over the last few years which have attracted controversy for one reason or other, where would you place this on the scale? Alli was the Chief Fundraiser for Labour during the GE as well as Donating £500K himself. Alli does a lot of Fundraising for Charity sometimes with his life partner Charlie Parsons. He was given temporary security access to No 10 to organise a Garden Party presumably for those that contributed and those that organised. I don't agree with it but we are where we are. A couple of years ago my nephew and his wife were invited to a Garden Party at Buck House during the late Queens Reign. He is a Charity Organiser in Edinburgh. I don't agree with the whole patronage system and would wish Charity's weren't required and Political Party's were Publically Funded Scratch the surface deep enough and there is always a hidden agenda. The Tweeter Bastani of Novara Media, British Workers Party, I believe you support or at least did, apologies if I misinterpreted certainty seem to have doubts about his record and motivations www.google.com/amp/s/workerspartybritain.org/2022/09/27/bastani-novara-media-no-alternative/amp/As for your follow up post on Starmer my only comment is that I'll wait until October Budget and compare what Labour said in Manifesto
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 25, 2024 16:44:43 GMT
There are lots of landlords with a single property, often through inheritance or similar to you because of work circumstances. When I talk about parasite landlords it's very rarely people that fall in that bracket. But there are people hoovering up multiple properties (often with wealth they've not even accumulated themselves) who have no interest in who their tenant is, they simply put up rents as and when they can to increase their margins, many will try and get out of any maintenance that needs doing and make it difficult for tenants moving out to even get their deposits back. They are a cancer and I have zero sympathy with them, if they are struggling sell up and get a proper job like most of us......... The other thing I'd add to wannabees post as well is that some landlords want to reap all the rewards without the risk. MrCoke also referenced incentivising people in his post and I agree. People should be incentivised to invest in business, enterprise and innovation. Things which create jobs, generates wealth and stuff we can export outside of the UK. Investing is housing does none of that. It just moves a significant percentage of one person's pay cheque into someone else's hand to buy an asset on their behalf, or for the mortgage free it's mostly just profit. I highly doubt there will be anything in this upcoming budget to incentivise small and medium sized business or random entrepreneurs to invest and take risk when labour are going to tax the living shit out of them for investing and taking that risk.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 25, 2024 17:36:09 GMT
The other thing I'd add to wannabees post as well is that some landlords want to reap all the rewards without the risk. MrCoke also referenced incentivising people in his post and I agree. People should be incentivised to invest in business, enterprise and innovation. Things which create jobs, generates wealth and stuff we can export outside of the UK. Investing is housing does none of that. It just moves a significant percentage of one person's pay cheque into someone else's hand to buy an asset on their behalf, or for the mortgage free it's mostly just profit. I highly doubt there will be anything in this upcoming budget to incentivise small and medium sized business or random entrepreneurs to invest and take risk when labour are going to tax the living shit out of them for investing and taking that risk. If Labour don't generate growth by incentives, deregulation, investment in public services, they will go the way of Atlee, Wilson, Callaghan, and Brown. At the moment they seem to be engaged in a process of talking the country into recession. hyphenonline.com/2024/08/15/the-economy-is-healthier-than-thought-but-thatll-be-news-to-many-rachel-reeves-chancellor-budget-cost-of-living/#tblciGiDqD3FOgXvn1Rwr0Hqfpu1MfEx3VixhApT688bKtJauuSCopV4ors7_zKzW6vgcMLz2VwThe trick is how to create more wealth and ensure those that need it most get a larger share. Creating wealth is done as described above with the emphasis on investment by government and private enterprise which is booming with record profits and record business start ups, but still not enough investment. Tackling poverty and inequality is also steaight forward but needs more boldness. Labour have started well by granting wage increases. This needs to be followed up by increasing the minimum wage and benefits by more than inflation. Better to pay a decent pension to those in greatest need than handing winter fuel allowance to everyone retired, a lot of whom don't really need it. Ditto prescriptions, TV licence, etc. Is this inflationary? I believe extra money for the poor goes straight back into the economy, the poor don't spend it on luxuries, etc. ; they spend what they have on essentials. The difficulty is preventing profligacy. Paying GPs over £100,000 pa just results in them working a shorter week and we are still short of doctors. Paying workers more makes them more expensive to employ and that will motivate those greedy capitalists to invest in automation, etc. and increase the UK' s desperately poor productivity; something that is already started to happen since stopping freedom of movement. At the and of the day ASLEF pay increases will drive the rail industry to automatic trains. (We had automatic locos on coke ovens in the 1980s!) Germany is developing automatic lorries, self drive cars, and parcel post by drones are being developed. Trains on rails will be easy to automate! Paying high wages creates the need for technological advance. If Starmer goes the route of taxing everyone more to pay for inefficiency, over manning, patching things up, then their huge majority will quickly evaporate like Blair's and Johnson's did.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 25, 2024 18:31:23 GMT
It’s gonna get worse and stay worse
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Post by gawa on Aug 25, 2024 20:29:17 GMT
Just more labour donors getting favourable treatment, nothing to see here. This is the "changed" labour party. I'm not a fan of the way Poltical Party's are funded in this Country, I said as much in a post a few hours ago on a different thread There have been a number of Party's in No 10 over the last few years which have attracted controversy for one reason or other, where would you place this on the scale? Alli was the Chief Fundraiser for Labour during the GE as well as Donating £500K himself. Alli does a lot of Fundraising for Charity sometimes with his life partner Charlie Parsons. He was given temporary security access to No 10 to organise a Garden Party presumably for those that contributed and those that organised. I don't agree with it but we are where we are. A couple of years ago my nephew and his wife were invited to a Garden Party at Buck House during the late Queens Reign. He is a Charity Organiser in Edinburgh. I don't agree with the whole patronage system and would wish Charity's weren't required and Political Party's were Publically Funded Scratch the surface deep enough and there is always a hidden agenda. The Tweeter Bastani of Novara Media, British Workers Party, I believe you support or at least did, apologies if I misinterpreted certainty seem to have doubts about his record and motivations www.google.com/amp/s/workerspartybritain.org/2022/09/27/bastani-novara-media-no-alternative/amp/As for your follow up post on Starmer my only comment is that I'll wait until October Budget and compare what Labour said in Manifesto I think you're missing the key point of the article. It's not about him organising a garden party. It's about him being given a 7 week pass to downing street, something which only staff get. The news is on the bbc, the Times, guardian, daily mirror, sky etc.. What's their hidden agenda? I've criticised Aaron Bastani and Novara before - not sure on the relevance? I prefer Workers Party over Labour, I prefer Corbyn over Workers Party. Again not sure how this is relevant to Alli being given a 7 week downing street pass. To be honest I don't think Allis partners name, charity events, how much they raise for charity or what's happened at past downing street parties is really relevant either. Any opinion on the 7 week downing street pass?
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Aug 25, 2024 20:34:02 GMT
Well, he's outlasted Liz Truss.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 25, 2024 20:43:13 GMT
Well, he's outlasted Liz Truss. He's more cabbage than lettuce then?
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Post by wannabee on Aug 25, 2024 22:30:06 GMT
I'm not a fan of the way Poltical Party's are funded in this Country, I said as much in a post a few hours ago on a different thread There have been a number of Party's in No 10 over the last few years which have attracted controversy for one reason or other, where would you place this on the scale? Alli was the Chief Fundraiser for Labour during the GE as well as Donating £500K himself. Alli does a lot of Fundraising for Charity sometimes with his life partner Charlie Parsons. He was given temporary security access to No 10 to organise a Garden Party presumably for those that contributed and those that organised. I don't agree with it but we are where we are. A couple of years ago my nephew and his wife were invited to a Garden Party at Buck House during the late Queens Reign. He is a Charity Organiser in Edinburgh. I don't agree with the whole patronage system and would wish Charity's weren't required and Political Party's were Publically Funded Scratch the surface deep enough and there is always a hidden agenda. The Tweeter Bastani of Novara Media, British Workers Party, I believe you support or at least did, apologies if I misinterpreted certainty seem to have doubts about his record and motivations www.google.com/amp/s/workerspartybritain.org/2022/09/27/bastani-novara-media-no-alternative/amp/As for your follow up post on Starmer my only comment is that I'll wait until October Budget and compare what Labour said in Manifesto I think you're missing the key point of the article. It's not about him organising a garden party. It's about him being given a 7 week pass to downing street, something which only staff get. The news is on the bbc, the Times, guardian, daily mirror, sky etc.. What's their hidden agenda? I've criticised Aaron Bastani and Novara before - not sure on the relevance? I prefer Workers Party over Labour, I prefer Corbyn over Workers Party. Again not sure how this is relevant to Alli being given a 7 week downing street pass. To be honest I don't think Allis partners name, charity events, how much they raise for charity or what's happened at past downing street parties is really relevant either. Any opinion on the 7 week downing street pass? I thought i had given my opinion but i shall clarify it further Lord Waheed Alli was given a temporary security pass to organize a knee's up to celebrate Labours GE victory in No 10 Garden According to reports the pass was withdrawn some weeks ago (so not 7 weeks ) presumably after the Party was over. I thought i had made it clear i don't agree with these sorts of things as it smacks of patronage The Sunday Times noted ‘It is rare (obviously not unique) for anyone not formally employed as a political adviser or civil servant to be given a Downing Street pass, or to host events on the premises.’ What nefarious activities are you alleging that bbc, the Times, guardian, daily mirror, sky etc are not? The reason i questioned why Bastani may have a hidden agenda, the WP certainly think he does, is you chose to post the "scoop" via a Tweet from Bastani,, you could have used .... bbc, the Times, guardian, daily mirror, sky etc Why don't you just come out and say what wrong doing you are seeing here and stop beating about the bush, all i can see is some privileged individuals having a Garden Party which Joe Soaps are not invited to.
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Post by gawa on Aug 26, 2024 0:04:14 GMT
I think you're missing the key point of the article. It's not about him organising a garden party. It's about him being given a 7 week pass to downing street, something which only staff get. The news is on the bbc, the Times, guardian, daily mirror, sky etc.. What's their hidden agenda? I've criticised Aaron Bastani and Novara before - not sure on the relevance? I prefer Workers Party over Labour, I prefer Corbyn over Workers Party. Again not sure how this is relevant to Alli being given a 7 week downing street pass. To be honest I don't think Allis partners name, charity events, how much they raise for charity or what's happened at past downing street parties is really relevant either. Any opinion on the 7 week downing street pass? I thought i had given my opinion but i shall clarify it further Lord Waheed Alli was given a temporary security pass to organize a knee's up to celebrate Labours GE victory in No 10 Garden According to reports the pass was withdrawn some weeks ago (so not 7 weeks ) presumably after the Party was over. I thought i had made it clear i don't agree with these sorts of things as it smacks of patronage The Sunday Times noted ‘It is rare (obviously not unique) for anyone not formally employed as a political adviser or civil servant to be given a Downing Street pass, or to host events on the premises.’ What nefarious activities are you alleging that bbc, the Times, guardian, daily mirror, sky etc are not? The reason i questioned why Bastani may have a hidden agenda, the WP certainly think he does, is you chose to post the "scoop" via a Tweet from Bastani,, you could have used .... bbc, the Times, guardian, daily mirror, sky etc Why don't you just come out and say what wrong doing you are seeing here and stop beating about the bush, all i can see is some privileged individuals having a Garden Party which Joe Soaps are not invited to. You're right he was given it at the beginning of July and to quote the times: "After Alli’s pass was revealed, government sources said it had only been given to him temporarily, with an expiration date of the end of August." I'm not alleging any nefarious activities. I was asking you that as in response to me breaking the news you quoted me and said: "Scratch the surface deep enough and there is always a hidden agenda" I literally just pick the first tweet I see. I'm not posting it for his 10 words (who I note his wife is a Labour councillor), just the article he is referencing. But hey I also agree with the guy at times too, but not on everything. As far as I'm concerned, I'm not aware of the specific date it was handed back. I do only know the expiration date. Do you have information I don't have which confirms the precise date it was handed back? "A Whitehall source with knowledge of No 10 staffing described the decision to grant Alli a pass as a mystery to everyone in Downing Street apart from the donor himself and whoever granted it." It's also circumventing government policy on using government property for Party political events "The ministerial code says: “Government property should not generally be used for … party political work.” It says a “particular exception” is where an official residence is used. In such cases, ministers should ensure costs are met out of their own pocket or their party’s." But most of all it just stinks of cronyism and showing the Labour party is very much for sale. Just like Gary Lubner was able to buy his son into a 2 horse race for labour youth chair. Or like Ian Corfield was able to buy himself a position in Reeves team. Or like the Labour NEC members who managed to impose themselves as candidates. Or the many party aides and staff members who now all have big promotions in the civil service. How did things turn out when Lex Greensill was given a Downing Street pass?
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