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Post by wannabee on Jul 17, 2024 10:04:50 GMT
I think the 2 child benefit cap will be lifted today, just have a hunch. Surely post election labour can see they've got little buy in from the public. Reversing the cap could see them garner alot of support. Just feel they need to do something big today which wasn't on the manifesto. Or maybe I'm just being hopelessly optimistic. I'll be amazed if they do and they should and it would be popular If the first action of this Labour Government is to commit to £16Bn of unfunded expenditure over the life of this Parliament it would hang around like an unflushed Turd similar to the stupid "there's no money " note Far more likely is Rachel will find some money down the back of the couch in an Autumn Statement not least because its the right thing to do but also via pressure from her own colleagues
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 17, 2024 10:41:49 GMT
And good on them for doing it. More organisations and movements should follow suit- hopefully unions next. Whatever your position is on LGBT, like unions, minorities and the working class - many historically have lent labour their support to only be shafted. It's good to see groups making a stand and public statement. I don't think Conservatives being unwelcome at miners strikes was due to the miners being intolerant. When political parties turn their back on large swathes of their support. That same support will turn their back on political parties. When I was a member of the Labour party it was basically a party that put out policies and ideas for everyone and you made your choice. It them morphed into this party that would identify and then suck up to individual sections of society based on demographic or activism. That's why I left it. It wasn't the same party anymore. The more they keep up this method of getting support the more these sections of society will do their own thing and it will fall like a house of cards. Same with unions. In old Labour the unions were working with them but it seems now they are going to blackmail them with threats of withdrawing money etc unless they do what they want. It's just how I see it. The relationship between the unions and Labour has changed since the 70s. The Tories made hay accusing Labour of being in the pocket of the unions and under Blair the relationship became more arms length. Under Corbyn some of the big unions (notably Unite under McClusky) got very hands on in the Labour Party and were part of a move to deselect centrist Labour MPs. There was a backlash in the unions about the leadership being too focused on politics rather than members interests - its the unions under the likes of Sharon Graham at Unite that has looked to distance itself from Labour and Labour under Starmer is happier with a more arms length relationship to counter the claims that Labour are in the pocket of the unions. Personally I think that's a better arrangement - the unions should be in a position to challenge any government and the government shouldn't be in the pocket of any interest group.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Jul 17, 2024 10:49:16 GMT
I’m looking forward to what is said about housing. It’s all well and good building plenty of houses, but hopefully there will be something for potential first-time buyers like myself. And the infrastructure to go with it; medical care centres, school places, and a rethink of the purpose, function and value of town centres. Good luck on the house front btw. Thank you. We’ve been renting for years now, I dread to think how many £1000s we’ve paid off other folks mortgages! Spot on with everything you’ve said too.
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Post by skip on Jul 17, 2024 11:10:29 GMT
The Tories lost millions of pounds in donations, including our local 'hero' Mr Phones 4U (I'm not a fan of his) rather than Labour gained new money in donations. Much like the FPTP system that enabled Labour to win with fewer votes than Corbyn got, 'cos Starmer's success was nationwide votes rather than concentrated into major and tertiary cities. I'd rather Starmer's pragmatism in office than another five years of moaning from the safety of the opposition benches. Pretty sure Mr fones4u is now a labour donor. He is and he's a total cunt. He speaks highly of me too.
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Post by gawa on Jul 17, 2024 12:50:30 GMT
And the infrastructure to go with it; medical care centres, school places, and a rethink of the purpose, function and value of town centres. Good luck on the house front btw. Thank you. We’ve been renting for years now, I dread to think how many £1000s we’ve paid off other folks mortgages! Spot on with everything you’ve said too. It's a joke so it is and I have so much sympathy for anyone stuck in a rent trap having finally got out of it myself after a decade. And that was through the good luck of renting a flat off family which was cheaper than market rate which allowed me to save. Housing just shows the country up for the mess it is. When you look at the levels: - Renters who pay above mortgage value with no asset or anything to show for it. - Working class FTB when they buy at least have something to show for their mortgage but with the way interest rates are will pay for the house nearly twice. - Then we have the wealthy elite who buy outright saving a fortune by never renting or having a mortgage. And people in the last level are the ones who complain about tax. What about the unofficial tax renters pay which go straight into their pockets? Need wealth redistribution and inequality tackled to end the farce.
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Post by gawa on Jul 17, 2024 12:52:32 GMT
Disappointed to see the mandatory retirement for Lords over 80 not seemingly in the Kings speech. Wonder why they changed their mind on that.
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Post by Veritas on Jul 17, 2024 13:26:14 GMT
Disappointed to see the mandatory retirement for Lords over 80 not seemingly in the Kings speech. Wonder why they changed their mind on that. Disappointed, but not surprised, to see abolition of the Lords not in the King's speech and abolition of the King for that matter. To clarify that would be abolition of the role not the person of Charles Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderberg-Glucksburg aka Charles Windsor.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 17, 2024 13:34:04 GMT
Disappointed to see the mandatory retirement for Lords over 80 not seemingly in the Kings speech. Wonder why they changed their mind on that. Ageism? Dunno..
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Post by wannabee on Jul 17, 2024 13:42:38 GMT
Thank you. We’ve been renting for years now, I dread to think how many £1000s we’ve paid off other folks mortgages! Spot on with everything you’ve said too. It's a joke so it is and I have so much sympathy for anyone stuck in a rent trap having finally got out of it myself after a decade. And that was through the good luck of renting a flat off family which was cheaper than market rate which allowed me to save. Housing just shows the country up for the mess it is. When you look at the levels: - Renters who pay above mortgage value with no asset or anything to show for it. - Working class FTB when they buy at least have something to show for their mortgage but with the way interest rates are will pay for the house nearly twice. - Then we have the wealthy elite who buy outright saving a fortune by never renting or having a mortgage. And people in the last level are the ones who complain about tax. What about the unofficial tax renters pay which go straight into their pockets? Need wealth redistribution and inequality tackled to end the farce. The problem is that essentially Local Authorities stopped building houses in the late 1970s and those that had been built, up to 200K per year, were flogged off by Thatcher. This was popular for a few but not the many.... next gen. Therefore Central and Local Government subcontracted Housing to Developers and since then barely 200K are completed each year compared to 400K in the late 1960s with a small number of those by Housing Associations This suits a few with vested interests, the Central/Local Government who don't have to shell out to build houses, Developers who are sitting on Land Banks and release judiciously to keep prices artificially high and homeowners who generally see the value of their properties rise in tandem with the population looking for housing simply through supply and demand Another headache for the Government to solve is the thousands of houses compulsorily purchased between Birmingham and Manchester for the HS2 fiasco. Under the Critchel Down Rules these must be offered back to the original owners, not necessarily at the original purchase price. This mess will take years to resolve and you can "bet your house" there will be some scandals along the way www.statista.com/statistics/746101/completion-of-new-dwellings-uk/
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Post by wannabee on Jul 17, 2024 13:52:38 GMT
Disappointed to see the mandatory retirement for Lords over 80 not seemingly in the Kings speech. Wonder why they changed their mind on that. In the Kings Speech Labour will remove Hereditary Peers finally about 90 I think. Retirement at 80 may not need Primary Legislation Expect to see a slimmed down HoL by the end of this Parliament and a pathway to further reduce/reform
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Post by flea79 on Jul 17, 2024 15:16:36 GMT
Disappointed to see the mandatory retirement for Lords over 80 not seemingly in the Kings speech. Wonder why they changed their mind on that. In the Kings Speech Labour will remove Hereditary Peers finally about 90 I think. Retirement at 80 may not need Primary Legislation Expect to see a slimmed down HoL by the end of this Parliament and a pathway to further reduce/reform im not so sure that the HOL should be scrapped they do provide at times an important "brake" on the government as seen during the brexit debacle where they regularly refused to pass bills pertaining to this issue im sure there are many others they send back to the commons too, brexit was just a little more high profile the point is they remain another arm of the constitution that is both historic and useful more should be done re our justice system and to streamline that and make it more efficient
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Post by skip on Jul 17, 2024 15:50:32 GMT
Disappointed to see the mandatory retirement for Lords over 80 not seemingly in the Kings speech. Wonder why they changed their mind on that. They should deploy the same logic to heredity peerages as they are doing to that new cigarette purchase ban to the under 16s. When a Peer gets to 90 they retire (if they last that long) and no replacements. They'll whittle down in their own sweet time.
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Post by serpico on Jul 17, 2024 16:41:25 GMT
So some of labours first moves are to early release a load of criminals, ramp up pointless net zero policies which will undoubtedly make energy bills higher and energy sources less reliable and basically give up on border controls… can’t wait! The tories were absolutely shit but this lot are intent on self sabotage! Middle class wankers as far from the working man as is possible!
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Post by wannabee on Jul 17, 2024 16:46:11 GMT
In the Kings Speech Labour will remove Hereditary Peers finally about 90 I think. Retirement at 80 may not need Primary Legislation Expect to see a slimmed down HoL by the end of this Parliament and a pathway to further reduce/reform im not so sure that the HOL should be scrapped they do provide at times an important "brake" on the government as seen during the brexit debacle where they regularly refused to pass bills pertaining to this issue im sure there are many others they send back to the commons too, brexit was just a little more high profile the point is they remain another arm of the constitution that is both historic and useful more should be done re our justice system and to streamline that and make it more efficient I don't think it's planned to be scrapped but reformed possibly along the lines of Gordon Brown's recommendations/report I agree there are probably more pressing issues to get on with first
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 17, 2024 18:33:54 GMT
Makes excellent sense of what Starmer and Labour will be up against.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 17, 2024 18:43:02 GMT
Makes excellent sense of what Starmer and Labour will be up against. We'll never make any decisive progress until we get the political system and processes right. Just a tedious ideological battle between the righteous "left" and the others
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 17, 2024 18:47:18 GMT
Here's another good one!
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Post by gawa on Jul 17, 2024 19:53:41 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Jul 17, 2024 20:15:37 GMT
Not only is this complete bollocks but is mischievous as I presume our Northern Ireland contributor will confirm, or otherwise In the great divide of NI Politics between direct rule and devolution it was first proposed by UK Government to build a National Stadium in NI as far back as 2011 for Football, Rugby and GAA Nationalist games. This was rejected by by the individual Sports bodies who wanted to develop their respective grounds individually. The development for Football (Windsor Park) and Rugby (Ravenhill) were completed but the development of Casement Park was beset by objections and Political Shenanigans Unsurprisingly the cost to redevelop Casement Park has increased substantially since 2011 and the latest estimate is about £300M which is tentatively financed by £15M GAA £62M NI Government €50M by ROI Government as part of an €800M commitment on various cross border initiatives although they have indicated they may be flexible and the remainder by UK Treasury to fulfil their commitment The urgency to make a decision on the project is because if not completed NI will be unable to participate in the 5 Nations Euro 2028 which has recently been evaluated will add £106M to NI Economy Hilary Benn NI Secretary recently confirmed the project will go ahead no matter what but couldn't confirm it will be completed in time for Euro 2028 It is slip shod reporting in a highly complex politicised region that London born Sue Grey with family connections to NI who once ran a Bar in NI and also a Department in NI Civil Service could somehow influence this decision This evening Starmer is hosting the ROI PM at Chequers I'm sure Casement Park will be part of the agenda
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Post by Gods on Jul 17, 2024 21:41:53 GMT
Kings speech was 'big state Britain' and then some.
Not for me.
In any case it will all unravel, just stay patient.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 17, 2024 22:41:35 GMT
Kings speech was 'big state Britain' and then some. Not for me. In any case it will all unravel, just stay patient. How long will we need to wait and what will be the outcome of unraveling?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 18, 2024 5:48:16 GMT
That twat can fcuk right off....
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 18, 2024 6:04:12 GMT
That twat can fcuk right off.... My father always used to say You should judge people by the company they keep
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 18, 2024 6:15:56 GMT
Not only is this complete bollocks but is mischievous as I presume our Northern Ireland contributor will confirm, or otherwise In the great divide of NI Politics between direct rule and devolution it was first proposed by UK Government to build a National Stadium in NI as far back as 2011 for Football, Rugby and GAA Nationalist games. This was rejected by by the individual Sports bodies who wanted to develop their respective grounds individually. The development for Football (Windsor Park) and Rugby (Ravenhill) were completed but the development of Casement Park was beset by objections and Political Shenanigans Unsurprisingly the cost to redevelop Casement Park has increased substantially since 2011 and the latest estimate is about £300M which is tentatively financed by £15M GAA £62M NI Government €50M by ROI Government as part of an €800M commitment on various cross border initiatives although they have indicated they may be flexible and the remainder by UK Treasury to fulfil their commitment The urgency to make a decision on the project is because if not completed NI will be unable to participate in the 5 Nations Euro 2028 which has recently been evaluated will add £106M to NI Economy Hilary Benn NI Secretary recently confirmed the project will go ahead no matter what but couldn't confirm it will be completed in time for Euro 2028 It is slip shod reporting in a highly complex politicised region that London born Sue Grey with family connections to NI who once ran a Bar in NI and also a Department in NI Civil Service could somehow influence this decision This evening Starmer is hosting the ROI PM at Chequers I'm sure Casement Park will be part of the agenda So reading your post They want to spend at least 300 million pounds ( we all know it will be higher ) of which the sporting body concerned is contributing 15 mil To achieve a possible 106 million return Maybe the 200 odd million pounds of uk taxpayers money would be better utilised on the creaking NI health service
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 18, 2024 6:33:55 GMT
That twat can fcuk right off.... My father always used to say You should judge people by the company they keep And he was so right.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 18, 2024 7:56:39 GMT
Not only is this complete bollocks but is mischievous as I presume our Northern Ireland contributor will confirm, or otherwise In the great divide of NI Politics between direct rule and devolution it was first proposed by UK Government to build a National Stadium in NI as far back as 2011 for Football, Rugby and GAA Nationalist games. This was rejected by by the individual Sports bodies who wanted to develop their respective grounds individually. The development for Football (Windsor Park) and Rugby (Ravenhill) were completed but the development of Casement Park was beset by objections and Political Shenanigans Unsurprisingly the cost to redevelop Casement Park has increased substantially since 2011 and the latest estimate is about £300M which is tentatively financed by £15M GAA £62M NI Government €50M by ROI Government as part of an €800M commitment on various cross border initiatives although they have indicated they may be flexible and the remainder by UK Treasury to fulfil their commitment The urgency to make a decision on the project is because if not completed NI will be unable to participate in the 5 Nations Euro 2028 which has recently been evaluated will add £106M to NI Economy Hilary Benn NI Secretary recently confirmed the project will go ahead no matter what but couldn't confirm it will be completed in time for Euro 2028 It is slip shod reporting in a highly complex politicised region that London born Sue Grey with family connections to NI who once ran a Bar in NI and also a Department in NI Civil Service could somehow influence this decision This evening Starmer is hosting the ROI PM at Chequers I'm sure Casement Park will be part of the agenda So reading your post They want to spend at least 300 million pounds ( we all know it will be higher ) of which the sporting body concerned is contributing 15 mil To achieve a possible 106 million return Maybe the 200 odd million pounds of uk taxpayers money would be better utilised on the creaking NI health service Like most things in NI is has a Political and unfortunately sectarian dimension The 2011 agreement to redevelop Football, Rugby and GAA Games separately rather than a National Stadium the NI Government earmarked £138M for all three. The Football and Rugby developments went ahead as scheduled and were completed. The cost of Casement Park redevelopment was estimated at £77M of which NI Government would put up £62M and GAA £15M. These figures have remained constant. Through various Government collapses, planing applications, judicial reviews, change of Government/Ministers the project has got bogged down. One of the biggest delays was the collapse of the NI Parliament in 2017 for 3 years due to what is known as the Cash for Ash scandal which was overseen by previous First Minister Arlene Foster. Under the scheme the more wood pellets you burned the more money you received back in grant. It is estimated it cost NI Government £500M. NI Government was restored under a deal brokered by UK Government called New Decade New Approach which Casement Park was intrinsically linked. Of course the later collapse of NI Government due to Brexit delayed things further. Casement Park in NI context is not just about building a Stadium to part host the Euro 2028 but a test of whether Politics in NI has grown up and can cooperative across communities. I suspect it hasn't. Grant Thornton who prepared the cost benefit analysis admit the £106M is conservative and could be up to £255M. This is just the one off benefit and doesn't include future Revenue Streams. More importantly it would say to other potential Investors, notably from US, is that NI has a cohesive Society safe to invest in. I have a feeling that opportunity will be lost and NI will remain in the Dark Ages of Sectarian Bigotry www.bbc.com/news/articles/cldd2wegk5xo
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Post by gawa on Jul 18, 2024 10:29:55 GMT
Two cheeks...
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Post by flea79 on Jul 18, 2024 21:57:36 GMT
Clueless this guy is
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 19, 2024 10:58:10 GMT
I have woken up this morning with a song in my head, all together now let's make it a..........Fantastic Day 😁😁😁😁😁 I was thinking more like " Highway to Hell". Just watch how the markets react tomorrow, and how the pound is going to bomb against USD & Euro. If anyone planning a holiday to Europe in the next few weeks, buy your Euro's now... Labour are going to cripple us... This aged well 🤣
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Post by gawa on Jul 19, 2024 12:01:09 GMT
Excellent speech by Stephen Flynn. Probably my favourite Westminster MP
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