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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 7, 2024 7:47:12 GMT
Some names I was hoping I’d never see again being brought back into the fold, the likes of Jacquie Smith and Alan Milburn…….
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Post by Gods on Jul 7, 2024 7:48:30 GMT
Nope don’t get this one, can someone explain it for me please I'm sure it's a play on Starmers oft quoted 'my dad was a tool maker'. But I'm not sure whether the implication is Number 10 now houses someone who is himself a bit of a 'tool' (slang). Or that he will be using his 'tool' (slang) to pleasure his wife inside Number 10. They are my best 2 guesses.
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Post by Gods on Jul 7, 2024 7:51:14 GMT
Some names I was hoping I’d never see again being brought back into the fold, the likes of Jacquie Smith and Alan Milburn……. I'm surprised Jacquie Smith left her nice cosy job on the ITV breakfast sofa. Was she caught up somehow in the expenses scandal a few years ago? Expensed her husbands porno movie on a hotel TV? Something like that.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 7, 2024 8:10:03 GMT
The thing that the Daily Hate doesn't quite realise yet is that, apart from the headbangers who still think it was a good idea (which is a good proportion of Hate readers, but by no means all), most people in the country are probably glad that the new govt will try to have a better relationship with our closest trading partners (without rejoining) in order to grow the economy and provide the wherewithal to fund the improvements in public services we all know are needed. Ideologically sticking to a failed and damaging decision is simply stupid. 'Boris warns' 😂 Is that really all they have? It's a shame the Daily Hate didn't warn us about Boris, what a much better place the country could be in 🤦
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Post by elystokie on Jul 7, 2024 8:14:39 GMT
Some names I was hoping I’d never see again being brought back into the fold, the likes of Jacquie Smith and Alan Milburn……. I'm surprised Jacquie Smith left her nice cosy job on the ITV breakfast sofa. Was she caught up somehow in the expenses scandal a few years ago? Expensed her husbands porno movie on a hotel TV? Something like that. This was the woman that reclassified cannabis from C to B when she was Home Secretary amid questions of it's medical efficacy. She now sits on the board of a Medical Cannabis company 🤦🤷 Looks like a grifter to me, she can fuck off 😡 There was rumours that the reclassification was really the result of a 'deal' done with the Daily Hate, their part was that they'd go easy on Gordon Brown, they didn't 😂
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 7, 2024 8:29:50 GMT
I'm surprised Jacquie Smith left her nice cosy job on the ITV breakfast sofa. Was she caught up somehow in the expenses scandal a few years ago? Expensed her husbands porno movie on a hotel TV? Something like that. This was the woman that reclassified cannabis from C to B when she was Home Secretary amid questions of it's medical efficacy. She now sits on the board of a Medical Cannabis company 🤦🤷 Looks like a grifter to me, she can fuck off 😡 There was rumours that the reclassification was really the result of a 'deal' done with the Daily Hate, their part was that they'd go easy on Gordon Brown, they didn't 😂 Honestly some of the names being put forward are just the absolute worst of the Blairite reign. Starmer was rightly praised for the Timpson appointment, these appointments are more like Burnley reappointing Stan Ternant and then quickly realising his brand of football is out of date and not required….
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Post by elystokie on Jul 7, 2024 8:54:24 GMT
This was the woman that reclassified cannabis from C to B when she was Home Secretary amid questions of it's medical efficacy. She now sits on the board of a Medical Cannabis company 🤦🤷 Looks like a grifter to me, she can fuck off 😡 There was rumours that the reclassification was really the result of a 'deal' done with the Daily Hate, their part was that they'd go easy on Gordon Brown, they didn't 😂 Honestly some of the names being put forward are just the absolute worst of the Blairite reign. Starmer was rightly praised for the Timpson appointment, these appointments are more like Burnley reappointing Stan Ternant and then quickly realising his brand of football is out of date and not required…. On the other side of the coin Victoria Atkins, another grifter, has just been on with Kuenssberg, avoided the Tory Leadership question studiously, I genuinely hope she gets it. Maybe then there'll be an investigation into her connection with the UK company that exported around 100 tons of cannabis per year while she was Drugs Minister 🤔
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 7, 2024 10:51:44 GMT
I’m all for closer cooperation with our European friends, it’s the only sensible thing to do. ( In fact , in this new rapidly changing world , it is not just about trade, I’m in favour of building bridges with Russia, Iran etc as far as possible).I hope Starmer sticks to his word , if he is honourable, not to rejoin the EU. That means for me, no single currency. No free movement, not being subject to the European Court…..ie no Political Union aka Lisbon and Maastricht. I just hope the EU is willing to cooperate. By the way there are a lot of headbanging Eurosceptics across Europe, particularly France, Holland , Germany and Hungary so really there’s no need for the insults , which is all we get from the left, rather than recognising the genuine concerns of ordinary people.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 7, 2024 11:29:30 GMT
I’m all for closer cooperation with our European friends, it’s the only sensible thing to do. ( In fact , in this new rapidly changing world , it is not just about trade, I’m in favour of building bridges with Russia, Iran etc as far as possible).I hope Starmer sticks to his word , if he is honourable, not to rejoin the EU. That means for me, no single currency. No free movement, not being subject to the European Court…..ie no Political Union aka Lisbon and Maastricht. I just hope the EU is willing to cooperate. By the way there are a lot of headbanging Eurosceptics across Europe, particularly France, Holland , Germany and Hungary so really there’s no need for the insults , which is all we get from the left, rather than recognising the genuine concerns of ordinary people. Would you advocate staying within the auspices of the ECHR? The 'Left' have also been subject to many insults, some posters can barely form a sentence without using the words 'swivel eyed' 'woke' etc, you're right in that there's no need from either side but it's definitely a two way street.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 7, 2024 11:41:56 GMT
I’m all for closer cooperation with our European friends, it’s the only sensible thing to do. ( In fact , in this new rapidly changing world , it is not just about trade, I’m in favour of building bridges with Russia, Iran etc as far as possible).I hope Starmer sticks to his word , if he is honourable, not to rejoin the EU. That means for me, no single currency. No free movement, not being subject to the European Court…..ie no Political Union aka Lisbon and Maastricht. I just hope the EU is willing to cooperate. By the way there are a lot of headbanging Eurosceptics across Europe, particularly France, Holland , Germany and Hungary so really there’s no need for the insults , which is all we get from the left, rather than recognising the genuine concerns of ordinary people. Would you advocate staying within the auspices of the ECHR? The 'Left' have also been subject to many insults, some posters can barely form a sentence without using the words 'swivel eyed' 'woke' etc, you're right in that there's no need from either side but it's definitely a two way street. There is no need from any side, totally agree. Corbyn has had his fair share which I don't agree with . For the record, for me, he is a good back bencher, a good man, a total non racist , I'm pleased he is an MP, personally I don't think he was a good leader ( in today's world) and I don't think he should have been indecisive on the biggest issue, Brexit.On this board and whilst campaigning, giving briefings, his personal life I think Farage has been subject to more abuse, as have his supporters, and those doing it on the Oatcake seem to justify it, he deserves it and all his supporters are racist scum. Anyway. On the ECHR , which of course is not part of the EU ( My fault I was referring to the Court of Justice), I'm a bit ambivalent. Not a major issue for me....BUT if there is or continues to be a conflict between what the UK government wants to do and the ECHR wants, yes we should leave BUT there is no reason UK standards should not be ABOVE anything that the ECHR says, that's what I would like to see.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 7, 2024 11:49:59 GMT
Would you advocate staying within the auspices of the ECHR? The 'Left' have also been subject to many insults, some posters can barely form a sentence without using the words 'swivel eyed' 'woke' etc, you're right in that there's no need from either side but it's definitely a two way street. There is no need from any side, totally agree. Corbyn has had his fair share which I don't agree with . For the record, for me, he is a good back bencher, a good man, a total non racist , I'm pleased he is an MP, personally I don't think he was a good leader ( in today's world) and I don't think he should have been indecisive on the biggest issue, Brexit.On this board and whilst campaigning, giving briefings, his personal lifeI think Farage has been subject to more abuse, as have his supprters, and those doing it on the Oatcake seem to justify it, he deserves?it and all his supprters are scum. Anyway. On the ECHR , which of course is not part of the EU ( My fault I was referring to the Court of Justice), I'm a bit ambivalent. Not a major issue for me....BUT if there is or continuous to be a conflict between what the UK government wants to do and the ECHR wants, yes we should leave BUT there is no reason UK standards should not be ABOVE anything that the ECHR says, that's what I would like to see. All political figures get some sort of abuse on here, always have done, I don't see why Farage should be any different? With his well known views and the videos showing clearly what sort of person he is he's obviously attracted more attention than most recently. I see nothing wrong with that, it's basically what he hankers after 🤷
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 7, 2024 11:51:43 GMT
not being subject to the European Court…... Presumably that applies to any overseas body that resolves international disputes, such as the courts in the Hague, Strasbourg and any WTO dispute settlement panel?
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 7, 2024 11:57:23 GMT
not being subject to the European Court…... Presumably that applies to any overseas body that resolves international disputes, such as the courts in the Hague, Strasbourg and any WTO dispute settlement panel? What's the point in somewhere like The Hague when the likes of Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell aren't sent for trial there?
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 7, 2024 12:41:04 GMT
Presumably that applies to any overseas body that resolves international disputes, such as the courts in the Hague, Strasbourg and any WTO dispute settlement panel? What's the point in somewhere like The Hague when the likes of Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell aren't sent for trial there? A good question. Bring a claim to the attention of the chief prosecutor
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 7, 2024 12:55:03 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 7, 2024 12:57:39 GMT
not being subject to the European Court…... Presumably that applies to any overseas body that resolves international disputes, such as the courts in the Hague, Strasbourg and any WTO dispute settlement panel? No , I'm just talking about the EU Court, the European Court of Justice, Starmer is saying he will not take us back into the EU, so I hope he sticks to it.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 7, 2024 13:45:36 GMT
Can't stand the thought of old man Bliar giving his thoughts on TV, radio and newspapers. We are still paying the price for his premiership.. ..opening the borders for anyone and everyone. ...invading a Muslim country on a lie and stirring a whole load of unrest because of his action, let alone the lost and injured due to his ivasion decisions.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 7, 2024 14:06:20 GMT
Really don't have a problem with this government being boring and competent.
It was quite a ride under the Tories but they were utterly incompetent and lurched from one scandal to the next screwing much everything and everybody in their wake - in the end including themselves. By far the most useless government in my lifetime by a country mile.
As the old Chinese proverb goes- may you live in uninteresting times.
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Post by gawa on Jul 7, 2024 14:09:42 GMT
I'm surprised Jacquie Smith left her nice cosy job on the ITV breakfast sofa. Was she caught up somehow in the expenses scandal a few years ago? Expensed her husbands porno movie on a hotel TV? Something like that. This was the woman that reclassified cannabis from C to B when she was Home Secretary amid questions of it's medical efficacy. She now sits on the board of a Medical Cannabis company 🤦🤷 Looks like a grifter to me, she can fuck off 😡 There was rumours that the reclassification was really the result of a 'deal' done with the Daily Hate, their part was that they'd go easy on Gordon Brown, they didn't 😂 Also claimed thousands of pounds of porn for her husband as expenses.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 7, 2024 14:19:58 GMT
Some names I was hoping I’d never see again being brought back into the fold, the likes of Jacquie Smith and Alan Milburn……. Milburn...private health grandee...disappointing that.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 7, 2024 14:22:45 GMT
Presumably that applies to any overseas body that resolves international disputes, such as the courts in the Hague, Strasbourg and any WTO dispute settlement panel? No , I'm just talking about the EU Court, the European Court of Justice, Starmer is saying he will not take us back into the EU, so I hope he sticks to it. So why do you oppose decisions from one foreign court only but not others? Doesn’t really make sense.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 7, 2024 14:26:46 GMT
Presumably that applies to any overseas body that resolves international disputes, such as the courts in the Hague, Strasbourg and any WTO dispute settlement panel? No , I'm just talking about the EU Court, the European Court of Justice, Starmer is saying he will not take us back into the EU, so I hope he sticks to it. Personally I think it's important we remain within rulings of the ECHR if only to stop governments like the one we just endured doing as they please, I think that's dangerous, certainly seemed it in their case.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 7, 2024 14:43:20 GMT
No , I'm just talking about the EU Court, the European Court of Justice, Starmer is saying he will not take us back into the EU, so I hope he sticks to it. So why do you oppose decisions from one foreign court only but not others? Doesn’t really make sense. They are two different courts, two different purposes. Just because one " court" is acceptable to you doesn't mean they all are
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 7, 2024 14:45:38 GMT
No , I'm just talking about the EU Court, the European Court of Justice, Starmer is saying he will not take us back into the EU, so I hope he sticks to it. Personally I think it's important we remain within rulings of the ECHR if only to stop governments like the one we just endured doing as they please, I think that's dangerous, certainly seemed it in their case. I get that Ely, but the main task , as always, is to try to elect the right government in this country.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 7, 2024 15:16:48 GMT
Personally I think it's important we remain within rulings of the ECHR if only to stop governments like the one we just endured doing as they please, I think that's dangerous, certainly seemed it in their case. I get that Ely, but the main task , as always, is to try to elect the right government in this country. Oh indeed, however we evidently didn't in the case of Boris and I doubt when the previous election was held that people thought Thick Liz would get anywhere near the PM position. We probably got off lightly in some ways, Braverman or Patel could've followed her!! That's just terrifying 😳
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 7, 2024 15:18:40 GMT
Good to see over 40% of MPs are now women and 63% are state school educated.
For all the criticisms of out of touch, careerist politicians, and an unrepresentative House, this is very much a step in the right direction.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 7, 2024 15:19:37 GMT
I get that Ely, but the main task , as always, is to try to elect the right government in this country. Oh indeed, however we evidently didn't in the case of Boris and I doubt when the previous election was held that people thought Thick Liz would get anywhere near the PM position. We probably got off lightly in some ways, Braverman or Patel could've followed her!! That's just terrifying 😳 They still might, just not as PM thankfully.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 7, 2024 15:24:55 GMT
Personally I think it's important we remain within rulings of the ECHR if only to stop governments like the one we just endured doing as they please, I think that's dangerous, certainly seemed it in their case. I get that Ely, but the main task , as always, is to try to elect the right government in this country. I want us to rejoin the EU at some point but only on condition of some fundamental democratic reforms - there are some real issues as to how the EU functions at the moment. However we really need to get our own house in order first. Our system just isn't fit for purpose and the make up of the current Parliament compared with the popular vote shows up FPTP for what it is - fit for purpose in Belarus but nowhere else in Europe. Before even thinking about rejoining the EU we need a written constitution, an elected second chamber, electoral reform and substantive devolution of power to the regions otherwise berating the EU for its democratic deficit just looks ridiculously hypocritical.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 7, 2024 15:30:14 GMT
Oh indeed, however we evidently didn't in the case of Boris and I doubt when the previous election was held that people thought Thick Liz would get anywhere near the PM position. We probably got off lightly in some ways, Braverman or Patel could've followed her!! That's just terrifying 😳 They still might, just not as PM thankfully. I'm all about team Atkins for the reason stated above 😁
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 7, 2024 15:55:56 GMT
I get that Ely, but the main task , as always, is to try to elect the right government in this country. I want us to rejoin the EU at some point but only on condition of some fundamental democratic reforms - there are some real issues as to how the EU functions at the moment. However we really need to get our own house in order first. Our system just isn't fit for purpose and the make up of the current Parliament compared with the popular vote shows up FPTP for what it is - fit for purpose in Belarus but nowhere else in Europe. Before even thinking about rejoining the EU we need a written constitution, an elected second chamber, electoral reform and substantive devolution of power to the regions otherwise berating the EU for its democratic deficit just looks ridiculously hypocritical. I agree with what you say about Reform of our system. I don't agree with what you say about joining the EU because I don't want political Union, I don't want free movement, I don't want to join the Euro and I don't want the European Parliament ( or Commission ) to be sovereign over our Parliament. It's not hypocritical to not want to be part of that, it is just a different opinion, it isn't compulsory to be part of it. If one system needs Reform ( ours, I'd go for PR and abolition of the Hof L in a heartbeat) I don't see any advantage in joining another...the British public have never actually been interested and enthused by Brussels, wouldn't have known who their MEP was and what the function was. We have never been properly IN. And he EU will never change its remit to move ever closer to Political and Economic union...that's what it was set up for.....it's like asking a football club to stop playing football.....I'm not re re repeating the debate again, suffice to say that Eurosceptism isn't confined to the UK
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