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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 7, 2024 15:57:33 GMT
So why do you oppose decisions from one foreign court only but not others? Doesn’t really make sense. They are two different courts, two different purposes. Just because one " court" is acceptable to you doesn't mean they all are I agree. And that’s the brexit sovereignty argument in tatters
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 7, 2024 16:25:19 GMT
They are two different courts, two different purposes. Just because one " court" is acceptable to you doesn't mean they all are I agree. And that’s the brexit sovereignty argument in tatters Not at all, quite the reverse ...it is sovereignty when the UK parliament decides what is best for the Uk, which court/ treaty/ agreement to " buy" in to, which not
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 7, 2024 17:06:05 GMT
I agree. And that’s the brexit sovereignty argument in tatters Not at all, quite the reverse ...it is sovereignty when the UK parliament decides what is best for the Uk, which court/ treaty/ agreement to " buy" in to, which not Something we had before brexit, and that we continue to have after brexit without change. We are just a much smaller voice at the table internationally now as we do not have the power of swaying the EU as a whole any more.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 7, 2024 17:12:25 GMT
Not at all, quite the reverse ...it is sovereignty when the UK parliament decides what is best for the Uk, which court/ treaty/ agreement to " buy" in to, which not Something we had before brexit, and that we continue to have after brexit without change. We are just a much snaller voice at the table internationally now as we do not have the power of swaying the EU as a whole any more. Incorrect, the opposite. We were told we were going to pull up the drawbridge....far from it has happened. The EU itself refers to the need for the nation states to surrender sovereignty. We had little voice in the EU, that belonged to the Eurogroup. Anyway, we've done this many times Oggy. Reread the Brexit thread if you want?. Uou can have the last word, but it doesn't mean you are right. Have a good night
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 7, 2024 17:20:45 GMT
Something we had before brexit, and that we continue to have after brexit without change. We are just a much snaller voice at the table internationally now as we do not have the power of swaying the EU as a whole any more. Incorrect, the opposite. We were told we were going to pull up the drawbridge....far from it has happened. The EU itself refers to the need for the nation states to surrender sovereignty. We had little voice in the EU, that belonged to the Eurogroup. Anyway, we've done this many times Oggy. Reread the Brexit thread if you want?. Uou can have the last word, but it doesn't mean you are right. Have a good night The very fact we have left the EU proves my point. As a sovereign nation we chose to leave and we did it. We didn’t need to leave before having the sovereignty to choose whether or not to leave, as you seem to think! But you are willing to surrender sovereignty with all the hundreds of other international treaties we are signatories of. It is the height of hypocrisy. Germany is the biggest voice in the EU, followed by us and France. Now we are just an irrelevance.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 7, 2024 17:47:15 GMT
Incorrect, the opposite. We were told we were going to pull up the drawbridge....far from it has happened. The EU itself refers to the need for the nation states to surrender sovereignty. We had little voice in the EU, that belonged to the Eurogroup. Anyway, we've done this many times Oggy. Reread the Brexit thread if you want?. Uou can have the last word, but it doesn't mean you are right. Have a good night The very fact we have left the EU proves my point. As a sovereign nation we chose to leave and we did it. We didn’t need to leave before having the sovereignty to choose whether or not to leave, as you seem to think! But you are willing to surrender sovereignty with all the hundreds of other international treaties we are signatories of. It is the height of hypocrisy. Germany is the biggest voice in the EU, followed by us and France. Now we are just an irrelevance. Aye, the biggest most influential voice , and the ONLY one, people had really heard of was.......... FARAGE..........says everything about our position ( he did a good job though!) I could not resist
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 7, 2024 18:40:00 GMT
The very fact we have left the EU proves my point. As a sovereign nation we chose to leave and we did it. We didn’t need to leave before having the sovereignty to choose whether or not to leave, as you seem to think! But you are willing to surrender sovereignty with all the hundreds of other international treaties we are signatories of. It is the height of hypocrisy. Germany is the biggest voice in the EU, followed by us and France. Now we are just an irrelevance. Aye, the biggest most influential voice , and the ONLY one, people had really heard of was.......... FARAGE..........says everything about our position ( he did a good job though!) I could not resist Farage wasn’t influential in the EU. In what way did he influence policy in the EU?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 7, 2024 19:52:23 GMT
Aye, the biggest most influential voice , and the ONLY one, people had really heard of was.......... FARAGE..........says everything about our position ( he did a good job though!) I could not resist Farage wasn’t influential in the EU. In what way did he influence policy in the EU? No he wasn’t and he won’t be in this parliament But he did help to liberate this country from the yoke of European imperialism For which I shall always be grateful
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 7, 2024 19:55:20 GMT
Farage wasn’t influential in the EU. In what way did he influence policy in the EU? No he wasn’t and he won’t be in this parliament But he did help to liberate this country from the yoke of European imperialism For which I shall always be grateful Quite how he hasn’t been knighted is beyond me😉
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 7, 2024 20:30:02 GMT
No he wasn’t and he won’t be in this parliament But he did help to liberate this country from the yoke of European imperialism For which I shall always be grateful Quite how he hasn’t been knighted is beyond me😉 He surely will be at some point. I cannot stand the man, but he deserves to be if you are objective about it. Plus it fits. He is an archetypal member of the establishment elite. Being made a Sir (or a Lord even!) would cement that.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 7, 2024 20:47:41 GMT
No he wasn’t and he won’t be in this parliament But he did help to liberate this country from the yoke of European imperialism For which I shall always be grateful Quite how he hasn’t been knighted is beyond me😉 They've yet to find a sword sharp enough.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 7, 2024 20:48:23 GMT
Quite how he hasn’t been knighted is beyond me😉 They've yet to find a sword sharp enough. 🤣
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 7, 2024 21:07:05 GMT
No he wasn’t and he won’t be in this parliament But he did help to liberate this country from the yoke of European imperialism For which I shall always be grateful Quite how he hasn’t been knighted is beyond me😉 His dad wasn't a toolmaker.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 7, 2024 21:35:16 GMT
Quite how he hasn’t been knighted is beyond me😉 His dad wasn't a toolmaker. He was, but only in his leisure time..
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 8, 2024 7:15:31 GMT
"Resetting relations" seems to be the new buzz phrase……..Starmer resetting relation with devolved governments, Lammy resetting relations with EU & this morning Phillipson wants to reset relations with education sector. However should be interesting as Reeves has already stated "there isn’t much money". The new government have certainly "hit the ground running" (oh look another buzz phrase heard numerous times over the weekend). Looking forward to Wednesdays PMQs. Anymore buzz phrases from the new government. We could have a new game of Government Buzz Phrase Bingo.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 8, 2024 7:38:51 GMT
I'm not or wasn't particularly a Starmer fan. But I have to admit at least the change has , imo, created a new wave of hope and optimism. At least the previous lot have gone which is one positive.I suppose it's like getting a new manager. I believe in giving everyone a chance. He has many challenges and we can't expect immediate miracles.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 8, 2024 7:48:57 GMT
"Resetting relations" seems to be the new buzz phrase……..Starmer resetting relation with devolved governments, Lammy resetting relations with EU & this morning Phillipson wants to reset relations with education sector. However should be interesting as Reeves has already stated "there isn’t much money". The new government have certainly "hit the ground running" (oh look another buzz phrase heard numerous times over the weekend). Looking forward to Wednesdays PMQs. Anymore buzz phrases from the new government. We could have a new game of Government Buzz Phrase Bingo. Strange how people allow their political ideologies to influence their assessments... PM comes in promising to build 40 new hospitals, reinforce the borders, drastically reduce immigration and showcase the Brexit benefits, rightwingers swallow it whole. PM and chancellor come in painting a more realistic picture of the finances and the need to work with all partners instead of against them and it's all "buzzword bingo". After the bullshit, clownery and lies from Johnson et al, I'd have thought we'd all be crying out for some grown-up, sensible, realistic government for a while?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 8, 2024 8:20:43 GMT
"Resetting relations" seems to be the new buzz phrase……..Starmer resetting relation with devolved governments, Lammy resetting relations with EU & this morning Phillipson wants to reset relations with education sector. However should be interesting as Reeves has already stated "there isn’t much money". The new government have certainly "hit the ground running" (oh look another buzz phrase heard numerous times over the weekend). Looking forward to Wednesdays PMQs. Anymore buzz phrases from the new government. We could have a new game of Government Buzz Phrase Bingo. Strange how people allow their political ideologies to influence their assessments... PM comes in promising to build 40 new hospitals, reinforce the borders, drastically reduce immigration and showcase the Brexit benefits, rightwingers swallow it whole. PM and chancellor come in painting a more realistic picture of the finances and the need to work with all partners instead of against them and it's all "buzzword bingo". After the bullshit, clownery and lies from Johnson et al, I'd have thought we'd all be crying out for some grown-up, sensible, realistic government for a while? I don't think many of the issues you mention are just " right wing " issues though Red. In a sense you are playing the old game instead of addressing " grown up, sensible , realisic issues" that matter to many ordinary people. It isn't a case of get rid of the Tories and the Right and everything will be ok. That's the equivalent of promising Sunny uplands etc. This country ( and the wider world) has many problems in the next 5 or 10 years, let alone long term
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Post by wannabee on Jul 8, 2024 8:22:11 GMT
Thursday - Election
Friday - Cabinet announced
Saturday - First Cabinet Meeting to set the Agenda
Starmer calls Netanyahu and Abbass and says Palestine has an "Undeniable Right" to Statehood as part of Peace Process
Lammy flies to Germany to begin reset of relations with EU
Sunday - Starmer Flies to Scotland Lammy Flies to Poland Healy Flies to Ukraine
Monday - Starmer Flies to NI Lammy Flies to Sweden
Within a few short days of taking Office Labour wants to reset the relationships with EU and the devolved Governments. Sets out and confirms it's Policy on Israel/Palestine and Russia/Ukraine
And all the cynics have to offer is that Starmer's Dad was a Toolmaker. Pathetic.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 8, 2024 8:26:02 GMT
Thursday - Election Friday - Cabinet announced Saturday - First Cabinet Meeting to set the Agenda Starmer calls Netanyahu and Abbass and says Palestine has an "Undeniable Right" to Statehood as part of Peace Process Lammy flies to Germany to begin reset of relations with EU Sunday - Starmer Flies to Scotland Lammy Flies to Poland Healy Flies to Ukraine Monday - Starmer Flies to NI Lammy Flies to Sweden Within a few short days of taking Office Labour wants to reset the relationships with EU and the devolved Governments. Sets out and confirms it's Policy on Israel/Palestine and Russia/Ukraine And all the cynics have to offer is that Starmer's Dad was a Toolmaker. Pathetic. I think there was as much opposition on here from the real " Left" as the cynical on the right
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Post by wannabee on Jul 8, 2024 8:43:13 GMT
Thursday - Election Friday - Cabinet announced Saturday - First Cabinet Meeting to set the Agenda Starmer calls Netanyahu and Abbass and says Palestine has an "Undeniable Right" to Statehood as part of Peace Process Lammy flies to Germany to begin reset of relations with EU Sunday - Starmer Flies to Scotland Lammy Flies to Poland Healy Flies to Ukraine Monday - Starmer Flies to NI Lammy Flies to Sweden Within a few short days of taking Office Labour wants to reset the relationships with EU and the devolved Governments. Sets out and confirms it's Policy on Israel/Palestine and Russia/Ukraine And all the cynics have to offer is that Starmer's Dad was a Toolmaker. Pathetic. I think there was as much opposition on here from the real " Left" as the cynical on the right I didn't specify Left or Right but you're correct
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jul 8, 2024 9:03:04 GMT
I'm not or wasn't particularly a Starmer fan. But I have to admit at least the change has , imo, created a new wave of hope and optimism. At least the previous lot have gone which is one positive.I suppose it's like getting a new manager. I believe in giving everyone a chance. He has many challenges and we can't expect immediate miracles. Only a few days in but it's refreshing to hear proper conversations on the radio about how we take things forward, i.e. Prison reform, planning regs etc
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 8, 2024 9:34:48 GMT
Thursday - Election Friday - Cabinet announced Saturday - First Cabinet Meeting to set the Agenda Starmer calls Netanyahu and Abbass and says Palestine has an "Undeniable Right" to Statehood as part of Peace Process Lammy flies to Germany to begin reset of relations with EU Sunday - Starmer Flies to Scotland Lammy Flies to Poland Healy Flies to Ukraine Monday - Starmer Flies to NI Lammy Flies to Sweden Within a few short days of taking Office Labour wants to reset the relationships with EU and the devolved Governments. Sets out and confirms it's Policy on Israel/Palestine and Russia/Ukraine And all the cynics have to offer is that Starmer's Dad was a Toolmaker. Pathetic. In fairness you missed the bit about packing his cabinet with advisors from the Blair era including the likes of Alan Milburn a flagwaver for a private health model and Jacqui Smith which I will certainly be keeping an eye on going forwards......
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Post by cdf on Jul 8, 2024 9:50:33 GMT
Here is my take on the General Election and labour getting to power. We have at last got some nice looking women to look at
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jul 8, 2024 9:56:02 GMT
Here is my take on the General Election and labour getting to power. We have at last got some nice looking women to look at I'm sure Rachel Reeves has had a bit of what they call a 'glow up' Maybe power is an aphrodisiac after all. 😀
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 8, 2024 10:14:52 GMT
"Resetting relations" seems to be the new buzz phrase……..Starmer resetting relation with devolved governments, Lammy resetting relations with EU & this morning Phillipson wants to reset relations with education sector. However should be interesting as Reeves has already stated "there isn’t much money". The new government have certainly "hit the ground running" (oh look another buzz phrase heard numerous times over the weekend). Looking forward to Wednesdays PMQs. Anymore buzz phrases from the new government. We could have a new game of Government Buzz Phrase Bingo. That's ok, but what language did you expect them to use in the multitude on post election interviews/ press conferences? I think we might expect a bit of repetition considering the sheer amount of these and also a bit of a theme. All politicians (like businesses and organisations) use buzz words and phrases, it's not anything new, nor to be unexpected surely? One thing they have also said is that it is about deeds, not words. That remains to be seen and is surely where the judgements can start to enter?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 8, 2024 10:35:35 GMT
If you can watch this and not disappear up your own arsehole with embarrasment then you're a better person than me.....
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 8, 2024 10:37:30 GMT
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Post by gawa on Jul 8, 2024 10:39:59 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 8, 2024 10:51:31 GMT
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