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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 6, 2024 12:32:45 GMT
Sir erm Kier erm St erm er makes erm Biden sound coherent erm.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 6, 2024 12:42:16 GMT
I agree with him. Prisons should only be for dangers to society. Community service and fines should be more commonplace. Prisons do little for petty crimes. Community service may at least help someone. Spot on.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 6, 2024 12:55:49 GMT
I agree with him. Prisons should only be for dangers to society. Community service and fines should be more commonplace. Prisons do little for petty crimes. Community service may at least help someone. According to the excellent book 'Justice on Trial' by Chris Daw KC out of the approximately 80,000 currently incarcerated in UK prisons less than 100 are considered (by the Home Office themselves I believe) to be of danger to the general public. There has to be a better way and it certainly shouldn't involve building more colleges of criminality.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 6, 2024 13:17:14 GMT
Thanks for your insults.. "Clowns on the right" And putting words in my mouth " scumbag centralist" . Your respect for others is to be applauded. Justify your comment then. With reference to each of their election manifestos from 2017/2019 and 2024, tell us why Starmer is as left wing as Corbyn? I must admit I didn't study corbyns manifesto in great detail...watching the labour party conference with keir and corbyn on stage waving Palestinian flags kind of put me off.. Although I do know Central to corbyns manifesto were corbyn himself, McConnell, Thornbury, Abbott, the union leader can't remember his name and a certain keir starmer.. if he's not left wing why was he in the inner circle of the most left wing manifesto in the history of the labour party.. And as I said which you've ignored. Starmer is far more intelligent than corbyn and knew the labour party had to move more central to win back the people's vote.. he's gone that.. but keopards do not change their spots.. at heart he is sicialist left wing and this will slowly cone to the fore in years to come. I thank you for your converse. See ya.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 6, 2024 13:19:13 GMT
Justify your comment then. With reference to each of their election manifestos from 2017/2019 and 2024, tell us why Starmer is as left wing as Corbyn? My money is on silence...😀 More money lost...oh dear.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 6, 2024 13:50:57 GMT
I agree with him. Prisons should only be for dangers to society. Community service and fines should be more commonplace. Prisons do little for petty crimes. Community service may at least help someone. Spot on. Problem is how do you define "dangers to society"? It’s very subjective, a driver continually being prosecuted for dangerous driving and possibly causing a death for example is a danger to society imo and should receive custodial sentence.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jul 6, 2024 14:00:13 GMT
I thought he spoke well in terms of message in his press conference earlier.
I really hope he’s sincere and does well.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 6, 2024 14:01:53 GMT
Not bovvvered. For Christ's sake. But Rayner is not Chancellor of the Exchequer Rachel Reeves is. Rayner is in charge of Leveling Up, Housing and Communities The problem with the Conservatives is that they kept shuffling the pack that people ended up with Portfolios they had no clue about This is ENERGY Minister Gregg Hands explaining the Energy Supports. Everyone in the audience had a better grasp of the Policy than him. Of course he was just Gaslighting There were many such Tory incompetents to choose from who were promoted way beyond their capabilities but my favourite was Nadine Dorries Minister for MEDIA and Culture who was going to Privatise Channel 4
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 6, 2024 14:03:29 GMT
His Mrs and kids have gone out the way already today with a visit to Sandown races apparently,fair play to them
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 6, 2024 14:23:02 GMT
His Mrs and kids have gone out the way already today with a visit to Sandown races apparently,fair play to them Just down the road from me. Esher will be jammed.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 6, 2024 14:27:24 GMT
Problem is how do you define "dangers to society"? It’s very subjective, a driver continually being prosecuted for dangerous driving and possibly causing a death for example is a danger to society imo and should receive custodial sentence. I guess it’s all about discretion and the ability to tell the difference between someone making a mistake or doing something wrong due to personal circs / mental health and someone repeatedly not learning. For me it there has to be flexibility around sentencing. Good point though mate.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 6, 2024 14:42:15 GMT
Justify your comment then. With reference to each of their election manifestos from 2017/2019 and 2024, tell us why Starmer is as left wing as Corbyn? I must admit I didn't study corbyns manifesto in great detail...watching the labour party conference with keir and corbyn on stage waving Palestinian flags kind of put me off.. Although I do know Central to corbyns manifesto were corbyn himself, McConnell, Thornbury, Abbott, the union leader can't remember his name and a certain keir starmer.. if he's not left wing why was he in the inner circle of the most left wing manifesto in the history of the labour party.. And as I said which you've ignored. Starmer is far more intelligent than corbyn and knew the labour party had to move more central to win back the people's vote.. he's gone that.. but keopards do not change their spots.. at heart he is sicialist left wing and this will slowly cone to the fore in years to come. I thank you for your converse. See ya. So, as you have admitted, Starmer’s manifesto is much more in the centre ground than what Corbyn stood for. So he isn’t as left wing as Corbyn.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jul 6, 2024 15:14:14 GMT
I must admit I didn't study corbyns manifesto in great detail...watching the labour party conference with keir and corbyn on stage waving Palestinian flags kind of put me off.. Although I do know Central to corbyns manifesto were corbyn himself, McConnell, Thornbury, Abbott, the union leader can't remember his name and a certain keir starmer.. if he's not left wing why was he in the inner circle of the most left wing manifesto in the history of the labour party.. And as I said which you've ignored. Starmer is far more intelligent than corbyn and knew the labour party had to move more central to win back the people's vote.. he's gone that.. but keopards do not change their spots.. at heart he is sicialist left wing and this will slowly cone to the fore in years to come. I thank you for your converse. See ya. So, as you have admitted, Starmer’s manifesto is much more in the centre ground than what Corbyn stood for. So he isn’t as left wing as Corbyn. Oh dear,again you've chosen to ignore the point in my comment where I said starmer new he had to centralise manifesto to win votes.... I also said at heart he is left and will slowly move his party more left leaning now he has a huge majority to do so.. Do try and read all the comments and not just bits you want read.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 6, 2024 15:22:13 GMT
So, as you have admitted, Starmer’s manifesto is much more in the centre ground than what Corbyn stood for. So he isn’t as left wing as Corbyn. Oh dear,again you've chosen to ignore the point in my comment where I said starmer new he had to centralise manifesto to win votes.... I also said at heart he is left and will slowly move his party more left leaning now he has a huge majority to do so.. Do try and read all the comments and not just bits you want read. How do you know his heart? It is far more likely he had more influence over the contents of the manifesto as leader rather than when he was just part of the shadow cabinet. It is far more likely that his manifesto reflects his heart more than somebody else’s manifesto does. Why do you say it is the other way around? It is illogical.
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Post by 4372 on Jul 6, 2024 15:26:53 GMT
Sir erm Kier erm St erm er makes erm Biden sound coherent erm. He should have spoken eloquent bollocks about piccaninnies and Captain Hindsight, and announced the building of 40 prisons before tomorrow.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 6, 2024 15:45:43 GMT
Sir erm Kier erm St erm er makes erm Biden sound coherent erm. He should have spoken eloquent bollocks about piccaninnies and Captain Hindsight, and announced the building of 40 prisons before tomorrow. And he'd still be a wank orator. Delivery not content, don't piss your knickers.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 6, 2024 16:03:11 GMT
Sir erm Kier erm St erm er makes erm Biden sound coherent erm. He should have spoken eloquent bollocks about piccaninnies and Captain Hindsight, and announced the building of 40 prisons before tomorrow. Piece of piss, we can stick them in the grounds of those 40 new hospitals that the Liar King promised..
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 6, 2024 16:08:28 GMT
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jul 6, 2024 16:27:10 GMT
I'm a woke, champagne-quaffing, virtue-signalling, tofu-munching, leftie, snowflake. But that's very funny!
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 6, 2024 16:29:55 GMT
He should have spoken eloquent bollocks about piccaninnies and Captain Hindsight, and announced the building of 40 prisons before tomorrow. And he'd still be a wank orator. Delivery not content, don't piss your knickers. Same with Steino that was.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 6, 2024 18:49:31 GMT
England are even better at penalties under a Starmer government.
It’s coming home……
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 6, 2024 18:54:25 GMT
England are even better at penalties under a Starmer government. It’s coming home…… Just needs to fix the shit weather...
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 6, 2024 20:17:05 GMT
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 6, 2024 20:37:01 GMT
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Post by Gods on Jul 6, 2024 21:54:03 GMT
Must be quite a moment for the former Reigate Grammar school boy when it dawns on you that you are PM.
You have been calling everything in the country a 'shit-show' for 4 years and then it occurs to you that it is now your 'shit-show' !
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Post by elystokie on Jul 6, 2024 22:26:58 GMT
They need a hit squad of investigators to do random checks on local councils too, they hold schools to account with Ofsted, councils should be under similar scrutiny, they handle a lot of public money.
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Post by wannabee on Jul 6, 2024 23:03:10 GMT
It is encouraging that people like your post of what Labour intend to do about corruption both in and outside Public Office Although Goodall's Tweet is more than 9 months old and was in response to Rachel Reeves speech to Labour Party Conference the same day pledging to root out corruption and tax evasion The Labour Party Manifesto released just over 3 weeks ago doubled down on that commitment when it contained: Appointing a fixed-term Covid Corruption Commissioner. The manifesto says Labour will “use every means possible to recoup public money lost in pandemic-related fraud and from contracts which have not delivered”Side by side with that the recognition that it's insufficient to announce headline grabbing initiatives and surprisingly for Political Party's follow through. Labour also recognises that it must be committed to root out Tax Evasion generally by: The funding allocated to HMRC has increased to £855m, up from the £555m uplift first announced this spring. Both numbers have previously been included by the party in its statements on the policy. Labour has said this funding will enable the recruitment of 5,000 new compliance staff in the department.
These initiatives are a welcome change from the previous Government who appointed a Chancellor of the Exchequer while under investigation by HMRC for Tax Avoidance ( a body he wouldnow have control over) , in a case he belatedly settled and paid the Tax and fines of £5+M And also a "Lady" Tory Peer who is currently being under investigation with Criminal Proceedings pending for Covid Fraud in amounts up to £90M Personally I'm content if the increased spending to root out Fraud, Corruption and Evasion is cost neutral i.e. the cost to pursue malevolent individuals is equal to the amount recovered because we must reverse the cancerous culture that has pervaded during the last 14 years of Conservative Administration which has led to the General Public to conclude "There all the same" www.civilserviceworld.com/professions/article/labour-confirms-hmrc-funding-and-bordersecurity-command-in-manifesto-with-few-surprises
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Post by elystokie on Jul 7, 2024 5:36:07 GMT
It is encouraging that people like your post of what Labour intend to do about corruption both in and outside Public Office Although Goodall's Tweet is more than 9 months old and was in response to Rachel Reeves speech to Labour Party Conference the same day pledging to root out corruption and tax evasion The Labour Party Manifesto released just over 3 weeks ago doubled down on that commitment when it contained: Appointing a fixed-term Covid Corruption Commissioner. The manifesto says Labour will “use every means possible to recoup public money lost in pandemic-related fraud and from contracts which have not delivered”Side by side with that the recognition that it's insufficient to announce headline grabbing initiatives and surprisingly for Political Party's follow through. Labour also recognises that it must be committed to root out Tax Evasion generally by: The funding allocated to HMRC has increased to £855m, up from the £555m uplift first announced this spring. Both numbers have previously been included by the party in its statements on the policy. Labour has said this funding will enable the recruitment of 5,000 new compliance staff in the department.
These initiatives are a welcome change from the previous Government who appointed a Chancellor of the Exchequer while under investigation by HMRC for Tax Avoidance ( a body he wouldnow have control over) , in a case he belatedly settled and paid the Tax and fines of £5+M And also a "Lady" Tory Peer who is currently being under investigation with Criminal Proceedings pending for Covid Fraud in amounts up to £90M Personally I'm content if the increased spending to root out Fraud, Corruption and Evasion is cost neutral i.e. the cost to pursue malevolent individuals is equal to the amount recovered because we must reverse the cancerous culture that has pervaded during the last 14 years of Conservative Administration which has led to the General Public to conclude "There all the same" www.civilserviceworld.com/professions/article/labour-confirms-hmrc-funding-and-bordersecurity-command-in-manifesto-with-few-surprisesI'd put a deal out, pay back double what you stole voluntarily without investigation and you'll get a warning. For those that don't and are ultimately found guilty put them in jail and take back double anyway.
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Post by flea79 on Jul 7, 2024 7:36:30 GMT
Nope don’t get this one, can someone explain it for me please
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 7, 2024 7:44:17 GMT
The thing that the Daily Hate doesn't quite realise yet is that, apart from the headbangers who still think it was a good idea (which is a good proportion of Hate readers, but by no means all), most people in the country are probably glad that the new govt will try to have a better relationship with our closest trading partners (without rejoining) in order to grow the economy and provide the wherewithal to fund the improvements in public services we all know are needed. Ideologically sticking to a failed and damaging decision is simply stupid.
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