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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jul 5, 2024 8:32:29 GMT
They didn't cut that slack before. I thought they were going to cut waiting lists and improve the NHS. They're going to take more money to make you wait longer 🤦 As if we didn't know it, we are absolutely fucked.
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Post by tuum on Jul 5, 2024 8:34:35 GMT
Now that they are in we can only hope they will do good by the country and the people that live in it. It’s a new dawn, move Britain forward (which doesn’t involve taxing the fuck out of working people or robbing any savings they have). Good luck Starmer, you will need it. He certainly will, 14 years of mis-management in any company or institution takes some rectifying, let's hope he can manage it within the week to stem the whining a bit 😀 You are being too harsh. If we haven't slashed NHS waiting times by the end of the month then I'll be calling for his head. On a more serious note it may take 2-3 years just to turn the ship around. Where we will find the money to invest in public services is a tricky one. Labour can't spook the markets by going after the posh people too strongly. It's a delicate balancing act.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 5, 2024 8:36:22 GMT
How long do we give it until everyone realises the Labour Party is equally, if not even more incompetent than the Tories?
I'm giving it 8 months max before the chaos starts.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jul 5, 2024 8:38:14 GMT
How long do we give it until everyone realises the Labour Party is equally, if not even more incompetent than the Tories? I'm giving it 8 months max before the chaos starts. It will be less than that.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 5, 2024 8:43:08 GMT
How long do we give it until everyone realises the Labour Party is equally, if not even more incompetent than the Tories? I'm giving it 8 months max before the chaos starts. It won't be anywhere near as incompetent than the Tories, I'm not sure that's even possible. The challenge will be that if the economy stagnates or barely grows their hands are tied with regards influencing any real change, which is what the country desperately needs. But with the state of the electorate I think people will be impatient if that happens so it's imperative they hit the ground running........
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jul 5, 2024 8:47:10 GMT
How long do we give it until everyone realises the Labour Party is equally, if not even more incompetent than the Tories? I'm giving it 8 months max before the chaos starts. It won't be anywhere near as incompetent than the Tories, I'm not sure that's even possible. The challenge will be that if the economy stagnates or barely grows their hands are tied with regards influencing any real change, which is what the country desperately needs. But with the state of the electorate I think people will be impatient if that happens so it's imperative they hit the ground running........ Any shit they will blame on the Tories reign previously as the Tories did during their tenure blaming Labour for their previous mistakes. Rinse and repeat.
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Post by phileetin on Jul 5, 2024 8:55:01 GMT
maggie ?
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Post by phileetin on Jul 5, 2024 8:56:41 GMT
The result has the hallmarks of Heath's defeat in the 70s, when he went to the public on the issue of "Who rules Britain, the government or the unions?". The decision of the public was "Well not you!" Labour defeated the Tories because huge numbers of Tory voters voted for my party at the time, the Liberals. The actually number of Labour votes went down but they got into power because splitting the other parties' votes gave them an increase in MPs. This time the victory is far bigger because firstly the record of the Tories was so bad. Cameron voted with his feet and quit, losing the referendum; the Tories elected a leader who didn't believe in Brexit and procrastinated losing time, her majority, and eventually her job. Then we got Johnson and Truss, enough said. I voted for Johnson because he made it his sole primary objective to get Brexit done, but preceeded like a bull in a China shop. Sunak has steadied the boat, but the boat had too many leaks and has sunk. Secondly Labour gained in some areas and two opposition parties split the Tory vote in other areas. It is a double whammy. I wish Starmer all the best, he has a golden opportunity now to create wealth and ensure it is distributed more fairly, but he mustn't kill the goose and damage commerce and industry the way Blair and Brown did. He must keep a tight control on the budget in the mean time and not permit a massive borrowing spree like Blair and Brown did. If he approaches matters sensibly and keeps control of his own party he could be our best PM since err... maggie ?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 5, 2024 9:04:32 GMT
It won't be anywhere near as incompetent than the Tories, I'm not sure that's even possible. The challenge will be that if the economy stagnates or barely grows their hands are tied with regards influencing any real change, which is what the country desperately needs. But with the state of the electorate I think people will be impatient if that happens so it's imperative they hit the ground running........ Any shit they will blame on the Tories reign previously as the Tories did during their tenure blaming Labour for their previous mistakes. Rinse and repeat. The Tories were still blaming the last Labour government in their wash ups this morning. Starmer will use that line of course, but if the economy doesn't grow people won't buy it as it's front, back and centre of his manifesto.......
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jul 5, 2024 9:08:19 GMT
Any shit they will blame on the Tories reign previously as the Tories did during their tenure blaming Labour for their previous mistakes. Rinse and repeat. The Tories were still blaming the last Labour government in their wash ups this morning. Starmer will use that line of course, but if the economy doesn't grow people won't buy it as it's front, back and centre of his manifesto....... Oh I agree mate they are both as bad as each other for it which to me makes it more baffling that people keep voting them in. We've seen enough evidence in the past to show that neither party can run a bath let alone a country. Things could change under Starmer but I won't be holding my breath.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jul 5, 2024 10:50:45 GMT
How long do we give it until everyone realises the Labour Party is equally, if not even more incompetent than the Tories? I'm giving it 8 months max before the chaos starts. It's possible they may be equally (if not more) incompetent. I would say extremely unlikely, because the Tories set new world class standards in incompetence. But not impossible. However, what they probably won't do is attempt to knee-cap democracy, seek to undermine the independence of the judiciary, and challenge the neutrality of the civil service.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 5, 2024 10:52:25 GMT
How long do we give it until everyone realises the Labour Party is equally, if not even more incompetent than the Tories? I'm giving it 8 months max before the chaos starts. It's possible they may be equally (if not more) incompetent. I would say extremely unlikely, because the Tories set new world class standards in incompetence. But not impossible. However, what they probably won't do is attempt to knee-cap democracy, seek to undermine the independence of the judiciary, and challenge the neutrality of the civil service. The civil service are neutral 😮
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Post by flea79 on Jul 5, 2024 10:57:19 GMT
It's possible they may be equally (if not more) incompetent. I would say extremely unlikely, because the Tories set new world class standards in incompetence. But not impossible. However, what they probably won't do is attempt to knee-cap democracy, seek to undermine the independence of the judiciary, and challenge the neutrality of the civil service. The civil service are neutral 😮 red tape holds the nation together
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jul 5, 2024 11:04:18 GMT
It's possible they may be equally (if not more) incompetent. I would say extremely unlikely, because the Tories set new world class standards in incompetence. But not impossible. However, what they probably won't do is attempt to knee-cap democracy, seek to undermine the independence of the judiciary, and challenge the neutrality of the civil service. The civil service are neutral 😮 Despite what you might read/hear in the (Tory) media, yes - the civil service is indeed neutral, irrespective of the way individual officials might vote. It is fundamental to the democratic process that it is. Of course, you only have my word for that, but if you have evidence to the contrary, then I am happy to be persuaded otherwise.
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Post by Veritas on Jul 5, 2024 11:11:27 GMT
The civil service are neutral 😮 Despite what you might read/hear in the (Tory) media, yes - the civil service is indeed neutral, irrespective of the way individual officials might vote. It is fundamental to the democratic process that it is. Of course, you only have my word for that, but if you have evidence to the contrary, then I am happy to be persuaded otherwise. What it's not a Marxist cell!
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jul 5, 2024 11:36:30 GMT
Despite what you might read/hear in the (Tory) media, yes - the civil service is indeed neutral, irrespective of the way individual officials might vote. It is fundamental to the democratic process that it is. Of course, you only have my word for that, but if you have evidence to the contrary, then I am happy to be persuaded otherwise. What it's not a Marxist cell! Well, obviously it is. But let's keep it to ourselves!
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Post by phileetin on Jul 5, 2024 11:41:36 GMT
i wonder how many small boats will arrive today ?
Will SIR kier send a ferry to calais now that he has the reins to help them across ?
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Post by knype on Jul 5, 2024 12:01:11 GMT
Starmer will be the weakest PM ever.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 5, 2024 12:03:57 GMT
Starmer will be the weakest PM ever. Worse than Truss? You are funny 🤣😂
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 5, 2024 12:05:41 GMT
Starmer will be the weakest PM ever. Worse than Truss? You are funny 🤣😂 Truss wasn’t weak she was mad
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 5, 2024 12:06:43 GMT
Worse than Truss? You are funny 🤣😂 Truss wasn’t weak she was mad Don't know about you, but I'd describe madness as a weakness for a Prime Minister 🤣
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 5, 2024 12:07:59 GMT
I hope he doesn't hide his wife away too 😍
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 5, 2024 12:08:14 GMT
Well Im just waiting for the first corruption allegation, sexual misconduct leak, the first dodgy company tax dodge and its fuckin gloves off !! Dirty whining bolshy begging socialists ! Vote Green !
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Post by elystokie on Jul 5, 2024 12:08:42 GMT
Despite what you might read/hear in the (Tory) media, yes - the civil service is indeed neutral, irrespective of the way individual officials might vote. It is fundamental to the democratic process that it is. Of course, you only have my word for that, but if you have evidence to the contrary, then I am happy to be persuaded otherwise. What it's not a Marxist cell! The upper management in the bit I worked in for a short time had a very 'healthy' Freemason contingent, is that the same thing
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 5, 2024 12:09:33 GMT
I hope he doesn't hide his wife away too 😍 You noticed that too heh.... I'm sat on the sofa thinking "Mmmmmmmmmm...."
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Post by knype on Jul 5, 2024 12:27:57 GMT
Starmer will be the weakest PM ever. Worse than Truss? You are funny 🤣😂 Yes, wait and see.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 5, 2024 12:31:05 GMT
Worse than Truss? You are funny 🤣😂 Yes, wait and see. Ok. You can come back and gloat in less than 45 days' time when he's been removed as PM for being so shit. You won't 🤣
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Post by knype on Jul 5, 2024 12:45:36 GMT
Ok. You can come back and gloat in less than 45 days' time when he's been removed as PM for being so shit. You won't 🤣 I'll be back. He's fucking useless. Now he's got to make a decision and not sit on the fence. He's weak and Labour know it
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 5, 2024 13:16:50 GMT
Ok. You can come back and gloat in less than 45 days' time when he's been removed as PM for being so shit. You won't 🤣 I'll be back. He's fucking useless. Now he's got to make a decision and not sit on the fence. He's weak and Labour know it 🤣 you won't be back in 45 days to gloat about his removal in a shorter time than Truss had as PM, that's for sure! Therefore, he's not going to be worse than Truss. You do make me laugh, knype!
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Post by salopstick on Jul 5, 2024 13:31:38 GMT
His Mrs could have it
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