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Post by salopstick on Jul 5, 2024 4:53:33 GMT
Labours vote went down in Wales, same in England and up in Scotland.
My point is they have a mandate but can’t be too smug about it
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 5, 2024 5:39:32 GMT
Gonna destroy us. God help us. Thank fuck I'm an old bugger. We are in for a bleak bleak future. There you go. Happy now? 😂
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 5, 2024 5:45:34 GMT
The new Labour government has to be the party of the whole country. They have got in more to dissatisfaction from the tories than their own merits. They have to now do better. “So far, the Conservatives have lost 173 seats. In 124 of these, the Reform vote was greater than the margin of the Conservatives' defeat. Of these seats, 99 were won by Labour, 19 by the Lib Dems, two by nationalists, and four by Reform themselves. Of course, not everybody who voted Reform would have otherwise voted Conservative, but they most certainly voted Conservative in 2019. These statistics underline the extent to which the heavy loss of Conservative votes to Reform has cost Sunak's party dear.” Spot on. Reform were king makers up and down the country. Yep, two parties on the right to vote for now. For the time being at least. Still think the Tories will move to swallow up Reform. They'll be desperate to avoid what non-Tories have had to put up with for decades: a multiplicity of choices. Something that has no doubt helped the Tories enjoy electoral success over the decades. Given that power is the only thing that matters for Tories, getting rid of Reform will be a priority. I wonder how they'll go about it.
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Post by tuum on Jul 5, 2024 5:46:20 GMT
Labours vote went down in Wales, same in England and up in Scotland. My point is they have a mandate but can’t be too smug about it Labour have a great opportunity to make some big changes but if they get it wrong they will know about it pretty soon. The country is ripe for revolution.
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Post by knype on Jul 5, 2024 5:48:03 GMT
Sir Kier officially elected. I really hope he shows the integrity that has been missing from British Politics and the front benches for so long. Do I trust him - no, but thank the lord those pilfering, pillaging cunts are out of power. Good luck Sir Kier. Integrity? Yeah right... They all pilfer and are in it for their own needs and ends
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 5, 2024 5:48:34 GMT
It’s going to be an interesting few years ahead. Big responsibly for Sir Kier. With all that’s going on in the world he needs to be a strong leader and more decisive than he’s been so far. Let’s hope we’ve backed the right horse and he supports the working man / woman and looks after them. I only hope that now he’s in he’s less concerned about upsetting the public and becomes more decisive with the 5 years he’s bought to prove himself. He’s earnt his chance though and can’t be any worse than the shower that have just been jettisoned. In relation to Sunak. I feel a bit sorry for him as non of the mess that the Tories are in is down to him it’s predominantly the work of Boris Johnson and Liz Truss. He comes down as a decent man and far more honourable than those 2 jokers. This thread will be an interesting one as there’ll be a lot of role reversals with those previously on the attack being on the defence and visa versa. It’s certainly a lot easier to be on the offensive than the defensive so I can see there being fun times ahead especially around tax. I just hope that 5 years down the line it’s a better and safer U.K. and that people / Labour aren’t still blaming the Tories for the mess but praising Labour for the great job they’re doing. That will be a true picture of success. Good luck Kier prove to us how honest and honourable you are and get the big decisions right. Oh and my doggy only got one vote
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Post by henry on Jul 5, 2024 6:00:36 GMT
Now that they are in we can only hope they will do good by the country and the people that live in it. It’s a new dawn, move Britain forward (which doesn’t involve taxing the fuck out of working people or robbing any savings they have). Good luck Starmer, you will need it.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jul 5, 2024 6:01:20 GMT
What have they done wrong already?
Good to see nobody is prejudging this Labour government and giving them a fair chance to prove themselves…..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2024 6:07:06 GMT
This is very harsh. They've won the "at least we're not Tory" election with style, and ease.
Give them the chance to slit their own throats at least...
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Post by elystokie on Jul 5, 2024 6:12:26 GMT
Now that they are in we can only hope they will do good by the country and the people that live in it. It’s a new dawn, move Britain forward (which doesn’t involve taxing the fuck out of working people or robbing any savings they have). Good luck Starmer, you will need it. He certainly will, 14 years of mis-management in any company or institution takes some rectifying, let's hope he can manage it within the week to stem the whining a bit 😀
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jul 5, 2024 6:14:46 GMT
They didn't cut that slack before. I thought they were going to cut waiting lists and improve the NHS. They're going to take more money to make you wait longer 🤦
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Post by knype on Jul 5, 2024 6:29:46 GMT
They didn't cut that slack before. I thought they were going to cut waiting lists and improve the NHS. They're going to take more money to make you wait longer 🤦 Wow, here is the new Labour, the party of change
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 5, 2024 6:30:05 GMT
What have they done wrong already? Good to see nobody is prejudging this Labour government and giving them a fair chance to prove themselves….. That’s how it should be. Not being an expert on politics what will be their first big test? Also when will the cabinet be named?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 5, 2024 6:35:20 GMT
They didn't cut that slack before. I thought they were going to cut waiting lists and improve the NHS. They're going to take more money to make you wait longer 🤦 Wow, here is the new Labour, the party of change I’m sure that having to wait a week longer might be a problem if you’re in a lot of pain. Let’s hope that if she ever has to wait a “week longer” that someone can ask her the question then. Let’s hope her comments aren’t supported by the new PM or we’re in for a rocky ride.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 5, 2024 6:38:00 GMT
This Labour government has been in power for about 14 minutes and are already doing a better job.
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Post by flea79 on Jul 5, 2024 6:41:22 GMT
Illegal war planned for this afternoon followed by selling off North Sea oil and our dwindling gold reserves
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Jul 5, 2024 6:43:11 GMT
Gonna destroy us. God help us. Thank fuck I'm an old bugger. We are in for a bleak bleak future. There you go. Happy now? 😂 Happy as fuck...Thanks for your concern
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 5, 2024 6:48:03 GMT
Illegal war planned for this afternoon followed by selling off North Sea oil and our dwindling gold reserves It’d be worse under the tories etc
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 5, 2024 6:51:43 GMT
Now that they are in we can only hope they will do good by the country and the people that live in it. It’s a new dawn, move Britain forward (which doesn’t involve taxing the fuck out of working people or robbing any savings they have). Good luck Starmer, you will need it. He certainly will, 14 years of mis-management in any company or institution takes some rectifying, let's hope he can manage it within the week to stem the whining a bit 😀 If Stoke aren't, at the very least, in the playoffs this season they've failed! 😅
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Jul 5, 2024 6:52:34 GMT
This is very harsh. They've won the "at least we're not Tory" election with style, and ease. Give them the chance to slit their own throats at least... Spot on. The last election was about Brexit, where it was very much a " borrowed" vote that saw The Tories gain seats in Labour strongholds. Now that the Brexit factor has gone traditional Labour voters have gone back to their original voting style. This coupled with:- Tory Sleaze and Lies ( Boris ) Utter incompetence ( Truss) Global factors crashing the economy ( Covid & Ukraine ) Rise of Reform. Voter apathy. Sunak didn't stand a cat in hell's chance of winning. In fact he was even nervous about keeping his seat, I bet a part of him wishes he hadn't... I'm glad the likes of Mogg, Shapps & Truss have all lost their seats, and I hope now the Tories can lick their wounds, appoint a good leader, do their very best to keep Labour in check and somehow bounce back. There is no way they will win the next election, but hopefully history will repeat itself and they will dent the huge majority ( they did against Blair ) and focus on the medium to long term aims of getting back into power, I hope in my lifetime, though I'm getting on a bit now so it's 50/50 on both counts.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 5, 2024 6:53:14 GMT
Illegal war planned for this afternoon followed by selling off North Sea oil and our dwindling gold reserves It’d be worse under the tories etc Which would obviously be an outrageous statement given the evidence of the last 14 years.. 😀
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Post by elystokie on Jul 5, 2024 6:56:44 GMT
He certainly will, 14 years of mis-management in any company or institution takes some rectifying, let's hope he can manage it within the week to stem the whining a bit 😀 If Stoke aren't, at the very least, in the playoffs this season they've failed! 😅 We'll piss this tinpot league 😀 I've had us in a double with England 🤦
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Post by Davef on Jul 5, 2024 7:09:07 GMT
Thank fuck I'm an old bugger. You post like a six year old.
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Jul 5, 2024 7:13:20 GMT
Thank fuck I'm an old bugger. You post like a six year old. No I don't. And my Dad is bigger than yours, smelly pants.
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Post by professorplump on Jul 5, 2024 7:18:15 GMT
I can't get my head around how Labour can have such a big majority with just 35% of the vote. Starmer keeps talking about how he's changed the party but he got a smaller vote share than Corbyn.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Jul 5, 2024 7:44:45 GMT
Labours vote went down in Wales, same in England and up in Scotland. My point is they have a mandate but can’t be too smug about it After train services cutting (u turn) and the 20mph debacle (u turn) here in Wales my Welsh work colleagues are less than enamoured (putting it mildly) with Labour.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 5, 2024 7:45:58 GMT
I can't get my head around how Labour can have such a big majority with just 35% of the vote. Starmer keeps talking about how he's changed the party but he got a smaller vote share than Corbyn. Reform
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 5, 2024 7:48:11 GMT
Wonder if he will see 2 full terms, or step down or even get removed midway thru term 2. Obv winning today, 4 or 5 years of blaming the Tories for everything win again, but cant see him staying full 8 or 10. Just hope that awful cow Rayner never becomes PM. Could you explain your hate for Angela Rayner? Do you have any examples of awful things she has done or said?
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Post by knype on Jul 5, 2024 8:21:56 GMT
He certainly will, 14 years of mis-management in any company or institution takes some rectifying, let's hope he can manage it within the week to stem the whining a bit 😀 If Stoke aren't, at the very least, in the playoffs this season they've failed! 😅
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 5, 2024 8:31:53 GMT
The result has the hallmarks of Heath's defeat in the 70s, when he went to the public on the issue of "Who rules Britain, the government or the unions?". The decision of the public was "Well not you!" Labour defeated the Tories because huge numbers of Tory voters voted for my party at the time, the Liberals. The actually number of Labour votes went down but they got into power because splitting the other parties' votes gave them an increase in MPs. This time the victory is far bigger because firstly the record of the Tories was so bad. Cameron voted with his feet and quit, losing the referendum; the Tories elected a leader who didn't believe in Brexit and procrastinated losing time, her majority, and eventually her job. Then we got Johnson and Truss, enough said. I voted for Johnson because he made it his sole primary objective to get Brexit done, but preceeded like a bull in a China shop. Sunak has steadied the boat, but the boat had too many leaks and has sunk. Secondly Labour gained in some areas and two opposition parties split the Tory vote in other areas. It is a double whammy. I wish Starmer all the best, he has a golden opportunity now to create wealth and ensure it is distributed more fairly, but he mustn't kill the goose and damage commerce and industry the way Blair and Brown did. He must keep a tight control on the budget in the mean time and not permit a massive borrowing spree like Blair and Brown did. If he approaches matters sensibly and keeps control of his own party he could be our best PM since err...
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