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Post by prestwichpotter on May 31, 2024 11:08:35 GMT
I'm beginning to wonder if Labour are gonna fuck it up and lose the election, slight swing in polls suggest it's not as cut and dry as it was a month ago, let's hope I'm right eh Huddy. I'm so glad the good people at publications such as this are driving the narrative in the lead up to the erm, UK election. Peter Oborne?
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 31, 2024 11:10:36 GMT
See his response to Adri’s post. To me, he is supporting Adri’s assertion that Jews have too much influence on our politics. I disagree and have asked for specific examples and his response was to say shame on me for weaponising antisemitism. My wording was poor. I was more asking why the UK government seems to have a default position of supporting every Israeli policy when it makes little sense to do so politically at home (few votes to be won). Any dissenters to this supportive narrative are immediately shut down and demonised as nut jobs/anti semites. Which is fair enough, my reply at the time was to highlight the dangers of conflating British Jews with the state of Israel, you've clarified what you meant and we move on......
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Post by mrnovember on May 31, 2024 11:10:59 GMT
I'm so glad the good people at publications such as this are driving the narrative in the lead up to the erm, UK election. Peter Oborne? Anyone attempting to make this the central issue.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 31, 2024 11:17:00 GMT
An agenda? Elaborate on this agenda please Oggy. Adri2008 made a post about Israels influence on UK politics - which you replied to saying they only have an influence over the Israel Palestine conflict. I responded asking if you've watched The Labour Files which is an excellent documentary produced by Al Jazeera. The documentary demonstrates the influence which individuals connected to Israel had over our last two elections. You've responded to that with a load of libel and typical antisemitic weaponization: - "I don't follow why our tory government.... has been dictated by jews" - "You sound like the nutters who complain about global jewish conspiracy" - "Labour policy isn't dictated by jews" - "What have you got against jews?" - "You seem to have an agenda" FUCKING SHAME ON YOU OGGY. DISGUSTING WEAPONISATION OF ANTISEMITSM. Keep living in your bubble. Name a specific policy pushed for by Jews. If they are the puppet masters of British politics as you seem to think, there should be plenty? I wonder what you would say if a news organisation funded by the Israeli government produced loads of broadcasts accusing Muslims of what Al Jazeera has done with Jews. I bet you wouldn’t assume it was gospel. Your agenda is you hate Israel and as your latest posts show this is infecting your view of Jews as an entire population and their supposed influence on British politics. Hence why I am asking you to be specific about the policies Jews are forcing through our politicians and government. To me, you sound the equivalent of Tommy Robinson’s rants about Muslims. And you're starting to sound like Luke Akehurst mate, which surprises me somewhat.
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Post by gawa on May 31, 2024 11:43:25 GMT
No Oggy, what you actually said was: - "I don't follow why our tory government.... has been dictated by jews" - "You sound like the nutters who complain about global jewish conspiracy" - "Labour policy isn't dictated by jews" - "What have you got against jews?" - "You seem to have an agenda" You keep conflating Israel with jewish. I did not mention jewish people anywhere but then you went on a tirade accusing me of saying the government is dictated by jews. That I'm a nutter with a conspiracy about jews. That I implied labour policy is dictated by jews. That I HAVE SOMETHING AGAINST JEWS. And that I have an agenda. Don't rewrite history or paraphrase to remove what you accused me of. And I will reply to your other post when I have time. You were responding to Adri’s comment about the Jewish UK population having huge sway on our politics. I don’t think that is Israel. I don’t think that is the case and you still can’t name specific examples of it. If we are talking about Adri's comment. Lets look at the post from Prestwich directly after which I liked yesterday: Without going down Conspiracy rabbit holes, it's bizarre how Israel seems to get such unequivocal support from our government regardless of its make up. The Jewish population of the UK is tiny so why does it appear to hold such sway over decision making. I would be really careful in conflating British Jews with the actions of Israel.Luke Akehurst for example is not Jewish, he's a proud Zionist and a paid member of "We Believe in Israel" I agree with you that the state of Israel has a really unhealthy interference in our democracy, but I know many British Jews who want nothing to do with Israel and it holds no significance to them..... Let's also look at what I responded to you as well. Using the actual quote, not the one you manipulated and changed the wording of omitting the word Israel. Why would you even do that? I don’t think Israel or British Jews have much sway over decision making by our government at all. Over the very narrow issue of the Israel and Palestine conflict the state of Israel does influence policy. But over what other issues does it influence our policies? NHS? Education? Taxation? Housing? Brexit? Uhm have you watched the Labour files? They pretty much ran a smear campaign filled with lies and fiction against the last Labour leader. That affects everything from NHS through to housing. Maybe you should take the time to watch the Labour files. Have you bothered to watch the Labour files yet Oggy? I presume not. Had you bothered to watch it or do any research or read up on what the Labour files is about then you'd know it's about Israel lobbyists influencing uk politics. Here's an article here describing some of the actions - electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/new-bombshell-film-exposes-israel-lobby-role-uk-labour-partyLuke Akehurst isn't even Jewish either. Lets make that clear too. Maybe actually read or listen to what I'm talking about rather than pleading ignorance and then trying to weaponize antisemitism and conflate what I'm saying to try and smear me. And for the record as well. I've been very vocal about the treatment of british jews under Keir Starmer in the labour party and have raised the issue many times on here. Record numbers of them removed from the party under his leadership.
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Post by gawa on May 31, 2024 12:05:17 GMT
An agenda? Elaborate on this agenda please Oggy. Adri2008 made a post about Israels influence on UK politics - which you replied to saying they only have an influence over the Israel Palestine conflict. I responded asking if you've watched The Labour Files which is an excellent documentary produced by Al Jazeera. The documentary demonstrates the influence which individuals connected to Israel had over our last two elections. You've responded to that with a load of libel and typical antisemitic weaponization: - "I don't follow why our tory government.... has been dictated by jews" - "You sound like the nutters who complain about global jewish conspiracy" - "Labour policy isn't dictated by jews" - "What have you got against jews?" - "You seem to have an agenda" FUCKING SHAME ON YOU OGGY. DISGUSTING WEAPONISATION OF ANTISEMITSM. Keep living in your bubble. Name a specific policy pushed for by Jews. If they are the puppet masters of British politics as you seem to think, there should be plenty? I wonder what you would say if a news organisation funded by the Israeli government produced loads of broadcasts accusing Muslims of what Al Jazeera has done with Jews. I bet you wouldn’t assume it was gospel. Your agenda is you hate Israel and as your latest posts show this is infecting your view of Jews as an entire population and their supposed influence on British politics. Hence why I am asking you to be specific about the policies Jews are forcing through our politicians and government. To me, you sound the equivalent of Tommy Robinson’s rants about Muslims. Where have I said british jews are puppet masters? Another antisemitic trope Oggy and you rewriting what I said to try and attack me. Disgusting. What are you on about now? Are you implying that the Al Jeezera documentary on The Labour Files was produced by Muslims to attack jewish people? Like seriously? How do you know which religion the producers of the documentary were? This is brand new to me that Peter Oborne & Richard Sanders are muslim. Care to share your source for this oggy? Which posts am I infecting my view that Jews as an entire population influence british politics? WHERE? It's funny you compare me to Tommy Robinson when you've just implied everyone involved in a documentary produced by Al Jeezera are muslims and they are only doing it to attack jews. That sounds like something straight out of Tommy Robinsons scripture. And you're the person saying it. As for policies influenced by the Israel lobby. Policy is produced by politicians, if you try to influence the position of politicians then you're also indirectly influencing policy. Here is a clip from the former Chair of Labour Friends of Israel. That clip is actually from a different documentary called "The Lobby" which I've not yet watched myself however will probably give you a better idea on the answer to your questions. Unfortunately you probably won't watch that though because anything with Al Jeezera's name on it is apparently produced by muslims to attack jews.... And I'm allegedly the person that has an issue with a relgion. Alright. No problem.
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Post by wannabee on May 31, 2024 12:30:27 GMT
Ken Loach is an outstanding character who has an independent platform so must be silenced I see you're back to quoting Blair's 1997 Manifesto What did you mean by "the sharing of a platform with Ken Loach was a thundering disgrace." I didn't, I said the interchange between Driscoll and Akehurst which was provoked by Driscoll sharing a platform with Ken Loach was a thundering disgrace Two lines up in the short post I had called Akehurst "a piece of shit" so it should have been obvious what I was saying
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2024 12:37:09 GMT
See his response to Adri’s post. To me, he is supporting Adri’s assertion that Jews have too much influence on our politics. I disagree and have asked for specific examples and his response was to say shame on me for weaponising antisemitism. My wording was poor. I was more asking why the UK government seems to have a default position of supporting every Israeli policy when it makes little sense to do so politically at home (few votes to be won). Any dissenters to this supportive narrative are immediately shut down and demonised as nut jobs/anti semites. Mate don't apologise, your wording wasn't poor at all. Oggy misinterpreted your post and you immediately responded by correcting him on what you actually were talking about, you couldn't have been more clear. Oggy has then continued use HIS misinterpretation of your post in some strange attack on gawa.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 31, 2024 12:44:43 GMT
You will have to quote me. Don't pretend you don't know what you've done. I stand by my comment that I don’t think British Jews have a huge sway over British politics. I know saying anything that can be seen as in any way remotely defensive of Israel is hated by many on here, regardless of what is being said (even calling for the release of Israeli hostages). I now know that applies to British Jews. So sad.
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Post by gawa on May 31, 2024 12:45:40 GMT
What I will say though for free Oggy - which you're entitled to interpret how you like. I think zionists have a big influence over western politics at the moment. But zionist does not equate to all Jews (many non Jewish zionists and non zionist jews) and does not equate to all Israelis either.
I don't believe you're islamaphobic either but the comments about the Al Jeezera documentary being produced by Muslims to attack Jews could very well be interpreted as islamaphobia. I think it was just ignorance on your part.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 31, 2024 12:47:02 GMT
Name a specific policy pushed for by Jews. If they are the puppet masters of British politics as you seem to think, there should be plenty? I wonder what you would say if a news organisation funded by the Israeli government produced loads of broadcasts accusing Muslims of what Al Jazeera has done with Jews. I bet you wouldn’t assume it was gospel. Your agenda is you hate Israel and as your latest posts show this is infecting your view of Jews as an entire population and their supposed influence on British politics. Hence why I am asking you to be specific about the policies Jews are forcing through our politicians and government. To me, you sound the equivalent of Tommy Robinson’s rants about Muslims. And you're starting to sound like Luke Akehurst mate, which surprises me somewhat. Name a government policy heavily influenced by British jews then? I stand by my comments wholeheartedly and am attacked for it. The question is why?
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2024 12:49:41 GMT
Don't pretend you don't know what you've done. I stand by my comment that I don’t think British Jews have a huge sway over British politics. I know saying anything that can be seen as in any way remotely defensive of Israel is hated by many on here, regardless of what is being said (even calling for the release of Israeli hostages). I now know that applies to British Jews. So sad. You're arguing with yourself Oggy, how many times do you have to be told that you're presenting one big strawman, it's an argument that no one has presented. I'm surprised you've got the gall to continue after your despicable behaviour towards gawa, where you deliberately missed out the word Israel in an disgusting attempt to smear him. Shameful.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 31, 2024 12:54:53 GMT
Don't pretend you don't know what you've done. I stand by my comment that I don’t think British Jews have a huge sway over British politics. I know saying anything that can be seen as in any way remotely defensive of Israel is hated by many on here, regardless of what is being said (even calling for the release of Israeli hostages). I now know that applies to British Jews. So sad. Have a go at watching "The big Lie" Oggy, it's now on YouTube. Perfectly explains how Zionists weaponised anti-semitism.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 31, 2024 12:57:54 GMT
Name a specific policy pushed for by Jews. If they are the puppet masters of British politics as you seem to think, there should be plenty? I wonder what you would say if a news organisation funded by the Israeli government produced loads of broadcasts accusing Muslims of what Al Jazeera has done with Jews. I bet you wouldn’t assume it was gospel. Your agenda is you hate Israel and as your latest posts show this is infecting your view of Jews as an entire population and their supposed influence on British politics. Hence why I am asking you to be specific about the policies Jews are forcing through our politicians and government. To me, you sound the equivalent of Tommy Robinson’s rants about Muslims. Where have I said british jews are puppet masters? Another antisemitic trope Oggy and you rewriting what I said to try and attack me. Disgusting. What are you on about now? Are you implying that the Al Jeezera documentary on The Labour Files was produced by Muslims to attack jewish people? Like seriously? How do you know which religion the producers of the documentary were? This is brand new to me that Peter Oborne & Richard Sanders are muslim. Care to share your source for this oggy? Which posts am I infecting my view that Jews as an entire population influence british politics? WHERE? It's funny you compare me to Tommy Robinson when you've just implied everyone involved in a documentary produced by Al Jeezera are muslims and they are only doing it to attack jews. That sounds like something straight out of Tommy Robinsons scripture. And you're the person saying it. As for policies influenced by the Israel lobby. Policy is produced by politicians, if you try to influence the position of politicians then you're also indirectly influencing policy. Here is a clip from the former Chair of Labour Friends of Israel. That clip is actually from a different documentary called "The Lobby" which I've not yet watched myself however will probably give you a better idea on the answer to your questions. Unfortunately you probably won't watch that though because anything with Al Jeezera's name on it is apparently produced by muslims to attack jews.... And I'm allegedly the person that has an issue with a relgion. Alright. No problem. You seem to think Jews/Israel overly influence policy in this country. I disagree. I asked you to name some examples. You couldn’t and can’t and then say I am weaponising anti semitism! You can’t back up your point of view with examples and have become abusive.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 31, 2024 13:02:57 GMT
I stand by my comment that I don’t think British Jews have a huge sway over British politics. I know saying anything that can be seen as in any way remotely defensive of Israel is hated by many on here, regardless of what is being said (even calling for the release of Israeli hostages). I now know that applies to British Jews. So sad. You're arguing with yourself Oggy, how many times do you have to be told that you're presenting one big strawman, it's an argument that no one has presented. I'm surprised you've got the gall to continue after your despicable behaviour towards gawa, where you deliberately missed out the word Israel in an disgusting attempt to smear him. Shameful. If directly quoting what Adri said and disagreeing with it is a straw man’s argument then yes I am. You just cannot stand for anyone ever saying something other than negative about Israel and now you are attacking me for saying british jews don’t have huge swaths of influence over British politics. Argue the point if you think i am wrong, and stop being personally abusive.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 31, 2024 13:14:54 GMT
You're arguing with yourself Oggy, how many times do you have to be told that you're presenting one big strawman, it's an argument that no one has presented. I'm surprised you've got the gall to continue after your despicable behaviour towards gawa, where you deliberately missed out the word Israel in an disgusting attempt to smear him. Shameful. If directly quoting what Adri said and disagreeing with it is a straw man’s argument then yes I am. You just cannot stand for anyone ever saying something other than negative about Israel and now you are attacking me for saying british jews don’t have huge swaths of influence over British politics. Argue the point if you think i am wrong, and stop being personally abusive. You've essentially accused someone of being an anti-Semite with no evidence to back it up, and now you're doubling down. You keep asking a question about British Jews regarding a specific point that no one has even raised other than adri2008 who has clarified that his original post was clumsily worded and what he actually meant. Poor form........
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2024 13:21:24 GMT
You're arguing with yourself Oggy, how many times do you have to be told that you're presenting one big strawman, it's an argument that no one has presented. I'm surprised you've got the gall to continue after your despicable behaviour towards gawa, where you deliberately missed out the word Israel in an disgusting attempt to smear him. Shameful. If directly quoting what Adri said and disagreeing with it is a straw man’s argument then yes I am. You just cannot stand for anyone ever saying something other than negative about Israel and now you are attacking me for saying british jews don’t have huge swaths of influence over British politics. Argue the point if you think i am wrong, and stop being personally abusive. You misunderstood Adri's post and he clearly corrected you on what he meant, so your apparent 'disagreement' with his argument is completely and utterly bogus. It's pathetic. It's something you've made up, a strawman. Am I bollocks attacking you for that. YOU are the ONLY one to have suggested that 'British Jews have huge swathes of influence over British politics'. Just YOU. Argue what point? The point that you've fabricated and which nobody else has made? I'm having a pop at you because you are putting words into other people's mouths in an attempt to smear people and deliberately omitting key words (Israel) to suggest gawa said something that he didn't. It's shameful.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2024 13:26:32 GMT
If directly quoting what Adri said and disagreeing with it is a straw man’s argument then yes I am. You just cannot stand for anyone ever saying something other than negative about Israel and now you are attacking me for saying british jews don’t have huge swaths of influence over British politics. Argue the point if you think i am wrong, and stop being personally abusive. You've essentially accused someone of being an anti-Semite with no evidence to back it up, and now you're doubling down. You keep asking a question about British Jews regarding a specific point that no one has even raised other than adri2008 who has clarified that his original post was clumsily worded and what he actually meant. Poor form........ I don't think it was even particularly clumsily worded ... Without going down Conspiracy rabbit holes, it's bizarre how Israel seems to get such unequivocal support from our government regardless of its make up. The Jewish population of the UK is tiny so why does it appear to hold such sway over decision making. I don’t think Israel or British Jews have much sway over decision making by our government at all. Over the very narrow issue of the Israel and Palestine conflict the state of Israel does influence policy. But over what other issues does it influence our policies? NHS? Education? Taxation? Housing? Brexit? I don’t think Israel or British Jews have much sway over decision making by our government at all. Over the very narrow issue of the Israel and Palestine conflict the state of Israel does influence policy. But over what other issues does it influence our policies? NHS? Education? Taxation? Housing? Brexit? I don't mean day to day running of the country - more that criticism of Israel (and broadly anything Jewish related) seems to be an absolute taboo and a crackdown ensues immediately. Why is the default government position supportive regardless of what's occurred? - it's literally a free pass to do whatever.
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Post by gawa on May 31, 2024 13:49:00 GMT
Where have I said british jews are puppet masters? Another antisemitic trope Oggy and you rewriting what I said to try and attack me. Disgusting. What are you on about now? Are you implying that the Al Jeezera documentary on The Labour Files was produced by Muslims to attack jewish people? Like seriously? How do you know which religion the producers of the documentary were? This is brand new to me that Peter Oborne & Richard Sanders are muslim. Care to share your source for this oggy? Which posts am I infecting my view that Jews as an entire population influence british politics? WHERE? It's funny you compare me to Tommy Robinson when you've just implied everyone involved in a documentary produced by Al Jeezera are muslims and they are only doing it to attack jews. That sounds like something straight out of Tommy Robinsons scripture. And you're the person saying it. As for policies influenced by the Israel lobby. Policy is produced by politicians, if you try to influence the position of politicians then you're also indirectly influencing policy. Here is a clip from the former Chair of Labour Friends of Israel. That clip is actually from a different documentary called "The Lobby" which I've not yet watched myself however will probably give you a better idea on the answer to your questions. Unfortunately you probably won't watch that though because anything with Al Jeezera's name on it is apparently produced by muslims to attack jews.... And I'm allegedly the person that has an issue with a relgion. Alright. No problem. You seem to think Jews/Israel overly influence policy in this country. I disagree. I asked you to name some examples. You couldn’t and can’t and then say I am weaponising anti semitism! You can’t back up your point of view with examples and have become abusive. No. You're being obtuse. You know very well how policy and bills are voted on within this country. You appear to think by focusing on "Which specific policy" that there is no influence which is completely absurd. I've given you two documentaries which discuss the influence but you refuse to watch them. Instead you claim that they're produced by Muslim's to attack jews. Here are questions asked by the JEWISH Anti-Zionist network on the foreign affairs select committee in the house of commons. Have a read at their questions (actual Jewish people) on Israel's influence on British politics - committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/79711/pdf/Or here is an article from Alan Duncan, an MP of 27 years talking about it - electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/high-level-israel-lobby-interference-british-politics-says-ex-ministerHaving read some of your subsequent posts since this it appears you're the person with the issue here. Whether it be the Islamophobic comments about Muslims, the weaponization of antisemitism to smear people or your complete ignorance and refusal to read or watch any of the content provided to you because in your eyes unless we have 300 zionists who voted for a policy then zionists can have no influence. You're meant to be a lawyer and educated but it seems you want to just make arguments on blissful ignorance or by manipulating what others have said to try and smear them. And given you've proven you're more than adept in the past to do your own research and reading on topics and then make informed opinions - this seems very out of character for you. Why do you refuse to actually educate yourself on the subject and instead attack the documentaries as being Muslim propaganda (you didn't say the word propaganda but I feel that is what you implied). I just feel like you're behaving incredibly intransigente on the subject with your obstinate refusual to consider any evidence or sources presented to you and instead channeling your focus on attacking the character of the people rather than the content of their arguments. If you don't agree with what's in the documentaries then provide some gusto an arguments against the points they raise. Simply saying "Oh they're all muslims just attacking jews" isn't a coherent argument. And given it is out of character for you, I can only think your refusal to acknowledge or listen to evidence is because you know you can't argue against it. So muddling the waters and smearing others is what you'd rather do than face the reality.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 31, 2024 13:49:12 GMT
Back to policy, is anyone else confused by what the Labour GB Energy proposal is? I'm sure there's smarter people than me on here that can explain but am I right in saying it's an "investment vehicle" for the private sector with no physical assests?
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Post by gawa on May 31, 2024 13:52:25 GMT
Back to policy, is anyone else confused by what the Labour GB Energy proposal is? I'm sure there's smarter people than me on here that can explain but am I right in saying it's an "investment vehicle" for the private sector with no physical assests? I think wannabee provided a bit of an explanation a number of pages back as someone was asking about it. He has a much better understanding of it than myself anyway.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 31, 2024 13:56:41 GMT
Back to policy, is anyone else confused by what the Labour GB Energy proposal is? I'm sure there's smarter people than me on here that can explain but am I right in saying it's an "investment vehicle" for the private sector with no physical assests? I understand that is correct yes, think some people were initially mistaken when they thought it was going to be an actual energy company/provider.
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Post by gawa on May 31, 2024 14:12:17 GMT
From a labour NEC member
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2024 15:02:14 GMT
Absolutely frightening ...
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2024 15:07:25 GMT
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t 😂
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Post by gawa on May 31, 2024 16:04:20 GMT
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t 😂 In which way? Quick timeline: - Diane gets suspended. - Diane issues apology - Diane gets told there's an independant investigation ongoing. - Diane sees other members suspended after her, get reinstated before her. - In December the investigation concludes. Diane can come back if she completes an antisemitism course. - Diane completes course in February. - Starmer gets asked in Feb about Diane. "It's an ongoing independant investigation." - Starmer gets asked in March about Diane. "It's an ongoing independant investigation." - Starmer gets asked in April about Diane. "It's an ongoing independant investigation." - Starmer gets asked in May about Diane. "It's an ongoing independant investigation." - A few nights ago Newsnight REVEAL that the investigation was completed in December and there is no ongoing investigation. - The next morning the whip was restored. - Why? Why do you think.... - The following days there is outrage about the treatment of Diane and that Starmer lied for months and kept her thinking the investigation wasn't concluded when it was. He just didn't want to restore the whip. Until he was caught out. - The outrage continues. More candidates being removed from standing for trivial reasons. - Starmer and Co. concede to restore Diane due to the backlash and how that may impact their vote count. There's no damned if you do damned if you don't about. There's no "Oh well I know he's lied for months on end and kept this woman senselessly on the sidelines while she faced racism and death threats despite the investigation being completed months earlier. But it's ok now because when he was found out for being the liar he is and received terrible backlash he pondered for a few days and did the only possible thing he could do to save face for the party." Shit like this needs called out for what it is in my opinion.
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Post by wannabee on May 31, 2024 16:39:32 GMT
Back to policy, is anyone else confused by what the Labour GB Energy proposal is? I'm sure there's smarter people than me on here that can explain but am I right in saying it's an "investment vehicle" for the private sector with no physical assests? I doubt I'm smarter but this is what I posted a few weeks ago in response to a similar question Regarding Great British Energy GBE it will be modeled on France’s EDF, Germany’s EnBW and Sweden’s Vattenfall It is not a Nationalisation of existing Energy Companies but would be a Government owned Company with operational independence, but with a mandate to invest in clean energy, wind, solar, tidal, nuclear and other emerging technologies. Labour's strategy for GBE is clever in my mind a) they plan to invest in renewable technologies that are already proven and can start making a difference right now, and b) they will invest in emerging, innovative energy technologies. This dual approach aims to balance immediate needs with future advancements. b) is obviously a riskier investment but with risks come rewards but is less likely to happen in the Private Sector although it doesn't preclude Private Investment/Partnership The overall aim is fourfold a) insulate UK from Market Shocks we saw recently but not in other Countries who have Public Energy Companies b) provide UK Energy Security c) meet UK 2030 Climate Change commitments and d) in the future sell excess Energy to return Profits to Treasury For far too long successive Governments have made short term populists decisions to get re-elected. As any household will tell you it may have ambitious plans to increase its wealth and security but it is restrained by its available Budget and it's ability to Borrow and finance that borrowing. Households also know that for long term gain you have to make short term choices of how you spend your Budget. Until UK Inc breaks the cycle of low growth and productivity to create additional headroom to invest in Public Services we will be trapped in a vortex of doing the same thing over and over with predictable results and it doesn't take an Einstein to understand that GBE will certainly own Pysical Assests either 100% or in Partnership with Private Investors and/or Energy Technology Companies
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2024 16:39:52 GMT
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t 😂 In which way? Quick timeline: - Diane gets suspended. - Diane issues apology - Diane gets told there's an independant investigation ongoing. - Diane sees other members suspended after her, get reinstated before her. - In December the investigation concludes. Diane can come back if she completes an antisemitism course. - Diane completes course in February. - Starmer gets asked in Feb about Diane. "It's an ongoing independant investigation." - Starmer gets asked in March about Diane. "It's an ongoing independant investigation." - Starmer gets asked in April about Diane. "It's an ongoing independant investigation." - Starmer gets asked in May about Diane. "It's an ongoing independant investigation." - A few nights ago Newsnight REVEAL that the investigation was completed in December and there is no ongoing investigation. - The next morning the whip was restored. - Why? Why do you think.... - The following days there is outrage about the treatment of Diane and that Starmer lied for months and kept her thinking the investigation wasn't concluded when it was. He just didn't want to restore the whip. Until he was caught out. - The outrage continues. More candidates being removed from standing for trivial reasons. - Starmer and Co. concede to restore Diane due to the backlash and how that may impact their vote count. There's no damned if you do damned if you don't about. There's no "Oh well I know he's lied for months on end and kept this woman senselessly on the sidelines while she faced racism and death threats despite the investigation being completed months earlier. But it's ok now because when he was found out for being the liar he is and received terrible backlash he pondered for a few days and did the only possible thing he could do to save face for the party." Shit like this needs called out for what it is in my opinion. She should be a candidate, she should be a candidate.. She can be a candidate. How dare he interfere 😉 Personally, I don’t think Starmer should have any say on who can be a candidate. Candidates should have to run mini campaigns in their constituency and be chosen by the people.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 31, 2024 16:49:05 GMT
Back to policy, is anyone else confused by what the Labour GB Energy proposal is? I'm sure there's smarter people than me on here that can explain but am I right in saying it's an "investment vehicle" for the private sector with no physical assests? I doubt I'm smarter but this is what I posted a few weeks ago in response to a similar question Regarding Great British Energy GBE it will be modeled on France’s EDF, Germany’s EnBW and Sweden’s Vattenfall It is not a Nationalisation of existing Energy Companies but would be a Government owned Company with operational independence, but with a mandate to invest in clean energy, wind, solar, tidal, nuclear and other emerging technologies. Labour's strategy for GBE is clever in my mind a) they plan to invest in renewable technologies that are already proven and can start making a difference right now, and b) they will invest in emerging, innovative energy technologies. This dual approach aims to balance immediate needs with future advancements. b) is obviously a riskier investment but with risks come rewards but is less likely to happen in the Private Sector although it doesn't preclude Private Investment/Partnership The overall aim is fourfold a) insulate UK from Market Shocks we saw recently but not in other Countries who have Public Energy Companies b) provide UK Energy Security c) meet UK 2030 Climate Change commitments and d) in the future sell excess Energy to return Profits to Treasury For far too long successive Governments have made short term populists decisions to get re-elected. As any household will tell you it may have ambitious plans to increase its wealth and security but it is restrained by its available Budget and it's ability to Borrow and finance that borrowing. Households also know that for long term gain you have to make short term choices of how you spend your Budget. Until UK Inc breaks the cycle of low growth and productivity to create additional headroom to invest in Public Services we will be trapped in a vortex of doing the same thing over and over with predictable results and it doesn't take an Einstein to understand that GBE will certainly own Pysical Assests either 100% or in Partnership with Private Investors and/or Energy Technology Companies Ta mate
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2024 17:18:23 GMT
I think he's right and it could come back to bite Starmer on the arse, much sooner than he thinks ...
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