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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2024 8:43:35 GMT
He's a hideously vile man, it's an absolute disgrace that Starmer has given him a seat. I'm not sure if he's lying through his back teeth or he is just genuinely as thick as pig shit.
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Post by Eggybread on May 31, 2024 8:50:53 GMT
He's a hideously vile man, it's an absolute disgrace that Starmer has given him a seat. I'm not sure if he's lying through his back teeth or he is just genuinely as thick as pig shit. Some people just need to learn to shut their stupid ill-educated mouths.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2024 8:52:36 GMT
He's a hideously vile man, it's an absolute disgrace that Starmer has given him a seat. I'm not sure if he's lying through his back teeth or he is just genuinely as thick as pig shit. Some people just need to learn to shut their stupid ill-educated mouths. Thing is, he gets paid to push this particular narrative.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 31, 2024 9:46:27 GMT
I don’t think Israel or British Jews have much sway over decision making by our government at all. Over the very narrow issue of the Israel and Palestine conflict the state of Israel does influence policy. But over what other issues does it influence our policies? NHS? Education? Taxation? Housing? Brexit? For a supposedly niche issue the amount of lobby groups/charities/organisations is phenomenal: Board of Deputies of British Jews Jewish Leadership Council The Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland All-Party Britain-Israel Parliamentary Group Friends of Israel (political parties) The Israel Britain Alliance BICOM Society Britain Israel Trade Union Dialogue Friends of Israel (geographical) Israel Advocacy Movement Israel Coalition UK Lawyers for Israel We Believe in Israel StandWithUs Faith UK Christian Assembly for Israel Habonim Dror Jewish National Fund UJIA There are others...... Ok. And what have those got to do with labour/the gove? There are millions of lobby groups. I go back to the question I have asked of those who see some Jewish puppet masters pulling the strings of British politics. What specific policies other than relating to Israel/Palestine has been dictated by Jews? Put your money where your mouth is and be specific.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 31, 2024 9:52:25 GMT
Sorry? I don’t follow why our tory government of the last 14 years has been dictated by jews. You sound a bit like the nutters who complain about a global jewish conspiracy! Labour policy certainly isn’t dictated only by jews. What have you got against jews influencing politics? Are there jews pushing for VAT on school fees. You seem to have an agenda An agenda? Elaborate on this agenda please Oggy. Adri2008 made a post about Israels influence on UK politics - which you replied to saying they only have an influence over the Israel Palestine conflict. I responded asking if you've watched The Labour Files which is an excellent documentary produced by Al Jazeera. The documentary demonstrates the influence which individuals connected to Israel had over our last two elections. You've responded to that with a load of libel and typical antisemitic weaponization: - "I don't follow why our tory government.... has been dictated by jews" - "You sound like the nutters who complain about global jewish conspiracy" - "Labour policy isn't dictated by jews" - "What have you got against jews?" - "You seem to have an agenda" FUCKING SHAME ON YOU OGGY. DISGUSTING WEAPONISATION OF ANTISEMITSM. Keep living in your bubble. Name a specific policy pushed for by Jews. If they are the puppet masters of British politics as you seem to think, there should be plenty? I wonder what you would say if a news organisation funded by the Israeli government produced loads of broadcasts accusing Muslims of what Al Jazeera has done with Jews. I bet you wouldn’t assume it was gospel. Your agenda is you hate Israel and as your latest posts show this is infecting your view of Jews as an entire population and their supposed influence on British politics. Hence why I am asking you to be specific about the policies Jews are forcing through our politicians and government. To me, you sound the equivalent of Tommy Robinson’s rants about Muslims.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 31, 2024 9:56:46 GMT
Sorry? I don’t follow why our tory government of the last 14 years has been dictated by jews. You sound a bit like the nutters who complain about a global jewish conspiracy!
Labour policy certainly isn’t dictated only by jews. What have you got against jews influencing politics? Are there jews pushing for VAT on school fees.
You seem to have an agenda I think you're out of order here as it's you that's conflating Israel and Jewry here not gawa. It's the classic response and sums up nicely the weaponisation of anti-Semitism over the last 5/6 years. If in doubt, just shout "anti-Semite!" He is complaining that Jews are having too great an influence in our politics. Not Israel. Jews. Do you see the difference? At the same time he has failed to provide specific examples beyond the middle east conflict and the current Israeli invasion of Palestine.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 31, 2024 10:02:50 GMT
For a supposedly niche issue the amount of lobby groups/charities/organisations is phenomenal: Board of Deputies of British Jews Jewish Leadership Council The Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland All-Party Britain-Israel Parliamentary Group Friends of Israel (political parties) The Israel Britain Alliance BICOM Society Britain Israel Trade Union Dialogue Friends of Israel (geographical) Israel Advocacy Movement Israel Coalition UK Lawyers for Israel We Believe in Israel StandWithUs Faith UK Christian Assembly for Israel Habonim Dror Jewish National Fund UJIA There are others...... Ok. And what have those got to do with labour/the gove? There are millions of lobby groups. I go back to the question I have asked of those who see some Jewish puppet masters pulling the strings of British politics. What specific policies other than relating to Israel/Palestine has been dictated by Jews? Put your money where your mouth is and be specific. Why would I need to put my money where my mouth is? I've already clearly stated that Jews and Israel shouldn't be conflated. There is a huge Israel lobby in this county and the USA and not all involved are Jewish, some are some aren't........
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 31, 2024 10:05:53 GMT
I think you're out of order here as it's you that's conflating Israel and Jewry here not gawa. It's the classic response and sums up nicely the weaponisation of anti-Semitism over the last 5/6 years. If in doubt, just shout "anti-Semite!" He is complaining that Jews are having too great an influence in our politics. Not Israel. Jews. Do you see the difference? At the same time he has failed to provide specific examples beyond the middle east conflict and the current Israeli invasion of Palestine. Where specifically has he done that, I might be blind and happy to be corrected but I can't see those posts?
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2024 10:10:37 GMT
I think you're out of order here as it's you that's conflating Israel and Jewry here not gawa. It's the classic response and sums up nicely the weaponisation of anti-Semitism over the last 5/6 years. If in doubt, just shout "anti-Semite!" He is complaining that Jews are having too great an influence in our politics. Not Israel. Jews. Do you see the difference? I've stayed out of this for the last couple of days Oggy because although I disagreed with you, I didn't want you to feel you were being ganged up on. But I'm sorry, that's quite an accusation you've made there ... what evidence is there for this? EDIT: Apologies, I posted this before I saw PP's post.
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Post by mrnovember on May 31, 2024 10:12:34 GMT
If you're teeing me up for a bit of your good old fashioned ridiculing, go straight for the money shot, I hate being edged. Give me some of those fancy italics baby. Give it to me hard, come down on like I'm the left wing element of the Labour Party and your Sir Kier. Infiltrate me like an Israeli stooge. 🥱 Just thought than before you went off on some mad rant, you might have considered what is was you were actually ranting about ... Got me all excited over nothing.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 31, 2024 10:13:29 GMT
He is complaining that Jews are having too great an influence in our politics. Not Israel. Jews. Do you see the difference? At the same time he has failed to provide specific examples beyond the middle east conflict and the current Israeli invasion of Palestine. Where specifically has he done that, I might be blind and happy to be corrected but I can't see those posts? See his response to Adri’s post. To me, he is supporting Adri’s assertion that Jews have too much influence on our politics. I disagree and have asked for specific examples and his response was to say shame on me for weaponising antisemitism.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 31, 2024 10:14:47 GMT
He is complaining that Jews are having too great an influence in our politics. Not Israel. Jews. Do you see the difference? I've stayed out of this for the last couple of days Oggy because although I disagreed with you, I didn't want you to feel you were being ganged up on. But I'm sorry, that's quite an accusation you've made there ... what evidence is there for this? EDIT: Apologies, I posted this before I saw PP's post. I’ve replied to PP. You disagree with me. Can you name all these policies jews have dictated in our politics?
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 31, 2024 10:20:29 GMT
Where specifically has he done that, I might be blind and happy to be corrected but I can't see those posts? See his response to Adri’s post. To me, he is supporting Adri’s assertion that Jews have too much influence on our politics. I disagree and have asked for specific examples and his response was to say shame on me for weaponising antisemitism. I've looked and I can't even see a direct reply from gawa to his post, I replied as did you but unless it's been deleted it's not there?
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Post by wannabee on May 31, 2024 10:22:08 GMT
Let's establish in case there is any doubt Luke Akehurst is a piece of shit, he also has dubious connections and quite possibly a competing agenda beyond allegiance to the Labour Party Don't you think the underlined in your post is disengenuous when you introduce fake information..... possibly not for the first time, yet you chide others for not adequately doing research. Also for the record the circumstances which provoked the exchange between Jamie Driscoll and Luke Akehurst, the sharing of a platform with Ken Loach was a thundering disgrace. I I don't think it is disingenuous to post something I believe to be true knowing Lukes history and then to correct the record when I realise it isn't true. I don't see any issue with sharing a platform with Ken Loach. An excellent socialist campaigner over the last number of decades who has fought for the many against the few. Ken Loach is an outstanding character who has an independent platform so must be silenced I see you're back to quoting Blair's 1997 Manifesto
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2024 10:24:09 GMT
Where specifically has he done that, I might be blind and happy to be corrected but I can't see those posts? See his response to Adri’s post. To me, he is supporting Adri’s assertion that Jews have too much influence on our politics. I disagree and have asked for specific examples and his response was to say shame on me for weaponising antisemitism. Your going to need to quote him then mate, you can't make a definitive accusation like that and then back it up with "TO ME he is supporting".
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2024 10:30:07 GMT
I've stayed out of this for the last couple of days Oggy because although I disagreed with you, I didn't want you to feel you were being ganged up on. But I'm sorry, that's quite an accusation you've made there ... what evidence is there for this? EDIT: Apologies, I posted this before I saw PP's post. I’ve replied to PP. You disagree with me. Can you name all these policies jews have dictated in our politics? You're doing you usual trick of putting lots of straw men out there. The role of the Israel lobby is to influence UK and US foreign policy over ISRAEL and it is hugely powerful and indeed successful in what it does. Please read the following and see how over 10 years nothing has changed, save for it maybe becoming even more powerful ... www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-truth-about-the-uks-powerful-jewish-lobbies-9702262.htmlNow for context, consider if their was a Russian lobby, which actually had the power to influence UK and US foreign policy in Ukraine, in Russia's favour.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 31, 2024 10:35:17 GMT
See his response to Adri’s post. To me, he is supporting Adri’s assertion that Jews have too much influence on our politics. I disagree and have asked for specific examples and his response was to say shame on me for weaponising antisemitism. Your going to need to quote him then mate, you can't make a definitive accusation like that and then back it up with "To me he is supporting". Adri said” “ The Jewish population of the UK is tiny so why does it appear to hold such sway over decision making.” I disagreed with that, asking what sway the Uk Jewish population has had on brexit, education, nhs, housing etc. Adri backed down. Gawa said: “ Uhm have you watched the Labour files? They pretty much ran a smear campaign filled with lies and fiction against the last Labour leader. That affects everything from NHS through to housing. Maybe you should take the time to watch the Labour files.” I asked for specific examples of policy the British Jewish population has influenced. I asked whether, for example, Jews are desperate for VAT on school fees. Gawa said: “ FUCKING SHAME ON YOU OGGY. DISGUSTING WEAPONISATION OF ANTISEMITSM. Keep living in your bubble.”
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Post by gawa on May 31, 2024 10:36:34 GMT
I don't think it is disingenuous to post something I believe to be true knowing Lukes history and then to correct the record when I realise it isn't true. I don't see any issue with sharing a platform with Ken Loach. An excellent socialist campaigner over the last number of decades who has fought for the many against the few. Ken Loach is an outstanding character who has an independent platform so must be silenced I see you're back to quoting Blair's 1997 Manifesto What did you mean by "the sharing of a platform with Ken Loach was a thundering disgrace."
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Post by oggyoggy on May 31, 2024 10:36:43 GMT
I’ve replied to PP. You disagree with me. Can you name all these policies jews have dictated in our politics? You're doing you usual trick of putting lots of straw men out there. The role of the Israel lobby is to influence UK and US foreign policy over ISRAEL and it is hugely powerful and indeed successful in what it does. Please read the following and see how over 10 years nothing has changed, save for it maybe becoming even more powerful ... www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-truth-about-the-uks-powerful-jewish-lobbies-9702262.htmlNow for context, consider if their was a Russian lobby, which actually had the power to influence UK and US foreign policy in Ukraine, in Russia's favour. I’m talking about the specific comment of the Iewish UK population having huge sway over British politics which Gawa passionately believes. You are conflating the British population of Jews with the “Israel lobby”.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 31, 2024 10:38:40 GMT
See his response to Adri’s post. To me, he is supporting Adri’s assertion that Jews have too much influence on our politics. I disagree and have asked for specific examples and his response was to say shame on me for weaponising antisemitism. I've looked and I can't even see a direct reply from gawa to his post, I replied as did you but unless it's been deleted it's not there? Can you name some policies in British politics dictated by the Jewish UK population?
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2024 10:40:00 GMT
Your going to need to quote him then mate, you can't make a definitive accusation like that and then back it up with "To me he is supporting". Adri said” “ The Jewish population of the UK is tiny so why does it appear to hold such sway over decision making.” I disagreed with that, asking what sway the Uk Jewish population has had on brexit, education, nhs, housing etc. Adri backed down. Gawa said: “ Uhm have you watched the Labour files? They pretty much ran a smear campaign filled with lies and fiction against the last Labour leader. That affects everything from NHS through to housing. Maybe you should take the time to watch the Labour files.” I asked for specific examples of policy the British Jewish population has influenced. I asked whether, for example, Jews are desperate for VAT on school fees. Gawa said: “ FUCKING SHAME ON YOU OGGY. DISGUSTING WEAPONISATION OF ANTISEMITSM. Keep living in your bubble.” That's really naughty, what you've done there Oggy and as a lawyer, you should be absolutely ashamed of yourself. I've found it now (page 153) and you've omitted the word ISRAEL from the post Gawa replied to. Poor fella, extremely poor.
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Post by gawa on May 31, 2024 10:41:42 GMT
Your going to need to quote him then mate, you can't make a definitive accusation like that and then back it up with "To me he is supporting". Adri said” “ The Jewish population of the UK is tiny so why does it appear to hold such sway over decision making.” I disagreed with that, asking what sway the Uk Jewish population has had on brexit, education, nhs, housing etc. Adri backed down. Gawa said: “ Uhm have you watched the Labour files? They pretty much ran a smear campaign filled with lies and fiction against the last Labour leader. That affects everything from NHS through to housing. Maybe you should take the time to watch the Labour files.” I asked for specific examples of policy the British Jewish population has influenced. I asked whether, for example, Jews are desperate for VAT on school fees. Gawa said: “ FUCKING SHAME ON YOU OGGY. DISGUSTING WEAPONISATION OF ANTISEMITSM. Keep living in your bubble.” No Oggy, what you actually said was: - "I don't follow why our tory government.... has been dictated by jews" - "You sound like the nutters who complain about global jewish conspiracy" - "Labour policy isn't dictated by jews" - "What have you got against jews?" - "You seem to have an agenda" You keep conflating Israel with jewish. I did not mention jewish people anywhere but then you went on a tirade accusing me of saying the government is dictated by jews. That I'm a nutter with a conspiracy about jews. That I implied labour policy is dictated by jews. That I HAVE SOMETHING AGAINST JEWS. And that I have an agenda. Don't rewrite history or paraphrase to remove what you accused me of. And I will reply to your other post when I have time.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 31, 2024 10:42:35 GMT
Adri said” “ The Jewish population of the UK is tiny so why does it appear to hold such sway over decision making.” I disagreed with that, asking what sway the Uk Jewish population has had on brexit, education, nhs, housing etc. Adri backed down. Gawa said: “ Uhm have you watched the Labour files? They pretty much ran a smear campaign filled with lies and fiction against the last Labour leader. That affects everything from NHS through to housing. Maybe you should take the time to watch the Labour files.” I asked for specific examples of policy the British Jewish population has influenced. I asked whether, for example, Jews are desperate for VAT on school fees. Gawa said: “ FUCKING SHAME ON YOU OGGY. DISGUSTING WEAPONISATION OF ANTISEMITSM. Keep living in your bubble.” That's really naughty, what you've done their Oggy and as a lawyer, you should be absolutely ashamed of yourself. I've found it now (page 153) and you've omitted the word ISRAEL from the post Gawa replied to. Poor fella, extremely poor. You will have to quote me.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2024 10:43:44 GMT
You're doing you usual trick of putting lots of straw men out there. The role of the Israel lobby is to influence UK and US foreign policy over ISRAEL and it is hugely powerful and indeed successful in what it does. Please read the following and see how over 10 years nothing has changed, save for it maybe becoming even more powerful ... www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-truth-about-the-uks-powerful-jewish-lobbies-9702262.htmlNow for context, consider if their was a Russian lobby, which actually had the power to influence UK and US foreign policy in Ukraine, in Russia's favour. I’m talking about the specific comment of the Iewish UK population having huge sway over British politics which Gawa passionately believes. You are conflating the British population of Jews with the “Israel lobby”. I've just explained. 1. That you are (pathetically) attempting to use straw men. 2. What the role of Israel lobby is and how it renders your question completely moot. And as other people have pointed out to you already, it is actually YOU who is conflating British Jews with the Israel lobby and the point Gawa was making.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 31, 2024 10:44:03 GMT
Adri said” “ The Jewish population of the UK is tiny so why does it appear to hold such sway over decision making.” I disagreed with that, asking what sway the Uk Jewish population has had on brexit, education, nhs, housing etc. Adri backed down. Gawa said: “ Uhm have you watched the Labour files? They pretty much ran a smear campaign filled with lies and fiction against the last Labour leader. That affects everything from NHS through to housing. Maybe you should take the time to watch the Labour files.” I asked for specific examples of policy the British Jewish population has influenced. I asked whether, for example, Jews are desperate for VAT on school fees. Gawa said: “ FUCKING SHAME ON YOU OGGY. DISGUSTING WEAPONISATION OF ANTISEMITSM. Keep living in your bubble.” No Oggy, what you actually said was: - "I don't follow why our tory government.... has been dictated by jews" - "You sound like the nutters who complain about global jewish conspiracy" - "Labour policy isn't dictated by jews" - "What have you got against jews?" - "You seem to have an agenda" You keep conflating Israel with jewish. I did not mention jewish people anywhere but then you went on a tirade accusing me of saying the government is dictated by jews. That I'm a nutter with a conspiracy about jews. That I implied labour policy is dictated by jews. That I HAVE SOMETHING AGAINST JEWS. And that I have an agenda. Don't rewrite history or paraphrase to remove what you accused me of. And I will reply to your other post when I have time. You were responding to Adri’s comment about the Jewish UK population having huge sway on our politics. I don’t think that is Israel. I don’t think that is the case and you still can’t name specific examples of it.
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Post by oggyoggy on May 31, 2024 10:45:42 GMT
I’m talking about the specific comment of the Iewish UK population having huge sway over British politics which Gawa passionately believes. You are conflating the British population of Jews with the “Israel lobby”. I've just explained. 1. That you are (pathetically) attempting to use straw men. 2. What the role of Israel lobby is and how it renders your question completely moot. And as other people have pointed out to you already, it is actually YOU who is conflating British Jews with the Israel lobby and the point Gawa was making. Israel is not the same as British Jews! Why are you conflating them!? My point is British Jews don’t have huge sway over our politics. I also don’t think Israel does. I am being accused as weaponising anti semitism because of that.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 31, 2024 10:47:18 GMT
That's really naughty, what you've done their Oggy and as a lawyer, you should be absolutely ashamed of yourself. I've found it now (page 153) and you've omitted the word ISRAEL from the post Gawa replied to. Poor fella, extremely poor. You will have to quote me. Don't pretend you don't know what you've done.
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Post by adri2008 on May 31, 2024 11:03:58 GMT
Where specifically has he done that, I might be blind and happy to be corrected but I can't see those posts? See his response to Adri’s post. To me, he is supporting Adri’s assertion that Jews have too much influence on our politics. I disagree and have asked for specific examples and his response was to say shame on me for weaponising antisemitism. My wording was poor. I was more asking why the UK government seems to have a default position of supporting every Israeli policy when it makes little sense to do so politically at home (few votes to be won). Any dissenters to this supportive narrative are immediately shut down and demonised as nut jobs/anti semites.
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Post by mrnovember on May 31, 2024 11:05:56 GMT
I'm beginning to wonder if Labour are gonna fuck it up and lose the election, slight swing in polls suggest it's not as cut and dry as it was a month ago, let's hope I'm right eh Huddy. I'm so glad the good people at publications such as this are driving the narrative in the lead up to the erm, UK election.
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 31, 2024 11:08:05 GMT
I've looked and I can't even see a direct reply from gawa to his post, I replied as did you but unless it's been deleted it's not there? Can you name some policies in British politics dictated by the Jewish UK population? You answer my question and I'll answer yours. You're being pretty disingenuous here, you've accused someone of basically saying there's a Jewish conspiracy in British politics which is a pretty strong allegation, at least highlight the specific quote............
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