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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 8, 2024 5:46:51 GMT
Now this would be excellent. . Would be a great way to keep Conservatives in power, as it stands. If Corbyn wants to go left, he should sit down and talk with someone like Braverman and do it at a time that she wants to create another party on the further right. The creating of genuine polar opposite parties would reinvigorate British politics. As it stands though, none of this sounds likely to happen. GB News are probably going to their boogeyman again to increase ratings. I've never watched GB news, but one trait of the left at present is to label anyone or any idea that might discuss issues that are not on their agenda as " bogeyman ".....don't let's think about anything that could be different or anything that means change, just keep playing the Tory/Labour game..,.but remember the rules keep "the natural party of government " in power....and also satisfies the "left" who are able to be self righteous without any responsibility
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Post by lordb on Jan 8, 2024 7:32:11 GMT
. Would be a great way to keep Conservatives in power, as it stands. If Corbyn wants to go left, he should sit down and talk with someone like Braverman and do it at a time that she wants to create another party on the further right. The creating of genuine polar opposite parties would reinvigorate British politics. As it stands though, none of this sounds likely to happen. GB News are probably going to their boogeyman again to increase ratings. I've never watched GB news, but one trait of the left at present is to label anyone or any idea that might discuss issues that are not on their agenda as " bogeyman ".....don't let's think about anything that could be different or anything that means change, just keep playing the Tory/Labour game..,.but remember the rules keep "the natural party of government " in power....and also satisfies the "left" who are able to be self righteous without any responsibility Any other new outlets reporting this story? No? Why is that then? Because GB news have got a huge scoop? Or because they have made it up? If it's the latter then why have they? The bogeyman argument fits like a glove
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 8, 2024 8:25:06 GMT
I've never watched GB news, but one trait of the left at present is to label anyone or any idea that might discuss issues that are not on their agenda as " bogeyman ".....don't let's think about anything that could be different or anything that means change, just keep playing the Tory/Labour game..,.but remember the rules keep "the natural party of government " in power....and also satisfies the "left" who are able to be self righteous without any responsibility Any other new outlets reporting this story? No? Why is that then? Because GB news have got a huge scoop? Or because they have made it up? If it's the latter then why have they? The bogeyman argument fits like a glove You are proving my point exactly. Is it only the so called mainstream media that is allowed to bring anything up.....let's just stick to what we are told eh? People are capable of thinking for themselves, thinking about what are the motives behind any news, whether it be mainstream TV or national newspapers...much of the latter talk to their own readership who simply confirm their ( right or wrong? ) beliefs Perhaps GB news should be shut down because it isn't on the left?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2024 12:08:37 GMT
. Would be a great way to keep Conservatives in power, as it stands. If Corbyn wants to go left, he should sit down and talk with someone like Braverman and do it at a time that she wants to create another party on the further right. The creating of genuine polar opposite parties would reinvigorate British politics. As it stands though, none of this sounds likely to happen. GB News are probably going to their boogeyman again to increase ratings. I've never watched GB news, but one trait of the left at present is to label anyone or any idea that might discuss issues that are not on their agenda as " bogeyman ".....don't let's think about anything that could be different or anything that means change, just keep playing the Tory/Labour game..,.but remember the rules keep "the natural party of government " in power....and also satisfies the "left" who are able to be self righteous without any responsibility I’m not sure I’ve ever heard anyone use it before but I don’t think my statement is particularly wrong. I very much doubt that Corbyn is going to create a new party. However, his name alone winds up a lot of people. CNN do the same with Trump. It’s not about politics, it’s about companies trying to make money by increasing viewerships.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 8, 2024 12:28:15 GMT
I've never watched GB news, but one trait of the left at present is to label anyone or any idea that might discuss issues that are not on their agenda as " bogeyman ".....don't let's think about anything that could be different or anything that means change, just keep playing the Tory/Labour game..,.but remember the rules keep "the natural party of government " in power....and also satisfies the "left" who are able to be self righteous without any responsibility I’m not sure I’ve ever heard anyone use it before but I don’t think my statement is particularly wrong. I very much doubt that Corbyn is going to create a new party. However, his name alone winds up a lot of people. CNN do the same with Trump. It’s not about politics, it’s about companies trying to make money by increasing viewerships. I wasn't inferring JUST you, the Ledt in general. As well as making money I very much think it is to do with politics.
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Post by adri2008 on Jan 8, 2024 15:26:29 GMT
Now this would be excellent. . Would be a great way to keep Conservatives in power, as it stands. If Corbyn wants to go left, he should sit down and talk with someone like Braverman and do it at a time that she wants to create another party on the further right. The creating of genuine polar opposite parties would reinvigorate British politics. As it stands though, none of this sounds likely to happen. GB News are probably going to their boogeyman again to increase ratings. I think the country desperately needs a radical left government right now. The NHS and social care needs a rethink (i.e. how are we going to fund it effectively with an aging population and reducing tax base) and only the Labour Party has the trust required to deliver it. The Triple lock on pensions quite obviously needs to be scrapped too - again something the Tory party can't do as it'd be slitting its own throat. Same situation with planning laws, it panders overly to nimby interests who again tend to vote Tory. Starmer will stroll into power but won't be able to deliver any actual change as he is busily tying both hands behind his back.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 8, 2024 17:41:15 GMT
. Would be a great way to keep Conservatives in power, as it stands. If Corbyn wants to go left, he should sit down and talk with someone like Braverman and do it at a time that she wants to create another party on the further right. The creating of genuine polar opposite parties would reinvigorate British politics. As it stands though, none of this sounds likely to happen. GB News are probably going to their boogeyman again to increase ratings. I think the country desperately needs a radical left government right now. The NHS and social care needs a rethink (i.e. how are we going to fund it effectively with an aging population and reducing tax base) and only the Labour Party has the trust required to deliver it. The Triple lock on pensions quite obviously needs to be scrapped too - again something the Tory party can't do as it'd be slitting its own throat. Same situation with planning laws, it panders overly to nimby interests who again tend to vote Tory. Starmer will stroll into power but won't be able to deliver any actual change as he is busily tying both hands behind his back. Trust the Labour party? Or any politician for that matter.
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Post by stokeson on Jan 8, 2024 18:44:36 GMT
Im really loving this new phase of "Boris Brexit GB News Tory loving loons " on this board wetting their Knickers over the fact they are on the way out and there's nothing they can do about it but slag off Starmer. Get over it "Its the will of the people.."
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Post by felonious on Jan 8, 2024 18:51:50 GMT
Im really loving this new phase of "Boris Brexit GB News loving loons " on this board wetting their Knickers over the fact They are on the way out and theres nothing they can do about it but slag off Starmer. Get over it "It the will of the people.." I suspect most of the "slagging off" over the years has come from the pro Corbyn brigade.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 8, 2024 22:43:52 GMT
Im really loving this new phase of "Boris Brexit GB News loving loons " on this board wetting their Knickers over the fact They are on the way out and theres nothing they can do about it but slag off Starmer. Get over it "It the will of the people.." I suspect most of the "slagging off" over the years has come from the pro Corbyn brigade. Yep just a quick look at the start of this thread from way back by rogerjonesisgod, with regular contributions by yourself, crapslinger, thevoid, partickpotter. followyoudown and wagastokie show clearly it's "the pro-Corbyn brigade" that have been "slagging off" Starmer. For what it's worth I just think he's absolutely useless, which still makes him just about more competent than Sunak and the rest of the current mob in charge..............
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Post by adri2008 on Jan 9, 2024 6:51:14 GMT
I think the country desperately needs a radical left government right now. The NHS and social care needs a rethink (i.e. how are we going to fund it effectively with an aging population and reducing tax base) and only the Labour Party has the trust required to deliver it. The Triple lock on pensions quite obviously needs to be scrapped too - again something the Tory party can't do as it'd be slitting its own throat. Same situation with planning laws, it panders overly to nimby interests who again tend to vote Tory. Starmer will stroll into power but won't be able to deliver any actual change as he is busily tying both hands behind his back. Trust the Labour party? Or any politician for that matter. If the Tories ever attempt to do anything regarding the NHS, you have people marching on the streets. Only Labour has the good will to make changes which I think are inevitable and necessary imo if we want a service that functions.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 9, 2024 7:14:37 GMT
Trust the Labour party? Or any politician for that matter. If the Tories ever attempt to do anything regarding the NHS, you have people marching on the streets. Only Labour has the good will to make changes which I think are inevitable and necessary imo if we want a service that functions. So are they the same set of changes that either party would need to implement to make an improvement, but for some reason this would be perceived differently depending on which party had to deliver them?
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Post by elystokie on Jan 9, 2024 7:46:01 GMT
If the Tories ever attempt to do anything regarding the NHS, you have people marching on the streets. Only Labour has the good will to make changes which I think are inevitable and necessary imo if we want a service that functions. So are they the same set of changes that either party would need to implement to make an improvement, but for some reason this would be perceived differently depending on which party had to deliver them? I wouldn't say for 'some reason'. I'd say the reason is the widespread public perception of the Tories is that they'd use it as yet another excuse to funnel our taxes into their mate's pockets.
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Post by felonious on Jan 9, 2024 8:08:02 GMT
I suspect most of the "slagging off" over the years has come from the pro Corbyn brigade. Yep just a quick look at the start of this thread from way back by rogerjonesisgod, with regular contributions by yourself, crapslinger, thevoid, partickpotter. followyoudown and wagastokie show clearly it's "the pro-Corbyn brigade" that have been "slagging off" Starmer. For what it's worth I just thing he's absolutely useless, which still makes him just about more competent than Sunak and the rest of the current mob in charge.............. I did say over the years. Have a look at the posting history and the top ten posters and as you know you're well clear.....
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 9, 2024 9:18:11 GMT
Yep just a quick look at the start of this thread from way back by rogerjonesisgod, with regular contributions by yourself, crapslinger, thevoid, partickpotter. followyoudown and wagastokie show clearly it's "the pro-Corbyn brigade" that have been "slagging off" Starmer. For what it's worth I just thing he's absolutely useless, which still makes him just about more competent than Sunak and the rest of the current mob in charge.............. I did say over the years. Have a look at the posting history and the top ten posters and as you know you're well clear..... Most of the aforementioned were either banned, or in the case of the likes of followyoudown couldn't defend the indefensible anymore and disappeared into oblivion.......
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Post by felonious on Jan 14, 2024 14:00:37 GMT
Lawyer speak at it's finest..... Sir Keir Starmer has denied changing his position on whether the government has to give MPs a vote on any plans by the UK to take military action. The Labour leader backed the US-UK air strikes in Yemen, launched without a parliamentary vote. He told the BBC on Sunday a vote was only needed when "deploying troops". During his leadership campaign Sir Keir had pledged to create a law requiring "the consent of the Commons" for military action. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67973868
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2024 15:37:01 GMT
Lawyer speak at it's finest..... Sir Keir Starmer has denied changing his position on whether the government has to give MPs a vote on any plans by the UK to take military action. The Labour leader backed the US-UK air strikes in Yemen, launched without a parliamentary vote. He told the BBC on Sunday a vote was only needed when "deploying troops". During his leadership campaign Sir Keir had pledged to create a law requiring "the consent of the Commons" for military action. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67973868How does that even work though? If you are launching covert operations (which every country likely does all the time), how are you going to do that if you need to go to Parliament and get a vote on something that is above most people’s clearance?
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Post by felonious on Jan 14, 2024 15:55:08 GMT
Lawyer speak at it's finest..... Sir Keir Starmer has denied changing his position on whether the government has to give MPs a vote on any plans by the UK to take military action. The Labour leader backed the US-UK air strikes in Yemen, launched without a parliamentary vote. He told the BBC on Sunday a vote was only needed when "deploying troops". During his leadership campaign Sir Keir had pledged to create a law requiring "the consent of the Commons" for military action. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67973868How does that even work though? If you are launching covert operations (which every country likely does all the time), how are you going to do that if you need to go to Parliament and get a vote on something that is above most people’s clearance? My understanding is that our masters, the United States of America have been threatening action for months so on this occasion it could easily have been debated. I suspect the majority of the country here don't want to wake up to strikes on Iran as Paul Spencer's joke put it perfectly in election year on both sides of the Pond
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jan 14, 2024 22:02:34 GMT
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Post by wannabee on Jan 15, 2024 1:29:35 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jan 15, 2024 6:28:41 GMT
Lest we forget....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 12:17:23 GMT
Deliver leaflets 😂 What better waste of time, money and the trees is there than delivering leaflets? That’s what spamming email is for.
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Post by adri2008 on Jan 15, 2024 12:48:01 GMT
Always surprises me how many leaflets are still distributed. My immediate reaction is to chuck them straight in the bin without a second thought. I'm guessing it must still have some traction with the older demographic.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 15, 2024 21:00:32 GMT
Always surprises me how many leaflets are still distributed. My immediate reaction is to chuck them straight in the bin without a second thought. I'm guessing it must still have some traction with the older demographic. Last week, we received two identical Tory leaflets, in the POST, in two separate franked envelopes, to EACH of us! 🤦♂️
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 16, 2024 12:34:22 GMT
He's going to lose a lot of the traditional Labour vote (including mine) over this!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 16, 2024 12:41:57 GMT
He's going to lose a lot of the traditional Labour vote (including mine) over this! A lot of people will say that the Tories need to go and that anyone as an alternative is better and I get that. But as you rightly point out there are people that as a point of principal will find it so difficult to vote for Labour on issues such as this one, the transgender issue, the way Muslim and black members have been treated at CLP level etc. Labour will get in iwith a small majority I have no doubt but this man has very few redeeming qualities and is a disingenuous as many a Tory that have been called out on this forum........
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 16, 2024 12:47:55 GMT
He's going to lose a lot of the traditional Labour vote (including mine) over this! A lot of people will say that the Tories need to go and that anyone as an alternative is better and I get that. But as you rightly point out there are people that as a point of principal will find it so difficult to vote for Labour on issues such as this one, the transgender issue, the way Muslim and black members have been treated at CLP level etc. Labour will get in iwith a small majority I have no doubt but this man has very few redeeming qualities and is a disingenuous as many a Tory that have been called out on this forum........ My membership is up for renewal in April and sadly the only thing they'll be receiving off me, is my card cut in two in an envelope. And I know a lot of my friends feel the same way.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 16, 2024 12:51:25 GMT
A lot of people will say that the Tories need to go and that anyone as an alternative is better and I get that. But as you rightly point out there are people that as a point of principal will find it so difficult to vote for Labour on issues such as this one, the transgender issue, the way Muslim and black members have been treated at CLP level etc. Labour will get in iwith a small majority I have no doubt but this man has very few redeeming qualities and is a disingenuous as many a Tory that have been called out on this forum........ My membership is up for renewal in April and sadly the only thing they'll be receiving off me, is my card cut in two in an envelope. And I know a lot of my friends feel the same way. I've not been a member of the Labour Party for donkeys years but I have friends in my area that were and most have done the same mate. The Labour Party doesn't want people walking the streets canvassing for them seemingly by the way it treats a large chunk of its members, which is a good job as in a couple of the local groups they are struggling to muster anyone to do it......
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 16, 2024 13:03:43 GMT
He's going to lose a lot of the traditional Labour vote (including mine) over this! I think most people hold the view that a two state solution is needed and not a one state solution. Isn’t that what this means? Not doing something only one side has signed off on? Apologies if I have misunderstood.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 16, 2024 13:09:00 GMT
He's going to lose a lot of the traditional Labour vote (including mine) over this! I think most people hold the view that a two state solution is needed and not a one state solution. Isn’t that what this means? Not doing something only one side has signed off on? Apologies if I have misunderstood. No it means the complete opposite mate. By doing this Starmer is essentially saying that he's walking away from a two state solution. He's given up any leverage with Israel by telling them that he will only support whatever they want as a solution. No-one can expect to achieve anything in ANY negotiation, if you have already told the other party that they will concede their position.
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