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Post by knype on Nov 9, 2023 10:15:45 GMT
After doing a quick catch up on this thread and the Tory Government thread, wouldnt it be easier just to merge the 2....? And the clown thread
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Post by gawa on Nov 15, 2023 17:08:41 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 15, 2023 17:40:36 GMT
At least there's still a few principled people left in the party. I think Starmer has completely misread the room here and would gain just as many votes as he'd lose if Labour backed a ceasefire. Although I appreciate that he doesn't want to piss off America.
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 15, 2023 18:00:47 GMT
At least there's still a few principled people left in the party. I think Starmer has completely misread the room here and would gain just as many votes as he'd lose if Labour backed a ceasefire. Although I appreciate that he doesn't want to piss off America. The situation with Corbyn has really put him in a corner here and may cost him a lot of support at the next election. You can't be seen standing with the Jewish people one minute in a bid to oust your last leader then turn against them as soon as Israel start killing loads of civilian men, women and children or he just gives Corbyn and his allies ammunition against him. He's made his bed and I have no sympathy for him whatsoever. He chose to back a country bombing civilians rather than try to encourage a de-escalation.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 15, 2023 18:05:54 GMT
At least there's still a few principled people left in the party. I think Starmer has completely misread the room here and would gain just as many votes as he'd lose if Labour backed a ceasefire. Although I appreciate that he doesn't want to piss off America. I suspect Phillips is more concerned about losing her seat. Starmer has also taken 5 million quid from a friend of Israel allegedly.
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Post by gawa on Nov 15, 2023 18:07:08 GMT
At least there's still a few principled people left in the party. I think Starmer has completely misread the room here and would gain just as many votes as he'd lose if Labour backed a ceasefire. Although I appreciate that he doesn't want to piss off America. I suspect Phillips is more concerned about losing her seat. Starmer has also taken 5 million quid from a friend of Israel allegedly. Agree on Phillips as I think there is a significant amount of Muslims in her constituency. Will be interesting to see if the others are from constituencies with a high concentration of Muslims
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 15, 2023 18:09:13 GMT
Shit
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 18:11:31 GMT
Labour are morons. Just flat out morons.
The Conservative Party are crumbling, so what does Labour decide to do? Fall to pieces at the same time to help them out 😂
They are such a pathetically weak and inept opposition.
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 15, 2023 18:50:45 GMT
Imagine being sacked for having a conscience. Is that unfair dismissal?
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Post by gawa on Nov 15, 2023 19:14:55 GMT
A proper leader
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 15, 2023 20:21:45 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 15, 2023 20:22:14 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 15, 2023 20:30:33 GMT
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Post by henry on Nov 15, 2023 20:47:12 GMT
History shows he's not though.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Nov 15, 2023 21:04:13 GMT
Nothing says "strong leadership" like abstaining on yet another vote...........
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2023 21:16:52 GMT
Imagine being sacked for having a conscience. Is that unfair dismissal? I agree. Starmer’s power play here is laughably stupid.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 15, 2023 22:21:59 GMT
The Jewish vote or the Muslim vote.
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Post by gawa on Nov 15, 2023 22:26:45 GMT
The Jewish vote or the Muslim vote. Don't be daft. Many jewish people want a ceasefire, don't tarnish them all with the same brush.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 16, 2023 6:59:48 GMT
So what’s the difference between a ceasefire and a humanitarian pause? And what difference does it make to the reality in the Middle East what the opposition in the UK says about it?
It is all completely irrelevant.
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Post by chad on Nov 16, 2023 7:20:35 GMT
The people of Britain didn’t think so
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 16, 2023 7:23:35 GMT
The Jewish vote or the Muslim vote. Or more apt, a conscience vote.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 16, 2023 7:29:19 GMT
The Jewish vote or the Muslim vote. Or more apt, a conscience vote. A vote to say Israel will cease firing and Hamas to continue their evil work. A vote that Israel and Hamas couldn’t care less about. It is all symbolic nonsense. We have no influence whatsoever. So why don’t our elected MPs focus on issues that impact us. Like the cost of living crisis. Or the housing reform bill.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 16, 2023 7:41:24 GMT
Labour are morons. Just flat out morons. The Conservative Party are crumbling, so what does Labour decide to do? Fall to pieces at the same time to help them out 😂 They are such a pathetically weak and inept opposition. Starmer could have easily avoided this by instructing a free vote rather than a three line whip. Idiotic decision.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 16, 2023 7:43:35 GMT
Labour are morons. Just flat out morons. The Conservative Party are crumbling, so what does Labour decide to do? Fall to pieces at the same time to help them out 😂 They are such a pathetically weak and inept opposition. I have said for ages, the biggest danger to the Labour Party failing to win the next election is the Labour Party itself.
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Post by satoshi on Nov 16, 2023 7:44:24 GMT
Terrible day for the left
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 16, 2023 7:46:44 GMT
Labour are morons. Just flat out morons. The Conservative Party are crumbling, so what does Labour decide to do? Fall to pieces at the same time to help them out 😂 They are such a pathetically weak and inept opposition. Starmer could have easily avoided this by instructing a free vote rather than a three line whip. Idiotic decision. Is it strong leadership to stick to your guns as he did, or to admit he cannot control his party and to flake and give a free vote? He cannot win. Which was the entire purpose of the utterly pointless votes last night. To cause difficulties for Starmer. In my opinion there should be no such thing as a whip. Every MP should always get a free vote, but if in government ministers should have to resign if they vote against the government. Shadow ministers aren’t ministers. Who cares what they do.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 16, 2023 7:47:41 GMT
Terrible day for the left Yes, and it was a much, much worse day for the right. The flagship policy of the tory government for the last few years utterly failed.
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Post by elystokie on Nov 16, 2023 7:48:01 GMT
Terrible day for the left Ah well, I suppose the government have all day today to make it a good one, I'm sure they'll manage, they do most days.
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Post by satoshi on Nov 16, 2023 7:48:32 GMT
Terrible day for the left Yes, and it was a much, much worse day for the right. The flagship policy of the tory government for the last few years utterly failed. The tories are left too.
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Post by satoshi on Nov 16, 2023 7:49:07 GMT
Terrible day for the left Ah well, I suppose the government have all day today to make it a good one, I'm sure they'll manage, they do most days. Cry harder mate. Christ. Just take it like a man.
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