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Post by gawa on Oct 6, 2023 8:26:04 GMT
Big win in Scotland. Low turnout so can’t read much into it, but still a big win. Seat has been Labour more than it's been any other party. And the candidate who won got less votes than the Labour candidate who lost last election. 40% drop in turnout from last election. Wouldn't read too much into it. While it's great to see torys losing seats. I see no joy in Labour gaining from a further left SNP.
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 6, 2023 8:49:15 GMT
Big win in Scotland. Low turnout so can’t read much into it, but still a big win. The biggest asset labour have at the moment is that Labour are not the tories or the SNP. I dont believe its the Starmer effect Absolutely. But that is a monumentally large asset which may help them overturn a big majority at the next election when everyone was talking about a decade of Johnson in power after the last election. I think when Starmer starts giving his policies, it will help him because he will then lose the “he’s the same as the tories” or “we don’t know what he stands for” tags which are leveled at him currently.
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 6, 2023 8:50:29 GMT
Big win in Scotland. Low turnout so can’t read much into it, but still a big win. Seat has been Labour more than it's been any other party. And the candidate who won got less votes than the Labour candidate who lost last election. 40% drop in turnout from last election. Wouldn't read too much into it. While it's great to see torys losing seats. I see no joy in Labour gaining from a further left SNP. Yes, but you can only beat what is in front of you, and labour managed that by a greater margin than anticipated. It cannot be anything other than a good night for labour and a bad night for everyone else.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 6, 2023 8:58:49 GMT
I’m a labour voter historically, but I can’t vote for this faux son of a tool maker and a party that can’t define what a woman is. Democracy is in ruins. Faux son of a tool maker? Are you struggling to define what a man is?
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Post by satoshi on Oct 6, 2023 9:15:42 GMT
I’m a labour voter historically, but I can’t vote for this faux son of a tool maker and a party that can’t define what a woman is. Democracy is in ruins. Faux son of a tool maker? Are you struggling to define what a man is? A man doesn’t lie about his dad being a tool maker. His dad owned the factory. If you like Keir then god help you.
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Post by satoshi on Oct 6, 2023 9:17:10 GMT
I’m a labour voter historically, but I can’t vote for this faux son of a tool maker and a party that can’t define what a woman is. Democracy is in ruins. I think how well a leader runs the country is more important than culture war issues which don’t impact yours or your family’s life at all. But that’s just me. It’s all relevant when they guy running the country impacts our lives. He’s no leader.
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 6, 2023 9:31:21 GMT
I think how well a leader runs the country is more important than culture war issues which don’t impact yours or your family’s life at all. But that’s just me. It’s all relevant when they guy running the country impacts our lives. He’s no leader. How does the fact politicians don’t want to get into a debate about the definition of a woman impact you day to day?
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Post by satoshi on Oct 6, 2023 9:32:56 GMT
It’s all relevant when they guy running the country impacts our lives. He’s no leader. How does the fact politicians don’t want to get into a debate about the definition of a woman impact you day to day? How can you run a country if you can’t answer a simple question?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 6, 2023 9:39:52 GMT
The biggest asset labour have at the moment is that Labour are not the tories or the SNP. I dont believe its the Starmer effect Absolutely. But that is a monumentally large asset which may help them overturn a big majority at the next election when everyone was talking about a decade of Johnson in power after the last election. I think when Starmer starts giving his policies, it will help him because he will then lose the “he’s the same as the tories” or “we don’t know what he stands for” tags which are leveled at him currently. The tags are true though. Constantly changing his mind. Total lack of decisiveness on anything. Very hard to see how they are different to the current lot. Because we don't actually have a fiscally conservative govt anymore. He's got no where to go with taxes. The money has all been wasted by the current lot so they'll be just as bad. And he'll make the culture wars started by progressives even worse as the idiot refuses to define a woman properly. This idea that conservatives are the reason for culture wars is utterly ridiculous. A real time switch and bait. One day you'll be glad some had the balls to stand up to this gender, define how you feel today nonsense that's confusing the shyte out of kids. Teach them biology and reality not feelings or main streaming the issues that an infinitely small %age of the worlds population has. And don't forget labour left us potless like this lot last time they had a bash. Labour represent North London lovies mostly. Red Wall my arse. And to cap it all Angela Rayner as deputy PM. The one who claims to be accepting and diverse in her outlook in life yet walks around in a fuck the tories t shirt. Z list, and that's what we get to run our country. Spoil your ballot and send a message to these morons that none of them are electable. And forget this vote green or lib dem rubbish because they support PR. Imagine either of those running this country. I mean imagine that with a war looming 😆 The greens asking putin to promise not to bomb us and we'll unilaterally dismantle our war heads 😆 Just my opinion anyway. Convince me otherwise if you like.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 6, 2023 9:44:38 GMT
Faux son of a tool maker? Are you struggling to define what a man is? A man doesn’t lie about his dad being a tool maker. His dad owned the factory. If you like Keir then god help you. What's the evidence that his dad owned a factory?
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Post by satoshi on Oct 6, 2023 9:49:46 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 6, 2023 9:59:01 GMT
How does the fact politicians don’t want to get into a debate about the definition of a woman impact you day to day? How can you run a country if you can’t answer a simple question? You can. You haven’t answered my simplest question so clearly you aren’t cut out to run the country by your standards!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 6, 2023 10:05:33 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 6, 2023 10:15:30 GMT
Absolutely. But that is a monumentally large asset which may help them overturn a big majority at the next election when everyone was talking about a decade of Johnson in power after the last election. I think when Starmer starts giving his policies, it will help him because he will then lose the “he’s the same as the tories” or “we don’t know what he stands for” tags which are leveled at him currently. The tags are true though. Constantly changing his mind. Total lack of decisiveness on anything. Very hard to see how they are different to the current lot. Because we don't actually have a fiscally conservative govt anymore. He's got no where to go with taxes. The money has all been wasted by the current lot so they'll be just as bad. And he'll make the culture wars started by progressives even worse as the idiot refuses to define a woman properly. This idea that conservatives are the reason for culture wars is utterly ridiculous. A real time switch and bait. One day you'll be glad some had the balls to stand up to this gender, define how you feel today nonsense that's confusing the shyte out of kids. Teach them biology and reality not feelings or main streaming the issues that an infinitely small %age of the worlds population has. And don't forget labour left us potless like this lot last time they had a bash. Labour represent North London lovies mostly. Red Wall my arse. And to cap it all Angela Rayner as deputy PM. The one who claims to be accepting and diverse in her outlook in life yet walks around in a fuck the tories t shirt. Z list, and that's what we get to run our country. Spoil your ballot and send a message to these morons that none of them are electable. And forget this vote green or lib dem rubbish because they support PR. Imagine either of those running this country. I mean imagine that with a war looming 😆 The greens asking putin to promise not to bomb us and we'll unilaterally dismantle our war heads 😆 Just my opinion anyway. Convince me otherwise if you like. I think it would be utterly negligent of him to say: I was elected leader to the party in April 2020 and so what I said then has to apply if I get elected in late 2024 regardless as to what has happened in the meantime. And an awful lot has happened. In fact, if he has no policies, how can it be correct that he is U turning on policies that don’t exist? How can a leader of the opposition U turn anyway. Everything he says now is irrelevant because it doesn’t matter what he would do because he can’t do it. As for culture wars, it is the tories that keep bringing up 15 minute cities, gender issues, xenophobic rubbish about immigrants, lies about the human rights act etc. did you not follow the coverage of the tory conference? That’s all there was, other than banning smoking, cancelling HS2 and binning A levels. It was culture war after culture war. Labour keep talking about the cost of living crisis. Or inflation. Or housing shortages etc I absolutely agree that Starmer is very policy light at the moment. So he should be. If he announced his manifesto now, the tories would just steal the best ideas for their own. But the ones he has announced are different to the tories. VAT of private school fees and a nationalised green energy company are two good examples. I want Starmer to be bolder and less cautious. I also don’t want him to ruin an amazing opportunity to rid the country of the worst government we have ever had. The polling data suggests labour are doing very well compared to the tories. Therefore when the election is actually called and the parties release their manifestos, I am hoping Starmer’s will be bold enough to make sure he has the biggest party. I won’t vote for labour (I am in a lib dem v tory seat, so definitely voting lib dem). I never have voted labour. I don’t think Starmer is amazing or even good necessarily. But I would much prefer labour to a tory government next time around. The tories have had their chance over the last 13 years and basically everything in this country is worse (apart from our national football team!). They have messed it up appallingly and brought new depths to scandal and corruption in politics to this country. Quite frankly, unless you a multimillionaire with contacts in the tory party so you are being awarded these lucrative government contracts, there is no good reason to vote tory. The best reason to vote labour right now is because they are not the tories. The best reason to vote lib dem, green or possibly reform is because they want to abandon first past the post and bring in a form of proportional voting so that we end the duopoly of tory and labour and we can actually vote for who we want without it being largely pointless.
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Post by phileetin on Oct 6, 2023 10:19:48 GMT
apparently the BDA say the additional cash is about 200 million short to do the job , they say they will be losing money with what is on offer.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 6, 2023 10:27:30 GMT
If the whole story of his dad owning a factory is based on this paragraph then it is flimsy as hell. "But the myth is exploded by the reports from multiple sources, which Starmer has never challenged or corrected, that his father owned the factory in which he worked – and even if not, in those days a family with two earners would have been able to afford bills, even in Surrey." The "multiple sources" I can find appear to be: Former deputy chairman of the Conservative Party Lord Ashcroft: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9680091/King-Middle-Class-Radicals.htmlThe Morning Star: morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/labour-fables-sir-keir-visits-the-prolesNone of the three stories have any quote from a primary source (either on record or anonymous), and I can't see any explanation from the author how they would know such information. And there's no record the company (Oxted Tools Co) in Companies House, although that doesn't implicitly rule it out as apparently if he was a sole trader then he wouldn't have need to be registered with Companies House.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 6, 2023 10:31:28 GMT
The tags are true though. Constantly changing his mind. Total lack of decisiveness on anything. Very hard to see how they are different to the current lot. Because we don't actually have a fiscally conservative govt anymore. He's got no where to go with taxes. The money has all been wasted by the current lot so they'll be just as bad. And he'll make the culture wars started by progressives even worse as the idiot refuses to define a woman properly. This idea that conservatives are the reason for culture wars is utterly ridiculous. A real time switch and bait. One day you'll be glad some had the balls to stand up to this gender, define how you feel today nonsense that's confusing the shyte out of kids. Teach them biology and reality not feelings or main streaming the issues that an infinitely small %age of the worlds population has. And don't forget labour left us potless like this lot last time they had a bash. Labour represent North London lovies mostly. Red Wall my arse. And to cap it all Angela Rayner as deputy PM. The one who claims to be accepting and diverse in her outlook in life yet walks around in a fuck the tories t shirt. Z list, and that's what we get to run our country. Spoil your ballot and send a message to these morons that none of them are electable. And forget this vote green or lib dem rubbish because they support PR. Imagine either of those running this country. I mean imagine that with a war looming 😆 The greens asking putin to promise not to bomb us and we'll unilaterally dismantle our war heads 😆 Just my opinion anyway. Convince me otherwise if you like. I think it would be utterly negligent of him to say: I was elected leader to the party in April 2020 and so what I said then has to apply if I get elected in late 2024 regardless as to what has happened in the meantime. And an awful lot has happened. In fact, if he has no policies, how can it be correct that he is U turning on policies that don’t exist? How can a leader of the opposition U turn anyway. Everything he says now is irrelevant because it doesn’t matter what he would do because he can’t do it. As for culture wars, it is the tories that keep bringing up 15 minute cities, gender issues, xenophobic rubbish about immigrants, lies about the human rights act etc. did you not follow the coverage of the tory conference? That’s all there was, other than banning smoking, cancelling HS2 and binning A levels. It was culture war after culture war. Labour keep talking about the cost of living crisis. Or inflation. Or housing shortages etc I absolutely agree that Starmer is very policy light at the moment. So he should be. If he announced his manifesto now, the tories would just steal the best ideas for their own. But the ones he has announced are different to the tories. VAT of private school fees and a nationalised green energy company are two good examples. I want Starmer to be bolder and less cautious. I also don’t want him to ruin an amazing opportunity to rid the country of the worst government we have ever had. The polling data suggests labour are doing very well compared to the tories. Therefore when the election is actually called and the parties release their manifestos, I am hoping Starmer’s will be bold enough to make sure he has the biggest party. I won’t vote for labour (I am in a lib dem v tory seat, so definitely voting lib dem). I never have voted labour. I don’t think Starmer is amazing or even good necessarily. But I would much prefer labour to a tory government next time around. The tories have had their chance over the last 13 years and basically everything in this country is worse (apart from our national football team!). They have messed it up appallingly and brought new depths to scandal and corruption in politics to this country. Quite frankly, unless you a multimillionaire with contracts in the tory party so you are being awarded these lucrative government contracts, there is no good reason to vote tory. The best reason to vote labour right now is because they are not the tories. The best reason to vote lib dem, green or possibly reform is because they want to abandon first past the post and bring in a form of proportional voting so that we end the duopoly of tory and labour and we can actually vote for who we want without it being largely pointless. We'll have to agree to differ mostly then which is fine. But in my opinion one thing we must never do is vote for someone because they'll be a tiny bit less shit. And good luck with his private school reform. Cant wait to see where the exodus of kids from private schools end up. The state system is on its knees as it is. If PR really is popular then we as a country should bloody well demand it regardless of who is currently in power. We request a referendum on it. Personally I think it would be good because it would promote more cross party compliance. And that's what we desperately need. Stop this division and my side best shyte. They are all terrible lets be honest.
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Post by wannabee on Oct 6, 2023 10:41:13 GMT
Your source "Skwawkbox" is impeccable but complete Bullshit The conspiracy theory originated from Tory Peer Lord Ashcroft who wrote a Biography called Red Knight on Starmer in an attempt to find dirt, there wasn't any. The best Ashcroft could come up with was that Starmers Father Rodney worked as an Independent Self-employed Toolmaker and he grew up in a 3 Bedroom Semidetached House which his parents owned via a Mortgage There are people of a certain type who have a world view that accepts any cockamamie Conspiracy Theory due to an inability to have Independent critical thinking Even The Torygraph in its review of Ashcrofts book panned it and had this to say. With Red Knight, Michael Ashcroft tries to find dirt on Starmer, but all he unearths is a decent, hardworking man and a bit of a bore www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/red-knight-lord-ashcroft-review-keir-starmer-bore/
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 6, 2023 10:48:15 GMT
I think it would be utterly negligent of him to say: I was elected leader to the party in April 2020 and so what I said then has to apply if I get elected in late 2024 regardless as to what has happened in the meantime. And an awful lot has happened. In fact, if he has no policies, how can it be correct that he is U turning on policies that don’t exist? How can a leader of the opposition U turn anyway. Everything he says now is irrelevant because it doesn’t matter what he would do because he can’t do it. As for culture wars, it is the tories that keep bringing up 15 minute cities, gender issues, xenophobic rubbish about immigrants, lies about the human rights act etc. did you not follow the coverage of the tory conference? That’s all there was, other than banning smoking, cancelling HS2 and binning A levels. It was culture war after culture war. Labour keep talking about the cost of living crisis. Or inflation. Or housing shortages etc I absolutely agree that Starmer is very policy light at the moment. So he should be. If he announced his manifesto now, the tories would just steal the best ideas for their own. But the ones he has announced are different to the tories. VAT of private school fees and a nationalised green energy company are two good examples. I want Starmer to be bolder and less cautious. I also don’t want him to ruin an amazing opportunity to rid the country of the worst government we have ever had. The polling data suggests labour are doing very well compared to the tories. Therefore when the election is actually called and the parties release their manifestos, I am hoping Starmer’s will be bold enough to make sure he has the biggest party. I won’t vote for labour (I am in a lib dem v tory seat, so definitely voting lib dem). I never have voted labour. I don’t think Starmer is amazing or even good necessarily. But I would much prefer labour to a tory government next time around. The tories have had their chance over the last 13 years and basically everything in this country is worse (apart from our national football team!). They have messed it up appallingly and brought new depths to scandal and corruption in politics to this country. Quite frankly, unless you a multimillionaire with contracts in the tory party so you are being awarded these lucrative government contracts, there is no good reason to vote tory. The best reason to vote labour right now is because they are not the tories. The best reason to vote lib dem, green or possibly reform is because they want to abandon first past the post and bring in a form of proportional voting so that we end the duopoly of tory and labour and we can actually vote for who we want without it being largely pointless. We'll have to agree to differ mostly then which is fine. But in my opinion one thing we must never do is vote for someone because they'll be a tiny bit less shit. And good luck with his private school reform. Cant wait to see where the exodus of kids from private schools end up. The state system is on its knees as it is. If PR really is popular then we as a country should bloody well demand it regardless of who is currently in power. We request a referendum on it. Personally I think it would be good because it would promote more cross party compliance. And that's what we desperately need. Stop this division and my side best shyte. They are all terrible lets be honest. Well, we did have a referendum on PR during the coalition and nobody backed it sadly (I did). I totally agree about working together more. I totally disagree that having something less shit than something else isn’t an improvement. It is by definition. So if the tories are very shit and labour is just shit, shit is better than very shit. But the tories have hd their chance and we know they are very shit. As there is no other option, why not see if labour can just be shit, which would still be an improvement. You never know, they may be even better than that and be rubbish, or even OK! Not a ringing endorsement of our politics, I know.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 6, 2023 12:34:47 GMT
We'll have to agree to differ mostly then which is fine. But in my opinion one thing we must never do is vote for someone because they'll be a tiny bit less shit. And good luck with his private school reform. Cant wait to see where the exodus of kids from private schools end up. The state system is on its knees as it is. If PR really is popular then we as a country should bloody well demand it regardless of who is currently in power. We request a referendum on it. Personally I think it would be good because it would promote more cross party compliance. And that's what we desperately need. Stop this division and my side best shyte. They are all terrible lets be honest. Well, we did have a referendum on PR during the coalition and nobody backed it sadly (I did). I totally agree about working together more. I totally disagree that having something less shit than something else isn’t an improvement. It is by definition. So if the tories are very shit and labour is just shit, shit is better than very shit. But the tories have hd their chance and we know they are very shit. As there is no other option, why not see if labour can just be shit, which would still be an improvement. You never know, they may be even better than that and be rubbish, or even OK! Not a ringing endorsement of our politics, I know. What a sign of the times. America votes in someone knocking on heavens door because quite frankly they'd vote Kermit the frog in before Trump. And we vote in Starmer and Rayner because it'll be a slight improvement on the bullshit we've got. I'm rapidly losing the will to even be bothered at this point.
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 6, 2023 12:53:44 GMT
I think it would be utterly negligent of him to say: I was elected leader to the party in April 2020 and so what I said then has to apply if I get elected in late 2024 regardless as to what has happened in the meantime. And an awful lot has happened. In fact, if he has no policies, how can it be correct that he is U turning on policies that don’t exist? How can a leader of the opposition U turn anyway. Everything he says now is irrelevant because it doesn’t matter what he would do because he can’t do it. As for culture wars, it is the tories that keep bringing up 15 minute cities, gender issues, xenophobic rubbish about immigrants, lies about the human rights act etc. did you not follow the coverage of the tory conference? That’s all there was, other than banning smoking, cancelling HS2 and binning A levels. It was culture war after culture war. Labour keep talking about the cost of living crisis. Or inflation. Or housing shortages etc I absolutely agree that Starmer is very policy light at the moment. So he should be. If he announced his manifesto now, the tories would just steal the best ideas for their own. But the ones he has announced are different to the tories. VAT of private school fees and a nationalised green energy company are two good examples. I want Starmer to be bolder and less cautious. I also don’t want him to ruin an amazing opportunity to rid the country of the worst government we have ever had. The polling data suggests labour are doing very well compared to the tories. Therefore when the election is actually called and the parties release their manifestos, I am hoping Starmer’s will be bold enough to make sure he has the biggest party. I won’t vote for labour (I am in a lib dem v tory seat, so definitely voting lib dem). I never have voted labour. I don’t think Starmer is amazing or even good necessarily. But I would much prefer labour to a tory government next time around. The tories have had their chance over the last 13 years and basically everything in this country is worse (apart from our national football team!). They have messed it up appallingly and brought new depths to scandal and corruption in politics to this country. Quite frankly, unless you a multimillionaire with contracts in the tory party so you are being awarded these lucrative government contracts, there is no good reason to vote tory. The best reason to vote labour right now is because they are not the tories. The best reason to vote lib dem, green or possibly reform is because they want to abandon first past the post and bring in a form of proportional voting so that we end the duopoly of tory and labour and we can actually vote for who we want without it being largely pointless. We'll have to agree to differ mostly then which is fine. But in my opinion one thing we must never do is vote for someone because they'll be a tiny bit less shit. And good luck with his private school reform. Cant wait to see where the exodus of kids from private schools end up. The state system is on its knees as it is. If PR really is popular then we as a country should bloody well demand it regardless of who is currently in power. We request a referendum on it. Personally I think it would be good because it would promote more cross party compliance. And that's what we desperately need. Stop this division and my side best shyte. They are all terrible lets be honest. They don't do agree to disagree mate. You HAVE to agree with them or you are wrong....even though you aren't.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 6, 2023 16:49:53 GMT
I couldn’t give a flying fuck if his dads the Duke of Westminster / factory owner or road sweeper
The fact is his integrity is lower than a rattlesnake’s belly button
The man’s a complete utter charlatan
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 6, 2023 16:54:35 GMT
I couldn’t give a flying fuck if his dads the Duke of Westminster / factory owner or road sweeper The fact is his integrity is lower than a rattlesnake’s belly button The man’s a complete utter charlatan It always makes me chuckle that you never seem to get quite so vexed by the likes of Boris Johnson, Sunak, Robert Jenrick, Nadhim Zahawi, Michael Gove etc etc yet they are all far worse than anything you'll see from Starmer! 40% of that list have been convicted of an offence while in office ffs How many of the current parliamentary Conservative Party are under investigation and/or have broken the ministerial code?
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 6, 2023 17:12:07 GMT
I couldn’t give a flying fuck if his dads the Duke of Westminster / factory owner or road sweeper The fact is his integrity is lower than a rattlesnake’s belly button The man’s a complete utter charlatan It always makes me chuckle that you never seem to get quite so vexed by the likes of Boris Johnson, Sunak, Robert Jenrick, Nadhim Zahawi, Michael Gove etc etc yet they are all far worse than anything you'll see from Starmer! 40% of that list have been convicted of an offence while in office ffs How many of the current parliamentary Conservative Party are under investigation and/or have broken the ministerial code? All of the above is irrelevant to the thread It’s about starmer Your totally within your rights to judge starmer how you wish But you do yourself no good saying others are worse or just the same How about trying to prove starmer’s a man of his word It will be interesting over the next few days now sanwar has let the cat out of the bag about another euro referendum
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 6, 2023 17:17:56 GMT
It always makes me chuckle that you never seem to get quite so vexed by the likes of Boris Johnson, Sunak, Robert Jenrick, Nadhim Zahawi, Michael Gove etc etc yet they are all far worse than anything you'll see from Starmer! 40% of that list have been convicted of an offence while in office ffs How many of the current parliamentary Conservative Party are under investigation and/or have broken the ministerial code? All of the above is irrelevant to the thread It’s about starmer Your totally within your rights to judge starmer how you wish But you do yourself no good saying others are worse or just the same How about trying to prove starmer’s a man of his word It will be interesting over the next few days now sanwar has let the cat out of the bag about another euro referendum Fair enough. But indulge me, why does he annoy you so much when all of those other examples, and many more, who are actually in power, fucking up peoples' lives on a daily basis, don't?
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 6, 2023 17:23:00 GMT
All of the above is irrelevant to the thread It’s about starmer Your totally within your rights to judge starmer how you wish But you do yourself no good saying others are worse or just the same How about trying to prove starmer’s a man of his word It will be interesting over the next few days now sanwar has let the cat out of the bag about another euro referendum Fair enough. But indulge me, why does he annoy you so much when all of those other examples, and many more, who are actually in power, fucking up peoples' lives on a daily basis, don't? At least Sunak knows what a women is and doesn't take the knee like a beta cuck.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Oct 6, 2023 17:41:10 GMT
Fair enough. But indulge me, why does he annoy you so much when all of those other examples, and many more, who are actually in power, fucking up peoples' lives on a daily basis, don't? At least Sunak knows what a women is and doesn't take the knee like a beta cuck. I thought that was Boother posting then 😲
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 6, 2023 17:44:19 GMT
All of the above is irrelevant to the thread It’s about starmer Your totally within your rights to judge starmer how you wish But you do yourself no good saying others are worse or just the same How about trying to prove starmer’s a man of his word It will be interesting over the next few days now sanwar has let the cat out of the bag about another euro referendum Fair enough. But indulge me, why does he annoy you so much when all of those other examples, and many more, who are actually in power, fucking up peoples' lives on a daily basis, don't? I don’t overly disagree with. your opinions of many of the names you mentioned above But in my opinion they are basically yesterday’s men Starmer and his lickspittle cronies appear to be the future I’ve always been more concerned about the future than the past Do you think starmer’s a man of integrity
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Post by wannabee on Oct 6, 2023 18:00:15 GMT
I couldn’t give a flying fuck if his dads the Duke of Westminster / factory owner or road sweeper The fact is his integrity is lower than a rattlesnake’s belly button The man’s a complete utter charlatan It's funny you should mention this because another of the "revelations" in Ashcroft''s biography of Starmer was that apparently Starmer's parents once had a photograph taken with the Duke of Kent, although the circumstances are not explained 👀
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Post by gawa on Oct 6, 2023 18:40:16 GMT
Your source "Skwawkbox" is impeccable but complete Bullshit The conspiracy theory originated from Tory Peer Lord Ashcroft who wrote a Biography called Red Knight on Starmer in an attempt to find dirt, there wasn't any. The best Ashcroft could come up with was that Starmers Father Rodney worked as an Independent Self-employed Toolmaker and he grew up in a 3 Bedroom Semidetached House which his parents owned via a Mortgage There are people of a certain type who have a world view that accepts any cockamamie Conspiracy Theory due to an inability to have Independent critical thinking Even The Torygraph in its review of Ashcrofts book panned it and had this to say. With Red Knight, Michael Ashcroft tries to find dirt on Starmer, but all he unearths is a decent, hardworking man and a bit of a bore www.telegraph.co.uk/books/what-to-read/red-knight-lord-ashcroft-review-keir-starmer-bore/Surprised they haven't made up stuff about him. Murdoch empire and the bbc were very capable at doing that to the last Labour leader. If there's no dirt, fake or real, hitting the headlines then that's reason enough to be concerned. Starmer is Murdochs boy.
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