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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 6, 2020 10:19:15 GMT
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 6, 2020 10:35:31 GMT
So if I can summarise what I think you are saying it is this:- Under instructions from the WHO medical practicioners are murdering care home residents to create an illusion of a global pandemic. The principle beneficiaries of this are:- China - who will fill the gaps created by the economic carnage; Google/Apple - who will be given carte blanche to monitor the moves of every citizen world wide and ; Bill Gates who will get rich on the back of a vaccine for a virus that doesn't exist. All aided and abetted by the BBC? ' So what you're saying is ...' Let's keep it simple - Justify this lockdown!!! I'm all ears... Oh, and have a listen to one of the few questioning doctors not yet entirely removed from ewe choob. This is just his latest one. Lockdowns can be justified epidemiologically. Generally those who went hard and early like NZ or Greece did well - those who went late and loose or didn't bother - UK, Sweden, Brazil - did not. I watched your vid - thanks - didn't say much really other than point out a few inconsistencies (like there weren't going to be any in a global pandimec) winked at the camera and said "Join the dots guys!" without ever saying who or why. Are you sure it wasn't a piss take? Now - I've answered your question. Can I therefore refer you back to my previous question and can you answer mine? Ie Who's behind it? How are they getting medical practicioners to falsify records on a global scale to fake the virus? What's in it for them? What's their end game? Time to either piss or get off the pot.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 6, 2020 10:56:12 GMT
Maybe wear one at the pub. You can fit a pint glass underneath, no problem. What bollocks it is. Is there anything you don't think is a conspiracy? How much contradiction, misinformation, arbitrary rules, nonsensical exceptions, manipulation of stats does it take to engage critical faculties and ask questions? You clearly have more faith than me. Even the guy who gave us this lockdown with his computer game doesn't obviously believe it...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 6, 2020 10:56:45 GMT
Coronavirus may have lain dormant across the world and emerged when environmental conditions were right for it to thrive - rather than starting in China, an Oxford University expert believes. "I think the virus was already here, here meaning everywhere. We may be seeing a dormant virus that has been activated by environmental conditions." Dr Jefferson believes that the virus may be transmitted through the sewage system or shared toilet facilities, not just through droplets expelled by talking, coughing and sneezing. Exploring why so many outbreaks happen at food factories and meatpacking plants could uncover major new transmission routes, they believe. It may be shared toilet facilities coupled with cool conditions that allow the virus to thrive. "There is quite a lot of evidence that there is huge amounts of the virus in sewage all over the place, and an increasing amount of evidence there is faecal transmission. There is a high concentration where sewage is four degrees, which is the ideal temperature for it to be stabled and presumably activated. And meatpacking plants are often at four degrees. "These meat packing clusters and isolated outbreaks don’t fit with respiratory theory, they fit with people who haven’t washed their hands properly. "These outbreaks need to be investigated properly with people on the ground one by one. You need to do what John Snow did. You question people, and you start constructing hypotheses that fit the facts, not the other way around." www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/05/covid-19-may-not-have-originated-china-elsewhere-emerged-asia/
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 6, 2020 11:06:07 GMT
Coronavirus may have lain dormant across the world and emerged when environmental conditions were right for it to thrive - rather than starting in China, an Oxford University expert believes. "I think the virus was already here, here meaning everywhere. We may be seeing a dormant virus that has been activated by environmental conditions." Dr Jefferson believes that the virus may be transmitted through the sewage system or shared toilet facilities, not just through droplets expelled by talking, coughing and sneezing. Exploring why so many outbreaks happen at food factories and meatpacking plants could uncover major new transmission routes, they believe. It may be shared toilet facilities coupled with cool conditions that allow the virus to thrive. "There is quite a lot of evidence that huge amounts of the virus in sewage all over the place, and an increasing amount of evidence there is faecal transmission. There is a high concentration where sewage is four degrees, which is the ideal temperature for it to be stabled and presumably activated. And meatpacking plants are often at four degrees. "These meat packing clusters and isolated outbreaks don’t fit with respiratory theory, they fit with people who haven’t washed their hands properly. "These outbreaks need to be investigated properly with people on the ground one by one. You need to do what John Snow did. You question people, and you start constructing hypotheses that fit the facts, not the other way around." www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/05/covid-19-may-not-have-originated-china-elsewhere-emerged-asia/Intersting that the focus on meat packing in particular. Chilled food supply chain has to be between +1 and +5 and there are literally hundreds of warehouses and stores at that temperatute up and down the country.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 6, 2020 11:09:14 GMT
Is there anything you don't think is a conspiracy? How much contradiction, misinformation, arbitrary rules, nonsensical exceptions, manipulation of stats does it take to engage critical faculties and ask questions? You clearly have more faith than me. Even the guy who gave us this lockdown with his computer game doesn't obviously believe it... But there are millions of people all over the world asking questions about the contradictions, misinformation, arbitrary rules, nonsensical exceptions and the manipulation of stats but very few of them believe that there's a world wide conspiracy taking place. Even though you've been repeatedly asked to explain HOW government's benefit by crashing their own economies, in order to gain more control of it's people, you don't provide an answer.
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Post by OldStokie on Jul 6, 2020 11:14:03 GMT
So if I can summarise what I think you are saying it is this:- Under instructions from the WHO medical practicioners are murdering care home residents to create an illusion of a global pandemic. The principle beneficiaries of this are:- China - who will fill the gaps created by the economic carnage; Google/Apple - who will be given carte blanche to monitor the moves of every citizen world wide and ; Bill Gates who will get rich on the back of a vaccine for a virus that doesn't exist. All aided and abetted by the BBC? ' So what you're saying is ...' Let's keep it simple - Justify this lockdown!!! I'm all ears... Oh, and have a listen to one of the few questioning doctors not yet entirely removed from ewe choob. This is just his latest one. How I hate smug bastards like this bloke. He uses the classic deflection technique of throwing in a few truths to mask his bullshit. I'm all for reasoned debate but I baulk at pseudo-intellectuals attempting to set the agenda. I recall a certain Andrew Wakefield and a few of his ilk telling the world that the MMR vaccine was responsible for autism. As a (not very good) student of Orwell and his predictions and insight into a Dystopian World, I'm always on the lookout for manipulators of the masses. It exists. It's happening now. But as far as this damned virus is concerned, if the bloke in the video thinks Covid is part of a Dystopian plan to control us then he needs to be taken (in his armchair) and settled into an ICU at any hospital and spout his crap there. With a bit of luck and spoonful of the virus he might change his mind. Grrrr! OS.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 6, 2020 11:47:44 GMT
How much contradiction, misinformation, arbitrary rules, nonsensical exceptions, manipulation of stats does it take to engage critical faculties and ask questions? You clearly have more faith than me. Even the guy who gave us this lockdown with his computer game doesn't obviously believe it... But there are millions of people all over the world asking questions about the contradictions, misinformation, arbitrary rules, nonsensical exceptions and the manipulation of stats but very few of them believe that there's a world wide conspiracy taking place. Even though you've been repeatedly asked to explain HOW government's benefit by crashing their own economies, in order to gain more control of it's people, you don't provide an answer. I've said before that attemping to establish motives are conjecture by their very essence. No different than being in court. But this should not prevent people questioning narrative and information. It's simply enough to retain some skepticism about information that makes no sense, and data that is open to manipulation. People also wish to throw together the looniest elements of society to tarnish all. As for economic crashes, throughout history there have always been those at the top who stand to gain from them, particularly those with foreknowledge. Those further down are the ones who bear the brunt and find their lives less under their own control.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 6, 2020 11:57:05 GMT
But there are millions of people all over the world asking questions about the contradictions, misinformation, arbitrary rules, nonsensical exceptions and the manipulation of stats but very few of them believe that there's a world wide conspiracy taking place. Even though you've been repeatedly asked to explain HOW government's benefit by crashing their own economies, in order to gain more control of it's people, you don't provide an answer. I've said before that attemping to establish motives are conjecture by their very essence. No different than being in court. But this should not prevent people questioning narrative and information. It's simply enough to retain some skepticism about information that makes no sense, and data that is open to manipulation. People also wish to throw together the looniest elements of society to tarnish all. As for economic crashes, throughout history there have always been those at the top who stand to gain from them, particularly those with foreknowledge. Those further down are the ones who bear the brunt and find their lives less under their own control. But there are people questioning narratives and information, all over the world but they're not doing so because they believe there's a conspiracy at play. Why do you believe it's about the government wanting more control of it's people than it is about health? What do they stand to gain from it?
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Post by OldStokie on Jul 6, 2020 11:58:39 GMT
But there are millions of people all over the world asking questions about the contradictions, misinformation, arbitrary rules, nonsensical exceptions and the manipulation of stats but very few of them believe that there's a world wide conspiracy taking place. Even though you've been repeatedly asked to explain HOW government's benefit by crashing their own economies, in order to gain more control of it's people, you don't provide an answer. I've said before that attemping to establish motives are conjecture by their very essence. No different than being in court. But this should not prevent people questioning narrative and information. It's simply enough to retain some skepticism about information that makes no sense, and data that is open to manipulation. People also wish to throw together the looniest elements of society to tarnish all. As for economic crashes, throughout history there have always been those at the top who stand to gain from them, particularly those with foreknowledge. Those further down are the ones who bear the brunt and find their lives less under their own control. Nothing I would disagree with there. Scepticism is good. It provides balance to those who take everything as gospel. And you're right when you say people will make money out of this pandemic. Look no further than those in the government and their friends. I wouldn't trust the bastards as far as I could spit and I'm also sure some will be using it to further their ideology, but I balk at anyone saying this virus is a tool for world dominance of the masses, simply because there are easier tools than a damned virus. OS.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 6, 2020 12:19:57 GMT
Coronavirus may have lain dormant across the world and emerged when environmental conditions were right for it to thrive - rather than starting in China, an Oxford University expert believes. "I think the virus was already here, here meaning everywhere. We may be seeing a dormant virus that has been activated by environmental conditions." Dr Jefferson believes that the virus may be transmitted through the sewage system or shared toilet facilities, not just through droplets expelled by talking, coughing and sneezing. Exploring why so many outbreaks happen at food factories and meatpacking plants could uncover major new transmission routes, they believe. It may be shared toilet facilities coupled with cool conditions that allow the virus to thrive. "There is quite a lot of evidence that there is huge amounts of the virus in sewage all over the place, and an increasing amount of evidence there is faecal transmission. There is a high concentration where sewage is four degrees, which is the ideal temperature for it to be stabled and presumably activated. And meatpacking plants are often at four degrees. "These meat packing clusters and isolated outbreaks don’t fit with respiratory theory, they fit with people who haven’t washed their hands properly. "These outbreaks need to be investigated properly with people on the ground one by one. You need to do what John Snow did. You question people, and you start constructing hypotheses that fit the facts, not the other way around." www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/05/covid-19-may-not-have-originated-china-elsewhere-emerged-asia/The Western Samoa bit in that is completely wrong, the flu was brought to Samoa by a ship SS Talune. (I am reading the Standard reprint of it, in case it doesn’t mention it here) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_TaluneI’ve not seen the sewage evidence suggesting “huge” viral content either. There’s a lot of kickback to this article online. The Spanish samples were conducted without a negative control for contamination and only 1 PCR test came up positive and that was very very high CT on the PCR. Above the level at which you’d consider retesting. Seems a reach to me. Slaugtherhouses and meat packing facilities have far more consistent evidence than sewage.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 6, 2020 12:28:59 GMT
Coronavirus may have lain dormant across the world and emerged when environmental conditions were right for it to thrive - rather than starting in China, an Oxford University expert believes. "I think the virus was already here, here meaning everywhere. We may be seeing a dormant virus that has been activated by environmental conditions." Dr Jefferson believes that the virus may be transmitted through the sewage system or shared toilet facilities, not just through droplets expelled by talking, coughing and sneezing. Exploring why so many outbreaks happen at food factories and meatpacking plants could uncover major new transmission routes, they believe. It may be shared toilet facilities coupled with cool conditions that allow the virus to thrive. "There is quite a lot of evidence that there is huge amounts of the virus in sewage all over the place, and an increasing amount of evidence there is faecal transmission. There is a high concentration where sewage is four degrees, which is the ideal temperature for it to be stabled and presumably activated. And meatpacking plants are often at four degrees. "These meat packing clusters and isolated outbreaks don’t fit with respiratory theory, they fit with people who haven’t washed their hands properly. "These outbreaks need to be investigated properly with people on the ground one by one. You need to do what John Snow did. You question people, and you start constructing hypotheses that fit the facts, not the other way around." www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/05/covid-19-may-not-have-originated-china-elsewhere-emerged-asia/That's very interesting. Last year there were three people I work with who were off sick with a "nasty flu-like illness" around late Summer all of whom you would probably now say had symptoms of coronavirus, especially feeling utterly wiped out and difficulty in breathing. Fortunately, these were all relatively young and healthy and all made a full recovery. On the subject of 'activation' of the virus, that's a distinct possibility. David Wallace-Wells's book The Uninhabitable Earth, essentially about climate change (another global conspiracy, obviously!) postulates that as temperatures rise, the likelihood of new diseases emerging also increases and is, in fact, extremely likely. Not necessarily entirely new organisms, but ones which were previously not a threat now becoming more dangerous.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 6, 2020 12:32:28 GMT
Coronavirus may have lain dormant across the world and emerged when environmental conditions were right for it to thrive - rather than starting in China, an Oxford University expert believes. "I think the virus was already here, here meaning everywhere. We may be seeing a dormant virus that has been activated by environmental conditions." Dr Jefferson believes that the virus may be transmitted through the sewage system or shared toilet facilities, not just through droplets expelled by talking, coughing and sneezing. Exploring why so many outbreaks happen at food factories and meatpacking plants could uncover major new transmission routes, they believe. It may be shared toilet facilities coupled with cool conditions that allow the virus to thrive. "There is quite a lot of evidence that there is huge amounts of the virus in sewage all over the place, and an increasing amount of evidence there is faecal transmission. There is a high concentration where sewage is four degrees, which is the ideal temperature for it to be stabled and presumably activated. And meatpacking plants are often at four degrees. "These meat packing clusters and isolated outbreaks don’t fit with respiratory theory, they fit with people who haven’t washed their hands properly. "These outbreaks need to be investigated properly with people on the ground one by one. You need to do what John Snow did. You question people, and you start constructing hypotheses that fit the facts, not the other way around." www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/05/covid-19-may-not-have-originated-china-elsewhere-emerged-asia/ The Western Samoa bit in that is completely wrong, the flu was brought to Samoa by a ship SS Talune. (I am reading the Standard reprint of it, in case it doesn’t mention it here) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_TaluneI’ve not seen the sewage evidence suggesting “huge” viral content either. There’s a lot of kickback to this article online. The Spanish samples were conducted without a negative control for contamination and only 1 PCR test came up positive and that was very very high CT on the PCR. Above the level at which you’d consider retesting. Seems a reach to me. When he presents something like this as 'evidence' to support his theories, you do wonder why he didn't bother to fact check it first, especially when it's so easy to do. As a result, his other theories immediately become less credible, even if they actually do carry some merit.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 6, 2020 12:53:03 GMT
I've said before that attemping to establish motives are conjecture by their very essence. No different than being in court. But this should not prevent people questioning narrative and information. It's simply enough to retain some skepticism about information that makes no sense, and data that is open to manipulation. People also wish to throw together the looniest elements of society to tarnish all. As for economic crashes, throughout history there have always been those at the top who stand to gain from them, particularly those with foreknowledge. Those further down are the ones who bear the brunt and find their lives less under their own control. Nothing I would disagree with there. Scepticism is good. It provides balance to those who take everything as gospel. And you're right when you say people will make money out of this pandemic. Look no further than those in the government and their friends. I wouldn't trust the bastards as far as I could spit and I'm also sure some will be using it to further their ideology, but I balk at anyone saying this virus is a tool for world dominance of the masses, simply because there are easier tools than a damned virus. OS. What you have to remember is that Bond declined to kill Blofeld at the end of SPECTRE. Where is he now? No-one's saying. Four years has given ample time for Quantum to be re-booted even without Mr White and 'Nine Eyes' to be back on. And like he said 'We're everywhere and you don't even know'. But we do need to know yet because of this hoax 'virus' the latest Bond film has not been released. Co-incidence? I think not. Censorship more like. The truth's out there Sheeple.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 6, 2020 12:54:43 GMT
Absolutely nothing to add, just wanted to start the 1,000th page....
.....bollocks
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Post by harryh157 on Jul 6, 2020 13:18:55 GMT
Absolutely nothing to add, just wanted to start the 1,000th page.... .....bollocks Unlucky......darn!
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 6, 2020 13:25:44 GMT
Absolutely nothing to add, just wanted to start the 1,000th page.... .....bollocks Unlucky......darn! Me me me.....
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 6, 2020 13:33:42 GMT
Nothing I would disagree with there. Scepticism is good. It provides balance to those who take everything as gospel. And you're right when you say people will make money out of this pandemic. Look no further than those in the government and their friends. I wouldn't trust the bastards as far as I could spit and I'm also sure some will be using it to further their ideology, but I balk at anyone saying this virus is a tool for world dominance of the masses, simply because there are easier tools than a damned virus. OS. What you have to remember is that Bond declined to kill Blofeld at the end of SPECTRE. Where is he now? No-one's saying. Four years has given ample time for Quantum to be re-booted even without Mr White and 'Nine Eyes' to be back on. And like he said 'We're everywhere and you don't even know'. But we do need to know yet because of this hoax 'virus' the latest Bond film has not been released. Co-incidence? I think not. Censorship more like. The truth's out there Sheeple. I'm more concerned if the yanks actually got bin laden
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 13:38:43 GMT
Absolutely nothing to add, just wanted to start the 1,000th page.... .....bollocks What a narcissist...... FUCK
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Post by chad on Jul 6, 2020 13:45:20 GMT
Going for it ...
Get in
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 6, 2020 14:06:22 GMT
What you have to remember is that Bond declined to kill Blofeld at the end of SPECTRE. Where is he now? No-one's saying. Four years has given ample time for Quantum to be re-booted even without Mr White and 'Nine Eyes' to be back on. And like he said 'We're everywhere and you don't even know'. But we do need to know yet because of this hoax 'virus' the latest Bond film has not been released. Co-incidence? I think not. Censorship more like. The truth's out there Sheeple. I'm more concerned if the yanks actually got bin laden They did. They had to. He knew far too much about the faked moon landings.
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Jul 6, 2020 14:11:59 GMT
I've said before that attemping to establish motives are conjecture by their very essence. No different than being in court. But this should not prevent people questioning narrative and information. It's simply enough to retain some skepticism about information that makes no sense, and data that is open to manipulation. People also wish to throw together the looniest elements of society to tarnish all. As for economic crashes, throughout history there have always been those at the top who stand to gain from them, particularly those with foreknowledge. Those further down are the ones who bear the brunt and find their lives less under their own control. But there are people questioning narratives and information, all over the world but they're not doing so because they believe there's a conspiracy at play. Why do you believe it's about the government wanting more control of it's people than it is about health? What do they stand to gain from it? I agree with this. The government is corrupt and negligent but it's not some massive conspiracy revolving around this mysterious 'control'. If they had any sort of 'control', we might have actually limited the damage this virus has done and be close to seeing the back of it.
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Post by Davef on Jul 6, 2020 14:19:57 GMT
Fair enough. I'll summarise - these lockdowns and rules are unjustified, and ultimately more about control than health. Or maybe I am mistaken and the visor worn by a hairdresser with a one foot gap at the bottom is actually doing something... So what does our government stand to gain, by having a (perceived) greater amount of control of the public at large, in exchange for choosing (your inference) to crash it's economy? Why would they even do that (deliberately)? If this isn't about health but about control, then what does this greater amount of control give them, that makes it worth destroying their own country's economy? What makes it worth it? It's certainly hard to see what the first ministers of Scotland and Wales stand to gain by their continued draconian measures in the wake of today's announcements of 4 cases and 0 deaths in Scotland (mandatory muzzles in shops in a week or so) and 8 cases and 0 deaths in Wales? Looks pretty sinister to me.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 6, 2020 14:24:54 GMT
On behalf of the 3,400 post cabal, I salute you, sir. (One for thevoid, there )
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 6, 2020 14:28:07 GMT
So what does our government stand to gain, by having a (perceived) greater amount of control of the public at large, in exchange for choosing (your inference) to crash it's economy? Why would they even do that (deliberately)? If this isn't about health but about control, then what does this greater amount of control give them, that makes it worth destroying their own country's economy? What makes it worth it? It's certainly hard to see what the first ministers of Scotland and Wales stand to gain by their continued draconian measures in the wake of today's announcements of 4 cases and 0 deaths in Scotland (mandatory muzzles in shops in a week or so) and 8 cases and 0 deaths in Wales? Looks pretty sinister to me. Playing politics? Being very cautious so it doesn't come back to bite us? I wouldn't call it sinister. At least not in the starkiller sense of the word. There may well be some politics behind it though, especially for Sturgeon who no doubt wants to be seen as doing her own thing in her own country.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jul 6, 2020 14:30:16 GMT
Has no one seen Israel's cases surging again after easing? Why on earth would countries have lockdowns or continue lockdowns for issues other than public health? I'm not saying it's not a shit show, and IF any country had been organised and prepared and had a conscientious population then they could have avoided the worst of lock down, but what's in it for them? And at what cost? A lot of the most powerful interests in the world have haemouraged money. The Bill Gates one is utterly laughable. It's true that states use every crisis to gain more control, but lockdown itself being sinister or contrived for that purpose just doesnt stand to reason.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 6, 2020 15:04:55 GMT
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Post by Davef on Jul 6, 2020 15:09:54 GMT
It's certainly hard to see what the first ministers of Scotland and Wales stand to gain by their continued draconian measures in the wake of today's announcements of 4 cases and 0 deaths in Scotland (mandatory muzzles in shops in a week or so) and 8 cases and 0 deaths in Wales? Looks pretty sinister to me. Playing politics? Being very cautious so it doesn't come back to bite us? I wouldn't call it sinister. At least not in the starkiller sense of the word. There may well be some politics behind it though, especially for Sturgeon who no doubt wants to be seen as doing her own thing in her own country. Stopping people driving more than five miles? Preventing family members from outside your own home from visiting and physical contact? Forcing people to wear masks? I'd call that sinister.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 15:11:26 GMT
16 deaths am I reading that right? Decent is that, finally the numbers are dropping off a cliff.......
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Post by Northy on Jul 6, 2020 15:14:15 GMT
16 deaths am I reading that right? Decent is that, finally the numbers are dropping off a cliff....... Yes, 16, a good number in the circumstances, lets see what tomorrows weekend bounce is. 22 & 16 this weekend compared with 36 & 25 last weekend
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