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Post by theoptimist on Jun 1, 2020 17:56:42 GMT
They will be able to buy the plate but not the meatballs to go on them. I must admit I am struggling to imagine that conversations last night that resulted in people thinking the first thing they would do when lockdown restrictions were eased was to go and queue outside Ikea. Wait till McDonalds reopen the drive through's - they'll be queuing from the A34 in Trent Vale to Stafford Town centre........
What kind of fuckbadger sees a queue like that and think "Oooh think i'll join the back of that, dying for a new bedside lamp!" ...... lemmings ...... explains why UK have struggled to get people to follow the 'rules'.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 1, 2020 18:00:02 GMT
What's the general consensus on here as to whether the government have done a good job at managing Coronavirus?
Anyone who voted for them in the recent GE who is now regretting that decision, or at least would vote for another party tomorrow?
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Post by sportsman on Jun 1, 2020 18:02:09 GMT
Whenever anyone posted any links between us and others in a positive way People on here quickly jumped on europe being weeks ahead of us with the virus spread, lockdown and easing. Now we're all of a sudden comparing us to the rest of europe? Eh? There's been comparisons all the way through. What are you on about? Whenever I posted anything comparing us to spain italy or wherever the come back was always where have you been they are way ahead of us in timescale.
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Post by chad on Jun 1, 2020 18:08:33 GMT
What's the general consensus on here as to whether the government have done a good job at managing Coronavirus? Anyone who voted for them in the recent GE who is now regretting that decision, or at least would vote for another party tomorrow? Made mistakes done somethings good. Time will tell overall Do I regret voting for them. Absolutely not because unfortunately the only realistic alternative was totally unelectable Would I vote for them next time. Too early to say, see how the next four years go and how much Starmer sorts out the extreme left Oh. And there won’t be a consensus
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 1, 2020 18:10:11 GMT
What's the general consensus on here as to whether the government have done a good job at managing Coronavirus? Anyone who voted for them in the recent GE who is now regretting that decision, or at least would vote for another party tomorrow? I think they have done a good job some things could of been better I'd say 7/10 And keeping Cummings on will prove to be a masterstroke
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 1, 2020 18:10:18 GMT
What's the general consensus on here as to whether the government have done a good job at managing Coronavirus? Anyone who voted for them in the recent GE who is now regretting that decision, or at least would vote for another party tomorrow? Most people who voted Tory wouldn't say if they did think they have made a mess of it. They're on a wind up most of the time and some think the sun shines out there arse. It's harder to find what they have done well other than the Furlough scheme.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 1, 2020 18:12:00 GMT
What's the general consensus on here as to whether the government have done a good job at managing Coronavirus? Anyone who voted for them in the recent GE who is now regretting that decision, or at least would vote for another party tomorrow? Personally I think their handling of the Furlough scheme has been good, and the expansion of NHS capacity was decent. We never got close to an overload. Which was because a lot of elective and non COVID stuff got cut but I don’t see how else they could do it once you pursue that policy. Communication has been poor IMO, lots of misleading appearances by ministers giving out wrong information, lack of precision of language (Vulnerable =/= extremely clinically vulnerable) etc and lack of clarity of instructions to various sectors. Too many buzzwords, like “world beating” which are just redundant. Management of testing poor as was the general refusal to budge from: A. Centralised Testing instead of using available capacity early through academic and commercial labs to really hunt this thing down when it was possible. Instead we missed the boat. We now have a massive hose (200k test capacity) to put out a massive fire when we could have used a small one to contain a little one. The latter is obviously more effective management. B. Acknowledging our response didn’t match the aetiology of the virus in question, treated like flu for far too long with many guiding mechanisms related to control of infection over actually stopping it as was successful in Asia. C. Track and trace abandoned way way too early, we don’t have Korea legislation but we do have some capacity for it. We abandone it when it was still manageable. This isn’t over yet so I think a lot of this is still fluid. If there are any subsequent waves, learning from the lessons in A, B and C would significantly benefit us. ONS survey and surveillance now it is setup are excellent and really good.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 1, 2020 18:12:00 GMT
They aren’t all over this weekend though are they. I’m convinced some of the other governments aren’t as transparent
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Post by wagsastokie on Jun 1, 2020 18:17:26 GMT
What's the general consensus on here as to whether the government have done a good job at managing Coronavirus? Anyone who voted for them in the recent GE who is now regretting that decision, or at least would vote for another party tomorrow? Most people who voted Tory wouldn't say if they did think they have made a mess of it. They're on a wind up most of the time and some think the sun shines out there arse. It's harder to find what they have done well other than the Furlough scheme. I'll give you a clue on one the shielding has been run well I promptly received my letter Received several phone calls asking if I needed help etc
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 1, 2020 18:18:19 GMT
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Post by noustie on Jun 1, 2020 18:22:13 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 1, 2020 18:22:16 GMT
What's the general consensus on here as to whether the government have done a good job at managing Coronavirus? Anyone who voted for them in the recent GE who is now regretting that decision, or at least would vote for another party tomorrow? Personally I think their handling of the Furlough scheme has been good, and the expansion of NHS capacity was decent. We never got close to an overload. Which was because a lot of elective and non COVID stuff got cut but I don’t see how else they could do it once you pursue that policy. Communication has been poor IMO, lots of misleading appearances by ministers giving out wrong information, lack of precision of language (Vulnerable =/= extremely clinically vulnerable) etc and lack of clarity of instructions to various sectors. Too many buzzwords, like “world beating” which are just redundant. Management of testing poor as was the general refusal to budge from: A. Centralised Testing instead of using available capacity early through academic and commercial labs to really hunt this thing down when it was possible. Instead we missed the boat. We now have a massive hose (200k test capacity) to put out a massive fire when we could have used a small one to contain a little one. The latter is obviously more effective management. B. Acknowledging our response didn’t match the aetiology of the virus in question, treated like flu for far too long with many guiding mechanisms related to control of infection over actually stopping it as was successful in Asia. C. Track and trace abandoned way way too early, we don’t have Korea legislation but we do have some capacity for it. We abandone it when it was still manageable. This isn’t over yet so I think a lot of this is still fluid. If there are any subsequent waves, learning from the lessons in A, B and C would significantly benefit us. ONS survey and surveillance now it is setup are excellent and really good. Transitioning is the new buzzword this week. We've had reasonable too for the last week. All these politicians are becoming like actors with the same lines.
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Post by chad on Jun 1, 2020 18:22:21 GMT
This is great news. And from a country who have had more deaths than ourselves. Shows that we are possibly only 2 weeks away from 0 deaths. Best numbers since lockdown began for us too so today is an all round great day. Matty H buzzing in his post match analysis tonight and rightly so. All the figures illustrating quite clearly that we are beating this cunt. I'm sure the bbc will find a way to put a negative spin on it but that's fine because no one gives a fuck. Media credibility is at an all time low which is great news too. We've even found out when our monster game with Reading will take place. What a day, get your fucking tops off in the garden and crack open a lager. Light at the end of this cunting tunnel. We're a lot further away than 2 weeks to zero deaths here. Just over Two weeks ago Spain were still having over 100 deaths per day so it’s not inconceivable 14/5. 217 15/5. 138 16/5. 104 17/5. 87
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Post by noustie on Jun 1, 2020 18:28:46 GMT
What's the general consensus on here as to whether the government have done a good job at managing Coronavirus? Anyone who voted for them in the recent GE who is now regretting that decision, or at least would vote for another party tomorrow? Furlough good - convincing everyone can't afford second wave bad. Everything else I'd go Dave Rowson v Wigan level of performance
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Post by stokeson on Jun 1, 2020 18:31:10 GMT
Personally I think their handling of the Furlough scheme has been good, and the expansion of NHS capacity was decent. We never got close to an overload. Which was because a lot of elective and non COVID stuff got cut but I don’t see how else they could do it once you pursue that policy. Communication has been poor IMO, lots of misleading appearances by ministers giving out wrong information, lack of precision of language (Vulnerable =/= extremely clinically vulnerable) etc and lack of clarity of instructions to various sectors. Too many buzzwords, like “world beating” which are just redundant. Management of testing poor as was the general refusal to budge from: A. Centralised Testing instead of using available capacity early through academic and commercial labs to really hunt this thing down when it was possible. Instead we missed the boat. We now have a massive hose (200k test capacity) to put out a massive fire when we could have used a small one to contain a little one. The latter is obviously more effective management. B. Acknowledging our response didn’t match the aetiology of the virus in question, treated like flu for far too long with many guiding mechanisms related to control of infection over actually stopping it as was successful in Asia. C. Track and trace abandoned way way too early, we don’t have Korea legislation but we do have some capacity for it. We abandone it when it was still manageable. This isn’t over yet so I think a lot of this is still fluid. If there are any subsequent waves, learning from the lessons in A, B and C would significantly benefit us. ONS survey and surveillance now it is setup are excellent and really good. Transitioning is the new buzzword this week. We've had reasonable too for the last week. All these politicians are becoming like actors with the same lines. He has a toolbox now so maybe he will be able to make some things(up) with it. Notice when the guy came back about the center for response ."was it up and running ? Hanncocks reply yes its an ambition. So no then......,.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2020 18:45:56 GMT
Eh? There's been comparisons all the way through. What are you on about? Whenever I posted anything comparing us to spain italy or wherever the come back was always where have you been they are way ahead of us in timescale. Yeah they were.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2020 18:47:12 GMT
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Post by OldStokie on Jun 1, 2020 18:54:29 GMT
What's the general consensus on here as to whether the government have done a good job at managing Coronavirus? Anyone who voted for them in the recent GE who is now regretting that decision, or at least would vote for another party tomorrow? The furlough scheme was very good. Whether it continues to be as good if we have a second spike remains to be seen. As I see it, if we can bail the banks out to the tune of 500 billion then we've got loads of leeway to continue it. But who's going to pay for it when it's all over? Nothing less than a completely equitable sharing of the burden according to ability to pay will suffice for me. Regarding handling of the virus itself then I can only come to one conclusion. If the government were a private company and could be open to corporate manslaughter, those ministers and advisors running the show should go to jail. As an analogy, it's akin to the Bhopal disaster in India. OS.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 1, 2020 18:55:41 GMT
Bit naughty of sky that making it up to 556 to have more impact when it’s over a period of over a month.
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Post by stokeson on Jun 1, 2020 19:15:59 GMT
Bit naughty of sky that making it up to 556 to have more impact when it’s over a period of over a month. Whats naughty is over 39,000 dead up to now...............
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 1, 2020 19:19:24 GMT
2 things from me...
I think we can criticise the government for lots of things but I'm not sure you can for the data around the death toll.
If we declared deaths the way germany do, for example, our death toll would be significantly lower than the quoted figures.
I'm also wondering if this is the 2nd wave/spike that we are going through. 6000 more people died in December 2019 than they did in 2018.
I come into contact with plenty of people who travel to and from China regularly with the regions they visit being relatively close to wuhan.
I know quite a few business people who were very ill with coronavirus symptoms in december and I was the same mid-December. Ridiculously high temperature, sweats, no taste, cough and intense lethargy that lasted all through christmas and well into the new year.
I read an article this morning suggesting that this virus could have been here in November.
If so, was this the 2nd wave? How feasible is that?
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Post by henry on Jun 1, 2020 19:21:15 GMT
They aren’t all over this weekend though are they. I’m convinced some of the other governments aren’t as transparent You may well be correct about the other governments, but it was a slimey trick today not mentioning the other 400 odd deaths at the daily briefing.
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Post by chad on Jun 1, 2020 19:45:52 GMT
2 things from me... I think we can criticise the government for lots of things but I'm not sure you can for the data around the death toll. If we declared deaths the way germany do, for example, our death toll would be significantly lower than the quoted figures. I'm also wondering if this is the 2nd wave/spike that we are going through. 6000 more people died in December 2019 than they did in 2018. I come into contact with plenty of people who travel to and from China regularly with the regions they visit being relatively close to wuhan. I know quite a few business people who were very ill with coronavirus symptoms in december and I was the same mid-December. Ridiculously high temperature, sweats, no taste, cough and intense lethargy that lasted all through christmas and well into the new year. I read an article this morning suggesting that this virus could have been here in November. If so, was this the 2nd wave? How feasible is that? What exactly is the difference in the way Germany declare ? Im sure there are many significant differences by country and I don’t think a true comparison can be made until these are ironed out
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 1, 2020 19:52:32 GMT
2 things from me... I think we can criticise the government for lots of things but I'm not sure you can for the data around the death toll. If we declared deaths the way germany do, for example, our death toll would be significantly lower than the quoted figures. I'm also wondering if this is the 2nd wave/spike that we are going through. 6000 more people died in December 2019 than they did in 2018. I come into contact with plenty of people who travel to and from China regularly with the regions they visit being relatively close to wuhan. I know quite a few business people who were very ill with coronavirus symptoms in december and I was the same mid-December. Ridiculously high temperature, sweats, no taste, cough and intense lethargy that lasted all through christmas and well into the new year. I read an article this morning suggesting that this virus could have been here in November. If so, was this the 2nd wave? How feasible is that? What exactly is the difference in the way Germany declare ? Im sure there are many significant differences by country and I don’t think a true comparison can be made until these are ironed out Here, we often have 2 causes of death. For example, when my dad died he had both cancer and MRSA on his death certificate. Irrespective of whether you die of covid or with covid, it goes down as a covid death. In germany it doesn't. If you have a stroke whilst having covid, you are said to have died of a stroke. If you have lung cancer and die with covid, the cause of death is lung cancer. I believe similar is true in Spain and many other countries.
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Post by southstanddan on Jun 1, 2020 19:56:37 GMT
2 things from me... I think we can criticise the government for lots of things but I'm not sure you can for the data around the death toll. If we declared deaths the way germany do, for example, our death toll would be significantly lower than the quoted figures. I'm also wondering if this is the 2nd wave/spike that we are going through. 6000 more people died in December 2019 than they did in 2018. I come into contact with plenty of people who travel to and from China regularly with the regions they visit being relatively close to wuhan. I know quite a few business people who were very ill with coronavirus symptoms in december and I was the same mid-December. Ridiculously high temperature, sweats, no taste, cough and intense lethargy that lasted all through christmas and well into the new year. I read an article this morning suggesting that this virus could have been here in November. If so, was this the 2nd wave? How feasible is that? What exactly is the difference in the way Germany declare ? Im sure there are many significant differences by country and I don’t think a true comparison can be made until these are ironed out I’ve seen something from a doctor saying he’s seen deaths reported as COVID when they haven’t even been tested - it was on Twitter and in the spirit of this thread is therefore factually correct
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Post by chad on Jun 1, 2020 19:59:35 GMT
What exactly is the difference in the way Germany declare ? Im sure there are many significant differences by country and I don’t think a true comparison can be made until these are ironed out Here, we often have 2 causes of death. For example, when my dad died he had both cancer and MRSA on his death certificate. Irrespective of whether you die of covid or with covid, it goes down as a covid death. In germany it doesn't. If you have a stroke whilst having covid, you are said to have died of a stroke. If you have lung cancer and die with covid, the cause of death is lung cancer. I believe similar is true in Spain and many other countries. I’ve thought that might be the case. Surely that renders comparison useless
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2020 20:03:12 GMT
What exactly is the difference in the way Germany declare ? Im sure there are many significant differences by country and I don’t think a true comparison can be made until these are ironed out Here, we often have 2 causes of death. For example, when my dad died he had both cancer and MRSA on his death certificate. Irrespective of whether you die of covid or with covid, it goes down as a covid death. In germany it doesn't. If you have a stroke whilst having covid, you are said to have died of a stroke. If you have lung cancer and die with covid, the cause of death is lung cancer. I believe similar is true in Spain and many other countries. Where have you read that Dave? Andrew Neil has suggested it’s like comparing apples with apples with ours and the German numbers.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 1, 2020 20:03:59 GMT
Here, we often have 2 causes of death. For example, when my dad died he had both cancer and MRSA on his death certificate. Irrespective of whether you die of covid or with covid, it goes down as a covid death. In germany it doesn't. If you have a stroke whilst having covid, you are said to have died of a stroke. If you have lung cancer and die with covid, the cause of death is lung cancer. I believe similar is true in Spain and many other countries. I’ve thought that might be the case. Surely that renders comparison useless Possibly but you'd think the excess deaths data would enable some forms of comparison at some point in time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 20:16:16 GMT
2 things from me... I think we can criticise the government for lots of things but I'm not sure you can for the data around the death toll. If we declared deaths the way germany do, for example, our death toll would be significantly lower than the quoted figures. I'm also wondering if this is the 2nd wave/spike that we are going through. 6000 more people died in December 2019 than they did in 2018. I come into contact with plenty of people who travel to and from China regularly with the regions they visit being relatively close to wuhan. I know quite a few business people who were very ill with coronavirus symptoms in december and I was the same mid-December. Ridiculously high temperature, sweats, no taste, cough and intense lethargy that lasted all through christmas and well into the new year. I read an article this morning suggesting that this virus could have been here in November. If so, was this the 2nd wave? How feasible is that? There will be no hiding from the excess death data. Once adjustments have been made for the difference in “other deaths” (car accidents, murders etc.) the figure that remains will be a fairly accurate reflection of what’s occurred. And our numbers are awful..... EDIT sorry missed your post about excess deaths.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jun 1, 2020 20:16:51 GMT
Here, we often have 2 causes of death. For example, when my dad died he had both cancer and MRSA on his death certificate. Irrespective of whether you die of covid or with covid, it goes down as a covid death. In germany it doesn't. If you have a stroke whilst having covid, you are said to have died of a stroke. If you have lung cancer and die with covid, the cause of death is lung cancer. I believe similar is true in Spain and many other countries. Where have you read that Dave? Andrew Neil has suggested it’s like comparing apples with apples with ours and the German numbers. I haven't read it. I picked it up in conversation during a video conference with our German counterparts and suppliers.
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