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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 1, 2020 16:43:44 GMT
I see that the scientists have stopped going the through the data charts at the briefing today.
Looks like the politicians want to to be able to put a positive slant on the data instead.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 16:45:34 GMT
Anyone know the rationale? Can't open the link for some reason......
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 1, 2020 16:46:20 GMT
And we had someone earlier who would be ok with 100 deaths a day in the Uk..... As a nation, when did we go wrong? This is great news. And from a country who have had more deaths than ourselves. Shows that we are possibly only 2 weeks away from 0 deaths. Best numbers since lockdown began for us too so today is an all round great day. Matty H buzzing in his post match analysis tonight and rightly so. All the figures illustrating quite clearly that we are beating this cunt. I'm sure the bbc will find a way to put a negative spin on it but that's fine because no one gives a fuck. Media credibility is at an all time low which is great news too. We've even found out when our monster game with Reading will take place. What a day, get your fucking tops off in the garden and crack open a lager. Light at the end of this cunting tunnel.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 1, 2020 16:46:58 GMT
Sturgeon attempting to deflect attention from her criminal neglect of the elderly in Scotland. Absolutely poisonous. Wee Jimmy krankie has got her sweating to do once this is over and Alex salmond starts his revenge Oh fuck off Sturgeon you vile bitter twat.
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Post by stokeson on Jun 1, 2020 16:48:33 GMT
I see that the scientists have stopped going the through the data charts at the briefing today. Looks like the politicians want to to be able to put a positive slant on the data instead. Dont think anyones watching now. Theyve made it clear over the weekend theyve "Got Cov19 Done" so people are out with 10 people in the garden.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2020 16:49:57 GMT
Anyone know the rationale? Can't open the link for some reason...... English hospital is 108 today. So no idea where the 111 or the 500 come from because both would seem way from the 108 figure and then adding the usual on to that?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 16:50:05 GMT
And we had someone earlier who would be ok with 100 deaths a day in the Uk..... As a nation, when did we go wrong? This is great news. And from a country who have had more deaths than ourselves. Shows that we are possibly only 2 weeks away from 0 deaths. Best numbers since lockdown began for us too so today is an all round great day. Matty H buzzing in his post match analysis tonight and rightly so. All the figures illustrating quite clearly that we are beating this cunt. I'm sure the bbc will find a way to put a negative spin on it but that's fine because no one gives a fuck. Media credibility is at an all time low which is great news too. We've even found out when our monster game with Reading will take place. What a day, get your fucking tops off in the garden and crack open a lager. Light at the end of this cunting tunnel. Can I have the name of your dealer fella?
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Post by sportsman on Jun 1, 2020 16:50:49 GMT
And we had someone earlier who would be ok with 100 deaths a day in the Uk..... As a nation, when did we go wrong? Whenever anyone posted any links between us and others in a positive way People on here quickly jumped on europe being weeks ahead of us with the virus spread, lockdown and easing. Now we're all of a sudden comparing us to the rest of europe?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2020 16:51:09 GMT
And we had someone earlier who would be ok with 100 deaths a day in the Uk..... As a nation, when did we go wrong? This is great news. And from a country who have had more deaths than ourselves. Shows that we are possibly only 2 weeks away from 0 deaths. Best numbers since lockdown began for us too so today is an all round great day. Matty H buzzing in his post match analysis tonight and rightly so. All the figures illustrating quite clearly that we are beating this cunt. I'm sure the bbc will find a way to put a negative spin on it but that's fine because no one gives a fuck. Media credibility is at an all time low which is great news too. We've even found out when our monster game with Reading will take place. What a day, get your fucking tops off in the garden and crack open a lager. Light at the end of this cunting tunnel. I really do hope so. I just hope people actually stick to social distancing and we haven't opened too much too soon. We seem to be ahead on the reopening than places with much lower numbers and that worries me.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 1, 2020 16:51:15 GMT
This is great news. And from a country who have had more deaths than ourselves. Shows that we are possibly only 2 weeks away from 0 deaths. Best numbers since lockdown began for us too so today is an all round great day. Matty H buzzing in his post match analysis tonight and rightly so. All the figures illustrating quite clearly that we are beating this cunt. I'm sure the bbc will find a way to put a negative spin on it but that's fine because no one gives a fuck. Media credibility is at an all time low which is great news too. We've even found out when our monster game with Reading will take place. What a day, get your fucking tops off in the garden and crack open a lager. Light at the end of this cunting tunnel. Can I have the name of your dealer fella? Dom Cummings 😉
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 1, 2020 16:51:16 GMT
To be fair given the humiliation of the last election, just coming across competent is a massive improvement. It's best that Starmer takes baby steps . You think that's competency? I call it cowardice, especially when a second spike and people's lives are at stake..... Starmer needs to let the people call out the government a lot more and they have been. People can work out what's going and we don't need a nod of approval from Starmer to let the Tories know how angry we are. The Tories will play the man if Starmer starts challenging everything and it won't end well for him. If he sticks to the facts he will open up the cracks and he has been. We look at the situation now and say there's going to be a second spike, but what if there isn't? If he guesses and he's wrong then he will be a joke and the Tories will keep winning. He will question them and use evidence against them based on facts which is sensible as there is no hiding from facts.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2020 16:52:43 GMT
And we had someone earlier who would be ok with 100 deaths a day in the Uk..... As a nation, when did we go wrong? Whenever anyone posted any links between us and others in a positive way People on here quickly jumped on europe being weeks ahead of us with the virus spread, lockdown and easing. Now we're all of a sudden comparing us to the rest of europe? Eh? There's been comparisons all the way through. What are you on about?
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Post by AlliG on Jun 1, 2020 16:55:29 GMT
Queuing for hours in 20+ degree heat for a chest of draws and a plate of meatballs. Each to their own I guess.... They will be able to buy the plate but not the meatballs to go on them. I must admit I am struggling to imagine that conversations last night that resulted in people thinking the first thing they would do when lockdown restrictions were eased was to go and queue outside Ikea.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 16:55:54 GMT
Can I have the name of your dealer fella? Dom Cummings 😉 So that was why he was in Barnard Castle, picking up his stash!
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 1, 2020 16:56:02 GMT
This is great news. And from a country who have had more deaths than ourselves. Shows that we are possibly only 2 weeks away from 0 deaths. Best numbers since lockdown began for us too so today is an all round great day. Matty H buzzing in his post match analysis tonight and rightly so. All the figures illustrating quite clearly that we are beating this cunt. I'm sure the bbc will find a way to put a negative spin on it but that's fine because no one gives a fuck. Media credibility is at an all time low which is great news too. We've even found out when our monster game with Reading will take place. What a day, get your fucking tops off in the garden and crack open a lager. Light at the end of this cunting tunnel. I really do hope so. I just hope people actually stick to social distancing and we haven't opened too much too soon. We seem to be ahead on the reopening than places with much lower numbers and that worries me. Indeed mate. Unfortunately there are always idiots who seem to find the concept of 2 metres difficult to understand. It's simple really...stick to the rules and we beat the virus and get the economy back in no time. Given the chaos with the States and the EU, we might just end up in an even stronger position than before this began (relatively). However, don't stick to the rules, get a second peak and we cripple a generation and put the country in the worst state its ever been in. No pressure or anything 😉
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jun 1, 2020 16:56:56 GMT
So that was why he was in Barnard Castle, picking up his stash! Indeed!
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Post by stokeson on Jun 1, 2020 16:57:38 GMT
And we had someone earlier who would be ok with 100 deaths a day in the Uk..... As a nation, when did we go wrong? Whenever anyone posted any links between us and others in a positive way People on here quickly jumped on europe being weeks ahead of us with the virus spread, lockdown and easing. Now we're all of a sudden comparing us to the rest of europe? Name one thing that weve done better than europe? our world beating track and trace? our arm around everyone in care homes? our PPE delivery?. OHHH the furlow.......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 17:11:58 GMT
Queuing for hours in 20+ degree heat for a chest of draws and a plate of meatballs. Each to their own I guess.... They will be able to buy the plate but not the meatballs to go on them. I must admit I am struggling to imagine that conversations last night that resulted in people thinking the first thing they would do when lockdown restrictions were eased was to go and queue outside Ikea. Wait till McDonalds reopen the drive through's - they'll be queuing from the A34 in Trent Vale to Stafford Town centre........
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 1, 2020 17:16:45 GMT
Or does he know and he's not prepared to tell us? If he doesn't genuinely know, then he needs to work a bit harder to find out. The reliance on scientists doesn't seem to have produced the containment everyone was hoping for which is a bit of a worry as I think the government were 'following the science' early doors. It seems now though we have reached a bit of a stand off with government not trusting the science and the scientists not trusting the government. A bit of a shit show really... At no point has public policy been "led" by the science. Experts from a range of scientific disciplines have provided the government with the best advice available in their discipline. Government have weighed up this advice, factored in non-scientific factors (such as impact on the economy and public services) and then made pubic policy. Every decision on the response to Covid has been led by politics - not science. At best it has only ever been informed by science. And that is how it should be - scientists aren't there to make public policy. However the politics has been disastrous, Once Dominic Cummings decided to believe that the figures coming out of Imperial College were correct and realised his/the government's herd immunity strategy would have been a disaster there was a period of time where it looked like science was leading the way. It wasn't - the change in direction was again political because Cummings realised if the government didn't lock down the NHS would be swamped and the government would look even more incompetent than they actually are. Unfortunately by the time Cummings did his about turn the R rate was above 1 and infections went exponential, The rest is history. The government basically have SAGE on a tight leash - the press conference the other day where Boris refused to let his adviser's comment on Cummings behaviour pretty much gave the game away. It's now clear the government is at odds with their own scientific advisers and the advisers are too scared to challenge the government/Cummings (same thing) for fear of losing their jobs. If you want to know where the science lies on this listen to what the independent SAGE group are saying. They aren't Cumming's lap dogs -they are unlikely to affect public policy but will give you an idea of the shit storm to come as the government come out of lockdown too soon in order to achieve their latest political aims rather than take the best scientific advice on minimising deaths - because minimising deaths isn't what they are trying to do. There will be a second spike in deaths but the political calculation is the same as the one Cummings made in his ludicrous defence of his own behaviour - can we brazen it out and get away with it. And yes they can and yes they will - because they are untouchable and hold the rest of us in utter contempt.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2020 17:22:13 GMT
I see that the scientists have stopped going the through the data charts at the briefing today. Looks like the politicians want to to be able to put a positive slant on the data instead. People don't trust them anymore, anyway ... www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/01/public-trust-in-uk-government-over-coronavirus-falls-sharply"I have never in 10 years of research in this area seen a drop in trust like what we have seen for the UK government in the course of six weeks,” said the institute’s director, Rasmus Kleis Nielsen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 17:22:44 GMT
You think that's competency? I call it cowardice, especially when a second spike and people's lives are at stake..... Starmer needs to let the people call out the government a lot more and they have been. People can work out what's going and we don't need a nod of approval from Starmer to let the Tories know how angry we are. The Tories will play the man if Starmer starts challenging everything and it won't end well for him. If he sticks to the facts he will open up the cracks and he has been. We look at the situation now and say there's going to be a second spike, but what if there isn't? If he guesses and he's wrong then he will be a joke and the Tories will keep winning. He will question them and use evidence against them based on facts which is sensible as there is no hiding from facts. If he wants to put strategy over people's health and wellbeing fair enough. But rest assured if the return to schools coincides with a spike in Coronavirus deaths he'll be in no position to take the moral high ground, he will need to take some responsibility.......
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 1, 2020 17:23:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 17:26:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2020 17:27:44 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 1, 2020 17:41:02 GMT
Starmer needs to let the people call out the government a lot more and they have been. People can work out what's going and we don't need a nod of approval from Starmer to let the Tories know how angry we are. The Tories will play the man if Starmer starts challenging everything and it won't end well for him. If he sticks to the facts he will open up the cracks and he has been. We look at the situation now and say there's going to be a second spike, but what if there isn't? If he guesses and he's wrong then he will be a joke and the Tories will keep winning. He will question them and use evidence against them based on facts which is sensible as there is no hiding from facts. If he wants to put strategy over people's health and wellbeing fair enough. But rest assured if the return to schools coincides with a spike in Coronavirus deaths he'll be in no position to take the moral high ground, he will need to take some responsibility....... I don't think it's so much strategy as it is not to become the distraction. It should be right to call them out but we don't live in normal times. We will have to see how PMQ'S goes this week, he may well challenge Boris on it.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 1, 2020 17:44:23 GMT
And we had someone earlier who would be ok with 100 deaths a day in the Uk..... As a nation, when did we go wrong? This is great news. And from a country who have had more deaths than ourselves. Shows that we are possibly only 2 weeks away from 0 deaths. Best numbers since lockdown began for us too so today is an all round great day. Matty H buzzing in his post match analysis tonight and rightly so. All the figures illustrating quite clearly that we are beating this cunt. I'm sure the bbc will find a way to put a negative spin on it but that's fine because no one gives a fuck. Media credibility is at an all time low which is great news too. We've even found out when our monster game with Reading will take place. What a day, get your fucking tops off in the garden and crack open a lager. Light at the end of this cunting tunnel. We're a lot further away than 2 weeks to zero deaths here.
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Post by wozzerthepotter on Jun 1, 2020 17:44:26 GMT
I have been labelled as vulnerable individual and hadn't been out of the house and garden for 10 weeks. Today based on the easing of the lock down and the fact that all the local sources here in the South west have been saying how few deaths we have had in the area. My journey was half a mile taking the car thus avoiding meeting anyone. At the shops I met a friend who told me about the sheltered housing as close to the stores are two blocks of social housing these blocks both contain 32 individual flats each. These flats house older people and are managed by an individual who is present 24x7 and assists if any of the residents has an emergency. In one of these blocks they have had 8 deaths due to Covid and still have 6 people ill with the virus. These are not even nursing homes how many more are there like this across the country.
Sorry to interrupt the splendid and absorbing political master class.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 1, 2020 17:47:42 GMT
Could it be strengthening in other countries thought? Brazil are just letting it loose. Would it be a good idea to get the weakening strain to do the rounds if possible?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 1, 2020 17:52:12 GMT
Needs a pre-print and data really before anything can be drawn from it. Until that comes out it’s just 2 doctors saying something. As Feynman would say it doesn’t matter how good your theory is or who is saying it without any data it’s irrelevant. We’d need full methodoligy on who was swabbed, how old they were, how long after symptoms etc. That’s before you burrow down into stuff like geographic strains and whatnot. I’ve been blocked by Karol Sikora on twitter so unsure as to how that thread will be developing but yeah crucial thing at this point is they’ve made the theory. Now needs the data in a standardised form. Not really sure why I’ve been because I’ve only ever asked scientific questions about certain assumptions he’s made. Never abused and ironically defended him when Youtube blocked his video. If it is weakening, then its similar to the SARS1 story, but that’s not backed up by much at the moment other than 1 similar mutation found in Arizona that I’ve not seen repeated elsewhere.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jun 1, 2020 17:55:16 GMT
Sadly, a second Ebola outbreak has been confirmed in the DR Congo. This is alongside the one still raging in Kivu. Not a threat to the UK, but with COVID lurking and limited resources already stretched that could turn very nasty very quickly. If that starts doing the rounds I'm going to the Antarctica to paint on some red stripes.
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