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Post by sportsman on May 14, 2020 10:02:17 GMT
Sheik. Go onto Google. Type in “Corbyns Lies” Interesting isn’t it Just saying like 😊 Corbyn's a back bencher. Johnson is a failing lying bastard out of his depth. A blustering buffoon, more Chuckle Brother than Churchill. If I had a relative who died of this virus in a care home and listened to him telling bare faced lies yesterday about locking them down before the rest of the country to cover his sorry fat arse, I'd like to go around and kick him in the balls so hard they came out of his ridiculous tousled mop. He an irredeemable wanker. An utter, utter shit of a man. I think you have anger issues myself. Your hatred for certain people is deranged. More so the tony Scholes one. It goes behind having an opinion. Throwing up attachments from some 10 Bob journalist to try prove your argument. Answer the sky news report last night saying mexico is lying through its teeth and are at least 5 times out on their reported deaths. In fact they said there are that many deaths they couldn't even get close to saying how much they're out. I also believe europe are the same. We've git have private investigator looking into our estimate. Have europe? No doubt like every other country mistakes have been made for something we've never had to deal with before, but the scrutiny has just got into a political sided rant. Wonder how many arguing against the government voted for them and brexit? Homest question.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 14, 2020 10:04:13 GMT
I would welcome ESOF's and others' thoughts on this article: Article: WHO warns coronavirus 'may never go away' WHO warns coronavirus 'may never go away' www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/13/coronavirus-may-never-go-away-world-health-organisation-warns/The coronavirus may never go away, the World Health Organisation has warned, and called upon a "massive effort" from global governments to fight the disease as the global death toll approached 300,000. Mike Ryan, the WHO emergencies director, said on Wednesday that the virus that causes Covid-19 could become endemic like HIV, warning against any attempt to predict how long it would keep circulating. "It is important to put this on the table: this virus may become just another endemic virus in our communities, and this virus may never go away," Mr Ryan said. "I think it is important we are realistic and I don't think anyone can predict when this disease will disappear," he added. "I think there are no promises in this and there are no dates. This disease may settle into a long problem, or it may not be." However, he said the world had some control over how it coped with the disease, although this would take a "massive effort" even if a vaccine was found - a prospect he described as a "massive moonshot" ....................
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Post by Northy on May 14, 2020 10:06:43 GMT
Corbyn's a back bencher. Johnson is a failing lying bastard out of his depth. A blustering buffoon, more Chuckle Brother than Churchill. If I had a relative who died of this virus in a care home and listened to him telling bare faced lies yesterday about locking them down before the rest of the country to cover his sorry fat arse, I'd like to go around and kick him in the balls so hard they came out of his ridiculous tousled mop. He an irredeemable wanker. An utter, utter shit of a man. I think you have anger issues myself. Your hatred for certain people is deranged. More so the tony Scholes one. It goes behind having an opinion. Throwing up attachments from some 10 Bob journalist to try prove your argument. Answer the sky news report last night saying mexico is lying through its teeth and are at least 5 times out on their reported deaths. In fact they said there are that many deaths they couldn't even get close to saying how much they're out. I also believe europe are the same. We've git have private investigator looking into our estimate. Have europe? No doubt like every other country mistakes have been made for something we've never had to deal with before, but the scrutiny has just got into a political sided rant. Wonder how many arguing against the government voted for them and brexit? Homest question. Spain and Italy haven't counted deaths in the care homes and community, early on they were so overwhelmed in some areas they couldn't get to enough people, it will be interesting to see the data when this is all over, the death rates v average death rates for all European countries.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2020 10:09:33 GMT
I would welcome ESOF's and others' thoughts on this article: Article: WHO warns coronavirus 'may never go away' WHO warns coronavirus 'may never go away' f7td5.app.goo.gl/vU4tYs............ The coronavirus may never go away, the World Health Organisation has warned, and called upon a "massive effort" from global governments to fight the disease as the global death toll approached 300,000. Mike Ryan, the WHO emergencies director, said on Wednesday that the virus that causes Covid-19 could become endemic like HIV, warning against any attempt to predict how long it would keep circulating. "It is important to put this on the table: this virus may become just another endemic virus in our communities, and this virus may never go away," Mr Ryan said. "I think it is important we are realistic and I don't think anyone can predict when this disease will disappear," he added. "I think there are no promises in this and there are no dates. This disease may settle into a long problem, or it may not be." However, he said the world had some control over how it coped with the disease, although this would take a "massive effort" even if a vaccine was found - a prospect he described as a "massive moonshot" .................... There's not much to discuss is there? It might not? I think that's always been an option. Look at flu.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 14, 2020 10:09:47 GMT
Corbyn's a back bencher. Johnson is a failing lying bastard out of his depth. A blustering buffoon, more Chuckle Brother than Churchill. If I had a relative who died of this virus in a care home and listened to him telling bare faced lies yesterday about locking them down before the rest of the country to cover his sorry fat arse, I'd like to go around and kick him in the balls so hard they came out of his ridiculous tousled mop. He an irredeemable wanker. An utter, utter shit of a man. I think you have anger issues myself. Your hatred for certain people is deranged. More so the tony Scholes one. It goes behind having an opinion. Throwing up attachments from some 10 Bob journalist to try prove your argument. Answer the sky news report last night saying mexico is lying through its teeth and are at least 5 times out on their reported deaths. In fact they said there are that many deaths they couldn't even get close to saying how much they're out. I also believe europe are the same. We've git have private investigator looking into our estimate. Have europe? No doubt like every other country mistakes have been made for something we've never had to deal with before, but the scrutiny has just got into a political sided rant. Wonder how many arguing against the government voted for them and brexit? Homest question. I find it very odd that don't give one flying fuck about the Prime Minister lying about Care Home policy which has killed thousands. Odd and pretty sick to be honest.
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Post by sportsman on May 14, 2020 10:10:49 GMT
I think you have anger issues myself. Your hatred for certain people is deranged. More so the tony Scholes one. It goes behind having an opinion. Throwing up attachments from some 10 Bob journalist to try prove your argument. Answer the sky news report last night saying mexico is lying through its teeth and are at least 5 times out on their reported deaths. In fact they said there are that many deaths they couldn't even get close to saying how much they're out. I also believe europe are the same. We've git have private investigator looking into our estimate. Have europe? No doubt like every other country mistakes have been made for something we've never had to deal with before, but the scrutiny has just got into a political sided rant. Wonder how many arguing against the government voted for them and brexit? Homest question. Spain and Italy haven't counted deaths in the care homes and community, early on they were so overwhelmed in some areas they couldn't get to enough people, it will be interesting to see the data when this is all over, the death rates v average death rates for all European countries. Exactly. Some on here are obsessed now with trying attach an article from some newspaper or social media to try prove their point that much it's getting silly. Truth is none of us buggers know what's really going on. Every side can produce rights and wrongs. Some are admitting in and some are dug in their trenches ready for battle.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 14, 2020 10:14:47 GMT
I would welcome ESOF's and others' thoughts on this article: Article: WHO warns coronavirus 'may never go away' WHO warns coronavirus 'may never go away' www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/13/coronavirus-may-never-go-away-world-health-organisation-warns/The coronavirus may never go away, the World Health Organisation has warned, and called upon a "massive effort" from global governments to fight the disease as the global death toll approached 300,000. Mike Ryan, the WHO emergencies director, said on Wednesday that the virus that causes Covid-19 could become endemic like HIV, warning against any attempt to predict how long it would keep circulating. "It is important to put this on the table: this virus may become just another endemic virus in our communities, and this virus may never go away," Mr Ryan said. "I think it is important we are realistic and I don't think anyone can predict when this disease will disappear," he added. "I think there are no promises in this and there are no dates. This disease may settle into a long problem, or it may not be." However, he said the world had some control over how it coped with the disease, although this would take a "massive effort" even if a vaccine was found - a prospect he described as a "massive moonshot" .................... I nearly asked the question after Monday's press conference about why Johnson, Whitty and Valance had all of a sudden started talking about the prospect of there never being a vaccine? My wife is in the shielding group and had a letter a few weeks ago, telling her not to leave the house until at least the 30th June. My wife got quite upset at their comments because it made her feel like it was never going to end. Maybe they're now on the same page as Ryan in thinking that a vaccine is actually a massive moonshot.
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Post by Gob Bluth on May 14, 2020 10:17:10 GMT
Austerity and the terror it wrought on the poor didn't seem to bother too many people over the last ten years. I suppose the only hope is that the pain and misery is more evenly shouldered this time around. I didn't bother too many people because it didn't result in the terror that the left like to think it did. Is that the austerity that was required after the 2008 crash? It's strange that some people, who didn't grasp the size of the 2008 crash, now understand the impact of a recession. Austerity didn't stop young immigrants coming over to the UK to deliver pizzas in London, live in a one bedroom flat and have five kids. Our immigration policies have allowed people with no skills who are prepared to live in this conditions to move to the UK. The highest earners lost the biggest % of their income after 2008 but this fact is lost on the Labour voters. There's no chance that anyone in the private sector or anyone with half a brain will want to take a tax hit to increase public sector wages or pay for immigrants\people from BAME backgrounds to have bigger houses. The tax hit will be required to manage the deficit. The more Labour play the BAME game the harder they'll get hit by the electorate. Starmer knows it. Longton, out of interest were you a Tory voter pre the Brexit vote and please feel free to not answer or tell me to do one, I'm interested but realise it's something of an invasive question. What I'm really interested to know is whether you've recently found yourself supporting their general policies or you've always lent that way. For fairness I used to be a Tory voter due to believing businesses in general do more harm than good. This was obviously tested in 2008 and due to their stance on the labour market (and a little bit on human kindness) I find my core values out of line with them. There is definitely an argument to be made that we have finite resources and we need to look after ourselves which traditionally is a Conservative view. I think it comes down to whether you see immigration as net gain or net loss.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 10:18:38 GMT
I think you have anger issues myself. Your hatred for certain people is deranged. More so the tony Scholes one. It goes behind having an opinion. Throwing up attachments from some 10 Bob journalist to try prove your argument. Answer the sky news report last night saying mexico is lying through its teeth and are at least 5 times out on their reported deaths. In fact they said there are that many deaths they couldn't even get close to saying how much they're out. I also believe europe are the same. We've git have private investigator looking into our estimate. Have europe? No doubt like every other country mistakes have been made for something we've never had to deal with before, but the scrutiny has just got into a political sided rant. Wonder how many arguing against the government voted for them and brexit? Homest question. Spain and Italy haven't counted deaths in the care homes and community, early on they were so overwhelmed in some areas they couldn't get to enough people, it will be interesting to see the data when this is all over, the death rates v average death rates for all European countries. You are correct in the case of Italy, however in Spain 78% of all "excess deaths" have already been attributed to CV compared to 72% in the UK which suggests that when the dust settles we will see a bigger total rise than them. As a further comparison the likes of France, Belgium and Sweden are tracking at 90+%...............
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Post by sportsman on May 14, 2020 10:25:00 GMT
I think you have anger issues myself. Your hatred for certain people is deranged. More so the tony Scholes one. It goes behind having an opinion. Throwing up attachments from some 10 Bob journalist to try prove your argument. Answer the sky news report last night saying mexico is lying through its teeth and are at least 5 times out on their reported deaths. In fact they said there are that many deaths they couldn't even get close to saying how much they're out. I also believe europe are the same. We've git have private investigator looking into our estimate. Have europe? No doubt like every other country mistakes have been made for something we've never had to deal with before, but the scrutiny has just got into a political sided rant. Wonder how many arguing against the government voted for them and brexit? Homest question. I find it very odd that don't give one flying fuck about the Prime Minister lying about Care Home policy which has killed thousands. Odd and pretty sick to be honest. Who said couldn't give a fuck? Answer my questions above. Let's say this in a nutshell I have said my wife is a nursing home manager in stoke on trent. The NHS hospital in stoke had one of her residents in early on. She didn't go in with symptoms. While she was in there she got the virus. They kept her in for 14 days. They then contacted my wife at the nursing home to say mrs x can now come back to you. My wife said has she been tested? Bare in mind this was very early into what's going on. They told her no. My wife said well until she is we are not having her back. The next day she got a call saying she can come back. Guess what. They still hadn't tasted her and didn't know about yesterday call. Do you know this went on for four days until my wife put in a complaint at the hospital. A consultant apologized and said he'd get ot sorted, which it was, and she is now back. There have been no cases as we speak in a 40 bed unit. Now another nursing home she knows of is willingly taking in residents known to have the virus and there have been 9 deaths in there as we speak. She has heard that some nursing homes are offered money £100 to take in residents from hospital. She was adamant she'd risk losing her job early on before it was confirmed that testing should be done now before re admitting them. For me she did the right thing and I wish other nursing homes had done the same. She's worked at various nursing homes before here and she says that some are run that badly there's no way she'd want any of her family anywhere near them. They didn't even wear aprons when serving meals or dealing with care on a normal basis. Health care workers didn't even know they should wear them. Of course mistakes have been made, but for me if every nursing home manager had acted like my wife there would be a lot less deaths also.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 14, 2020 10:25:59 GMT
I would welcome ESOF's and others' thoughts on this article: Article: WHO warns coronavirus 'may never go away' WHO warns coronavirus 'may never go away' www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/13/coronavirus-may-never-go-away-world-health-organisation-warns/The coronavirus may never go away, the World Health Organisation has warned, and called upon a "massive effort" from global governments to fight the disease as the global death toll approached 300,000. Mike Ryan, the WHO emergencies director, said on Wednesday that the virus that causes Covid-19 could become endemic like HIV, warning against any attempt to predict how long it would keep circulating. "It is important to put this on the table: this virus may become just another endemic virus in our communities, and this virus may never go away," Mr Ryan said. "I think it is important we are realistic and I don't think anyone can predict when this disease will disappear," he added. "I think there are no promises in this and there are no dates. This disease may settle into a long problem, or it may not be." However, he said the world had some control over how it coped with the disease, although this would take a "massive effort" even if a vaccine was found - a prospect he described as a "massive moonshot" .................... I nearly asked the question after Monday's press conference about why Johnson, Whitty and Valance had all of a sudden started talking about the prospect of there never being a vaccine? My wife is in the shielding group and had a letter a few weeks ago, telling her not to leave the house until at least the 30th June. My wife got quite upset at their comments because it made her feel like it was never going to end. Maybe they're now on the same page as Ryan in thinking that a vaccine is actually a massive moonshot. Leaving the politics of it aside Psul, I was just wondering about the implications of this. Aids is still a threat that we have to live with but it seems to me that as a society most of us have got used to " taking precautions" or being wary of the dangers from bodily fluids and take appropriate precautions....what is the equivalent for a virus ....in terms of daily lifestyle/ precautions?
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Post by sportsman on May 14, 2020 10:30:25 GMT
Spain and Italy haven't counted deaths in the care homes and community, early on they were so overwhelmed in some areas they couldn't get to enough people, it will be interesting to see the data when this is all over, the death rates v average death rates for all European countries. You are correct in the case of Italy, however in Spain 78% of all "excess deaths" have already been attributed to CV compared to 72% in the UK which suggests that when the dust settles we will see a bigger total rise than them. As a further comparison the likes of France, Belgium and Sweden are tracking at 90+%............... This is my point though. Its says oxo's on buses but they don't sell them. Mexico are at least relating 5 times less. Do I trust any government of any country to report accurately? Do I buggery. It's one European table no country wants to top, especially with elections coming up in some countries. I'm sorry but I don't care for the comparison table yet. I just think they're all bullshit.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 14, 2020 10:32:30 GMT
I would welcome ESOF's and others' thoughts on this article: Article: WHO warns coronavirus 'may never go away' WHO warns coronavirus 'may never go away' www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/13/coronavirus-may-never-go-away-world-health-organisation-warns/The coronavirus may never go away, the World Health Organisation has warned, and called upon a "massive effort" from global governments to fight the disease as the global death toll approached 300,000. Mike Ryan, the WHO emergencies director, said on Wednesday that the virus that causes Covid-19 could become endemic like HIV, warning against any attempt to predict how long it would keep circulating. "It is important to put this on the table: this virus may become just another endemic virus in our communities, and this virus may never go away," Mr Ryan said. "I think it is important we are realistic and I don't think anyone can predict when this disease will disappear," he added. "I think there are no promises in this and there are no dates. This disease may settle into a long problem, or it may not be." However, he said the world had some control over how it coped with the disease, although this would take a "massive effort" even if a vaccine was found - a prospect he described as a "massive moonshot" .................... It’s a sensible suggestion because as he says we just don’t know enough about it to say either way. If it mutates the way SARS did, then it will eventually largely subside, if it doesn’t and because of the pandemic spread there may be enough divergence to mean it is always circulating to some capacity in some areas. But that’s not the same as always carrying the potential threat it does now. We’ve not eradicated measles, we’ve not eradicated HIV, polio still exists despite more than half a century of vaccination. If it doesn’t disappear, we can still control it better with vaccinations with full or partial coverage, treatments, better understanding of the pathology, virology and infection patterns. HIV was a death sentence, now it’s completely manageable with treatments. Vaccines are difficult for HIV because of exponential nature of its mutations, colossally higher than Covid. The disease never going away is not the same as it always being like this. We’ll adapt and it’ll become part of our vast biosphere. The question sadly is just how many lives are lost before that occurs. I think this has been a huge wake up call to a lot of people.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 14, 2020 10:32:36 GMT
I nearly asked the question after Monday's press conference about why Johnson, Whitty and Valance had all of a sudden started talking about the prospect of there never being a vaccine? My wife is in the shielding group and had a letter a few weeks ago, telling her not to leave the house until at least the 30th June. My wife got quite upset at their comments because it made her feel like it was never going to end. Maybe they're now on the same page as Ryan in thinking that a vaccine is actually a massive moonshot. Leaving the politics of it aside Psul, I was just wondering about the implications of this. Aids is still a threat that we have to live with but it seems to me that as a society most of us have got used to " taking precautions" or being wary of the dangers from bodily fluids and take appropriate precautions....what is the equivalent for a virus ....in terms of daily lifestyle/ precautions? In what way did you think my post was political John?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 14, 2020 10:33:40 GMT
I would welcome ESOF's and others' thoughts on this article: Article: WHO warns coronavirus 'may never go away' WHO warns coronavirus 'may never go away' f7td5.app.goo.gl/vU4tYs............ The coronavirus may never go away, the World Health Organisation has warned, and called upon a "massive effort" from global governments to fight the disease as the global death toll approached 300,000. Mike Ryan, the WHO emergencies director, said on Wednesday that the virus that causes Covid-19 could become endemic like HIV, warning against any attempt to predict how long it would keep circulating. "It is important to put this on the table: this virus may become just another endemic virus in our communities, and this virus may never go away," Mr Ryan said. "I think it is important we are realistic and I don't think anyone can predict when this disease will disappear," he added. "I think there are no promises in this and there are no dates. This disease may settle into a long problem, or it may not be." However, he said the world had some control over how it coped with the disease, although this would take a "massive effort" even if a vaccine was found - a prospect he described as a "massive moonshot" .................... There's not much to discuss is there? It might not? I think that's always been an option. Look at flu. I'm just interested on the possible impacts upon daily lifestyle. I think people are more wary about getting blood on their hands , post aids....at least I know that I am and that first aiders are. You make the comparison to flu' which kills vulnerable people each year, men in particular are not brilliant on hand hygiene and the take up of the vaccine is hardly universal....will we become the same in terms of this Coronavirus or will the health implications have a greater impact?
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Post by Clem Fandango on May 14, 2020 10:33:59 GMT
They're trying to re-write history. Unfortunately for them, their neglect is a matter of public record. Peter Kyle MP has been particularly good on this. If heads roll in any future public enquiry it will be around this issue. It's horrific. Sadly the blame will no doubt spread so thin that nobody accept maybe some junior civil servant or two will be held to account.
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Post by OldStokie on May 14, 2020 10:34:54 GMT
I think the saddest thing for me with this whole virus is the negativity from so many and the amount of selfishness in society. So different to WW2 where everyone appeared to pull together to defeat the common goal. The feeling is so different Today where everyone’s just trying to point-score against each other whether it’s politicians, press or just posters on here. I appreciate it’s a very different fight but if we’d had the same attitude in 39-45 then Hitler would be laughing his boots off because we’d be fighting each other and not him. One of the biggest problems now is the mass media and the fact that everyone has a voice. Not a bad thing some would say but mighty confusing when everyone thinks they’re right. Reading some of the posts on here we might as well just give up now. I think you have something of a romanticised view of WW2. Throughout the conflict there remained a body of opinion that we should not be at war with Germany - some for pacifist reasons, others more idealogical. Numerous people avoided conscription, 'funkholes' for the wealthy existed whilst there was a thriving black market and rapes during air raids were not uncommon. It just didn't show you all that in the Pathe news reels which was subject to censorship anyway. Meanwhile back in the present - yes we've had bog roll hoarders and footballers parties breaking the lockdown but we've slso had massive lockdown compliance, over one million official volunteers to help the elderly and the shielded, thousands of local unofficial volunteer groups, students unable to study backfilling in foodbanks where regular stalwarts are self isolating and millions coming out of their houses every Thursday to show support for Care and Key workers. Social media message boards such as this are binary devices on which extreme arguements develop, some of it interesting, most of it frankly bollocks and - in the case of the Oatcake - generally populated by white middle aged males. It is therefore not representative of the wider population which by and large seems to have acted responsibly andcwith a spirit of community not seen for a few generations. As my old grandad used to say."The Good Old Days?? There wanner any!" Brilliant response SB. As one who lived through most of the war I can agree with your granddad's sentiments. Then came the 50's and 60's and I can honestly say they were the two stand-out decades following the war because people were, for the most part, pulling in the same direction. After the 60's we again became a dog-eat-dog nation where togetherness was discarded; replaced by ideological bullshit. But now, as we enter this existential crisis for humanity, we're again witnessing acts of self-sacrifice and unselfishness from many as we did after the war. There'll always be exceptions and pigs with snouts in the trough, but on the whole we're doing okay despite incompetence from those who should not be incompetent. OS.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 14, 2020 10:35:58 GMT
Leaving the politics of it aside Psul, I was just wondering about the implications of this. Aids is still a threat that we have to live with but it seems to me that as a society most of us have got used to " taking precautions" or being wary of the dangers from bodily fluids and take appropriate precautions....what is the equivalent for a virus ....in terms of daily lifestyle/ precautions? In what way did you think my post was political John? I wanted to emphasise the impact of the virus rather than whether there was agreement or not between Boris and WHO....in case people wanted to take it down that road....most of the discussion on here tends to go that way.
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Post by maxplonk on May 14, 2020 10:37:20 GMT
I think you have anger issues myself. Your hatred for certain people is deranged. More so the tony Scholes one. It goes behind having an opinion. Throwing up attachments from some 10 Bob journalist to try prove your argument. Answer the sky news report last night saying mexico is lying through its teeth and are at least 5 times out on their reported deaths. In fact they said there are that many deaths they couldn't even get close to saying how much they're out. I also believe europe are the same. We've git have private investigator looking into our estimate. Have europe? No doubt like every other country mistakes have been made for something we've never had to deal with before, but the scrutiny has just got into a political sided rant. Wonder how many arguing against the government voted for them and brexit? Homest question. Spain and Italy haven't counted deaths in the care homes and community, early on they were so overwhelmed in some areas they couldn't get to enough people, it will be interesting to see the data when this is all over, the death rates v average death rates for all European countries. Care-home deaths in Italy are estimated to be about 45%, and a higher number in Spain. Data is regularly updated here.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 10:38:35 GMT
You are correct in the case of Italy, however in Spain 78% of all "excess deaths" have already been attributed to CV compared to 72% in the UK which suggests that when the dust settles we will see a bigger total rise than them. As a further comparison the likes of France, Belgium and Sweden are tracking at 90+%............... This is my point though. Its says oxo's on buses but they don't sell them. Mexico are at least relating 5 times less. Do I trust any government of any country to report accurately? Do I buggery. It's one European table no country wants to top, especially with elections coming up in some countries. I'm sorry but I don't care for the comparison table yet. I just think they're all bullshit. So in effect you're saying that our data is accurate but you don't trust all other nations data?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 14, 2020 10:39:04 GMT
I would welcome ESOF's and others' thoughts on this article: Article: WHO warns coronavirus 'may never go away' WHO warns coronavirus 'may never go away' www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/13/coronavirus-may-never-go-away-world-health-organisation-warns/The coronavirus may never go away, the World Health Organisation has warned, and called upon a "massive effort" from global governments to fight the disease as the global death toll approached 300,000. Mike Ryan, the WHO emergencies director, said on Wednesday that the virus that causes Covid-19 could become endemic like HIV, warning against any attempt to predict how long it would keep circulating. "It is important to put this on the table: this virus may become just another endemic virus in our communities, and this virus may never go away," Mr Ryan said. "I think it is important we are realistic and I don't think anyone can predict when this disease will disappear," he added. "I think there are no promises in this and there are no dates. This disease may settle into a long problem, or it may not be." However, he said the world had some control over how it coped with the disease, although this would take a "massive effort" even if a vaccine was found - a prospect he described as a "massive moonshot" .................... I nearly asked the question after Monday's press conference about why Johnson, Whitty and Valance had all of a sudden started talking about the prospect of there never being a vaccine? My wife is in the shielding group and had a letter a few weeks ago, telling her not to leave the house until at least the 30th June. My wife got quite upset at their comments because it made her feel like it was never going to end. Maybe they're now on the same page as Ryan in thinking that a vaccine is actually a massive moonshot. I think Paul, what they wanted to emphasise is a point I agree with. The vaccine is not a guarantee, it’s a possibility and we’ll need contingencies for no vaccine, a partially effective vaccine or a full coverage vaccine. Pinning our hopes on a vaccine and not preparing for the possibility of it not working would be leading us up a blind alley. What they didn’t convey at the same time well enough for me personally (my very elderly grandmother was also upset) however is that we will find things that make it easier to deal with and increase our understanding, treatment options independent of a vaccine. We are so early into our exposure to this, we were once at this point for nearly every virus and disease you can think of. We are so well placed to find things to make our lives easier than any other point in history. I would have caveated the message about the vaccine prospects with this kind of narrative.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 14, 2020 10:40:00 GMT
I find it very odd that don't give one flying fuck about the Prime Minister lying about Care Home policy which has killed thousands. Odd and pretty sick to be honest. Who said couldn't give a fuck? Answer my questions above. Let's say this in a nutshell I have said my wife is a nursing home manager in stoke on trent. The NHS hospital in stoke had one of her residents in early on. She didn't go in with symptoms. While she was in there she got the virus. They kept her in for 14 days. They then contacted my wife at the nursing home to say mrs x can now come back to you. My wife said has she been tested? Bare in mind this was very early into what's going on. They told her no. My wife said well until she is we are not having her back. The next day she got a call saying she can come back. Guess what. They still hadn't tasted her and didn't know about yesterday call. Do you know this went on for four days until my wife put in a complaint at the hospital. A consultant apologized and said he'd get ot sorted, which it was, and she is now back. There have been no cases as we speak in a 40 bed unit. Now another nursing home she knows of is willingly taking in residents known to have the virus and there have been 9 deaths in there as we speak. She has heard that some nursing homes are offered money £100 to take in residents from hospital. She was adamant she'd risk losing her job early on before it was confirmed that testing should be done now before re admitting them. For me she did the right thing and I wish other nursing homes had done the same. She's worked at various nursing homes before here and she says that some are run that badly there's no way she'd want any of her family anywhere near them. They didn't even wear aprons when serving meals or dealing with care on a normal basis. Health care workers didn't even know they should wear them. Of course mistakes have been made, but for me if every nursing home manager had acted like my wife there would be a lot less deaths also. Well quite. There have been some heroic care home managers taking matters into their own hands to avoid the Government 'body bag' Policy.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 14, 2020 10:43:22 GMT
In what way did you think my post was political John? I wanted to emphasise the impact of the virus rather than whether there was agreement or not between Boris and WHO....in case people wanted to take it down that road....most of the discussion on here tends to go that way. I don't think whether Boris agrees with WHO or not, is necessarily political. Your link provided a quote from a leading member of the WHO which said he thought the idea of a vaccine was a "complete moonshot" and if Boris, Whitty and Valance are in agreement with him, then that might answer my question as to why they started talking about a possibility of there never being a vaccine, at the press conference on Monday.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 14, 2020 10:45:54 GMT
I nearly asked the question after Monday's press conference about why Johnson, Whitty and Valance had all of a sudden started talking about the prospect of there never being a vaccine? My wife is in the shielding group and had a letter a few weeks ago, telling her not to leave the house until at least the 30th June. My wife got quite upset at their comments because it made her feel like it was never going to end. Maybe they're now on the same page as Ryan in thinking that a vaccine is actually a massive moonshot. I think Paul, what they wanted to emphasise is a point I agree with. The vaccine is not a guarantee, it’s a possibility and we’ll need contingencies for no vaccine, a partially effective vaccine or a full coverage vaccine. Pinning our hopes on a vaccine and not preparing for the possibility of it not working would be leading us up a blind alley. What they didn’t convey at the same time well enough for me personally (my very elderly grandmother was also upset) however is that we will find things that make it easier to deal with and increase our understanding, treatment options independent of a vaccine. We are so early into our exposure to this, we were once at this point for nearly every virus and disease you can think of. We are so well placed to find things to make our lives easier than any other point in history. I would have caveated the message about the vaccine prospects with this kind of narrative. Thanks for that Matt, excellent answer.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 14, 2020 10:47:04 GMT
Leaving the politics of it aside Psul, I was just wondering about the implications of this. Aids is still a threat that we have to live with but it seems to me that as a society most of us have got used to " taking precautions" or being wary of the dangers from bodily fluids and take appropriate precautions....what is the equivalent for a virus ....in terms of daily lifestyle/ precautions? In what way did you think my post was political John? And on reflection Paul , apologies, I'm not saying that YOU were making it political....in many ways I wanted clarification like Dee, I don't want it to go on forever and I hope for little impact on lifestyle in the medium and longterm....I don't listen to the updates at the moment so didn't really pick up on what was said....but again I am thankful to ESOF's optimism( above post) in light of the possible outcomes of this virus
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Post by sportsman on May 14, 2020 10:48:26 GMT
Who said couldn't give a fuck? Answer my questions above. Let's say this in a nutshell I have said my wife is a nursing home manager in stoke on trent. The NHS hospital in stoke had one of her residents in early on. She didn't go in with symptoms. While she was in there she got the virus. They kept her in for 14 days. They then contacted my wife at the nursing home to say mrs x can now come back to you. My wife said has she been tested? Bare in mind this was very early into what's going on. They told her no. My wife said well until she is we are not having her back. The next day she got a call saying she can come back. Guess what. They still hadn't tasted her and didn't know about yesterday call. Do you know this went on for four days until my wife put in a complaint at the hospital. A consultant apologized and said he'd get ot sorted, which it was, and she is now back. There have been no cases as we speak in a 40 bed unit. Now another nursing home she knows of is willingly taking in residents known to have the virus and there have been 9 deaths in there as we speak. She has heard that some nursing homes are offered money £100 to take in residents from hospital. She was adamant she'd risk losing her job early on before it was confirmed that testing should be done now before re admitting them. For me she did the right thing and I wish other nursing homes had done the same. She's worked at various nursing homes before here and she says that some are run that badly there's no way she'd want any of her family anywhere near them. They didn't even wear aprons when serving meals or dealing with care on a normal basis. Health care workers didn't even know they should wear them. Of course mistakes have been made, but for me if every nursing home manager had acted like my wife there would be a lot less deaths also. Well quite. There have been some heroic care home managers taking matters into their own hands to avoid the Government 'body bag' Policy. That's right. I just wonder where we'd be now and what would have happened if every nursing home manager showed 'common sense' for want of a better word in refusing to allow them in? Like I say she knows of one that is willingly taking them in without question. Surely they couldn't have forced them back? My wife would have bolted the door first. So for me, as much as we can point the finger to government or nhs protocol at the time, nursing home managers should have politely told them to get f....d until they've been tested. I know some don't like the phrase but for me it is common sense.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 14, 2020 10:49:33 GMT
In what way did you think my post was political John? And on reflection Paul , apologies, I'm not saying that YOU were making it political....in many ways I wanted clarification like Dee, I don't want it to go on forever and I hope for little impact on lifestyle in the medium and longterm....I don't listen to the updates at the moment so didn't really pick up on what was said....but again I am thankful to ESOF's optimism( above post) in light of the possible outcomes of this virus Yes we're extremely lucky to have Matt on board mate. 👍
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 14, 2020 10:53:14 GMT
Well quite. There have been some heroic care home managers taking matters into their own hands to avoid the Government 'body bag' Policy. That's right. I just wonder where we'd be now and what would have happened if every nursing home manager showed 'common sense' for want of a better word in refusing to allow them in? Like I say she knows of one that is willingly taking them in without question. Surely they couldn't have forced them back? My wife would have bolted the door first. So for me, as much as we can point the finger to government or nhs protocol at the time, nursing home managers should have politely told them to get f....d until they've been tested. I know some don't like the phrase but for me it is common sense. What you've just said, is that they should have ignored the government advice and used their own personal common sense instead. If that's the case, what's the point in the Government issuing the advice in the first place?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 14, 2020 10:53:44 GMT
And on reflection Paul , apologies, I'm not saying that YOU were making it political....in many ways I wanted clarification like Dee, I don't want it to go on forever and I hope for little impact on lifestyle in the medium and longterm....I don't listen to the updates at the moment so didn't really pick up on what was said....but again I am thankful to ESOF's optimism( above post) in light of the possible outcomes of this virus Yes we're extremely lucky to have Matt on board mate. 👍 It's an individual thing Paul but , for me, I'd simply absolutely hate the wearing of masks to become the " norm"....it might not bother others....but I just don't think that ' normsl' life is meant to be like that. It is the ' norm' for people who have or may have contact with blood to wear gloves.....I don't want it to be the ' norm' to wear masks...because we MIGHT have contact with something that we can't see.....a life lived in a state of low level fear?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2020 10:55:52 GMT
There's not much to discuss is there? It might not? I think that's always been an option. Look at flu. I'm just interested on the possible impacts upon daily lifestyle. I think people are more wary about getting blood on their hands , post aids....at least I know that I am and that first aiders are. You make the comparison to flu' which kills vulnerable people each year, men in particular are not brilliant on hand hygiene and the take up of the vaccine is hardly universal....will we become the same in terms of this Coronavirus or will the health implications have a greater impact? Hygiene has to improve surely? I was shocked by the flu stats tbh and find them wholly unacceptable I hope others have too. Nevermind just why wouldn't you wash your hands after going to the toilet? Dirty fucks. The guidelines they bought out around it I didn't think needed saying. Horrible But a good question yeah, who knows? It seems a good number of places have got it under control. Taiwan haven't had a case for a month, they're letting crowds of 2000 into their baseball games from tomorrow, restaurants are open etc. But for us, we've got to get on top of it, improve our hygiene for sure as it does seem to curb this, have a proper tracing thing so if there is an outbreak like in South Korea with the clubs you can isolate it as best as possible. Face masks as well do seem to help. I think for the next 12 months at least we've all got to just look after each other that's why I hate this party line thing. I want the government to win at this, it means the country is doing well. I could not give a fuck what they are, that's irrelevant, them doing a good job is all that matters. We need unity but you look at the language they're using around furlough, it's divisive, you've got govt attack dog journos attacking teachers for not being brave etc. It's bullshit. We've got to act like the person you're walking next to, sitting near on the bus is your own Gran and how would you want her to be treated? I don't see that happening though.
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