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Post by chad on May 14, 2020 8:33:21 GMT
Sheik. Go onto Google. Type in “Corbyns Lies” Interesting isn’t it Just saying like 😊
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 14, 2020 8:33:27 GMT
We are close to having an antibody test released in this country. Probably the one from Roche with high sensitivity and specificity. So I despair a little bit when I still see people talking about “Immunity Certificates” as a thing. These tests are also not the 15 minute “strip” tests or lateral flow assays described earlier. They are read on a machine in a lab so I imagine turnover will be similar to PCR testing in terms of timescale.
Proof of antibodies is proof of contact and infection. It is not yet proof of any protective or immune capacity, so I think the information on spread is going to be more important than the information it will give us about “getting back to work”/immune capacity.
On that front we just have to wait a bit.
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Post by longtonlad67 on May 14, 2020 8:35:13 GMT
I didn't bother too many people because it didn't result in the terror that the left like to think it did.Is that the austerity that was required after the 2008 crash? It's strange that some people, who didn't grasp the size of the 2008 crash, now understand the impact of a recession. Austerity didn't stop young immigrants coming over to the UK to deliver pizzas in London, live in a one bedroom flat and have five kids. Our immigration policies have allowed people with no skills who are prepared to live in this conditions to move to the UK. The highest earners lost the biggest % of their income after 2008 but this fact is lost on the Labour voters. There's no chance that anyone in the private sector or anyone with half a brain will want to take a tax hit to increase public sector wages or pay for immigrants\people from BAME backgrounds to have bigger houses. The tax hit will be required to manage the deficit. The more Labour play the BAME game the harder they'll get hit by the electorate. Starmer knows it. It didn't bother a large chunk of the people it didn't affect. For those people self interest will always trump everything else so it's fairly pointless having the debate. Only if/when it impacted them personally would their attitude change....... So what do you want to happen? Self-interest is evident in every section of our society.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 8:37:43 GMT
It didn't bother a large chunk of the people it didn't affect. For those people self interest will always trump everything else so it's fairly pointless having the debate. Only if/when it impacted them personally would their attitude change....... So what do you want to happen? Self-interest is evident in every section of our society. What do I want to happen about what sorry?
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 14, 2020 8:40:00 GMT
Sheik. Go onto Google. Type in “Corbyns Lies” Interesting isn’t it Just saying like 😊 Corbyn's a back bencher. Johnson is a failing lying bastard out of his depth. A blustering buffoon, more Chuckle Brother than Churchill. If I had a relative who died of this virus in a care home and listened to him telling bare faced lies yesterday about locking them down before the rest of the country to cover his sorry fat arse, I'd like to go around and kick him in the balls so hard they came out of his ridiculous tousled mop. He an irredeemable wanker. An utter, utter shit of a man.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 14, 2020 8:40:55 GMT
It’s not that clear but seems like it’s specificity they’re talking about. ie, has very few false negatives I believe. Specificity would be false positives (it won’t cross react with non Covid antibodies and give a positive) but it’s decent news. From reading the manufacturers specs it’s 99.8% Specificity (False positives) and 100% Sensitive (False Negatives). Will need some validation but it’s similar to the Abbott one that has now been validated and even outperformed the manufacturers specs.
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Post by leicspotter on May 14, 2020 8:45:00 GMT
they really are incompetent Results of tens of thousands of Covid-19 tests disappear into ‘black hole’ linkwho are ? I think / hope that when we eventually get through this there will be a long overdue overhaul of the Civil Service. Ministers are responsible for policy, and that will inevitably be politically driven, but the day-to-day activities are managed by the Whitehall Mandarins and their teams Political scholars might tell us that this is fundamental to good government, but recent history suggests that it is also obstructive to getting things done, and not just in the UK either. Procurement, logistics, testing...all managed by Civil Servants...yet it is always the Ministers who get pilloried...and heaven forbid they try and get the Mandarins to pull their fingers out...
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2020 8:47:11 GMT
You just don’t know that about WW2 The reality is and what you really mean is you don’t like people seeing things differently to you and want everybody to agree with your stance otherwise it’s negativity ....33k dead and rising, ignoring warnings about sending lambs to the slaughter at care homes without testing them to clear hospital beds but let’s just bang the positivity drum and pull together Nobody knew for sure what was about to hit us no matter who or what you are as it affects everybody but the government have ignored all prior warnings to this, the PM did not attend any COBR meetings on the issue ( they are only set up in national emergencies) and it’s ignored everything that was agreed 4 years ago by the then Conservative cabinet and experts as to plan for such a scenario It’s an absolute disgrace and could well end up in the courts or another general election as it appears it wasn’t set up at all I’m not disagreeing with the fact that huge mistakes have been made or that people will have differing views to me and I’ll respect that and can be non aggressive and not rude / abusive about someone else’s opinion. I don’t think for a minute that every life lost is Not a tragedy. I just think that the more we get entrenched in negativity (what does it achieve) then the more it drags everyone down. I guess ultimately we’re all made differently. Maybe not watching the news everyday 24/7 helps or having any sort of political aliegence. Unlike some on here I never pretend to be an expert. There's nothing to be positive about. We had a bad situation made worse by bad decisions and then are told to be positive. You're having a laugh surely?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 8:50:04 GMT
We are close to having an antibody test released in this country. Probably the one from Roche with high sensitivity and specificity. So I despair a little bit when I still see people talking about “Immunity Certificates” as a thing. These tests are also not the 15 minute “strip” tests or lateral flow assays described earlier. They are read on a machine in a lab so I imagine turnover will be similar to PCR testing in terms of timescale. Proof of antibodies is proof of contact and infection. It is not yet proof of any protective or immune capacity, so I think the information on spread is going to be more important than the information it will give us about “getting back to work”/immune capacity. On that front we just have to wait a bit. How long do we need wait to have some initial findings regarding immunity?
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Post by longtonlad67 on May 14, 2020 8:50:15 GMT
Sheik. Go onto Google. Type in “Corbyns Lies” Interesting isn’t it Just saying like 😊 Corbyn's a back bencher. Johnson is a failing lying bastard out of his depth. A blustering buffoon, more Chuckle Brother than Churchill. If I had a relative who died of this virus in a care home and listened to him telling bare faced lies yesterday about locking them down before the rest of the country to cover his sorry fat arse, I'd like to go around and kick him in the balls so hard they came out of his ridiculous tousled mop. He an irredeemable wanker. An utter, utter shit of a man. Which bare-faced lie was that? Have you seen Johnson's response to Starmer's point about care homes in PMQs? It shows that Starmer was taking content from a report out of context for political gain. Now there is an utter, utter shit of a man. A man who has no responsibility to manage the current pandemic but is in a position to help the nation in many ways. Instead of doing the latter he's acting like a cunt. Many of my Labour voting friends are disappointed in his approach after he made the right noises when he won the leadership.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 14, 2020 8:50:53 GMT
We are close to having an antibody test released in this country. Probably the one from Roche with high sensitivity and specificity. So I despair a little bit when I still see people talking about “Immunity Certificates” as a thing. These tests are also not the 15 minute “strip” tests or lateral flow assays described earlier. They are read on a machine in a lab so I imagine turnover will be similar to PCR testing in terms of timescale. Proof of antibodies is proof of contact and infection. It is not yet proof of any protective or immune capacity, so I think the information on spread is going to be more important than the information it will give us about “getting back to work”/immune capacity. On that front we just have to wait a bit. I guess these sort of comments don't help Matt ... "The great thing about having a test to see whether you've had it enough, is suddenly a green light goes on above your head and you can go back to work safe and confident in the knowledge that you are most unlikely to get it again."
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 14, 2020 8:52:28 GMT
We are close to having an antibody test released in this country. Probably the one from Roche with high sensitivity and specificity. So I despair a little bit when I still see people talking about “Immunity Certificates” as a thing. These tests are also not the 15 minute “strip” tests or lateral flow assays described earlier. They are read on a machine in a lab so I imagine turnover will be similar to PCR testing in terms of timescale. Proof of antibodies is proof of contact and infection. It is not yet proof of any protective or immune capacity, so I think the information on spread is going to be more important than the information it will give us about “getting back to work”/immune capacity. On that front we just have to wait a bit. I guess these sort of comments don't help Matt ... "The great thing about having a test to see whether you've had it enough, is suddenly a green light goes on above your head and you can go back to work safe and confident in the knowledge that you are most unlikely to get it again." Roche’s own press release for this assay literally says “As of April 24th, no study has evaluated whether the presence of these antibodies confers immunity to subsequent infection by this virus in humans”. So no, probably not helpful!
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Post by longtonlad67 on May 14, 2020 8:52:35 GMT
I’m not disagreeing with the fact that huge mistakes have been made or that people will have differing views to me and I’ll respect that and can be non aggressive and not rude / abusive about someone else’s opinion. I don’t think for a minute that every life lost is Not a tragedy. I just think that the more we get entrenched in negativity (what does it achieve) then the more it drags everyone down. I guess ultimately we’re all made differently. Maybe not watching the news everyday 24/7 helps or having any sort of political aliegence. Unlike some on here I never pretend to be an expert. There's nothing to be positive about. We had a bad situation made worse by bad decisions and then are told to be positive. You're having a laugh surely? There's nothing positive about you. That's why you're bored the tits off most people on this forum over the past few weeks. You've just explained why you've been such a miserable twat on this subject. It's because you're a miserable excuse-ridden twat.
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Post by Han Solo on May 14, 2020 8:53:10 GMT
I’m not disagreeing with the fact that huge mistakes have been made or that people will have differing views to me and I’ll respect that and can be non aggressive and not rude / abusive about someone else’s opinion. I don’t think for a minute that every life lost is Not a tragedy. I just think that the more we get entrenched in negativity (what does it achieve) then the more it drags everyone down. I guess ultimately we’re all made differently. Maybe not watching the news everyday 24/7 helps or having any sort of political aliegence. Unlike some on here I never pretend to be an expert. There's nothing to be positive about. We had a bad situation made worse by bad decisions and then are told to be positive. You're having a laugh surely? There isn’t anything positive about what’s happened of course not. What I’m saying is we have to keep going and not give up. There’s always hope. I guess that’s what I’m trying to say. If the whole country chucks the towel in what is there left. We clearly have different views. We need to try to look forward without forgetting the tragedy that has occurred.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2020 8:53:55 GMT
There's nothing to be positive about. We had a bad situation made worse by bad decisions and then are told to be positive. You're having a laugh surely? There's nothing positive about you. That's why you're bored the tits off most people on this forum over the past few weeks. You've just explained why you've been such a miserable twat on this subject. It's because you're a miserable excuse-ridden twat. Sorry I'm not hopping around at joy at thousands of my country men and women dying. It's like the fucking twilight zone.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2020 8:57:39 GMT
There's nothing to be positive about. We had a bad situation made worse by bad decisions and then are told to be positive. You're having a laugh surely? There isn’t anything positive about what’s happened of course not. What I’m saying is we have to keep going and not give up. There’s always hope. I guess that’s what I’m trying to say. If the whole country chucks the towel in what is there left. We clearly have different views. We need to try to look forward without forgetting the tragedy that has occurred. No one is giving up are they? Certainly not on here. One great hope I see is this shitshow of a government are actually being bought to account by the opposition. Questions are being asked and answers are expected. This is good us for all. Wanting them being held to account isn't throwing the towel in, it should be happening anyway and will make us a better country for it. To me this is like when people were defending Hughes when we were losing 4-0 every week, your post could have been right from them days. Burying your head in the sand and blind loyalty wasn't the order of the day and it most definitely isn't now.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 14, 2020 9:02:36 GMT
Corbyn's a back bencher. Johnson is a failing lying bastard out of his depth. A blustering buffoon, more Chuckle Brother than Churchill. If I had a relative who died of this virus in a care home and listened to him telling bare faced lies yesterday about locking them down before the rest of the country to cover his sorry fat arse, I'd like to go around and kick him in the balls so hard they came out of his ridiculous tousled mop. He an irredeemable wanker. An utter, utter shit of a man. Which bare-faced lie was that? Have you seen Johnson's response to Starmer's point about care homes in PMQs? It shows that Starmer was taking content from a report out of context for political gain. Now there is an utter, utter shit of a man. A man who has no responsibility to manage the current pandemic but is in a position to help the nation in many ways. Instead of doing the latter he's acting like a cunt. Many of my Labour voting friends are disappointed in his approach after he made the right noises when he won the leadership. He said he locked care homes down before the general lockdown. Absolute horseshit. Hospital discharges of positive residents continued and staff continued working between care homes. He's a lying twat. The response from No 10 was a joke designed to appease the any old jizz swallowers. Starmer (of whom I am no fan) was quoting an entirely different section of the report than the one No 10 said he misquoted. Still job done, the lies and misdirection continuie and morons lap it up.......and old people still die because his negligent failings.
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Post by Little Gary Patel on May 14, 2020 9:10:37 GMT
There's nothing to be positive about. We had a bad situation made worse by bad decisions and then are told to be positive. You're having a laugh surely? There's nothing positive about you. That's why you're bored the tits off most people on this forum over the past few weeks. You've just explained why you've been such a miserable twat on this subject. It's because you're a miserable excuse-ridden twat. Someone got out of bed on the wrong side this morning. A lot of angry people on this board just lately. All from crapslingers right wing gang too Next MeltDown Betting sportsman50 - 8/11 longtonlad67 - 7/4 dutchstokie -3/1 medwaypotter - 6/1 crapslinger - 16/1
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Post by stokeson on May 14, 2020 9:25:35 GMT
I think you have something of a romanticised view of WW2. Throughout the conflict there remained a body of opinion that we should not be at war with Germany - some for pacifist reasons, others more idealogical. Numerous people avoided conscription, 'funkholes' for the wealthy existed whilst there was a thriving black market and rapes during air raids were not uncommon. It just didn't show you all that in the Pathe news reels which was subject to censorship anyway. Meanwhile back in the present - yes we've had bog roll hoarders and footballers parties breaking the lockdown but we've slso had massive lockdown compliance, over one million official volunteers to help the elderly and the shielded, thousands of local unofficial volunteer groups, students unable to study backfilling in foodbanks where regular stalwarts are self isolating and millions coming out of their houses every Thursday to show support for Care and Key workers. Social media message boards such as this are binary devices on which extreme arguements develop, some of it interesting, most of it frankly bollocks and - in the case of the Oatcake - generally populated by white middle aged males. It is therefore not representative of the wider population which by and large seems to have acted responsibly andcwith a spirit of community not seen for a few generations. As my old grandad used to say."The Good Old Days?? There wanner any!" and plenty of government procurement balls ups to get annoyed about as well when you look at some of the aircraf the RAF used and some of the tanks the Army fielded. Watched "Tubruk " yesterday (I know lockdown and war films..). At one point I was thinking hang on . Wrong equipment tanks ect. Rubbish leadership. Tactics from the darkages. Then i thought PPE/ Boris/ Herd Emmunity not much changed.......
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on May 14, 2020 9:27:35 GMT
I didn't bother too many people because it didn't result in the terror that the left like to think it did. Is that the austerity that was required after the 2008 crash? It's strange that some people, who didn't grasp the size of the 2008 crash, now understand the impact of a recession. Austerity didn't stop young immigrants coming over to the UK to deliver pizzas in London, live in a one bedroom flat and have five kids. Our immigration policies have allowed people with no skills who are prepared to live in this conditions to move to the UK. The highest earners lost the biggest % of their income after 2008 but this fact is lost on the Labour voters. There's no chance that anyone in the private by or anyone with half a brain will want to take a tax hit to increase public sector wages or pay for immigrants\people from BAME backgrounds to have bigger houses. The tax hit will be required to manage the deficit. The more Labour play the BAME game the harder they'll get hit by the electorate. Starmer knows it. Good grief, straight out of the BNP/BXP playbook. Yes, but if we were all white we'd be happier! Although ginger's and fatties should watch there back! Only joking it would only be blonde haired blue eyed whitey's allowed! ESOF is there any statistical evidence blonde haired blue eyed people are immune?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2020 9:28:49 GMT
and plenty of government procurement balls ups to get annoyed about as well when you look at some of the aircraf the RAF used and some of the tanks the Army fielded. Watched "Tubruk " yesterday (I know lockdown and war films..). A one point I was thinking hang on . Wrong equipment tanks ect. Rubbish leadership. Tactics from the darkages. Then i thought PPE/Boris/Herd E not much changed....... How many commanders did we send to North Africa before Monty? It was like a revolving door. And lets remeber that for the first half of the war we were pretty average and just kept our head above the water.
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Post by longtonlad67 on May 14, 2020 9:39:05 GMT
One of today's idiotic Guardian articles, one of many, is this: Guardian Crap
This is an example of the type of crap that the left have churned out over the weeks. The author fails to realise that the difference between working from home and having to travel to work isn't because of a class divide, it's because some people have jobs where they can work from home whereas others don't. It really is that simple but we have so-called intelligent people coming out with this garbage. How are security staff, transport workers, construction workers, cleaners and health and care professionals meant to carry out their jobs from home? Having to travel to work doesn't mean that you have a poor job. He then goes on to say: He's ticking all of the lefty whinge boxes now - 'consultants, City traders', everyone the lefties don't like. What about the legions of public sector white collar staff in overpaid bullshit jobs? I'd wager that there's more bloat in the upper tiers of our public sector than there is any many private sector organisations. They're all working from home too but they're conveniently left out of his article. I bet some on this forum have read the same article, tutted and thought 'Yeh - it's a disgrace'.
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Post by stokeson on May 14, 2020 9:42:41 GMT
Mate...75 posts and all rightwing bollocks. I would suspect you were a Bot but Bots are smart.....
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Post by Han Solo on May 14, 2020 9:46:57 GMT
There isn’t anything positive about what’s happened of course not. What I’m saying is we have to keep going and not give up. There’s always hope. I guess that’s what I’m trying to say. If the whole country chucks the towel in what is there left. We clearly have different views. We need to try to look forward without forgetting the tragedy that has occurred. No one is giving up are they? Certainly not on here. One great hope I see is this shitshow of a government are actually being bought to account by the opposition. Questions are being asked and answers are expected. This is good us for all. Wanting them being held to account isn't throwing the towel in, it should be happening anyway and will make us a better country for it. To me this is like when people were defending Hughes when we were losing 4-0 every week, your post could have been right from them days. Burying your head in the sand and blind loyalty wasn't the order of the day and it most definitely isn't now. Yep and look what happened when Hughes left we went from bad to worse. Sometimes the grass isn’t always greener. Lets not kid ourselves that mistakes wouldn’t be made with labour in power.
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 14, 2020 9:47:10 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2020 9:48:07 GMT
One of today's idiotic Guardian articles, one of many, is this: Guardian Crap
This is an example of the type of crap that the left have churned out over the weeks. The author fails to realise that the difference between working from home and having to travel to work isn't because of a class divide, it's because some people have jobs where they can work from home whereas others don't. It really is that simple but we have so-called intelligent people coming out with this garbage. How are security staff, transport workers, construction workers, cleaners and health and care professionals meant to carry out their jobs from home? Having to travel to work doesn't mean that you have a poor job. He then goes on to say: He's ticking all of the lefty whinge boxes now - 'consultants, City traders', everyone the lefties don't like. What about the legions of public sector white collar staff in overpaid bullshit jobs? I'd wager that there's more bloat in the upper tiers of our public sector than there is any many private sector organisations. They're all working from home too but they're conveniently left out of his article. I bet some on this forum have read the same article, tutted and thought 'Yeh - it's a disgrace'. If you can't see the link then there's no hope.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2020 9:50:21 GMT
No one is giving up are they? Certainly not on here. One great hope I see is this shitshow of a government are actually being bought to account by the opposition. Questions are being asked and answers are expected. This is good us for all. Wanting them being held to account isn't throwing the towel in, it should be happening anyway and will make us a better country for it. To me this is like when people were defending Hughes when we were losing 4-0 every week, your post could have been right from them days. Burying your head in the sand and blind loyalty wasn't the order of the day and it most definitely isn't now. Yep and look what happened when Hughes left we went from bad to worse. Sometimes the grass isn’t always greener. Lets not kid ourselves that mistakes wouldn’t be made with labour in power. No Hughes needed to go at least 8 months before is the correct answer. You've had hindsight to see that ffs. I don't give a shit about Labour. That's an absolutely pointless argument.
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Post by stokeson on May 14, 2020 9:54:01 GMT
No one is giving up are they? Certainly not on here. One great hope I see is this shitshow of a government are actually being bought to account by the opposition. Questions are being asked and answers are expected. This is good us for all. Wanting them being held to account isn't throwing the towel in, it should be happening anyway and will make us a better country for it. To me this is like when people were defending Hughes when we were losing 4-0 every week, your post could have been right from them days. Burying your head in the sand and blind loyalty wasn't the order of the day and it most definitely isn't now. Yep and look what happened when Hughes left we went from bad to worse. Sometimes the grass isn’t always greener. Lets not kid ourselves that mistakes wouldn’t be made with labour in power. Right now weve gone from May/Hughes to Boris/Jones......
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 14, 2020 9:57:45 GMT
It's like when Werrington said he'd got it and was going back to work I asked him if he'd had another test to make sure he was negative. And he said he didn't need to. And again this isn't having a go at him so don't take it as so Werrington I don't know what job he does in the NHS but surely any member of NHS staff that has tested positive needs to test negative to start work again or what's the point? Yeah they might feel better and done the quarantine but what's to say they haven't still got it? I know the chances are slim but it's not a chance I'd want to take if I was hospital manager or whoever. But again that should imo be a government lead thing. They should insist NHS workers can only go back to work if they are negative and just thought to be so. That above re care homes is just horrible.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 14, 2020 9:58:37 GMT
They're trying to re-write history. Unfortunately for them, their neglect is a matter of public record. Peter Kyle MP has been particularly good on this. If heads roll in any future public enquiry it will be around this issue. It's horrific.
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