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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 31, 2020 14:21:44 GMT
The first domestic UK case was four weeks after Italy's. Regardless of nationality or internal spread, am i correct in thinking the virus was detected in the UK before Italy ? The first British national to get the virus was a skier in the Alps at the end of January, not sure when the first Italian was reported to have contracted it.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 31, 2020 14:23:20 GMT
Good points redstriper, but I would prefer to think of our wonderful neighbours and a lady from the church we go to who have done shopping for us. In fact I worry about hurting someone's feelings who has offered to help us and we haven't taken them up on the offer. No doubt over the next 3 months we will resolve that one.
The NHS and many other workers are doing a wonderful job and we are all realising that there are far more important things in life than football, etc. There will always be those evil people who will try and take advantage, but most are not like that, thank God.
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Post by stokeson on Mar 31, 2020 14:25:27 GMT
That 25% figure is alarming and I think it was specific to Doctors rather than healthcare workers in the round . Also if I heard right the %25 includes not only Doctors who are sick themselves but also Doctors who are self isolating owing to a sick family member. One of my good friends who works as a local authority regional manager in the social care sector has been asking for over a week for stocks of face masks, gowns, gloves etc for her team and she’s been told they are imminent. At head office this morning they were given one face mask each. That’s it..... My daughter is using stock donated by the local PDSA. unbeliveble....
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 31, 2020 14:26:07 GMT
Can’t believe this is still happening 🙄 Absolutely bizarre that we have police in the shires cracking down on people walking dogs in remote fields whilst city commuters continue to cough and snort over each other on confined public transport. It is utterly ridiculous and just makes the government's strategy look all over the place.
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Post by mark on Mar 31, 2020 14:29:25 GMT
Can’t believe this is still happening 🙄 Well if workplaces won't shut down it will keep on happening. How else do you think people are going pay their bills?
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 31, 2020 14:29:47 GMT
I went for a walk earlier. No problems, across the Deer Park, and plenty of room for spacing. A handful of Dog Walkers all behaving, and most people round here know who everyone else is. I may have seen 20 people out and about and from experience it is usually similar at other times of the day. Yes my only exercise of the day, but the time tends to vary according to the timetable.
However at one point you can see what amounts to a major interchange in these parts (There's a Cows only lane, and a refuge for vehicles turning right). Last week in the same place I saw very little traffic. Perhaps a car every minute or two, or perhaps a mini convoy of two or three vehicles at once. But nothing like it might be when there is a school run or whatever. This week unfortunately is different, and yesterday there was perceptibly more traffic around. Today the traffic volume seems to have increased again. It would seem that since the weekend there have definitely been more people driving around. I suspect that the lockdown is beginning to fail, simply because not everybody observes it. I am sure that people are already fed up, and they see others on the road and think sod this, if its ok for other people its ok for me and I'll go for a drive.
I shall watch the pattern and any developments with concern.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 31, 2020 14:31:40 GMT
One of my good friends who works as a local authority regional manager in the social care sector has been asking for over a week for stocks of face masks, gowns, gloves etc for her team and she’s been told they are imminent. At head office this morning they were given one face mask each. That’s it..... My daughter is using stock donated by the local PDSA. unbeliveble.... Yeah they've been getting it from all over the shop. I know both local uni's have donated what they have to the cause.
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Post by musik on Mar 31, 2020 14:36:17 GMT
GOOD NEWS
According to Ali Mirazimi, clinical biology professor, Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm, Sweden, researchers are developing a medicine that's supposed to neutralize the Corona molecule.
Best scenario: Out in July/August 2020. Worst scenario: December 2020.
Promising. More tests to be done. Licenses. Rules.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 31, 2020 14:39:00 GMT
GOOD NEWS According to Ali Mirazimi, clinical biology professor, Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm, Sweden, researchers are developing a medicine that's supposed to neutralize the Corona molecule. Best scenario: Out in July/August 2020. Worst scenario: December 2020. Promising. More tests to be done. Licenses. Rules. ✌️ So does that mean vaccination won't be necessary because if you get it you can simply take a pill (or a course of pills)?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 14:41:26 GMT
That 25% figure is alarming and I think it was specific to Doctors rather than healthcare workers in the round . Also if I heard right the %25 includes not only Doctors who are sick themselves but also Doctors who are self isolating owing to a sick family member. One of my good friends who works as a local authority regional manager in the social care sector has been asking for over a week for stocks of face masks, gowns, gloves etc for her team and she’s been told they are imminent. At head office this morning they were given one face mask each. That’s it..... That's lucky, genuinely. My lady works in front line health care, and before they were closed and furloughed, they had to rely on favours from the husband of one of the staff that worked there as all of the official channels had sold out and could not get them for all the money they could throw at it.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 31, 2020 14:55:12 GMT
I can't see the point of the political point scoring on here. It's unnecessary, because history says that Boris and the Tories are toast after this anyway. Remember Churchill lost in 1945 - the reasons being that the country will be virtually bankrupt and no leader can survive that level of economic strife, plus wherever there are tough choices (and there are hundreds of them with this) there will be people who feel hard done by or unfairly treated in comparison, and so he will gradually alienate the majority over something or other. The new third reason is that in years gone by it was accepted that some people would die unnecessarily due to mistakes. War is sometimes described as a catalogue of mistakes, and this is a war. But, nowadays not a single life can be lost without it being somebodies fault, and a shit-storm of criticism follows. That criticism can now be made much more effectively (and anonymously) through new channels - even by those not in possession of the true facts. Personally I'm not a fan of Boris's, but i can empathise with the difficulties of managing the situation. I won't shed any tears when he loses, but I'll stay disenfranchised from the self seeking, hand wringing turds who get in next time and pretend they had all the answers. The situation is already bringing out the best and worst in humanity. Those who hoard, spite bile, exploit the situation for their own gains, steal from food banks, moan constantly, pretend they are coughing to sit in the sun whilst colleagues crack under the workload, those who criticise everything without the guile to come up with anything better, and generally put themselves and their egos before everything else. All I can say is there are plenty of us who wont forget. If the tedious left v right thing can't be let go. Then maybe another thread just to discuss the facts and philosophise would be a good addition. This is my last post on this one. I wouldn't stake to much money on Boris being toast Unlike Churchill he is not in charge of a coalition government And has no need to have a election until another four and a half years The chances of Boris's re election will not be decided by the next few months un less God forbid its a complete disaster It will be how he handles the recovery in four years time people will tend to vote with there pocket And of course the strength of the opposition Remember that using the example of Churchill you should take into account it was five year crisis And Churchill never had time to sort the peace
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 31, 2020 14:56:09 GMT
So how does that help right now? It doesn't how does criticising other governments help right now, if the Chinese had been honest and truthful the rest of the World would have had at least another month to prepare for this shit storm. The Chinese Govt couldn't have been that secretive. I was getting emails from nearly all my Chinese students (I teach about 35 of them) over Xmas saying that classes and exams at the end of January should be postponed and the University should be closed down because of this virus and the dangers from students mixing, relating horror stories from China. They were all wearing masks then and nervous about socially interacting These were all forwarded to the University who I know for a fact were forwarding this on to Govt bodies (as Unis follow Gov't guidelines) To their horror, they were being told very assertively that the British Govt guideline was BUSINESS AS USUAL. They were told they would fail if they did not attend exams. Chinese students are notoriously patriotic in fact some of them are sponsored directly by their Gov't. They would not being saying anything that their Gov't would want them to say. They never do. They are carefully monitored. In January though Chinese students were still freely flying back and forth from China to UK without any checks some of them to the Wuhan region. If they were aware of it, then I'm damn sure our Gov't were aware of the dangers we were about to face. 2 months later we were still being told it was ok to shake hands.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 31, 2020 15:00:11 GMT
Where did this pandemic originate from Mick ? the whole World should be criticising the PRC that's the whole point, blaming other governments for having to deal with this mess is out of order. The whole point is that you criticised someone for doing something you then did yourself in the same bloody post, you weapon Big difference Mick and you know it ! I criticised the Country where this started not a country that has ended up having to deal with the result of their covering up and blatant lying, hopefully we and the rest of the World will recover from this shit when it does let's see who they are pinning this shit on, the whole World should be looking to only dealing with China as a last resort, this would require going back to becoming as self sufficient as possible in manufacturing etc.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Mar 31, 2020 15:00:34 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 31, 2020 15:03:49 GMT
It doesn't how does criticising other governments help right now, if the Chinese had been honest and truthful the rest of the World would have had at least another month to prepare for this shit storm. The Chinese Govt couldn't have been that secretive. I was getting emails from nearly all my Chinese students (I teach about 35 of them) over Xmas saying that classes and exams at the end of January should be postponed and the University should be closed down because of this virus and the dangers from students mixing, relating horror stories from China. They were all wearing masks then and nervous about socially interacting These were all forwarded to the University who I know for a fact were forwarding this on to Govt bodies (as Unis follow Gov't guidelines) To their horror, they were being told very assertively that the British Govt guideline was BUSINESS AS USUAL. They were told they would fail if they did not attend exams. Chinese students are notoriously patriotic in fact some of them are sponsored directly by their Gov't. They would not being saying anything that their Gov't would want them to say. They never do. They are carefully monitored. In January though Chinese students were still freely flying back and forth from China to UK without any checks some of them to the Wuhan region. If they were aware of it, then I'm damn sure our Gov't were aware of the dangers we were about to face. 2 months later we were still being told it was ok to shake hands. They arrested two of their own scientists for telling them about it's existence !, not secretive
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 31, 2020 15:12:43 GMT
The Chinese Govt couldn't have been that secretive. I was getting emails from nearly all my Chinese students (I teach about 35 of them) over Xmas saying that classes and exams at the end of January should be postponed and the University should be closed down because of this virus and the dangers from students mixing, relating horror stories from China. They were all wearing masks then and nervous about socially interacting These were all forwarded to the University who I know for a fact were forwarding this on to Govt bodies (as Unis follow Gov't guidelines) To their horror, they were being told very assertively that the British Govt guideline was BUSINESS AS USUAL. They were told they would fail if they did not attend exams. Chinese students are notoriously patriotic in fact some of them are sponsored directly by their Gov't. They would not being saying anything that their Gov't would want them to say. They never do. They are carefully monitored. In January though Chinese students were still freely flying back and forth from China to UK without any checks some of them to the Wuhan region. If they were aware of it, then I'm damn sure our Gov't were aware of the dangers we were about to face. 2 months later we were still being told it was ok to shake hands. They arrested two of their own scientists for telling them about it's existence !, not secretive (slaphead) Half the governments of the West are still trying to say it's like flu or go down herd immunity paths and members of this board think its being over played. This is after Wuhan, Italy and Spain. It's a global shit show. The fact that it was in the first country is no surprise at all.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 31, 2020 15:17:38 GMT
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Post by march4 on Mar 31, 2020 15:22:16 GMT
I can't see the point of the political point scoring on here. It's unnecessary, because history says that Boris and the Tories are toast after this anyway. Remember Churchill lost in 1945 - the reasons being that the country will be virtually bankrupt and no leader can survive that level of economic strife, plus wherever there are tough choices (and there are hundreds of them with this) there will be people who feel hard done by or unfairly treated in comparison, and so he will gradually alienate the majority over something or other. The new third reason is that in years gone by it was accepted that some people would die unnecessarily due to mistakes. War is sometimes described as a catalogue of mistakes, and this is a war. But, nowadays not a single life can be lost without it being somebodies fault, and a shit-storm of criticism follows. That criticism can now be made much more effectively (and anonymously) through new channels - even by those not in possession of the true facts. Personally I'm not a fan of Boris's, but i can empathise with the difficulties of managing the situation. I won't shed any tears when he loses, but I'll stay disenfranchised from the self seeking, hand wringing turds who get in next time and pretend they had all the answers. The situation is already bringing out the best and worst in humanity. Those who hoard, spite bile, exploit the situation for their own gains, steal from food banks, moan constantly, pretend they are coughing to sit in the sun whilst colleagues crack under the workload, those who criticise everything without the guile to come up with anything better, and generally put themselves and their egos before everything else. All I can say is there are plenty of us who wont forget. If the tedious left v right thing can't be let go. Then maybe another thread just to discuss the facts and philosophise would be a good addition. This is my last post on this one. I wouldn't stake to much money on Boris being toast Unlike Churchill he is not in charge of a coalition government And has no need to have a election until another four and a half years The chances of Boris's re election will not be decided by the next few months un less God forbid its a complete disaster It will be how he handles the recovery in four years time people will tend to vote with there pocket And of course the strength of the opposition Remember that using the example of Churchill you should take into account it was five year crisis And Churchill never had time to sort the peace There is no opposition. Boris will win the next election with a Blair style landslide.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 31, 2020 15:23:52 GMT
They arrested two of their own scientists for telling them about it's existence !, not secretive Half the governments of the West are still trying to say it's like flu or go down herd immunity paths and members of this board think its being over played. This is after Wuhan, Italy and Spain. It's a global shit show. The fact that it was in the first country is no surprise at all. That is the only fact we know, I suspect more will follow.
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Post by Davef on Mar 31, 2020 15:38:50 GMT
GOOD NEWS According to Ali Mirazimi, clinical biology professor, Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm, Sweden, researchers are developing a medicine that's supposed to neutralize the Corona molecule. Best scenario: Out in July/August 2020. Worst scenario: December 2020. Promising. More tests to be done. Licenses. Rules. ✌️ I think you can take it as read that scientists all over the world are working around the clock to try and combat this disease. The CEO of Johnson and Johnson was interviewed on Sky at lunchtime and says they are working on a vaccine which will hopefully be ready for human trials in September and maybe rolled out next March.
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Post by musik on Mar 31, 2020 15:42:09 GMT
Corona hasn't reached Sweden in the same extent and they're expecting the numbers to rise soon. Today 180 dead btw.
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Post by Gods on Mar 31, 2020 15:45:27 GMT
Chilling UK fatality numbers in the last 24 hours.
Government sending Micky Gove out to bat at 5pm.
A tough gig it must be said.
Donning his box, helmet and pads as I type I would imagine.
Head up, chin back, 10 deep breaths...
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Post by musik on Mar 31, 2020 15:46:01 GMT
GOOD NEWS According to Ali Mirazimi, clinical biology professor, Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm, Sweden, researchers are developing a medicine that's supposed to neutralize the Corona molecule. Best scenario: Out in July/August 2020. Worst scenario: December 2020. Promising. More tests to be done. Licenses. Rules. ✌️ So does that mean vaccination won't be necessary because if you get it you can simply take a pill (or a course of pills)? He said we shouldn't rely on this as the only solution, but a mix of things is probably the solution. Vaccine wasn't mentioned. I suppose if you take the vaccine, you won't get it? At least that's what they hope for. He was very optimistic.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 31, 2020 15:49:31 GMT
Chilling UK fatality numbers in the last 24 hours. Government sending Micky Gove out to bat at 5pm. A tough gig it must be said. Donning his box, helmet and pads as I type I would imagine. Head up, chin back, 10 deep breaths... He was infuriating last time. No doubts lots of extremely pertinent questions will again be asked and will again be answered with replies to something else entirely.
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Post by danceswithclams on Mar 31, 2020 15:50:13 GMT
This town...is coming like a goat town...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 15:52:46 GMT
Chilling UK fatality numbers in the last 24 hours. Government sending Micky Gove out to bat at 5pm. A tough gig it must be said. Donning his box, helmet and pads as I type I would imagine. Head up, chin back, 10 deep breaths... Nothing a couple of lines of charlie to take of the edge won't fix...... (allegedly)
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Mar 31, 2020 15:53:55 GMT
This is where we’ll see an increase day after day for the next 14 days or so before it begins to plateau and even out.
If we top out at around 6-7,000 we’ll have done extremely well considering the balls up we made at the beginning of it.
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 31, 2020 15:58:17 GMT
Yeah that's only Lombardy though. And today there's a big drop again in new infections in Lombardy and deaths are under 400. So a positive sign. But new cases across all Italy grew yesterday as did deaths. I want a week of trending figures before I get my hopes up. The last thing anyone should do is think it's ending and dropping our guards.
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 31, 2020 16:00:25 GMT
This is where we’ll see an increase day after day for the next 14 days or so before it begins to plateau and even out. If we top out at around 6-7,000 we’ll have done extremely well considering the balls up we made at the beginning of it. I would be astounded if UK ended on less deaths than italy mate. A very flimsy lockdown still which was delayed as well. The tube is still packed and as of today UK is ahead of Italy in correlation. It doesn't bode well and I repeat it's not about bringing doom and gloom, it's just statistics.
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 31, 2020 16:02:09 GMT
I can't see the point of the political point scoring on here. It's unnecessary, because history says that Boris and the Tories are toast after this anyway. Remember Churchill lost in 1945 - the reasons being that the country will be virtually bankrupt and no leader can survive that level of economic strife, plus wherever there are tough choices (and there are hundreds of them with this) there will be people who feel hard done by or unfairly treated in comparison, and so he will gradually alienate the majority over something or other. The new third reason is that in years gone by it was accepted that some people would die unnecessarily due to mistakes. War is sometimes described as a catalogue of mistakes, and this is a war. But, nowadays not a single life can be lost without it being somebodies fault, and a shit-storm of criticism follows. That criticism can now be made much more effectively (and anonymously) through new channels - even by those not in possession of the true facts. Personally I'm not a fan of Boris's, but i can empathise with the difficulties of managing the situation. I won't shed any tears when he loses, but I'll stay disenfranchised from the self seeking, hand wringing turds who get in next time and pretend they had all the answers. The situation is already bringing out the best and worst in humanity. Those who hoard, spite bile, exploit the situation for their own gains, steal from food banks, moan constantly, pretend they are coughing to sit in the sun whilst colleagues crack under the workload, those who criticise everything without the guile to come up with anything better, and generally put themselves and their egos before everything else. All I can say is there are plenty of us who wont forget. If the tedious left v right thing can't be let go. Then maybe another thread just to discuss the facts and philosophise would be a good addition. This is my last post on this one. Its a real shame fella because ESOF , from what I can see is bang on the money with info and keeping us all updated at a level (for me at least ) that I can understand…...likewise musik gives us insights into the problems he faces, likewise MilanStokie. Regurgtating info to score points is just childish at this point in time IMO...nothing is gained A real shame
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