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Post by foster on Mar 31, 2020 12:46:40 GMT
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 31, 2020 12:47:07 GMT
Because if you think Italy and Spain haven't been trying their best to get medical equipment by any means possible then you're a fucking idiot. Instead of making a bullshit and quite sickening comparison between the UK and two countries that had almost no prep time, how about comparing the UK to other EU countries (Germany for example) that have had a similar time to prepare as us. We are or have been told around three weeks behind Italy What would you suggest is the ammout of ppe and ventilators Italy could of sourced if they had three weeks more notice Ist case Italy 30/01/20 1st case UK 31/01/20 1st case Spain 01/02/20 It is very easy to knock the governments handling of this 1st Italy case in Lombardy. 1st UK case in the Alps. 1st UK case IN THE UK about two weeks after. Please research more instead of copying random tweets.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 12:48:25 GMT
Where is the PPE we were promised ( its being delivered by the Army while i was in bed?) No sign at my daughters Hospital shes really worried....GET RAMPING DONE BORIS Rather than worrying ourselves silly about the police hassling dicks yomping in the Peak District THIS is what we should be outraged about. Where is this protective equipment and why are the people who need it most not being provided with it? If it's all there as we're being told why hasn't a lorry full of it not been dispatched to every medical facility in the land? It's relatively simple logistics. Isn't it? Is it not sorted? I'm shocked I tell thee. Not to be too political but I heard Matt Hancock with my own ears on Friday 20th March tell me that all hospitals will have adequate stocks of PPE by Sunday night, and everyone in social care would have their provisions by the Friday. When people say "now isn't the time for criticism", now is exactly the time as it hopefully shames the government into action instead of spin......
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Post by neworleanstokie on Mar 31, 2020 12:50:44 GMT
Interesting data here suggesting NY is on the right path compared to slower to react states. We could be though the worst by May 1st, then it's a waiting game for the other states to catch up: COVID-19 Projections
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Post by Gods on Mar 31, 2020 12:52:05 GMT
It doesn't how does criticising other governments help right now, if the Chinese had been honest and truthful the rest of the World would have had at least another month to prepare for this shit storm. If Labour had won the General Election, your opinion would be completely different. Any Government is there to protect its population and mistakes have clearly been made. Even now, the fact that we're leaving our frontline health workers exposed because of a shortage of PPE (25% of healthcare workers are currently off sick and several talented doctors have died) is a disgrace. That 25% figure is alarming and I think it was specific to Doctors rather than healthcare workers in the round . Also if I heard right the %25 includes not only Doctors who are sick themselves but also Doctors who are self isolating owing to a sick family member.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 12:57:42 GMT
If Labour had won the General Election, your opinion would be completely different. Any Government is there to protect its population and mistakes have clearly been made. Even now, the fact that we're leaving our frontline health workers exposed because of a shortage of PPE (25% of healthcare workers are currently off sick and several talented doctors have died) is a disgrace. That 25% figure is alarming and I think it was specific to Doctors rather than healthcare workers in the round . Also if I heard right the %25 includes not only Doctors who are sick themselves but also Doctors who are self isolating owing to a sick family member. One of my good friends who works as a local authority regional manager in the social care sector has been asking for over a week for stocks of face masks, gowns, gloves etc for her team and she’s been told they are imminent. At head office this morning they were given one face mask each. That’s it.....
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Post by yeokel on Mar 31, 2020 12:58:11 GMT
The horror thats going on in Italy and Spain and you try to point score by making out we would be in a better position if we were in the EU scheme. Why's that puddled ? don't you like others having a different view point ? It's you thats on a wind up. Italy has one if the best health care systems in the world, I don't think any country or union could have prepared for this unless you think billions spent on machines, maintenance, storage and training just on the off chance a pandemic occurs, is in any way feasible. No one has been able to predict the sheer speed of the spread and therefore not in the position to counter it. The government should and could have acted quicker, but it's easy to say in hindsight given how this is completely unprecedented in modern times. I know we've seen it before, but the Foreign Office 4-stage plan seems to fit this crisis fairly well. Perhaps it has spread to other depts?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 13:10:36 GMT
Italy has one if the best health care systems in the world, I don't think any country or union could have prepared for this unless you think billions spent on machines, maintenance, storage and training just on the off chance a pandemic occurs, is in any way feasible. No one has been able to predict the sheer speed of the spread and therefore not in the position to counter it. The government should and could have acted quicker, but it's easy to say in hindsight given how this is completely unprecedented in modern times. I know we've seen it before, but the Foreign Office 4-stage plan seems to fit this crisis fairly well. Perhaps it has spread to other depts? Love that clip, and that programme. And watching it back it's scary how apt a lot of the scenes are.....
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Post by Gods on Mar 31, 2020 13:12:20 GMT
Interesting data here suggesting NY is on the right path compared to slower to react states. We could be though the worst by May 1st, then it's a waiting game for the other states to catch up: COVID-19 ProjectionsFasninating to see the information presented in that stark way. So 84k deaths predicted for the USA with a huge margin for error either side. Trump is gambling on about 40k, roughly the same as winter flu. His bet may not be as crazy as you think, it seems unlikely the USA will have as disastrous an encounter with Covid-19 as Italy.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 31, 2020 13:12:56 GMT
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 31, 2020 13:13:17 GMT
Being confused at foster for criticising the govt. of a country he doesn't live in.....and straight afterwards you then go on to criticise the govt. of a country you don't live in. You've surpassed yourself here carpy Where did this pandemic originate from Mick ? the whole World should be criticising the PRC that's the whole point, blaming other governments for having to deal with this mess is out of order. The whole point is that you criticised someone for doing something you then did yourself in the same bloody post, you weapon
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Mar 31, 2020 13:16:15 GMT
If Labour had won the General Election, your opinion would be completely different. Any Government is there to protect its population and mistakes have clearly been made. Even now, the fact that we're leaving our frontline health workers exposed because of a shortage of PPE (25% of healthcare workers are currently off sick and several talented doctors have died) is a disgrace. That 25% figure is alarming and I think it was specific to Doctors rather than healthcare workers in the round . Also if I heard right the %25 includes not only Doctors who are sick themselves but also Doctors who are self isolating owing to a sick family member. A lot of NHS staff are off work unnecessarily because the government has not “ramped up” the testing! Today, doctors say they are being threatened with their livelihoods if they comment on social media about the lack of appropriate PPE!
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Post by felonious on Mar 31, 2020 13:20:37 GMT
Italy's 1st reported case was 29th Jan, Spain and the UK was 30th Jan. We all had the same time didn't we ? I can't believe how many keep falling back to this... The first Italian case was domestic, near to a town called Lodi. The first uk cases were caught in the French Alps. The first domestic case came around 2 weeks after Italy, hence the approximate 2 week delay. Do you know when was the first case occurred in Milan? My daughter was there approximately on the 20th January for 5 weeks and then left for Paris pre planned but at the time when things were closing down. The reason I ask is that during the second week of February she had a 36 hour virus which although it didn't follow the exact pattern of symptoms involved aching limbs and pain even moving the eyes. In the previous couple of weeks she'd been travelling all around Milan and had been over to Desenzano and up to Como.
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 31, 2020 13:25:22 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 31, 2020 13:28:01 GMT
Cheers Ern
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 31, 2020 13:32:33 GMT
We are or have been told around three weeks behind Italy What would you suggest is the ammout of ppe and ventilators Italy could of sourced if they had three weeks more notice Ist case Italy 30/01/20 1st case UK 31/01/20 1st case Spain 01/02/20 It is very easy to knock the governments handling of this 1st Italy case in Lombardy. 1st UK case in the Alps. 1st UK case IN THE UK about two weeks after. Please research more instead of copying random tweets. The first domestic UK case was four weeks after Italy's.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 31, 2020 13:45:57 GMT
Can’t believe this is still happening 🙄
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 31, 2020 13:46:29 GMT
Maybe one of the good things to come out of this is we might all appreciate what we had and what we still have that little bit more One thing i have found out this last week, my missus can cut hair. Photo or it didn't happen.
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Post by DunnetHeadMoonraker on Mar 31, 2020 13:54:42 GMT
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 31, 2020 13:56:43 GMT
I can't believe how many keep falling back to this... The first Italian case was domestic, near to a town called Lodi. The first uk cases were caught in the French Alps. The first domestic case came around 2 weeks after Italy, hence the approximate 2 week delay. Do you know when was the first case occurred in Milan? My daughter was there approximately on the 20th January for 5 weeks and then left for Paris pre planned but at the time when things were closing down. The reason I ask is that during the second week of February she had a 36 hour virus which although it didn't follow the exact pattern of symptoms involved aching limbs and pain even moving the eyes. In the previous couple of weeks she'd been travelling all around Milan and had been over to Desenzano and up to Como. Milan itself I don't think it came until about a week after Lodi and Codogno. Certainly the lakes didn't start getting cases until well into February.
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Post by march4 on Mar 31, 2020 13:58:04 GMT
Big increase in UK statistics.
All very sad.
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Post by henry on Mar 31, 2020 13:58:51 GMT
1st Italy case in Lombardy. 1st UK case in the Alps. 1st UK case IN THE UK about two weeks after. Please research more instead of copying random tweets. The first domestic UK case was four weeks after Italy's. Regardless of nationality or internal spread, am i correct in thinking the virus was detected in the UK before Italy ?
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 31, 2020 14:00:22 GMT
Big increase in UK statistics. All very sad. Indeed. 393 passed away. Doubled
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Post by henry on Mar 31, 2020 14:03:12 GMT
Big increase in UK statistics. All very sad. Indeed. 393 passed away. Doubled Grim.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 31, 2020 14:08:35 GMT
The lag deaths will probably come through pretty strongly over the next week or two, before we see the effects of the full lockdown and when a lot weren’t taking it seriously. Dr Harries said as much yesterday....but grim nonetheless.
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Post by skip on Mar 31, 2020 14:09:31 GMT
By his logic, there would be no point turning the London Underground into bomb shelters in WWII as all it was doing was prolonging the lives of the elderly. I loathe that man with every fibre of my being. An utter cunt.
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Post by redstriper on Mar 31, 2020 14:12:58 GMT
I can't see the point of the political point scoring on here.
It's unnecessary, because history says that Boris and the Tories are toast after this anyway.
Remember Churchill lost in 1945 - the reasons being that the country will be virtually bankrupt and no leader can survive that level of economic strife, plus wherever there are tough choices (and there are hundreds of them with this) there will be people who feel hard done by or unfairly treated in comparison, and so he will gradually alienate the majority over something or other. The new third reason is that in years gone by it was accepted that some people would die unnecessarily due to mistakes. War is sometimes described as a catalogue of mistakes, and this is a war. But, nowadays not a single life can be lost without it being somebodies fault, and a shit-storm of criticism follows. That criticism can now be made much more effectively (and anonymously) through new channels - even by those not in possession of the true facts.
Personally I'm not a fan of Boris's, but i can empathise with the difficulties of managing the situation. I won't shed any tears when he loses, but I'll stay disenfranchised from the self seeking, hand wringing turds who get in next time and pretend they had all the answers.
The situation is already bringing out the best and worst in humanity. Those who hoard, spite bile, exploit the situation for their own gains, steal from food banks, moan constantly, pretend they are coughing to sit in the sun whilst colleagues crack under the workload, those who criticise everything without the guile to come up with anything better, and generally put themselves and their egos before everything else. All I can say is there are plenty of us who wont forget.
If the tedious left v right thing can't be let go. Then maybe another thread just to discuss the facts and philosophise would be a good addition. This is my last post on this one.
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Post by numpty40 on Mar 31, 2020 14:15:52 GMT
Can’t believe this is still happening 🙄 Absolutely bizarre that we have police in the shires cracking down on people walking dogs in remote fields whilst city commuters continue to cough and snort over each other on confined public transport.
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Post by medwaypotter on Mar 31, 2020 14:18:12 GMT
That was announced 6 days ago
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Post by musik on Mar 31, 2020 14:19:55 GMT
People in shops aren't allowed to wear Corona protective masks here in Sweden.
"People might be scared".
I might be scared if they don't.
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