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Post by mickmillslovechild on Mar 31, 2020 10:48:18 GMT
Maybe we have done stuff no one is aware of No one is suggesting Italy is not doing its best to solve this crisis But what some of us, are saying this government has handled this crisis better than some give it credit for Or maybe not the truth will out at the end Untill then the constant sniping at the government often for political reasons does no one any good Why anyone who lives in Belgium but slags of the UK government is beyond comprehension, the truth about the handling of this crisis by the government will come out, the truth is that this pandemic has been thrust upon the World by a government who covered it up for over a month, any finger pointing should be at the country of origin the PRC and it's regime. Being confused at foster for criticising the govt. of a country he doesn't live in.....and straight afterwards you then go on to criticise the govt. of a country you don't live in. You've surpassed yourself here carpy
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 31, 2020 10:50:58 GMT
Why anyone who lives in Belgium but slags of the UK government is beyond comprehension, the truth about the handling of this crisis by the government will come out, the truth is that this pandemic has been thrust upon the World by a government who covered it up for over a month, any finger pointing should be at the country of origin the PRC and it's regime. Being confused at foster for criticising the govt. of a country he doesn't live in.....and straight afterwards you then go on to criticise the govt. of a country you don't live in. You've surpassed yourself here carpy Where did this pandemic originate from Mick ? the whole World should be criticising the PRC that's the whole point, blaming other governments for having to deal with this mess is out of order.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 31, 2020 11:01:13 GMT
Being confused at foster for criticising the govt. of a country he doesn't live in.....and straight afterwards you then go on to criticise the govt. of a country you don't live in. You've surpassed yourself here carpy Where did this pandemic originate from Mick ? the whole World should be criticising the PRC that's the whole point, blaming other governments for having to deal with this mess is out of order. Yes but pandemics are not a chinese thing. Viruses are not a Chinese thing. Unpreparedness for inevitable events are not a Chinese thing. Despite the abuse I got from Biggins earlier (which particularly hurt, my childhood hero) Ive been quite complimentary about much of the economic response to this crisis. They have realised that the way the country responded the the US subprime mortgage global recession of 2008 was incorrect and taken on a program of economic stimulus and while I dont agree with every detail I commend the u turn highly. I do feel free to criticise their preparedness and handling of the public health situation though and no ones going to bully me out of my opinion.
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Post by Gods on Mar 31, 2020 11:04:47 GMT
Anyone willing to admit to having broken the rules yet?
You know, taken a cheeky 2nd walk or something or may be bought a non essential item :-)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 11:08:32 GMT
Why anyone who lives in Belgium but slags of the UK government is beyond comprehension, the truth about the handling of this crisis by the government will come out, the truth is that this pandemic has been thrust upon the World by a government who covered it up for over a month, any finger pointing should be at the country of origin the PRC and it's regime. Being confused at foster for criticising the govt. of a country he doesn't live in.....and straight afterwards you then go on to criticise the govt. of a country you don't live in. You've surpassed yourself here carpy Classic crapslinger.....
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 31, 2020 11:10:49 GMT
Clearly there's some pent up tension that needs to be released. I'm into week 3 of my lockdown - with girlfriend and 2 kids - so I think I've done well so far. Im just in the middle of building a Revell model kit of a Heinkel H111 Bomber ! Brining back the kid in me I’m back into the kits too.....just doing a Mitsubishi Zero. I am going to use it as my guinea pig for weathering and all sorts now I have Youtube as my master and tutor.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 31, 2020 11:12:57 GMT
Years ago, anthropologist Margaret Mead was asked by a student what she considered to be the first sign of civilization in a culture. The student expected Mead to talk about fishhooks or clay pots or grinding stones.
But no. Mead said that the first sign of civilization in an ancient culture was a femur (thighbone) that had been broken and then healed. Mead explained that in the animal kingdom, if you break your leg, you die. You cannot run from danger, get to the river for a drink or hunt for food. You are meat for prowling beasts. No animal survives a broken leg long enough for the bone to heal.
A broken femur that has healed is evidence that someone has taken time to stay with the one who fell, has bound up the wound, has carried the person to safety and has tended the person through recovery. Helping someone else through difficulty is where civilization starts, Mead said."
We are at our best when we serve others. Be civilized.
- Ira Byock.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 31, 2020 11:24:41 GMT
Where did this pandemic originate from Mick ? the whole World should be criticising the PRC that's the whole point, blaming other governments for having to deal with this mess is out of order. Yes but pandemics are not a chinese thing. Viruses are not a Chinese thing. Unpreparedness for inevitable events are not a Chinese thing. Despite the abuse I got from Biggins earlier (which particularly hurt, my childhood hero) Ive been quite complimentary about much of the economic response to this crisis. They have realised that the way the country responded the the US subprime mortgage global recession of 2008 was incorrect and taken on a program of economic stimulus and while I dont agree with every detail I commend the u turn highly. I do feel free to criticise their preparedness and handling of the public health situation though and no ones going to bully me out of my opinion. This particular pandemic originated in China, their regime covered it up for over a month they allowed their citizens to visit other countries knowing full well this virus was rampant in their country, they arrested two of their own scientists for exposing this to them, they should have alerted the World to it's existence and shutdown their borders, they didn't now the whole World is in danger many thousands possibly millions will die, economy's decimated due to their negligence.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 31, 2020 11:29:01 GMT
Yes but pandemics are not a chinese thing. Viruses are not a Chinese thing. Unpreparedness for inevitable events are not a Chinese thing. Despite the abuse I got from Biggins earlier (which particularly hurt, my childhood hero) Ive been quite complimentary about much of the economic response to this crisis. They have realised that the way the country responded the the US subprime mortgage global recession of 2008 was incorrect and taken on a program of economic stimulus and while I dont agree with every detail I commend the u turn highly. I do feel free to criticise their preparedness and handling of the public health situation though and no ones going to bully me out of my opinion. This particular pandemic originated in China, their regime covered it up for over a month they allowed their citizens to visit other countries knowing full well this virus was rampant in their country, they arrested two of their own scientists for exposing this to them, they should have alerted the World to it's existence and shutdown their borders, they didn't now the whole World is in danger many thousands possibly millions will die, economy's decimated due to their negligence. So how does that help right now?
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 31, 2020 11:39:06 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 31, 2020 11:44:49 GMT
This particular pandemic originated in China, their regime covered it up for over a month they allowed their citizens to visit other countries knowing full well this virus was rampant in their country, they arrested two of their own scientists for exposing this to them, they should have alerted the World to it's existence and shutdown their borders, they didn't now the whole World is in danger many thousands possibly millions will die, economy's decimated due to their negligence. So how does that help right now? It doesn't how does criticising other governments help right now, if the Chinese had been honest and truthful the rest of the World would have had at least another month to prepare for this shit storm.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 31, 2020 11:45:32 GMT
Yes but pandemics are not a chinese thing. Viruses are not a Chinese thing. Unpreparedness for inevitable events are not a Chinese thing. Despite the abuse I got from Biggins earlier (which particularly hurt, my childhood hero) Ive been quite complimentary about much of the economic response to this crisis. They have realised that the way the country responded the the US subprime mortgage global recession of 2008 was incorrect and taken on a program of economic stimulus and while I dont agree with every detail I commend the u turn highly. I do feel free to criticise their preparedness and handling of the public health situation though and no ones going to bully me out of my opinion. This particular pandemic originated in China, their regime covered it up for over a month they allowed their citizens to visit other countries knowing full well this virus was rampant in their country, they arrested two of their own scientists for exposing this to them, they should have alerted the World to it's existence and shutdown their borders, they didn't now the whole World is in danger many thousands possibly millions will die, economy's decimated due to their negligence. I'm no lover of any government, certainly not the Chinese. I've not investigated whether things were covered up, it's all a short timeline and dealing with a completely new virus. However our country has been letting flights in without tests, temperature checks or anything else long since we knew how serious this was. The Chinese government are definitely arseholes. We know that. We know they Chinese are a secretive government and yet we are totally unprepared for this situation even after our own operations showed our vulnerability. And now our mard arse government are pointing the finger saying they werent open. It's a matter of months and they have reacted poorly until long after half the population were screaming to do something. Incidentally the US sub prime mortgage situation was common knowledge in the financial circles for more like years. It still went bang hanging us a out to dry in the dark. The world paid the price. When the leader of the Labour Party wanted to go to war in Iraq on a pack of lies I was protesting. Criticism of government is not party political. Our government have been incompetent and now they are pointing the finger at the Chinese and at the British public. They have made big calls and are acting like snivelling fucking cowards.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 31, 2020 11:49:28 GMT
Maybe one of the good things to come out of this is we might all appreciate what we had and what we still have that little bit more
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Post by henry on Mar 31, 2020 11:54:30 GMT
Maybe one of the good things to come out of this is we might all appreciate what we had and what we still have that little bit more One thing i have found out this last week, my missus can cut hair.
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Post by foster on Mar 31, 2020 12:01:20 GMT
How the fuck am I supposed to know that. It's not my job. It's the job of the government. What is clear, is that (as you say) we are 3 weeks behind Italy in terms of like for like infection rates. Just because we picked up a first case at roughly the same as them does not mean we were in the same condition as them in terms of total number of those infected. This is what the 3 week period alludes to. To compare us to them and to state that we've handled it better by simply doing nothing is downright insulting. Maybe we have done stuff no one is aware of No one is suggesting Italy is not doing its best to solve this crisis But what some of us, are saying this government has handled this crisis better than some give it credit for Or maybe not the truth will out at the end Untill then the constant sniping at the government often for political reasons does no one any good I'm one of the least political posters on here. I have no affiliation to any of the parties and judge each event on its merits. What I'm seeing now from the government are mixed communications, reactive measures to a lack of medical equipment / beds and 1 month of prep time flushed down the shitter. There are fatalities that are happening now that could likely have been prevented had more been done earlier, or a lockdown been put into place at the same time as some of our european (or global) neighbours. This rush to get ventilators and beds in now could have been done weeks ago. The fact that getting hold of these is difficult just illustrates why we should have been manufacturing our own weeks ago. Not starting next week, as per the ventilator challenge. I'm amazed some people are so casual about the governments slow response when more and more people are dying from this everyday and the NHS has practically been screaming out for more help for weeks. This isn't Brexit, this is real life and death stuff.
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Post by lagwafis on Mar 31, 2020 12:03:22 GMT
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Post by stiggerstackle on Mar 31, 2020 12:05:59 GMT
Maybe one of the good things to come out of this is we might all appreciate what we had and what we still have that little bit more One thing i have found out this last week, my missus can cut hair. And I have found the polar opposite to be true.
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Post by stokeson on Mar 31, 2020 12:08:11 GMT
Where is the PPE we were promised ( its being delivered by the Army while i was in bed?) No sign at my daughters Hospital shes really worried....GET RAMPING DONE BORIS
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Post by Cast no shadow on Mar 31, 2020 12:16:13 GMT
Anyone willing to admit to having broken the rules yet? You know, taken a cheeky 2nd walk or something or may be bought a non essential item :-) Jogged oatcake shop and got 2 dozen....
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 31, 2020 12:17:17 GMT
Anyone willing to admit to having broken the rules yet? You know, taken a cheeky 2nd walk or something or may be bought a non essential item :-) Jogged oatcake shop and got 2 dozen.... Essential shirley.
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Post by Davef on Mar 31, 2020 12:17:31 GMT
So how does that help right now? It doesn't how does criticising other governments help right now, if the Chinese had been honest and truthful the rest of the World would have had at least another month to prepare for this shit storm. If Labour had won the General Election, your opinion would be completely different. Any Government is there to protect its population and mistakes have clearly been made. Even now, the fact that we're leaving our frontline health workers exposed because of a shortage of PPE (25% of healthcare workers are currently off sick and several talented doctors have died) is a disgrace.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 31, 2020 12:22:58 GMT
Where is the PPE we were promised ( its being delivered by the Army while i was in bed?) No sign at my daughters Hospital shes really worried....GET RAMPING DONE BORIS Rather than worrying ourselves silly about the police hassling dicks yomping in the Peak District THIS is what we should be outraged about. Where is this protective equipment and why are the people who need it most not being provided with it? If it's all there as we're being told why hasn't a lorry full of it not been dispatched to every medical facility in the land? It's relatively simple logistics. Isn't it?
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Post by felonious on Mar 31, 2020 12:27:44 GMT
Years ago, anthropologist Margaret Mead was asked by a student what she considered to be the first sign of civilization in a culture. The student expected Mead to talk about fishhooks or clay pots or grinding stones. But no. Mead said that the first sign of civilization in an ancient culture was a femur (thighbone) that had been broken and then healed. Mead explained that in the animal kingdom, if you break your leg, you die. You cannot run from danger, get to the river for a drink or hunt for food. You are meat for prowling beasts. No animal survives a broken leg long enough for the bone to heal. A broken femur that has healed is evidence that someone has taken time to stay with the one who fell, has bound up the wound, has carried the person to safety and has tended the person through recovery. Helping someone else through difficulty is where civilization starts, Mead said." We are at our best when we serve others. Be civilized. - Ira Byock. Interesting thanks. I noticed the latest graffiti from a wall in Belfast the other day which said "We're all in this together"
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Post by stokeson on Mar 31, 2020 12:34:18 GMT
Years ago, anthropologist Margaret Mead was asked by a student what she considered to be the first sign of civilization in a culture. The student expected Mead to talk about fishhooks or clay pots or grinding stones. But no. Mead said that the first sign of civilization in an ancient culture was a femur (thighbone) that had been broken and then healed. Mead explained that in the animal kingdom, if you break your leg, you die. You cannot run from danger, get to the river for a drink or hunt for food. You are meat for prowling beasts. No animal survives a broken leg long enough for the bone to heal. A broken femur that has healed is evidence that someone has taken time to stay with the one who fell, has bound up the wound, has carried the person to safety and has tended the person through recovery. Helping someone else through difficulty is where civilization starts, Mead said." We are at our best when we serve others. Be civilized. - Ira Byock. Interesting thanks. I noticed the latest graffiti from a wall in Belfast the other day which said "We're all in this together" My sister noticed this and texted me "first time ever.".....
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 31, 2020 12:35:06 GMT
It doesn't how does criticising other governments help right now, if the Chinese had been honest and truthful the rest of the World would have had at least another month to prepare for this shit storm. If Labour had won the General Election, your opinion would be completely different. Any Government is there to protect its population and mistakes have clearly been made. Even now, the fact that we're leaving our frontline health workers exposed because of a shortage of PPE (25% of healthcare workers are currently off sick and several talented doctors have died) is a disgrace. So are you saying one in four health care workers have caught something they shouldn't have Or are some of these self isolating due to pregnancy or underlying health problems Or maybe unable to find child care
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 31, 2020 12:35:57 GMT
It doesn't how does criticising other governments help right now, if the Chinese had been honest and truthful the rest of the World would have had at least another month to prepare for this shit storm. If Labour had won the General Election, your opinion would be completely different. Any Government is there to protect its population and mistakes have clearly been made. Even now, the fact that we're leaving our frontline health workers exposed because of a shortage of PPE (25% of healthcare workers are currently off sick and several talented doctors have died) is a disgrace. Why would I ? this not down to our government, this was covered up for at least a month by the Chinese regime they have put the whole World and it's economy at risk by their deceit and lies.
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Post by felonious on Mar 31, 2020 12:36:59 GMT
Anyone willing to admit to having broken the rules yet? You know, taken a cheeky 2nd walk or something or may be bought a non essential item :-) I walk the dog twice a day because no one else is willing to go out wind, rain or shine. At the moment I'm lucky to get one walk with him and the poor bugger is looking a bit knackered
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Post by felonious on Mar 31, 2020 12:40:59 GMT
Why not? This whole thing is political. Their decision not to be in the EU thing - political, herd immunity - political, their economic packages - political. They're not daft. And you too are missing the point. I suspect deliberately because you're not daft either. I've never said this isn't a political issue nor that the Government is above criticism. But it is the partisan battle lines on this thread which continually spoil what is an interesting and often quite informative read. It's frankly a bit pathetic and no one who engages in it comes out of it in a good light whichever side of the political divide you fall on. Nail on head.
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 31, 2020 12:42:28 GMT
Shit example to use as unfortunately for them they bore the brunt of the initial infections. Let's see how all the other member states that had less or as much lead time as the UK fare. You could safely assume that had the UK been the first to suffer infections (like Italy) that the fatality rate here would be the same or worse based on the sluggish reaction of our government. Italy's 1st reported case was 29th Jan, Spain and the UK was 30th Jan. We all had the same time didn't we ? I can't believe how many keep falling back to this... The first Italian case was domestic, near to a town called Lodi. The first uk cases were caught in the French Alps. The first domestic case came around 2 weeks after Italy, hence the approximate 2 week delay.
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 31, 2020 12:45:51 GMT
Yeah and it's a puddled response. The horror thats going on in Italy and Spain and you try to point score by making out we would be in a better position if we were in the EU scheme. Why's that puddled ? don't you like others having a different view point ? It's you thats on a wind up. Italy has one if the best health care systems in the world, I don't think any country or union could have prepared for this unless you think billions spent on machines, maintenance, storage and training just on the off chance a pandemic occurs, is in any way feasible. No one has been able to predict the sheer speed of the spread and therefore not in the position to counter it. The government should and could have acted quicker regarding action plans and social distancing, but it's easy to say in hindsight given how this is completely unprecedented in modern times.
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