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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 30, 2020 13:26:56 GMT
The constant changing of the time when figures are released is really grating now, if completely messes up any consistency and relative comparisons unless people go to lengths to normalise it. Annoying as hell.
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Post by Northy on Mar 30, 2020 13:30:32 GMT
Breaking news ... Anyone wishing to show their appreciation of Amazon delivery drivers, asked to clap outside their homes tomorrow . Sometime between 9am and 6 pm and for lift engineers, open your front door and close it until it's nearly shut, then open it half way and nearly close again and repeat for 4 hours until an engineer turns up |
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Post by Northy on Mar 30, 2020 13:32:25 GMT
Id does look like it could be a game changer, Mercedes and other F1 this is the one from GTECH that will use air oxygen supplies from the tanks, not portable but ideal for the temporary hospitals Have the government give Gtech the go-ahead to produce Northy ? Doesn't look like it actually, they put their design out for other people to use and adapt, the government chose 5 other companies to produce and supply, shows what good design and manufacturing we can come up with if required. |
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Post by Gods on Mar 30, 2020 13:32:49 GMT
The constant changing of the time when figures are released is really grating now, if completely messes up any consistency and relative comparisons unless people go to lengths to normalise it. Annoying as hell. When would you say we started isolating properly? Friday night 10 days ago when the pubs and restaurants were shut down? We were playing at it a bit up to then weren't we. I'm wondering on what date we might start to see it affecting the figures. 2 weeks after, 3 weeks after...? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2020 13:35:06 GMT
The police really need to get their officers in control of this because if they take the piss then that’s no good for the majority of people or them.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 30, 2020 13:36:16 GMT
The constant changing of the time when figures are released is really grating now, if completely messes up any consistency and relative comparisons unless people go to lengths to normalise it. Annoying as hell. If you don't mind me asking a question in what time span do you think there will realistically be a cocktail of drugs that will treat covid 19 |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 30, 2020 13:37:19 GMT
The police really need to get their officers in control of this because if they take the piss then that’s no good for the majority of people or them. Can't wait until these nasty infringements on freedoms are repealed. They are hugely dangerous and open to all sorts of abuse. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2020 13:40:03 GMT
The police really need to get their officers in control of this because if they take the piss then that’s no good for the majority of people or them. Can't wait until these nasty infringements on freedoms are repealed. They are hugely dangerous and open to all sorts of abuse. Have you read about some councils and coppers stopping shops from selling Easter eggs because they're not essential? What the fuck is wrong with these people? |
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Post by Northy on Mar 30, 2020 13:40:26 GMT
You've been on politics all over here though, and you would have though wouldn't you ... Glad you agree about that they shouldn't have done it in case of an accident, increasing risk on the NHS;) I wasn't aware that they drove as my knowledge of the Kinnock's daily routines clearly isn't as intimate as yours. Maybe this Police shaming thing turns you on? Are you a uniform man? You are being churlish, I have no knowledge of their daily routine, Stephen Kinnock tweeted and SW police twitter account responded to it, it was posted on here. He started the story, one would assume that the police follow him on twitter as he is the MP for their area, it' not hard to understand all of that is it, and point out that is it ? My 84 year old mum with underlying conditions lives 21 miles away, I won't drive to see her as she is getting food delivered and is fine atm, we've all got to adhere to the rules haven't we. |
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Post by zerps on Mar 30, 2020 13:41:40 GMT
Saying that everyone is going to die is really helpful 😄 |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 30, 2020 13:43:30 GMT
The constant changing of the time when figures are released is really grating now, if completely messes up any consistency and relative comparisons unless people go to lengths to normalise it. Annoying as hell. If you don't mind me asking a question in what time span do you think there will realistically be a cocktail of drugs that will treat covid 19 The existing drugs for malaria (Chloroquine) and ebola (Remdesivir) will have already passed through most of the red tape. But they still need to be shown to be effective in moderating COVID before they are approved, my earliest guess would be some time in the summer, so 2-3 months. But we’ll have to wait for the data to come in to be sure. The other drugs, like deriving the most effective antibodies from existing patients and cloning them as a treatment is completely new, which would normally take decades for approval. But they will likely be fast-tracked through so probably a bit longer than the existing medicine, 9 months - 18 months. Any new specific antivirals for this, probably not until 2021 at the earliest. So we have some options, but this is why lockdown is so important, it is delaying the spread until we can get some form of treatment up and running. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 30, 2020 13:44:48 GMT
The constant changing of the time when figures are released is really grating now, if completely messes up any consistency and relative comparisons unless people go to lengths to normalise it. Annoying as hell. When would you say we started isolating properly? Friday night 10 days ago when the pubs and restaurants were shut down? We were playing at it a bit up to then weren't we. I'm wondering on what date we might start to see it affecting the figures. 2 weeks after, 3 weeks after...? Probably yeah, though some of the early measures will have had some effect, even if it was pretty small. But yes, they are expecting the next two weeks or so to be pretty heavy. (Jenny Harries’ words, not mine) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 13:45:37 GMT
The police really need to get their officers in control of this because if they take the piss then that’s no good for the majority of people or them. Can't wait until these nasty infringements on freedoms are repealed. They are hugely dangerous and open to all sorts of abuse. I'm genuinely concerned. I have three separate vulnerable people to shop for which, because of the new supermarket volume purchase restrictions, means possibly three separate trips a week to the shops. I'm wide open to any abuse. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 13:46:05 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 30, 2020 13:49:05 GMT
Can't wait until these nasty infringements on freedoms are repealed. They are hugely dangerous and open to all sorts of abuse. I'm genuinely concerned. I have three separate vulnerable people to shop for which, because of the new supermarket volume purchase restrictions, means possibly three separate trips a week to the shops. I'm wide open to any abuse. This is well worth a listen regarding the seriousness of our current situation |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 13:50:10 GMT
I'm genuinely concerned. I have three separate vulnerable people to shop for which, because of the new supermarket volume purchase restrictions, means possibly three separate trips a week to the shops. I'm wide open to any abuse. This is well worth a listen regarding the seriousness of our current situation I really don't want a listen... 😢 |
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Post by henry on Mar 30, 2020 13:53:19 GMT
The police really need to get their officers in control of this because if they take the piss then that’s no good for the majority of people or them. Can't wait until these nasty infringements on freedoms are repealed. They are hugely dangerous and open to all sorts of abuse. What baffles me is, people saying the increased pressure on emergency services if you are out driving and have an accident, but (and i may well be wrong) don't more accidents happen within the home ? |
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Post by Gods on Mar 30, 2020 13:54:44 GMT
When would you say we started isolating properly? Friday night 10 days ago when the pubs and restaurants were shut down? We were playing at it a bit up to then weren't we. I'm wondering on what date we might start to see it affecting the figures. 2 weeks after, 3 weeks after...? Probably yeah, though some of the early measures will have had some effect, even if it was pretty small. But yes, they are expecting the next two weeks or so to be pretty heavy. (Jenny Harries’ words, not mine) Guess the danger is with the time lag that folks give up on isolation believing it not only to be intolerable but worse still not even be working! Perhaps that may be the gist of this letter we will all shortly receive from Mr Johnson. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 30, 2020 13:57:16 GMT
Probably yeah, though some of the early measures will have had some effect, even if it was pretty small. But yes, they are expecting the next two weeks or so to be pretty heavy. (Jenny Harries’ words, not mine) Guess the danger is with the time lag that folks give up on isolation believing it not only to be intolerable but worse still not even be working! Guess that may be the gist of this letter we will all shortly receive from Mr Johnson. Exactly the danger, exactly the danger if they release the antibody test without proper validation too. Potential for so much effort to have been wasted if we break too early. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 30, 2020 14:05:06 GMT
If you don't mind me asking a question in what time span do you think there will realistically be a cocktail of drugs that will treat covid 19 The existing drugs for malaria (Chloroquine) and ebola (Remdesivir) will have already passed through most of the red tape. But they still need to be shown to be effective in moderating COVID before they are approved, my earliest guess would be some time in the summer, so 2-3 months. But we’ll have to wait for the data to come in to be sure. The other drugs, like deriving the most effective antibodies from existing patients and cloning them as a treatment is completely new, which would normally take decades for approval. But they will likely be fast-tracked through so probably a bit longer than the existing medicine, 9 months - 18 months. Any new specific antivirals for this, probably not until 2021 at the earliest. So we have some options, but this is why lockdown is so important, it is delaying the spread until we can get some form of treatment up and running. Thanks for that so with a bit of luck and the correct data they might just have something around the end of june that might help Ive figured out that as I'm in the at risk group it will only be a matter of time before I catch it so the longer I hold it at bay my chances of survival increase |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 30, 2020 14:15:55 GMT
Sorry but I subscribe to the cock up theory of history - in general people are too disorganised and incompetent to successfully pull off a conspiracy - especially on this sort of scale. Lot's of people of whatever nationality and political complexion have made mistakes. I'm neither a Tory nor a fan of totalitarian regimes like China. However they have both done some good things in unprecedented circumstances and that needs recognising. What exactly is the point of a witch/bat hunt at the moment? Shit is happening, what's important is dealing with the shit. And what if it turns out that it was a Chinese bat that infected a pangolin that infected someone who bought it from an illegal wet market. So the Chinese close down their wet markets - so how exactly is that going to stop a Brazilian Howler Monkey who licked an infected tree frog from crapping on the packed lunch of an unsuspecting Danish tourist? Inoculate all tree frogs against viruses they don't have yet? Insist all howler monkey's wear nappies? Stop all Danes from undertaking international travel? A global pandemic has been predicted for years and when this one is over there will another one along some time soon. If you want to blame anyone blame the joker how came up with natural selection or the propensity of complex carbon based molecules to self replicate at the expense of other biological organisms. I haven't mentioned a conspiracy have I? Simply an authoritarian government not being very authoritarian for whatever reason...... They have both done some good things and again I've mentioned them. But I think they both need shoeing for the bad things they've done. Because we need to stop it happening again, like with football I believe you learn way more from mistakes than success hence why I point them out. And like with football, success tends to mask mistakes and I think that is unhealthy and that's why I bring them up. People learn way more that way. And it won't but that is unlucky, it coming from a Chinese wet market isn't. So basically you want authoritarian regimes to be more authoritarian? So what about non-authoritarian regimes? Should they be less authoritarian? How should the Brazilian government deal with the Tree Frog/Howler Monkey/Danish Tourist issue? Crack down on Danes, Howler Monkeys or Tree Frogs? The point I'm making is closing Chinese wet markets isn't going to make a blind bit of difference to the next pandemic. A prospective tree frog virus isn't going to stop mutating because Sweet and Sour Pangolin is no longer on the menu in Beijing. Sorry but shit happens and the very idea that all shit can be prevented from happening is bollocks. All you do is stop certain type of shit happening only for a different type of shit to happen where you least expect it. Certainly don't make the same mistakes over and over again but to expect finding someone to blame will somehow solve the problem of shit happening is bonkers - in fact it's exactly the sort of logic that led to Matthew Hopkins wandering the countryside as The Witchfinder General burning witches in order to prevent crop failure and an outbreak of warts, The desire to find someone to blame is basically a pre-scientific mode of thinking that inevitably leads to the persecution of "foreigners" - whether foreign is a different gender, sexuality, colour, race. nationality, religion whatever. And they are some pretty evil bastards out there who will jump on any opportunity to spread their small minded bigotry. I don't think you are one of them - just be careful of the path you choose to travel and the company you choose to keep. |
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Post by Gods on Mar 30, 2020 14:16:24 GMT
Guess the danger is with the time lag that folks give up on isolation believing it not only to be intolerable but worse still not even be working! Guess that may be the gist of this letter we will all shortly receive from Mr Johnson. Exactly the danger, exactly the danger if they release the antibody test without proper validation too. Potential for so much effort to have been wasted if we break too early. Got to hang tough, relatively easy for me I can WFH and have a decent garden, for a family of 5 in a block of flats and the weather improving, goodness me...its a mind numbing, soul sapping, relationship ruining ask. For that reason people need to believe it to at least be working. |
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Post by pablos on Mar 30, 2020 14:22:07 GMT
Jesus it’s not hard is it, follow the rules In the short term and we all benefit in the long term, I really despair.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 30, 2020 14:22:23 GMT
Can't wait until these nasty infringements on freedoms are repealed. They are hugely dangerous and open to all sorts of abuse. Have you read about some councils and coppers stopping shops from selling Easter eggs because they're not essential? What the fuck is wrong with these people? Surely your stance is that these people shouldn't be shopping for Easter Eggs? They are hardly essential are they? I'm tempted to pop to Halfords to buy a bike for my little one. Seems like the perfect opportunity to teach him to ride one. It's not essential but if I'm adhering to Social Distancing guidelines there isn't much wrong with it is there? |
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 30, 2020 14:28:02 GMT
The police really need to get their officers in control of this because if they take the piss then that’s no good for the majority of people or them. I would think that these cases will have only come about once the individuals concerned have failed the attitude test by showing contempt or a reckless attitude towards the restrictions.. I understand that the direction given by senior police leaders nationally has been around engagement and education with enforcement as a last resort. I guess we will never get to hear the detail of these interactions, but in this time of crisis it won’t stop slimy arsed lawyers making a few quid out of defending the dicks who are blatantly disregarding what is intended to help. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2020 14:28:18 GMT
I haven't mentioned a conspiracy have I? Simply an authoritarian government not being very authoritarian for whatever reason...... They have both done some good things and again I've mentioned them. But I think they both need shoeing for the bad things they've done. Because we need to stop it happening again, like with football I believe you learn way more from mistakes than success hence why I point them out. And like with football, success tends to mask mistakes and I think that is unhealthy and that's why I bring them up. People learn way more that way. And it won't but that is unlucky, it coming from a Chinese wet market isn't. So basically you want authoritarian regimes to be more authoritarian? So what about non-authoritarian regimes? Should they be less authoritarian? How should the Brazilian government deal with the Tree Frog/Howler Monkey/Danish Tourist issue? Crack down on Danes, Howler Monkeys or Tree Frogs? The point I'm making is closing Chinese wet markets isn't going to make a blind bit of difference to the next pandemic. A prospective tree frog virus isn't going to stop mutating because Sweet and Sour Pangolin is no longer on the menu in Beijing. Sorry but shit happens and the very idea that all shit can be prevented from happening is bollocks. All you do is stop certain type of shit happening only for a different type of shit to happen where you least expect it. Certainly don't make the same mistakes over and over again but to expect finding someone to blame will somehow solve the problem of shit happening is bonkers - in fact it's exactly the sort of logic that led to Matthew Hopkins wandering the countryside as The Witchfinder General burning witches in order to prevent crop failure and an outbreak of warts, The desire to find someone to blame is basically a pre-scientific mode of thinking that inevitably leads to the persecution of "foreigners" - whether foreign is a different gender, sexuality, colour, race. nationality, religion whatever. And they are some pretty evil bastards out there who will jump on any opportunity to spread their small minded bigotry. I don't think you are one of them - just be careful of the path you choose to travel and the company you choose to keep. I think they've picked and chosen where to be when it comes to these markets. They're clearly commonplace over there despite being illegal and that seems odd. The rest of what you have wrote re that matter is superficial twaddle and you know it!  It will stop an area that was open to this kind of thing happening in its tracks and that can only help. As will stopping deforestation and mankinds ever increasing creep into the wilderness. It does happen, so mitigate it. Scientists have known that these places are breeding grounds for this sort of thing. No one is saying it can all be prevented, indeed the only one suggesting that is you. The desire to find things to blame is the search of the truth and how to limit their impacts in the future and to learn from it. I don't want anyone persecuting, I genuinely think there could be evidence for prosecution mind within the British govt. Indeed so far the only person persercuted was the poor bloke that alerted the Chinese authorities to this. That is the last thing I want. And you don't need to warn me about that but head in the sandism isn't my thing and the Chinese government need calling out on a lot of things. This being one of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 14:29:16 GMT
The police really need to get their officers in control of this because if they take the piss then that’s no good for the majority of people or them. Can't wait until these nasty infringements on freedoms are repealed. They are hugely dangerous and open to all sorts of abuse. The right-wing conspiracy theorist inside me can’t help but fear this is some sort of dry run. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2020 14:29:43 GMT
Have you read about some councils and coppers stopping shops from selling Easter eggs because they're not essential? What the fuck is wrong with these people? Surely your stance is that these people shouldn't be shopping for Easter Eggs? They are hardly essential are they? I'm tempted to pop to Halfords to buy a bike for my little one. Seems like the perfect opportunity to teach him to ride one. It's not essential but if I'm adhering to Social Distancing guidelines there isn't much wrong with it is there? My stance is that the government haven't said what's essential foodwise and if you're in a shop shopping for food anyway and there's an Easter egg it is doing fuck all harm. |
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Post by ColonelMustard on Mar 30, 2020 14:30:56 GMT
The landlords painters are all over the the scaffolding at the front of my house. Less than two metres from the pavement.
Obviously increased risk of injury.
Not sure how far they travelled to be here.
But Im going to get my collar felt if I go to sainsburies with me mrs or jog too far from home.
The whole fucking thing is set up to turn us against eachother when it gets tougher.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2020 14:31:04 GMT
The police really need to get their officers in control of this because if they take the piss then that’s no good for the majority of people or them. I would think that these cases will have only come about once the individuals concerned have failed the attitude test by showing contempt or a reckless attitude towards the restrictions.. I understand that the direction given by senior police leaders nationally has been around engagement and education with enforcement as a last resort. I guess we will never get to hear the detail of these interactions, but in this time of crisis it won’t stop slimy arsed lawyers making a few quid out of defending the dicks who are blatantly disregarding what is intended to help. The last one is just a joke sorry and there's absolutely nothing stopping them from doing that bar over zealous coppers who need to get a grip and lose the support of most good minded folk. |
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