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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2020 11:06:26 GMT
Those markets should have been stopped after SARS. They have to be closed down going forward and better hygiene standards for livestock and food preparation has to be bought in globally. China didn't get unlucky, it's a ready made conduit for this type of thing. They weren't slow to react, they suppressed it. I don't buy the numbers coming out of there either tbh. Oh and God yes re Trump and America, as I keep mentioning on here, those fuckers we need to social distance away from too. It has bought the main two issues that Brexit trade deals I have with them to the fore, food standards and healthcare. The Chinese should come out of it looking like the totaliterian vile regime they are, Trump should come out of it as the fucking psycopathic idiot he is. I don't think it should be one or the other. There's no racism from me (I've piled into the Americans and our Government way more) they've had plenty of warnings that this could happen with their markets and they continued to allow them. They then suppressed it. And lets not add that to the crimes against humanity etc going on. And it's not about blame, it's about looking after yourself, knowing what's right and wrong and neither of the big players have got this right and have both been utterly shameful. I agree the Chinese authorities should have clamped down more on illegal wet markets. Thing is they are illegal - not state sponsored. I also agree re American food standards. Thing is they are state sponsored. So where does your complaint lie? Against the Chinese government or some "entrepreneurs" bravely fighting the dictat's of a repressive state? You appear to be berating China for not behaving more like China. Lessons have to be learned and mistakes have been made everywhere. But why the need for a witch hunt? Incidentally - we've had our run ins over the years and I suspect (and hope) we will have more to come but I do not believe you are in any way racist. They are and in a state where the state control everything if they want to and if they really wanted to shut them down could with one move of their iron fist. It's admirable and scary in equal measure. Why didn't they? My blame lies with China for not actually doing anything about the markets and for then suppressing the damn thing, more wasted time. Our government, just in general, they're fucking useless aren't they and have handled this terribly. But I don't think it's right to not blame one and not the other. It's been a series of fuck up by all of the different players that directly affect us. And I don't want a little Britain, far from it but I do think we should have the capability to look after ourselves. I've long believed that and that's from someone who is a staunch remainer and still wants us in the EU. Re a witch hunt, I think it's the only way these people (China and our govt) will listen. Even then I don't think they will and that's what worries me. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 11:10:59 GMT
Who remembers Priti Patel claiming back in January anyone earning under 25k was an unskilled worker? And now just a short while later our nurses and carers are key workers. she didn't actually say it like that though did she, it was more like we will stop low skilled workers easily entering the country, we will set a salary limit of £25k required to stop fast track. Not the best to combine the two in a sentence but she didn't actually say this list are low skilled, that was aimed more at the farm labourers, cleaners etc. So cleaners are low-skilled, despite being asked to go out as key workers without PPE and keep hospitals, schools, public areas, supermarkets clean whilst the virus spreads? |
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 30, 2020 11:15:05 GMT
Europe would never give the uk the powers it wanted so what reform you on about? Stronger action on countries breaking EU rules, a complete overhaul of the common agricultural policy and a massive overhaul of the political institutions to make them more democratic. Ambitious but possible. It's called politics. Jumping ship has just left us weak, isolated and desperate to suck up to China, Russia or the US to prevent our economy being obliterated. The only power we have is to choose who's Mini-Me we want to be. If we are weak then so are 90% of the other countries in the world. Do you think Canada, Australia, India, Saudi, Switzerland, Norway, Russia, Brazil, Mexico, New Zealand, etc. are all weak. We are the 6th biggest economy in the world, being overtaken by India. We have massive global influence with our culture and language, and financial services. If the EU have any sense, they will give us a better trade deal than anyone else because they sell >£60 billion pa goods and services to the UK. Do they want to risk losing that? I've never heard an Australian, Canadian, or New Zealander refer to his country as "Mini-Me". Regarding changing EU rules, there will be a massive revolt in French agriculture if they lose their funding. The eastern European countries will revolt if they don't get their regional aid. Is Greece going to be dumped by the EU? Italy is going to need major financial support, and probably Spain. We haven't jumped ship, we got out just in time. Just as we escaped Blair taking us into the Euro zone. Thank God. |
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Post by heathstokie on Mar 30, 2020 11:24:52 GMT
He's the 8th person that's happened to on this board already..............  Amazing really as they haven't been made yet..... DYSON ventilators.... Picking up nicely, 🤦🏻♂️ |
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 30, 2020 11:25:07 GMT
she didn't actually say it like that though did she, it was more like we will stop low skilled workers easily entering the country, we will set a salary limit of £25k required to stop fast track. Not the best to combine the two in a sentence but she didn't actually say this list are low skilled, that was aimed more at the farm labourers, cleaners etc. So cleaners are low-skilled, despite being asked to go out as key workers without PPE and keep hospitals, schools, public areas, supermarkets clean whilst the virus spreads? Well it is a low skill job isn't it? However important it is atm. |
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Post by devondumpling on Mar 30, 2020 11:27:39 GMT
Who remembers Priti Patel claiming back in January anyone earning under 25k was an unskilled worker? And now just a short while later our nurses and carers are key workers. Fake news again. Average salary hurses £33898. www.reed.co.uk/average-salary/average-nurse-salary |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 11:33:13 GMT
Who remembers Priti Patel claiming back in January anyone earning under 25k was an unskilled worker? And now just a short while later our nurses and carers are key workers. she didn't actually say it like that though did she, it was more like we will stop low skilled workers easily entering the country, we will set a salary limit of £25k required to stop fast track. Not the best to combine the two in a sentence but she didn't actually say this list are low skilled, that was aimed more at the farm labourers, cleaners etc. Plenty of others have pointed out your where you’re going wrong but just to underline it, if the crisis hasn’t already done it, no job should be labelled low-skilled. It’s demeaning and untrue. |
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 30, 2020 11:33:45 GMT
Who remembers Priti Patel claiming back in January anyone earning under 25k was an unskilled worker? And now just a short while later our nurses and carers are key workers. Fake news again. Average salary hurses £33898. www.reed.co.uk/average-salary/average-nurse-salaryThey don’t start on that. Their pay is incremental like coppers. The more time they serve the greater their expertise... |
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Post by iglugluk on Mar 30, 2020 11:36:05 GMT
Stronger action on countries breaking EU rules, a complete overhaul of the common agricultural policy and a massive overhaul of the political institutions to make them more democratic. Ambitious but possible. It's called politics. Jumping ship has just left us weak, isolated and desperate to suck up to China, Russia or the US to prevent our economy being obliterated. The only power we have is to choose who's Mini-Me we want to be. If we are weak then so are 90% of the other countries in the world. Do you think Canada, Australia, India, Saudi, Switzerland, Norway, Russia, Brazil, Mexico, New Zealand, etc. are all weak. We are the 6th biggest economy in the world, being overtaken by India. We have massive global influence with our culture and language, and financial services. If the EU have any sense, they will give us a better trade deal than anyone else because they sell >£60 billion pa goods and services to the UK. Do they want to risk losing that? I've never heard an Australian, Canadian, or New Zealander refer to his country as "Mini-Me". Regarding changing EU rules, there will be a massive revolt in French agriculture if they lose their funding. The eastern European countries will revolt if they don't get their regional aid. Is Greece going to be dumped by the EU? Italy is going to need major financial support, and probably Spain. We haven't jumped ship, we got out just in time. Just as we escaped Blair taking us into the Euro zone. Thank God. Ventilators come to mind here |
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 30, 2020 11:36:30 GMT
BREAKING: Cummings is self isolating with symptoms of COVID-19. I have no comment on this........... Good about time |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2020 11:40:00 GMT
Who remembers Priti Patel claiming back in January anyone earning under 25k was an unskilled worker? And now just a short while later our nurses and carers are key workers. Fake news again. Average salary hurses £33898. www.reed.co.uk/average-salary/average-nurse-salaryStarting salary under 25k so they wouldn't get in under the rules. |
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Post by zerps on Mar 30, 2020 11:42:15 GMT
Xr must be fucking ecstatic with the way this is going?
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Post by Cast no shadow on Mar 30, 2020 11:47:16 GMT
Xr must be fucking ecstatic with the way this is going? Maybe with being indoors they might possibly have a good wash also. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 30, 2020 11:47:37 GMT
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Post by stokeson on Mar 30, 2020 11:56:32 GMT
-Lets face it.If you needed a ventilator you would want the"Rolls-Royce " of ventilators..... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 11:58:20 GMT
So cleaners are low-skilled, despite being asked to go out as key workers without PPE and keep hospitals, schools, public areas, supermarkets clean whilst the virus spreads? Well it is a low skill job isn't it? However important it is atm. Who defines what’s low skilled? The act of cleaning something might be relatively simple but what about time pressures, working environment pressures etc. That takes a special kind of skill. I mean my job generally consists of fucking about on spreadsheets when you break it down to the nuts and bolts of it. Footballers are just kicking a bag of wind around a field aren’t they? The issue is it’s demeaning to classify certain roles as “low skilled” in the first place, when half the people who look down on them couldn’t do it themselves. Especially when you then expect them to be out and about in a pandemic doing their simple, menial job for a pittance..... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2020 12:00:53 GMT
-Lets face it.If you needed a ventilator you would want the"Rolls-royce " of ventilators..... I've only got visions of pipes linked up to a jet engine and it scares me tbh  |
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Post by whakka on Mar 30, 2020 12:01:05 GMT
Europe would never give the uk the powers it wanted so what reform you on about? Stronger action on countries breaking EU rules, a complete overhaul of the common agricultural policy and a massive overhaul of the political institutions to make them more democratic. Ambitious but possible. It's called politics. Jumping ship has just left us weak, isolated and desperate to suck up to China, Russia or the US to prevent our economy being obliterated. The only power we have is to choose who's Mini-Me we want to be. but the eu would never have done any of that |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 12:03:19 GMT
“Thanks for being responsible citizens and staying at home folks”
Meanwhile.....
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Post by stokeson on Mar 30, 2020 12:06:29 GMT
-Lets face it.If you needed a ventilator you would want the"Rolls-royce " of ventilators..... I've only got visions of pipes linked up to a jet engine and it scares me tbh Could be a Dyson when the battery cuts out after 20 mins !!! |
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Post by Foster on Mar 30, 2020 12:07:09 GMT
she didn't actually say it like that though did she, it was more like we will stop low skilled workers easily entering the country, we will set a salary limit of £25k required to stop fast track. Not the best to combine the two in a sentence but she didn't actually say this list are low skilled, that was aimed more at the farm labourers, cleaners etc. Plenty of others have pointed out your where you’re going wrong but just to underline it, if the crisis hasn’t already done it, no job should be labelled low-skilled. It’s demeaning and untrue. The vast majority of 'skilled jobs' are insignificant in the grand scheme of things, and I would class my job as one of those. I think I'd get much more job satisfaction doing something that actually really mattered and made a difference. If there were a nuclear holocaust tomorrow and we ended up in a kind of Mad Max style society, I'd much rather team up with a cleaner, nurse and butcher, than a footballer, politician and investment banker. The low skills are more often than not the most important skills. Unfortunately there are an abundance of wankers in privileged positions and with a false sense of worth who look down on and scoff at those at the bottom of the pyramid. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Mar 30, 2020 12:10:24 GMT
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Post by ravey123 on Mar 30, 2020 12:11:04 GMT
“Thanks for being responsible citizens and staying at home folks” Meanwhile..... If that list of flights arriving is true its a bloody disgrace. How the hell can the government tell people to stay at home to slow the spread when flights are still arriving and no checks being made. You just know that reports like this will be a perfect excuse for some to carry on as usual. |
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Post by musik on Mar 30, 2020 12:13:36 GMT
Who remembers Priti Patel claiming back in January anyone earning under 25k was an unskilled worker? And now just a short while later our nurses and carers are key workers. Fake news again. Average salary hurses £33898. www.reed.co.uk/average-salary/average-nurse-salaryWhat do you think a nurse with experience in average earn in Sweden? 🙂 |
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Post by musik on Mar 30, 2020 12:14:41 GMT
What do you think a nurse with experience in average earn in Sweden? 🙂 £24424 per year. But they start lower than that. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2020 12:19:25 GMT
“Thanks for being responsible citizens and staying at home folks” Meanwhile..... If that list of flights arriving is true its a bloody disgrace. How the hell can the government tell people to stay at home to slow the spread when flights are still arriving and no checks being made. You just know that reports like this will be a perfect excuse for some to carry on as usual. I agree although I did see an interesting tweet in reply to that one, they will be carrying cargo and that does still need to travel. And most of these places are in lockdown but I think it's absolutely mental if there's anyone bar repatriated Brits on these flights and cargo. There's no justification for them at all. |
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Post by whakka on Mar 30, 2020 12:28:32 GMT
“Thanks for being responsible citizens and staying at home folks” Meanwhile..... If that list of flights arriving is true its a bloody disgrace. How the hell can the government tell people to stay at home to slow the spread when flights are still arriving and no checks being made. You just know that reports like this will be a perfect excuse for some to carry on as usual. does anyone know who these flights have on board? Maybe they're bringing brits back |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 12:29:50 GMT
He was just out getting some fresh air, he wasn't within 2 metres or hurting anyone. How many nurses/doctors were tied up sorting him at the expense of others?
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Post by yeokel on Mar 30, 2020 12:33:58 GMT
“Thanks for being responsible citizens and staying at home folks” Meanwhile..... If that list of flights arriving is true its a bloody disgrace. How the hell can the government tell people to stay at home to slow the spread when flights are still arriving and no checks being made. You just know that reports like this will be a perfect excuse for some to carry on as usual. I've not checked, but a lot of those (maybe all?) could be carrying freight, not passengers couldn't they? I agree with the point being made about flights/people/checking/spreading the virus etc, but it can be easy to jump to a wrong conclusion. EDIT. I see someone made the same point while I was typing. I'll leave the post here thought for posterity. |
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Post by Northy on Mar 30, 2020 12:35:37 GMT
that would be just somebody manning the twitter account though isn't it, it's not somebody in a squad car is it? come on have a bit of rational thought around these things And yes, the Kinnocks shouldn't be doing this should they, non essential travel isn't it ? 1 rule for the champagne socialist and 1 rule for everybody else ? Did they drive around or walk? It's just pointless cock measuring Policing. they drove, took chairs and table and cake with them. No it's not, what if they'd been in an accident or broken down, an accident which may have required an ambulance and NHS staff, you'd have been over it like a Dolores on a free KFC if a Tory had done it and that scenario had played out. |
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