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Post by Davef on Mar 30, 2020 10:26:23 GMT
One of our neighbour's has been taken into hospital with suspected COVID-19. We've been told he's now on one of the new Dyson Ventilators and is picking up nicely. He's the 8th person that's happened to on this board already..............  They'll be counting these people in the official statistics soon. |
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 30, 2020 10:26:35 GMT
He's the 8th person that's happened to on this board already.............. Amazing really as they haven't been made yet..... It’s a miracle! |
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Post by Foster on Mar 30, 2020 10:28:29 GMT
It's good, and so is the ventilator challenge that starts production next week... but why the fuck has it taken so long to do this? Should have been 5 weeks ago. The government should have been ahead of the curve, not behind it. Everything is reactive and the whole 'we will take whatever steps are necessary' rhetoric is bollocks as they haven't heeded that over the past 5 weeks. They have been doing things, it takes a while to design, procure and test some equipment. GTECH last week had one prototype on test continually running for 3 days " A breathing aid that can help keep coronavirus patients out of intensive care has been created in under a week. University College London engineers worked with clinicians at UCLH and Mercedes Formula One to build the device, which delivers oxygen to the lungs without needing a ventilator. Continuous Positive Airway Pressure (CPAP) devices are already used in hospitals but are in short supply. China and Italy used them to help Covid-19 patients. Forty of the new devices have been delivered to ULCH and to three other London hospitals. If trials go well, up to 1,000 of the CPAP machines can be produced per day by Mercedes-AMG-HPP, beginning in a week's time. The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has already given its approval for their use." Just imagine if this had started 5 weeks ago. We'd have plenty of these all over the country in operation by now... and less fatalities. |
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Post by pricey21 on Mar 30, 2020 10:28:55 GMT
Did that Joe wicks pe with the kids this morning, my legs are aching off, I used to be so fit. I'm going back bed. Just had a go. Hard but decent workout. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2020 10:29:31 GMT
Why? The source of the virus appear to be a bat that affected an animal (one theory is a Pangolin) that got picked up in a possibly illegal wet market and passed onto a humans. Viruses cross species all over the world and a number of flu viruses (and of late particularly those originating from pigs) started in the US and Europe. China got unlucky. China were slow to react initially but when they got their act together they saved thousands of lives with what at the time looked like Draconian measures. The only countries I can think of who got there arses in gear quickly were Japan and South Korea. Compare China's response to Trump - who continues to put the economy above his own people's lives - and the Chinese regime come out looking like Mother Theresa. I really don't get this need to find someone to blame. It just strike me as bitter, twisted, sad and racist. If you want to be the Batfinder General's sidekick knock your self out. It's a free, and increasingly small minded, country after all. This dangerous idea put out by Gove needs to be corrected, esp as you read comments from people who should know better actually believing there is blame to place on China for the UK being slow to act. Very simply, China made a decision to lockdown Wuhan on 23rd January after it had only 400 new cases in a day. They learnt from that, because they realised they had left it too late, and soon locked the rest of the country down. This was all reported for the world to see. China also shared their data with everyone, it has been invaluable for scientists and epidemiologists. The writer Thomas Pueyo in USA wrote his searing critique against the UK's lack of action on 10th March, in which he predicted what would happen if action was not taken immediately. You'll see for yourself the wide range of data that had been available in that article. Read it here medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99cait is 100% the UK government and NOT China that is to blame for the UK's complete and total lack of effort and mixed messages in the early phase which will cost dear and precious lives needlessly. I'm not saying China are brilliant but this finger pointing stinks of trying to cover their own backs which does not breed confidence. I'm not blaming China for our useless govt being slow. But tbh I don't get why we cosy up to them so much anyway. The Huawei deal was just plain daft and will put national security at risk. You just need to look at anything new militarily they build and how close it is to what we have. They hack us like fuck already. The UK government acted negligible at best and as I said when the herd immunity stuff came out I thought it was Tory policy of killing off the masses in action. I still think that played a part. To absolve blame on China for this thing generally is totally daft just as the people wanting to absolve our government of any blame too. Why does it have to be so black and white? |
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Post by Foster on Mar 30, 2020 10:31:17 GMT
He's the 8th person that's happened to on this board already.............. They'll be counting these people in the official statistics soon. Been testing everyone at hospitals over here (regardless of what they're in/there for) and apparently 8% of those infected didn't even know they had it as they've got no symptoms. |
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Post by whakka on Mar 30, 2020 10:32:06 GMT
I can't see how you come up with that interpretation of what I posted? I am all for growing Britain's positive trade balance with the rest of the world, and moving away from the massive negative trade balance with the EU. To add insult to injury, we actually subsidize the EU with a large net contribution so as to prop up inefficient farming to sell their goods to us! That's crazy. We also let Germany operate cartels within their own industry , cheat on environmental legislation, and many more examples of how France, Italy, and Spain cheat the system with subsidies. As for global rule, I never say never, but I think your idea of global government is not viable. All major powers come to an end but I cannot see the USA, China, or Russia subjecting themselves to rule by others. If anything I see more fragmentation with countries and peoples like Scotland, Armenians, Turks in Cyprus, Moravians, Basques, Catalonia, etc. and that's just in Europe. There are many African countries that will split when they become richer. The strength of the United States is the independence of the individual states. They will bounce back as they did after the great depression. My just my view of course, who knows? Apologies if I misrepresented your views. I actually agree the trend before Covid-19 was towards fragmentation. I also agree that there are massive issues within the EU. However I think the solution is reform and closer co-operation not grabbing your ball and playing wally on your own in your back garden like a petulant schoolkid. I think Covid-19 could be a wake up call on the need for more international co-operation, not less. If after this we all retreat into Little <Place your country here> mentality and think we can do it on our own then climate change and/or the next pandemic may well do for us as a species. But then maybe the planet would be better off without us anyway. Like you I've no idea which way it will go. However I do know the way I'd like to see it go - for the sake of the species. Europe would never give the uk the powers it wanted so what reform you on about? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 10:33:44 GMT
Who remembers Priti Patel claiming back in January anyone earning under 25k was an unskilled worker? And now just a short while later our nurses and carers are key workers.
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Post by stokeson on Mar 30, 2020 10:35:45 GMT
BREAKING: Cummings is self isolating with symptoms of COVID-19. I have no comment on this........... |
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Post by Foster on Mar 30, 2020 10:39:13 GMT
This dangerous idea put out by Gove needs to be corrected, esp as you read comments from people who should know better actually believing there is blame to place on China for the UK being slow to act. Very simply, China made a decision to lockdown Wuhan on 23rd January after it had only 400 new cases in a day. They learnt from that, because they realised they had left it too late, and soon locked the rest of the country down. This was all reported for the world to see. China also shared their data with everyone, it has been invaluable for scientists and epidemiologists. The writer Thomas Pueyo in USA wrote his searing critique against the UK's lack of action on 10th March, in which he predicted what would happen if action was not taken immediately. You'll see for yourself the wide range of data that had been available in that article. Read it here medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99cait is 100% the UK government and NOT China that is to blame for the UK's complete and total lack of effort and mixed messages in the early phase which will cost dear and precious lives needlessly. I'm not saying China are brilliant but this finger pointing stinks of trying to cover their own backs which does not breed confidence. I'm not blaming China for our useless govt being slow. But tbh I don't get why we cosy up to them so much anyway. The Huawei deal was just plain daft and will put national security at risk. You just need to look at anything new militarily they build and how close it is to what we have. They hack us like fuck already. The UK government acted negligible at best and as I said when the herd immunity stuff came out I thought it was Tory policy of killing off the masses in action. I still think that played a part. To absolve blame on China for this thing generally is totally daft just as the people wanting to absolve our government of any blame too. Why does it have to be so black and white? End of the day do we REALLY know that the virus originated naturally in Wuhan and that it wasn't part of any one or number of conspiracy theories being thrown around? I would think that it would be relatively easy for any government to frame China for this if they wanted. Now I'm not saying it's not come from China. It's just that you can't believe or trust anyone anymore. There's nothing in the media that can't be planted or manipulated. As such, I don't particularly care where it came from. I care about what we're doing to save lives. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 10:39:33 GMT
Who remembers Priti Patel claiming back in January anyone earning under 25k was an unskilled worker? And now just a short while later our nurses and carers are key workers. She's been invisible since the outbreak. Her comments about unskilled workers look more and more crass by the day considering a lot of those "unskilled" workers are currently keeping the country going..... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2020 10:41:22 GMT
Who remembers Priti Patel claiming back in January anyone earning under 25k was an unskilled worker? And now just a short while later our nurses and carers are key workers. She's a vile spiteful piece of shit. And that went pretty much unchallenged from anyone that could be heard (papers etc) and now look at us. I just hope people don't forget the list of Tory nastiness towards these valuable members of community. You've only got to look at the history of the Doctors that have died as well to see that the rhetoric these last few years from media and government is just absolute abhorrent, if you didn't know that already. But apparently quite a few didn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 10:41:42 GMT
Who remembers Priti Patel claiming back in January anyone earning under 25k was an unskilled worker? And now just a short while later our nurses and carers are key workers. She's been invisible since the outbreak. Her comments about unskilled workers look more and more crass by the day considering a lot of those "unskilled" workers are currently keeping the country going..... As the Home Secretary you’d think this outbreak would be her department but as you say, nowhere to be seen. I hope there is an opposition leader strong enough to call her out on it and get the required action come the summer. |
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Post by Foster on Mar 30, 2020 10:42:00 GMT
BREAKING: Cummings is self isolating with symptoms of COVID-19. I have no comment on this........... I guess both him and Boris didn't realise it could be transmitted via oral sex. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 30, 2020 10:44:08 GMT
Apologies if I misrepresented your views. I actually agree the trend before Covid-19 was towards fragmentation. I also agree that there are massive issues within the EU. However I think the solution is reform and closer co-operation not grabbing your ball and playing wally on your own in your back garden like a petulant schoolkid. I think Covid-19 could be a wake up call on the need for more international co-operation, not less. If after this we all retreat into Little <Place your country here> mentality and think we can do it on our own then climate change and/or the next pandemic may well do for us as a species. But then maybe the planet would be better off without us anyway. Like you I've no idea which way it will go. However I do know the way I'd like to see it go - for the sake of the species. Europe would never give the uk the powers it wanted so what reform you on about? Stronger action on countries breaking EU rules, a complete overhaul of the common agricultural policy and a massive overhaul of the political institutions to make them more democratic. Ambitious but possible. It's called politics. Jumping ship has just left us weak, isolated and desperate to suck up to China, Russia or the US to prevent our economy being obliterated. The only power we have is to choose who's Mini-Me we want to be. |
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Post by Northy on Mar 30, 2020 10:44:38 GMT
I'm no fan of Kinnock JR but you'd think South Wales Police would have more on their plate wouldn't you. that would be just somebody manning the twitter account though isn't it, it's not somebody in a squad car is it? come on have a bit of rational thought around these things And yes, the Kinnocks shouldn't be doing this should they, non essential travel isn't it ? 1 rule for the champagne socialist and 1 rule for everybody else ? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2020 10:44:42 GMT
I'm not blaming China for our useless govt being slow. But tbh I don't get why we cosy up to them so much anyway. The Huawei deal was just plain daft and will put national security at risk. You just need to look at anything new militarily they build and how close it is to what we have. They hack us like fuck already. The UK government acted negligible at best and as I said when the herd immunity stuff came out I thought it was Tory policy of killing off the masses in action. I still think that played a part. To absolve blame on China for this thing generally is totally daft just as the people wanting to absolve our government of any blame too. Why does it have to be so black and white? End of the day do we REALLY know that the virus originated naturally in Wuhan and that it wasn't part of any one or number of conspiracy theories being thrown around? I would think that it would be relatively easy for any government to frame China for this if they wanted. Now I'm not saying it's not come from China. It's just that you can't believe or trust anyone anymore. There's nothing in the media that can't be planted or manipulated. As such, I don't particularly care where it came from. I care about what we're doing to save lives. Isn't it pretty much agreed that it came from a market in Wuhan? I think from what I've read it makes the most sense. These things happen, experts know this, that's why you have Bill Gate "predicting" it. It's not a conspiracy, something like this was bound to happen sooner or later, we got complacent. And I think where it comes from of course matters, it came from something that shouldn't be happening. If these markets carry on then they've learnt absolutely sod all. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 10:45:12 GMT
Who remembers Priti Patel claiming back in January anyone earning under 25k was an unskilled worker? And now just a short while later our nurses and carers are key workers. She's a vile spiteful piece of shit. And that went pretty much unchallenged from anyone that could be heard (papers etc) and now look at us. I just hope people don't think the list of Tory nastiness towards these valuable members of community. You've only got to look at the history of the Doctors that have died as well to see that the rhetoric these last few years from media and government is just absolute abhorrent, if you didn't know that already. But apparently quite a few didn't. She has obviously been kept to one side so people don’t remember. I hope she is forced to apologise by Boris who I hope has been humbled by this experience. I’m sure we will see a much less aloof Prime Minister for a short while at least, after this has died down. |
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Post by stokeson on Mar 30, 2020 10:45:43 GMT
I have no comment on this........... I guess both him and Boris didn't realise it could be transmitted via oral sex. Too far........... |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2020 10:49:06 GMT
She's a vile spiteful piece of shit. And that went pretty much unchallenged from anyone that could be heard (papers etc) and now look at us. I just hope people don't think the list of Tory nastiness towards these valuable members of community. You've only got to look at the history of the Doctors that have died as well to see that the rhetoric these last few years from media and government is just absolute abhorrent, if you didn't know that already. But apparently quite a few didn't. She has obviously been kept to one side so people don’t remember. I hope she is forced to apologise by Boris who I hope has been humbled by this experience. I’m sure we will see a much less aloof Prime Minister for a short while at least, after this has died down. We can only hope. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 30, 2020 10:49:58 GMT
He crashed in 3 park cars I think 2 mercs, then when residents came out kept saying i pay for the damage i bet he friggin will he deserves everything he's going get, a few hours earlier he was preaching people to stay indoors. Jack Grealish tests positive. The list of potential vectors that might have led to the positive test are so far undisclosed but is believed to include stupidity. Or coronovirus contracted from contact with the exposed surface area of a parked car. Or possibly the drugs he was taking to forget about the crisis. |
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Post by Northy on Mar 30, 2020 10:51:28 GMT
She's been invisible since the outbreak. Her comments about unskilled workers look more and more crass by the day considering a lot of those "unskilled" workers are currently keeping the country going..... As the Home Secretary you’d think this outbreak would be her department but as you say, nowhere to be seen. I hope there is an opposition leader strong enough to call her out on it and get the required action come the summer. this doesn't really come under her though does it, it's under health, it's why you see Matt hancocks department and advisors on the TV a lot, her department will be supporting the health department in organising the police, emergency management of armed forces and local government etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 10:53:13 GMT
As the Home Secretary you’d think this outbreak would be her department but as you say, nowhere to be seen. I hope there is an opposition leader strong enough to call her out on it and get the required action come the summer. this doesn't really come under her though does it, it's under health, it's why you see Matt hancocks department and advisors on the TV a lot, her department will be supporting the health department in organising the police, emergency management of armed forces and local government etc. Oh I know it's not her department, just making the point that whilst other ministers are out and about doing interviews she is quiet considering she's a senior member of the cabinet. Hopefully she's a little bit embarrassed and ashamed by her comments, I very much doubt it though..... |
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 30, 2020 10:56:51 GMT
Who remembers Priti Patel claiming back in January anyone earning under 25k was an unskilled worker? And now just a short while later our nurses and carers are key workers. She's been invisible since the outbreak. Her comments about unskilled workers look more and more crass by the day considering a lot of those "unskilled" workers are currently keeping the country going..... She’s invisible because she has risen to a level of her own incompetence. If she spoke, it would be seen. We get the government we deserve... |
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Post by Northy on Mar 30, 2020 10:57:06 GMT
Who remembers Priti Patel claiming back in January anyone earning under 25k was an unskilled worker? And now just a short while later our nurses and carers are key workers. she didn't actually say it like that though did she, it was more like we will stop low skilled workers easily entering the country, we will set a salary limit of £25k required to stop fast track. Not the best to combine the two in a sentence but she didn't actually say this list are low skilled, that was aimed more at the farm labourers, cleaners etc. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 30, 2020 10:57:24 GMT
Why? The source of the virus appear to be a bat that affected an animal (one theory is a Pangolin) that got picked up in a possibly illegal wet market and passed onto a humans. Viruses cross species all over the world and a number of flu viruses (and of late particularly those originating from pigs) started in the US and Europe. China got unlucky. China were slow to react initially but when they got their act together they saved thousands of lives with what at the time looked like Draconian measures. The only countries I can think of who got there arses in gear quickly were Japan and South Korea. Compare China's response to Trump - who continues to put the economy above his own people's lives - and the Chinese regime come out looking like Mother Theresa. I really don't get this need to find someone to blame. It just strike me as bitter, twisted, sad and racist. If you want to be the Batfinder General's sidekick knock your self out. It's a free, and increasingly small minded, country after all. Those markets should have been stopped after SARS. They have to be closed down going forward and better hygiene standards for livestock and food preparation has to be bought in globally. China didn't get unlucky, it's a ready made conduit for this type of thing. They weren't slow to react, they suppressed it. I don't buy the numbers coming out of there either tbh. Oh and God yes re Trump and America, as I keep mentioning on here, those fuckers we need to social distance away from too. It has bought the main two issues that Brexit trade deals I have with them to the fore, food standards and healthcare. The Chinese should come out of it looking like the totaliterian vile regime they are, Trump should come out of it as the fucking psycopathic idiot he is. I don't think it should be one or the other. There's no racism from me (I've piled into the Americans and our Government way more) they've had plenty of warnings that this could happen with their markets and they continued to allow them. They then suppressed it. And lets not add that to the crimes against humanity etc going on. And it's not about blame, it's about looking after yourself, knowing what's right and wrong and neither of the big players have got this right and have both been utterly shameful. I agree the Chinese authorities should have clamped down more on illegal wet markets. Thing is they are illegal - not state sponsored. I also agree re American food standards. Thing is they are state sponsored. So where does your complaint lie? Against the Chinese government or some "entrepreneurs" bravely fighting the dictat's of a repressive state? You appear to be berating China for not behaving more like China. Lessons have to be learned and mistakes have been made everywhere. But why the need for a witch hunt? Incidentally - we've had our run ins over the years and I suspect (and hope) we will have more to come but I do not believe you are in any way racist. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 30, 2020 10:59:01 GMT
She's been invisible since the outbreak. Her comments about unskilled workers look more and more crass by the day considering a lot of those "unskilled" workers are currently keeping the country going..... As the Home Secretary you’d think this outbreak would be her department but as you say, nowhere to be seen. I hope there is an opposition leader strong enough to call her out on it and get the required action come the summer. I believe that she is currently in Israel having secret talks about secrets. This could however just be a "private holiday" |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2020 10:59:17 GMT
Who remembers Priti Patel claiming back in January anyone earning under 25k was an unskilled worker? And now just a short while later our nurses and carers are key workers. she didn't actually say it like that though did she, it was more like we will stop low skilled workers easily entering the country, we will set a salary limit of £25k required to stop fast track. Not the best to combine the two in a sentence but she didn't actually say this list are low skilled, that was aimed more at the farm labourers, cleaners etc. Absolutely key workers presently. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 30, 2020 11:03:38 GMT
I'm no fan of Kinnock JR but you'd think South Wales Police would have more on their plate wouldn't you. that would be just somebody manning the twitter account though isn't it, it's not somebody in a squad car is it? come on have a bit of rational thought around these things And yes, the Kinnocks shouldn't be doing this should they, non essential travel isn't it ? 1 rule for the champagne socialist and 1 rule for everybody else ? Did they drive around or walk? It's just pointless cock measuring Policing. |
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 30, 2020 11:04:32 GMT
As the Home Secretary you’d think this outbreak would be her department but as you say, nowhere to be seen. I hope there is an opposition leader strong enough to call her out on it and get the required action come the summer. this doesn't really come under her though does it, it's under health, it's why you see Matt hancocks department and advisors on the TV a lot, her department will be supporting the health department in organising the police, emergency management of armed forces and local government etc. Correct, but why miss out on an opportunity. |
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