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Post by Northy on Mar 30, 2020 9:29:55 GMT
that is good news, GTECH have also come to the fore with ventilators that can be used connected to a steady oxygen supply. It's good, and so is the ventilator challenge that starts production next week... but why the fuck has it taken so long to do this? Should have been 5 weeks ago. The government should have been ahead of the curve, not behind it. Everything is reactive and the whole 'we will take whatever steps are necessary' rhetoric is bollocks as they haven't heeded that over the past 5 weeks. They have been doing things, it takes a while to design, procure and test some equipment. GTECH last week had one prototype on test continually running for 3 days |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 9:30:58 GMT
I get everyone is trying their best but everything always seem to be just around the corner and never quite gets there doesn't it? 1. Ventilators - we started with 5000, bought/took 3000 from the private sector but the 8000 total stubbornly refuses to move on despite the operation, rather inappropriately nicknamed 'Last Gasp' I read, to get them made by non traditional providers like Dyson and a government promise to buy any anyone can make. I just have the sense that when the first ones do arrive they will not meet some NHS standards requirement. In the end in about December we will finish up with about a ventilators and no one to treat! 2.Protective clothing - ditto above 3.New 'hospitals' in Event centers like the NEC and Excel. Genius idea, they have the space and ready to go shell schemes and the power and the parking that you would need for a big IT or motor show say perfect for a hospital. But I just sense there will be some last minute glitches. The last 10% of anything always takes 50% of the time. 4.Testing of front line NHS staff. I think it finally got under way this weekend but 800 a day, how many NHS workers, a million or so? I think they are the 3rd biggest employers in the world behind the Chinese Army and the Indian Railways. 5.Ditto this 'have you had it' antibody test, we procured 3.5 million but no one seems to know if it works or not or have any plan to role it and and to whom. I just fear all this lot will be ready for the next virus not this one! Apparently we're not allowed to be political, however it's clear that despite people rightfully expect testing to be ramped up as the means become available, this isn't happening which is pretty piss poor despite the rhetoric in the daily briefs....... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 9:33:21 GMT
Just out of interest are the ones Ocado have ordered fit for purpose? They have sourced and bought 100,000 of which 40,000 have already been delivered......
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2020 9:33:49 GMT
I get everyone is trying their best but everything always seem to be just around the corner and never quite gets there doesn't it? 1. Ventilators - we started with 5000, bought/took 3000 from the private sector but the 8000 total stubbornly refuses to move on despite the operation, rather inappropriately nicknamed 'Last Gasp' I read, to get them made by non traditional providers like Dyson and a government promise to buy any anyone can make. I just have the sense that when the first ones do arrive they will not meet some NHS standards requirement. In the end in about December we will finish up with about a ventilators and no one to treat! 2.Protective clothing - ditto above 3.New 'hospitals' in Event centers like the NEC and Excel. Genius idea, they have the space and ready to go shell schemes and the power and the parking that you would need for a big IT or motor show say perfect for a hospital. But I just sense there will be some last minute glitches. The last 10% of anything always takes 50% of the time. 4.Testing of front line NHS staff. I think it finally got under way this weekend but 800 a day, how many NHS workers, a million or so? I think they are the 3rd biggest employers in the world behind the Chinese Army and the Indian Railways. 5.Ditto this 'have you had it' antibody test, we procured 3.5 million but no one seems to know if it works or not or have any plan to role it and and to whom. I just fear all this lot will be ready for the next virus not this one! Apparently we're not allowed to be political, however it's clear that despite people rightfully expect testing to be ramped up as the means become available, this isn't happening which is pretty piss poor despite the rhetoric in the daily briefs....... Gove and Hancock both said 10,000 test had been achieved. Twas a lie of course. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 30, 2020 9:35:25 GMT
PHE have said capacity now stands at 10k a day. They took our PCR machines about 10 days-2 weeks ago and we’ve only just got the volunteering information today. I’m not exactly sure what they’ve been doing in that time RE swab tests validated by confirmatory PCR. (Which was the plan for ramping up the tests).
Our 16 PCR machines added capacity for in theory 25k extra tests a day and that was just one University....
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Post by Cast no shadow on Mar 30, 2020 9:37:00 GMT
Did that Joe wicks pe with the kids this morning, my legs are aching off, I used to be so fit. I'm going back bed.
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 30, 2020 9:39:14 GMT
It's quite annoying to me that it takes a pandemic to realise that we should be buying more British goods and products rather than importing. There are 3 basic reasons why we import so much; 1. We have been pretty crap at producing products (obviously there are exceptions). Whether you blame bad management, irresponsible unions, or lack of investment by people with the money will depend on your personal politics and economic ethos. It always seems strange to me that foreign companies can invest in this country and be successful like Nissan (one of the top ten most efficient car plants in the world; 8 of the ten are in Japan), but we seem unable to have a highly successful UK owned car producer. 2. Lack of loyalty of the British public to British goods. Go to Germany and you see the majority of cars on the road are German, in France they are French, in Italy they are mainly Italian, etc. Would there ever be a case of these countries buying foreign police cars? (Remember Jaguar/Land Rover is Indian Tata owned.) I worked for a French company for 7 years and it was made very clear that you buy from French companies, not other countries. 3. For the last 45 years we have stuck to EU rules on subsidizing industry and free market. Meanwhile other European countries have subsidized their industry, as a matter of policy buy their own national products, and operate cartels. I worked around the steel industry all my working life and have seen it decimated in this country, while Netherlands, Spain, Austria, Sweden, and Belgium have actually increased their steel industries. I chaired a European committee for 3 years and we Brits were a laughing stock on how we run our own industry down. They grew their industry by a combination of loyalty to their own industry, wise investment, and breaking competition rules. They also operate to lower health and safety standards than are demanded in the UK. When this crisis is over, we will have a huge opportunity to rebuild our country. I think we have ingenuity and endeavour with our people to succeed. The EU will be buried in red tape and over half the countries wanting the rich countries to pay for their recovery. We have an economy that is largely based on services rather than manufacturing, so we should be able to recover more quickly than many other countries, and most of our trade is with the rest of the world where growth and recovery will be quicker. I think the crisis will lead to a major shift in the behaviour of society with far more working from home, people collaborating more and helping each other, and less travel, particularly air travel. it's like using an episode of The Good Life as the basis for national economic policy. Brexit was supported by two opposing camps, The little Englanders (and it is yet another example of English arrogance) who actually believe we can go it alone and the global capitalists who couldn't give a monkeys about people at the bottom of the pile and fully intend to use Brexit as an excuse to drive down wages and H&S standards to third world levels and line their own pockets by exploiting their own people. The one thing this has shown is the need for more global co-operation and a stronger role for government in the economic sphere. The Tories are basically behaving like an interventionist socialist government - and it's working. Boris today even declared there is such a thing as society - which is a landmark statement by a Tory and (hopefully) marks the end of the Thatcher era's absolute reliance on an unfettered free market economy. It's quite telling that the country most wedded to isolationism and the free market is the one most rapidly heading for disaster. The USA is not going to come out of this well - either in terms of the impact on it's own people or as a model for running a successful and humane country. The People's Republic of China may well be a repressive regime but at least they put the lives of their own people ahead of the economy - if I had a choice between living in the US or China then Beijing here I come. I think we're heading in exactly the opposite direction to Little England. When this dies down I see the emergence of some form of world government and an international agreement on some form of interventionist economic model driven by the need to address climate change and the inevitable outbreak of further pandemics. It will blend the best of the free market and interventionist government - the bastard love child the US and China. Basically the EU on a global scale. I can't see how you come up with that interpretation of what I posted? I am all for growing Britain's positive trade balance with the rest of the world, and moving away from the massive negative trade balance with the EU. To add insult to injury, we actually subsidize the EU with a large net contribution so as to prop up inefficient farming to sell their goods to us! That's crazy. We also let Germany operate cartels within their own industry , cheat on environmental legislation, and many more examples of how France, Italy, and Spain cheat the system with subsidies. As for global rule, I never say never, but I think your idea of global government is not viable. All major powers come to an end but I cannot see the USA, China, or Russia subjecting themselves to rule by others. If anything I see more fragmentation with countries and peoples like Scotland, Armenians, Turks in Cyprus, Moravians, Basques, Catalonia, etc. and that's just in Europe. There are many African countries that will split when they become richer. The strength of the United States is the independence of the individual states. They will bounce back as they did after the great depression. My just my view of course, who knows? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 9:39:35 GMT
BREAKING:
Cummings is self isolating with symptoms of COVID-19.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2020 9:41:00 GMT
PHE have said capacity now stands at 10k a day. They took our PCR machines about 10 days-2 weeks ago and we’ve only just got the volunteering information today. I’m not exactly sure what they’ve been doing in that time RE swab tests validated by confirmatory PCR. (Which was the plan for ramping up the tests). Our 16 PCR machines added capacity for in theory 25k extra tests a day and that was just one University.... Yeah the lines from the ministers and the people that know didn't match. Funny that  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 9:47:19 GMT
BREAKING: Cummings is self isolating with symptoms of COVID-19.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 9:54:59 GMT
Did that Joe wicks pe with the kids this morning, my legs are aching off, I used to be so fit. I'm going back bed. I see he broke his wrist at the weekend out on his bike, I hope they took the cost of his treatment out of the money he's kindly donated to them........  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 9:55:49 GMT
BREAKING: Cummings is self isolating with symptoms of COVID-19. Quick someone cut his phone line and internet cables and do us all a favour..... |
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 30, 2020 9:55:56 GMT
BREAKING: Cummings is self isolating with symptoms of COVID-19. I am inclined to comment but it would be considered to be non pc, and would prompt a load of abuse. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 30, 2020 9:59:15 GMT
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Post by xchpotter on Mar 30, 2020 9:59:56 GMT
No good will come from this. Indeed it won't. I think you are both wrong, but then I always try to get a positive from bad things. The number of deaths and future ones are terrible with significant personal and emotional distress to their families. However, the good for me so far is: 1. A massive rejoining of community spirit. I see this personally in my partners work around coordination of support to the most vulnerable. 2. My own interactions as a volunteer with the vulnerable and what other volunteers are reporting. 3. In my own work place we have been forced to become creative with our resourcing and as a consequence we are capturing efficiency and smoother processes left right and centre that we will introduce in an adjusted format once this is done. This will give customers a better quality of service in the future.We have also identified opportunities for improvements in our business model that we had never foreseen before. 4. Long term I think a re evaluation of funding for the NHS will come about giving greater benefits to all. 5. As mentioned I think there will be a re balancing of our core manufacturing that contribute to national infrastructure meaning more British based jobs. I think there are many more and in no way would I say any of these benefits equate to the loss of life; I’m certain families will quite rightly be the only ones to comment on that.....but, some positives can come from this and I’ve always considered my self to be on the cynical of the views on life. PS...6. Stoke May be guaranteed to stay up if the season is ended.😉 |
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 30, 2020 10:00:24 GMT
I'm no fan of Kinnock JR but you'd think South Wales Police would have more on their plate wouldn't you. Absolutely. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 30, 2020 10:02:05 GMT
Sent out a tweet saying stay at home, save lives protect the nhs then 24 hours later crashed into a parked car on the way home, allegedly from a party. 《Slaphead》 Maybe we should have a thread on "what did you do in the great coronavirus crisis?" and highlight incidences of stupidity and ignorance occuring from day to day during the emergency. The unfortunate thing for Jack is that despite his posturing and likely penitance after this incident, people do not forget, and little events like this can permanently tarnish his career. Everyone will now view him as a prat, if they don't do already. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 30, 2020 10:08:32 GMT
The little England self sufficiency thing is nonsense - it's like using an episode of The Good Life as the basis for national economic policy. Brexit was supported by two opposing camps, The little Englanders (and it is yet another example of English arrogance) who actually believe we can go it alone and the global capitalists who couldn't give a monkeys about people at the bottom of the pile and fully intend to use Brexit as an excuse to drive down wages and H&S standards to third world levels and line their own pockets by exploiting their own people. The one thing this has shown is the need for more global co-operation and a stronger role for government in the economic sphere. The Tories are basically behaving like an interventionist socialist government - and it's working. Boris today even declared there is such a thing as society - which is a landmark statement by a Tory and (hopefully) marks the end of the Thatcher era's absolute reliance on an unfettered free market economy. It's quite telling that the country most wedded to isolationism and the free market is the one most rapidly heading for disaster. The USA is not going to come out of this well - either in terms of the impact on it's own people or as a model for running a successful and humane country. The People's Republic of China may well be a repressive regime but at least they put the lives of their own people ahead of the economy - if I had a choice between living in the US or China then Beijing here I come. I think we're heading in exactly the opposite direction to Little England. When this dies down I see the emergence of some form of world government and an international agreement on some form of interventionist economic model driven by the need to address climate change and the inevitable outbreak of further pandemics. It will blend the best of the free market and interventionist government - the bastard love child the US and China. Basically the EU on a global scale. For want of sounding like crapslinger, China should hopefully come out of this shamefully. Why? The source of the virus appear to be a bat that affected an animal (one theory is a Pangolin) that got picked up in a possibly illegal wet market and passed onto a humans. Viruses cross species all over the world and a number of flu viruses (and of late particularly those originating from pigs) started in the US and Europe. China got unlucky. China were slow to react initially but when they got their act together they saved thousands of lives with what at the time looked like Draconian measures. The only countries I can think of who got there arses in gear quickly were Japan and South Korea. Compare China's response to Trump - who continues to put the economy above his own people's lives - and the Chinese regime come out looking like Mother Theresa. I really don't get this need to find someone to blame. It just strike me as bitter, twisted, sad and racist. If you want to be the Batfinder General's sidekick knock your self out. It's a free, and increasingly small minded, country after all. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 30, 2020 10:11:35 GMT
I think you are both wrong, but then I always try to get a positive from bad things. The number of deaths and future ones are terrible with significant personal and emotional distress to their families. However, the good for me so far is: 1. A massive rejoining of community spirit. I see this personally in my partners work around coordination of support to the most vulnerable. 2. My own interactions as a volunteer with the vulnerable and what other volunteers are reporting. 3. In my own work place we have been forced to become creative with our resourcing and as a consequence we are capturing efficiency and smoother processes left right and centre that we will introduce in an adjusted format once this is done. This will give customers a better quality of service in the future.We have also identified opportunities for improvements in our business model that we had never foreseen before. 4. Long term I think a re evaluation of funding for the NHS will come about giving greater benefits to all. 5. As mentioned I think there will be a re balancing of our core manufacturing that contribute to national infrastructure meaning more British based jobs. I think there are many more and in no way would I say any of these benefits equate to the loss of life; I’m certain families will quite rightly be the only ones to comment on that.....but, some positives can come from this and I’ve always considered my self to be on the cynical of the views on life. PS...6. Stoke May be guaranteed to stay up if the season is ended.😉 Nah. Once we have a vaccine global capitalism and the Me Generation will be back - red in tooth and claw - as though they never went away. |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 30, 2020 10:15:56 GMT
BREAKING: Cummings is self isolating with symptoms of COVID-19. Dropping like flies |
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Post by hoffgreen on Mar 30, 2020 10:18:10 GMT
One of our neighbour's has been taken into hospital with suspected COVID-19. We've been told he's now on one of the new Dyson Ventilators and is picking up nicely.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 30, 2020 10:20:22 GMT
The little England self sufficiency thing is nonsense - it's like using an episode of The Good Life as the basis for national economic policy. Brexit was supported by two opposing camps, The little Englanders (and it is yet another example of English arrogance) who actually believe we can go it alone and the global capitalists who couldn't give a monkeys about people at the bottom of the pile and fully intend to use Brexit as an excuse to drive down wages and H&S standards to third world levels and line their own pockets by exploiting their own people. The one thing this has shown is the need for more global co-operation and a stronger role for government in the economic sphere. The Tories are basically behaving like an interventionist socialist government - and it's working. Boris today even declared there is such a thing as society - which is a landmark statement by a Tory and (hopefully) marks the end of the Thatcher era's absolute reliance on an unfettered free market economy. It's quite telling that the country most wedded to isolationism and the free market is the one most rapidly heading for disaster. The USA is not going to come out of this well - either in terms of the impact on it's own people or as a model for running a successful and humane country. The People's Republic of China may well be a repressive regime but at least they put the lives of their own people ahead of the economy - if I had a choice between living in the US or China then Beijing here I come. I think we're heading in exactly the opposite direction to Little England. When this dies down I see the emergence of some form of world government and an international agreement on some form of interventionist economic model driven by the need to address climate change and the inevitable outbreak of further pandemics. It will blend the best of the free market and interventionist government - the bastard love child the US and China. Basically the EU on a global scale. I can't see how you come up with that interpretation of what I posted? I am all for growing Britain's positive trade balance with the rest of the world, and moving away from the massive negative trade balance with the EU. To add insult to injury, we actually subsidize the EU with a large net contribution so as to prop up inefficient farming to sell their goods to us! That's crazy. We also let Germany operate cartels within their own industry , cheat on environmental legislation, and many more examples of how France, Italy, and Spain cheat the system with subsidies. As for global rule, I never say never, but I think your idea of global government is not viable. All major powers come to an end but I cannot see the USA, China, or Russia subjecting themselves to rule by others. If anything I see more fragmentation with countries and peoples like Scotland, Armenians, Turks in Cyprus, Moravians, Basques, Catalonia, etc. and that's just in Europe. There are many African countries that will split when they become richer. The strength of the United States is the independence of the individual states. They will bounce back as they did after the great depression. My just my view of course, who knows? Apologies if I misrepresented your views. I actually agree the trend before Covid-19 was towards fragmentation. I also agree that there are massive issues within the EU. However I think the solution is reform and closer co-operation not grabbing your ball and playing wally on your own in your back garden like a petulant schoolkid. I think Covid-19 could be a wake up call on the need for more international co-operation, not less. If after this we all retreat into Little <Place your country here> mentality and think we can do it on our own then climate change and/or the next pandemic may well do for us as a species. But then maybe the planet would be better off without us anyway. Like you I've no idea which way it will go. However I do know the way I'd like to see it go - for the sake of the species. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 10:20:48 GMT
One of our neighbour's has been taken into hospital with suspected COVID-19. We've been told he's now on one of the new Dyson Ventilators and is picking up nicely. He's the 8th person that's happened to on this board already.............. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2020 10:21:54 GMT
For want of sounding like crapslinger, China should hopefully come out of this shamefully. Why? The source of the virus appear to be a bat that affected an animal (one theory is a Pangolin) that got picked up in a possibly illegal wet market and passed onto a humans. Viruses cross species all over the world and a number of flu viruses (and of late particularly those originating from pigs) started in the US and Europe. China got unlucky. China were slow to react initially but when they got their act together they saved thousands of lives with what at the time looked like Draconian measures. The only countries I can think of who got there arses in gear quickly were Japan and South Korea. Compare China's response to Trump - who continues to put the economy above his own people's lives - and the Chinese regime come out looking like Mother Theresa. I really don't get this need to find someone to blame. It just strike me as bitter, twisted, sad and racist. If you want to be the Batfinder General's sidekick knock your self out. It's a free, and increasingly small minded, country after all. Those markets should have been stopped after SARS. They have to be closed down going forward and better hygiene standards for livestock and food preparation has to be bought in globally. China didn't get unlucky, it's a ready made conduit for this type of thing. They weren't slow to react, they suppressed it. I don't buy the numbers coming out of there either tbh. Oh and God yes re Trump and America, as I keep mentioning on here, those fuckers we need to social distance away from too. It has bought the main two issues that Brexit trade deals I have with them to the fore, food standards and healthcare. The Chinese should come out of it looking like the totaliterian vile regime they are, Trump should come out of it as the fucking psycopathic idiot he is. I don't think it should be one or the other. There's no racism from me (I've piled into the Americans and our Government way more) they've had plenty of warnings that this could happen with their markets and they continued to allow them. They then suppressed it. And lets not add that to the crimes against humanity etc going on. And it's not about blame, it's about looking after yourself, knowing what's right and wrong and neither of the big players have got this right and have both been utterly shameful. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 10:22:40 GMT
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 30, 2020 10:22:40 GMT
One of our neighbour's has been taken into hospital with suspected COVID-19. We've been told he's now on one of the new Dyson Ventilators and is picking up nicely. He's the 8th person that's happened to on this board already.............. Amazing really as they haven't been made yet..... |
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 30, 2020 10:23:43 GMT
For want of sounding like crapslinger, China should hopefully come out of this shamefully. Why? The source of the virus appear to be a bat that affected an animal (one theory is a Pangolin) that got picked up in a possibly illegal wet market and passed onto a humans. Viruses cross species all over the world and a number of flu viruses (and of late particularly those originating from pigs) started in the US and Europe. China got unlucky. China were slow to react initially but when they got their act together they saved thousands of lives with what at the time looked like Draconian measures. The only countries I can think of who got there arses in gear quickly were Japan and South Korea. Compare China's response to Trump - who continues to put the economy above his own people's lives - and the Chinese regime come out looking like Mother Theresa. I really don't get this need to find someone to blame. It just strike me as bitter, twisted, sad and racist. If you want to be the Batfinder General's sidekick knock your self out. It's a free, and increasingly small minded, country after all. This dangerous idea put out by Gove needs to be corrected, esp as you read comments from people who should know better actually believing there is blame to place on China for the UK being slow to act. Very simply, China made a decision to lockdown Wuhan on 23rd January after it had only 400 new cases in a day. They learnt from that, because they realised they had left it too late, and soon locked the rest of the country down. This was all reported for the world to see. China also shared their data with everyone, it has been invaluable for scientists and epidemiologists. The writer Thomas Pueyo in USA wrote his searing critique against the UK's lack of action on 10th March, in which he predicted what would happen if action was not taken immediately. You'll see for yourself the wide range of data that had been available in that article. Read it here medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99cait is 100% the UK government and NOT China that is to blame for the UK's complete and total lack of effort and mixed messages in the early phase which will cost dear and precious lives needlessly. I'm not saying China are brilliant but this finger pointing stinks of trying to cover their own backs which does not breed confidence. |
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 30, 2020 10:24:03 GMT
Did that Joe wicks pe with the kids this morning, my legs are aching off, I used to be so fit. I'm going back bed. I did it on Sat & I ache from 🧔🏻2🦶🏼 |
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 30, 2020 10:25:22 GMT
One of our neighbour's has been taken into hospital with suspected COVID-19. We've been told he's now on one of the new Dyson Ventilators and is picking up nicely. He's the 8th person that's happened to on this board already.............. Really! I know Northy had it, Who are the others... |
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Post by Gods on Mar 30, 2020 10:25:28 GMT
I think you are both wrong, but then I always try to get a positive from bad things. The number of deaths and future ones are terrible with significant personal and emotional distress to their families. However, the good for me so far is: 1. A massive rejoining of community spirit. I see this personally in my partners work around coordination of support to the most vulnerable. 2. My own interactions as a volunteer with the vulnerable and what other volunteers are reporting. 3. In my own work place we have been forced to become creative with our resourcing and as a consequence we are capturing efficiency and smoother processes left right and centre that we will introduce in an adjusted format once this is done. This will give customers a better quality of service in the future.We have also identified opportunities for improvements in our business model that we had never foreseen before. 4. Long term I think a re evaluation of funding for the NHS will come about giving greater benefits to all. 5. As mentioned I think there will be a re balancing of our core manufacturing that contribute to national infrastructure meaning more British based jobs. I think there are many more and in no way would I say any of these benefits equate to the loss of life; I’m certain families will quite rightly be the only ones to comment on that.....but, some positives can come from this and I’ve always considered my self to be on the cynical of the views on life. PS...6. Stoke May be guaranteed to stay up if the season is ended.😉 Didn't we have quite some unity after the London Olympics before the great Brexit debate drove a coach and horses through any national unity? I should add I'm firmly in the cynics camp ! :-) |
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