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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 30, 2020 1:47:06 GMT
Drs are being threatened with sanction if they speak out about their conditions Have you got a link Bath? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 1:50:54 GMT
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Post by Dr Hesham on Mar 30, 2020 4:16:10 GMT
3 heroic doctors who died of Covid-19 were immigrants from Sudan & Iraq. Amged el-Hawrani Adel el-Tayar Habib Zaidi If you've ever demonised Muslims or "bloody foreigners", shame on you. Here's the reality - people not only willing to contribute, but die defending our country.  |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 30, 2020 4:16:19 GMT
Its mugs like you that accept it and carry on as normal whilst being robbed that make high taxes happen, when the rate of n.i doubles and your taxes increase youll be begging trades to give you a better cash price. Whose defrauding then? berahinosgoals calling someone else a mug.
Priceless.
Hey up, someone has put 50p in the numpty 🤡, changing your name won't hide you from 'the virus' "old" clem 🦠🦠🦠 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 4:19:55 GMT
berahinosgoals calling someone else a mug.
Priceless.
Hey up, someone has put 50p in the numpty 🤡, changing your name won't hide you from 'the virus' "old" clem 🦠🦠🦠 Hello "Gift". You do have quite a catalogue of "names", that you change whenever the shit gets too deep. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 30, 2020 4:34:49 GMT
Hey up, someone has put 50p in the numpty 🤡, changing your name won't hide you from 'the virus' "old" clem 🦠🦠🦠 Hello "Gift". You do have quite a catalogue of "names", that you change whenever the shit gets too deep. How long have you been saying that for now are you not bored of it, catalogue of names, yeah they're getting used alright. Isnt it time you had a wee dram old clem afterall its 5.am and I'm off for a 5 mile run |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 4:53:50 GMT
Hello "Gift". You do have quite a catalogue of "names", that you change whenever the shit gets too deep. How long have you been saying that for now are you not bored of it, catalogue of names, yeah they're getting used alright. Isnt it time you had a wee dram old clem afterall its 5.am and I'm off for a 5 mile run I can quite easily believe that you can run five miles (not as fast as myself I am sure), maybe we try a ten mile? - try not to get lost. |
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 30, 2020 6:19:36 GMT
That wasn’t my source, but it will do👩🏻⚕️ |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 30, 2020 6:42:06 GMT
Make that 10 years with the state of the Labrador Party as it is, not sure what you expect this hell has been thrust on the World by Communist China with little or no warning, your anger should be directed at the oppressive, lying bastards who rule over the PRC they are responsible for this Worldwide shitstorm, they have the blood of possibly millions on their hands. Shut up Truth hurt does it. |
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Post by nott1 on Mar 30, 2020 6:44:22 GMT
Anyone noticed......the spam factory hasn't closed down. I must have accumulated billions of bitcoins and tax refunds by now, not to mention nubile young ladies from Ukraine and Russia!
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Post by musik on Mar 30, 2020 6:55:05 GMT
There are some clever fuckers in this country 👍 Mercedes F1 team have reversed engineered CPAP machines which are being had as an intermediate treatment to get less people needing ventilators. Hopefully they’re a great success. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52087002Finally, a good start to a new week! In this I believe. Thank you, Bayern! |
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Post by stokie63 on Mar 30, 2020 7:06:03 GMT
What about Jack grealish and his antics over the weekend, what a knob head he's going get some shit coming his way and rightly so.
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Post by Los Alfareros on Mar 30, 2020 7:22:40 GMT
What about Jack grealish and his antics over the weekend, what a knob head he's going get some shit coming his way and rightly so. What he do? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 7:24:05 GMT
What about Jack grealish and his antics over the weekend, what a knob head he's going get some shit coming his way and rightly so. What he do? Sent out a tweet saying stay at home, save lives protect the nhs then 24 hours later crashed into a parked car on the way home, allegedly from a party. 《Slaphead》 |
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Post by stokie63 on Mar 30, 2020 7:27:53 GMT
He crashed in 3 park cars I think 2 mercs, then when residents came out kept saying i pay for the damage i bet he friggin will he deserves everything he's going get, a few hours earlier he was preaching people to stay indoors.
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Post by LiverpoolStokie on Mar 30, 2020 7:55:24 GMT
Grealish and the karaoke party lot and those coughing in people's faces should be made to go and work on the front line hospital wards doing the crap jobs where they will see what this virus can really do to people and where their selfishness adds to the problem.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 30, 2020 8:04:26 GMT
Grealish and the karaoke party lot and those coughing in people's faces should be made to go and work on the front line hospital wards doing the crap jobs where they will see what this virus can really do to people and where their selfishness adds to the problem. I think that when we talk about the front line we should also think of the cleaners , porters, waste disposers etc, not medics, but often the unsung heroes. With MRSA in recent years there's been calls for ward matrons and we've realised the importance of the cleaning staff....it may seem perverse when we consider skills and training involved but the cleaners could be as important as consultants in this battle.....so I guess you might be right , Grealish could have a role. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 30, 2020 8:05:48 GMT
It's quite annoying to me that it takes a pandemic to realise that we should be buying more British goods and products rather than importing. There are 3 basic reasons why we import so much; 1. We have been pretty crap at producing products (obviously there are exceptions). Whether you blame bad management, irresponsible unions, or lack of investment by people with the money will depend on your personal politics and economic ethos. It always seems strange to me that foreign companies can invest in this country and be successful like Nissan (one of the top ten most efficient car plants in the world; 8 of the ten are in Japan), but we seem unable to have a highly successful UK owned car producer. 2. Lack of loyalty of the British public to British goods. Go to Germany and you see the majority of cars on the road are German, in France they are French, in Italy they are mainly Italian, etc. Would there ever be a case of these countries buying foreign police cars? (Remember Jaguar/Land Rover is Indian Tata owned.) I worked for a French company for 7 years and it was made very clear that you buy from French companies, not other countries. 3. For the last 45 years we have stuck to EU rules on subsidizing industry and free market. Meanwhile other European countries have subsidized their industry, as a matter of policy buy their own national products, and operate cartels. I worked around the steel industry all my working life and have seen it decimated in this country, while Netherlands, Spain, Austria, Sweden, and Belgium have actually increased their steel industries. I chaired a European committee for 3 years and we Brits were a laughing stock on how we run our own industry down. They grew their industry by a combination of loyalty to their own industry, wise investment, and breaking competition rules. They also operate to lower health and safety standards than are demanded in the UK. When this crisis is over, we will have a huge opportunity to rebuild our country. I think we have ingenuity and endeavour with our people to succeed. The EU will be buried in red tape and over half the countries wanting the rich countries to pay for their recovery. We have an economy that is largely based on services rather than manufacturing, so we should be able to recover more quickly than many other countries, and most of our trade is with the rest of the world where growth and recovery will be quicker. I think the crisis will lead to a major shift in the behaviour of society with far more working from home, people collaborating more and helping each other, and less travel, particularly air travel. The little England self sufficiency thing is nonsense - it's like using an episode of The Good Life as the basis for national economic policy. Brexit was supported by two opposing camps, The little Englanders (and it is yet another example of English arrogance) who actually believe we can go it alone and the global capitalists who couldn't give a monkeys about people at the bottom of the pile and fully intend to use Brexit as an excuse to drive down wages and H&S standards to third world levels and line their own pockets by exploiting their own people. The one thing this has shown is the need for more global co-operation and a stronger role for government in the economic sphere. The Tories are basically behaving like an interventionist socialist government - and it's working. Boris today even declared there is such a thing as society - which is a landmark statement by a Tory and (hopefully) marks the end of the Thatcher era's absolute reliance on an unfettered free market economy. It's quite telling that the country most wedded to isolationism and the free market is the one most rapidly heading for disaster. The USA is not going to come out of this well - either in terms of the impact on it's own people or as a model for running a successful and humane country. The People's Republic of China may well be a repressive regime but at least they put the lives of their own people ahead of the economy - if I had a choice between living in the US or China then Beijing here I come. I think we're heading in exactly the opposite direction to Little England. When this dies down I see the emergence of some form of world government and an international agreement on some form of interventionist economic model driven by the need to address climate change and the inevitable outbreak of further pandemics. It will blend the best of the free market and interventionist government - the bastard love child the US and China. Basically the EU on a global scale. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2020 8:19:30 GMT
It's quite annoying to me that it takes a pandemic to realise that we should be buying more British goods and products rather than importing. There are 3 basic reasons why we import so much; 1. We have been pretty crap at producing products (obviously there are exceptions). Whether you blame bad management, irresponsible unions, or lack of investment by people with the money will depend on your personal politics and economic ethos. It always seems strange to me that foreign companies can invest in this country and be successful like Nissan (one of the top ten most efficient car plants in the world; 8 of the ten are in Japan), but we seem unable to have a highly successful UK owned car producer. 2. Lack of loyalty of the British public to British goods. Go to Germany and you see the majority of cars on the road are German, in France they are French, in Italy they are mainly Italian, etc. Would there ever be a case of these countries buying foreign police cars? (Remember Jaguar/Land Rover is Indian Tata owned.) I worked for a French company for 7 years and it was made very clear that you buy from French companies, not other countries. 3. For the last 45 years we have stuck to EU rules on subsidizing industry and free market. Meanwhile other European countries have subsidized their industry, as a matter of policy buy their own national products, and operate cartels. I worked around the steel industry all my working life and have seen it decimated in this country, while Netherlands, Spain, Austria, Sweden, and Belgium have actually increased their steel industries. I chaired a European committee for 3 years and we Brits were a laughing stock on how we run our own industry down. They grew their industry by a combination of loyalty to their own industry, wise investment, and breaking competition rules. They also operate to lower health and safety standards than are demanded in the UK. When this crisis is over, we will have a huge opportunity to rebuild our country. I think we have ingenuity and endeavour with our people to succeed. The EU will be buried in red tape and over half the countries wanting the rich countries to pay for their recovery. We have an economy that is largely based on services rather than manufacturing, so we should be able to recover more quickly than many other countries, and most of our trade is with the rest of the world where growth and recovery will be quicker. I think the crisis will lead to a major shift in the behaviour of society with far more working from home, people collaborating more and helping each other, and less travel, particularly air travel. The little England self sufficiency thing is nonsense - it's like using an episode of The Good Life as the basis for national economic policy. Brexit was supported by two opposing camps, The little Englanders (and it is yet another example of English arrogance) who actually believe we can go it alone and the global capitalists who couldn't give a monkeys about people at the bottom of the pile and fully intend to use Brexit as an excuse to drive down wages and H&S standards to third world levels and line their own pockets by exploiting their own people. The one thing this has shown is the need for more global co-operation and a stronger role for government in the economic sphere. The Tories are basically behaving like an interventionist socialist government - and it's working. Boris today even declared there is such a thing as society - which is a landmark statement by a Tory and (hopefully) marks the end of the Thatcher era's absolute reliance on an unfettered free market economy. It's quite telling that the country most wedded to isolationism and the free market is the one most rapidly heading for disaster. The USA is not going to come out of this well - either in terms of the impact on it's own people or as a model for running a successful and humane country. The People's Republic of China may well be a repressive regime but at least they put the lives of their own people ahead of the economy - if I had a choice between living in the US or China then Beijing here I come. I think we're heading in exactly the opposite direction to Little England. When this dies down I see the emergence of some form of world government and an international agreement on some form of interventionist economic model driven by the need to address climate change and the inevitable outbreak of further pandemics. It will blend the best of the free market and interventionist government - the bastard love child the US and China. Basically the EU on a global scale. For want of sounding like crapslinger, China should hopefully come out of this shamefully. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 30, 2020 8:21:10 GMT
It's quite annoying to me that it takes a pandemic to realise that we should be buying more British goods and products rather than importing. There are 3 basic reasons why we import so much; 1. We have been pretty crap at producing products (obviously there are exceptions). Whether you blame bad management, irresponsible unions, or lack of investment by people with the money will depend on your personal politics and economic ethos. It always seems strange to me that foreign companies can invest in this country and be successful like Nissan (one of the top ten most efficient car plants in the world; 8 of the ten are in Japan), but we seem unable to have a highly successful UK owned car producer. 2. Lack of loyalty of the British public to British goods. Go to Germany and you see the majority of cars on the road are German, in France they are French, in Italy they are mainly Italian, etc. Would there ever be a case of these countries buying foreign police cars? (Remember Jaguar/Land Rover is Indian Tata owned.) I worked for a French company for 7 years and it was made very clear that you buy from French companies, not other countries. 3. For the last 45 years we have stuck to EU rules on subsidizing industry and free market. Meanwhile other European countries have subsidized their industry, as a matter of policy buy their own national products, and operate cartels. I worked around the steel industry all my working life and have seen it decimated in this country, while Netherlands, Spain, Austria, Sweden, and Belgium have actually increased their steel industries. I chaired a European committee for 3 years and we Brits were a laughing stock on how we run our own industry down. They grew their industry by a combination of loyalty to their own industry, wise investment, and breaking competition rules. They also operate to lower health and safety standards than are demanded in the UK. When this crisis is over, we will have a huge opportunity to rebuild our country. I think we have ingenuity and endeavour with our people to succeed. The EU will be buried in red tape and over half the countries wanting the rich countries to pay for their recovery. We have an economy that is largely based on services rather than manufacturing, so we should be able to recover more quickly than many other countries, and most of our trade is with the rest of the world where growth and recovery will be quicker. I think the crisis will lead to a major shift in the behaviour of society with far more working from home, people collaborating more and helping each other, and less travel, particularly air travel. The little England self sufficiency thing is nonsense - it's like using an episode of The Good Life as the basis for national economic policy. Brexit was supported by two opposing camps, The little Englanders (and it is yet another example of English arrogance) who actually believe we can go it alone and the global capitalists who couldn't give a monkeys about people at the bottom of the pile and fully intend to use Brexit as an excuse to drive down wages and H&S standards to third world levels and line their own pockets by exploiting their own people. The one thing this has shown is the need for more global co-operation and a stronger role for government in the economic sphere. The Tories are basically behaving like an interventionist socialist government - and it's working. Boris today even declared there is such a thing as society - which is a landmark statement by a Tory and (hopefully) marks the end of the Thatcher era's absolute reliance on an unfettered free market economy. It's quite telling that the country most wedded to isolationism and the free market is the one most rapidly heading for disaster. The USA is not going to come out of this well - either in terms of the impact on it's own people or as a model for running a successful and humane country. The People's Republic of China may well be a repressive regime but at least they put the lives of their own people ahead of the economy - if I had a choice between living in the US or China then Beijing here I come. I think we're heading in exactly the opposite direction to Little England. When this dies down I see the emergence of some form of world government and an international agreement on some form of interventionist economic model driven by the need to address climate change and the inevitable outbreak of further pandemics. It will blend the best of the free market and interventionist government - the bastard love child the US and China. Basically the EU on a global scale. George Galloway is not a Little Englander....and there is quite a significant Eurosceptic contingent in Italy, Greece, Hungary and Poland. This disaster has also highlighted the need to re-evaluate values and the importance of local communities, self help, the importance of borders and nation states and the ineffectiveness and irrelevance of the EU across borders( for example the principles of state aid for industries/ business and open borders is out of the window.. Of course it is vital to communicate, cooperate and trade globally but the EU is not the way to do it. Anyway, I don't want to get drawn into the political aspects of this disaster for humanity, whatever your political stance. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 8:39:41 GMT
Sent out a tweet saying stay at home, save lives protect the nhs then 24 hours later crashed into a parked car on the way home, allegedly from a party. 《Slaphead》 Good of Jack to highlight to people on this thread why they shouldn't be getting in their cars, imagine if he'd have required an ambulance to come and treat him, then a crash team at the hospital were tied up trying to save his leg or stop him from bleeding internally? Leave your car at home folks unless you're a key worker or absolutely have to use it to go and get essential provisions, it's really not difficult to understand...... |
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Post by werrington on Mar 30, 2020 8:41:57 GMT
For general advice so please don’t abuse it ....it’s an ongoing tweet so worth opening
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Post by elystokie on Mar 30, 2020 8:45:04 GMT
Sent out a tweet saying stay at home, save lives protect the nhs then 24 hours later crashed into a parked car on the way home, allegedly from a party. 《Slaphead》 Good of Jack to highlight to people on this thread why they shouldn't be getting in their cars, imagine if he'd have required an ambulance to come and treat him, then a crash team at the hospital were tied up trying to save his leg or stop him from bleeding internally? Leave your car at home folks unless you're a key worker or absolutely have to use it to go and get essential provisions, it's really not difficult to understand...... It's not and yet it's still seemingly beyond some thick, selfish idiots  |
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Post by Los Alfareros on Mar 30, 2020 8:47:24 GMT
He crashed in 3 park cars I think 2 mercs, then when residents came out kept saying i pay for the damage i bet he friggin will he deserves everything he's going get, a few hours earlier he was preaching people to stay indoors. Wanker |
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Post by f1rew0rks on Mar 30, 2020 8:51:09 GMT
Theres got to be some thought put into a Make British Buy British campain when this is all over. They won't pay for UK manufactured goods,at least they wouldn't for the past 23 years. I thought that was a big part of the reason for the LEAVE voters voting in the way they did. Obviously the remainers will claim it was all based on racism, but the majority of leavers I know all wanted the above. The EU financing moves from our manufacturing to poorer countries abroad. We MUST bring our own manufacturing and industry back and this dependence on others has proven that point better than any "vote". |
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Post by Northy on Mar 30, 2020 8:57:46 GMT
There are some clever fuckers in this country 👍 Mercedes F1 team have reversed engineered CPAP machines which are being had as an intermediate treatment to get less people needing ventilators. Hopefully they’re a great success. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52087002that is good news, GTECH have also come to the fore with ventilators that can be used connected to a steady oxygen supply. |
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Post by Foster on Mar 30, 2020 9:08:16 GMT
There are some clever fuckers in this country 👍 Mercedes F1 team have reversed engineered CPAP machines which are being had as an intermediate treatment to get less people needing ventilators. Hopefully they’re a great success. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52087002that is good news, GTECH have also come to the fore with ventilators that can be used connected to a steady oxygen supply. It's good, and so is the ventilator challenge that starts production next week... but why the fuck has it taken so long to do this? Should have been 5 weeks ago. The government should have been ahead of the curve, not behind it. Everything is reactive and the whole 'we will take whatever steps are necessary' rhetoric is bollocks as they haven't heeded that over the past 5 weeks. |
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Post by Gods on Mar 30, 2020 9:12:10 GMT
I get everyone is trying their best but everything always seem to be just around the corner and never quite gets there doesn't it?
1. Ventilators - we started with 5000, bought/took 3000 from the private sector but the 8000 total stubbornly refuses to move on despite the operation, rather inappropriately nicknamed 'Last Gasp' I read, to get them made by non traditional providers like Dyson and a government promise to buy any anyone can make. I just have the sense that when the first ones do arrive they will not meet some NHS standards requirement. In the end in about December we will finish up with about a million ventilators and no one to treat!
2.Protective clothing - ditto above
3.New 'hospitals' in Event centers like the NEC and Excel. Genius idea, they have the space and ready to go shell schemes and the power and the parking that you would need for a big IT or motor show say perfect for a hospital. But I just sense there will be some last minute glitches. The last 10% of anything always takes 50% of the time.
4.Testing of front line NHS staff. I think it finally got under way this weekend but 800 a day, how many NHS workers, a million or so? I think they are the 3rd biggest employers in the world behind the Chinese Army and the Indian Railways.
5.Ditto this 'have you had it' antibody test, we procured 3.5 million but no one seems to know if it works or not or have any plan to role it and and to whom.
I just fear all this lot will be ready for the next virus not this one!
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Post by mrcoke on Mar 30, 2020 9:18:05 GMT
It's quite annoying to me that it takes a pandemic to realise that we should be buying more British goods and products rather than importing. There are 3 basic reasons why we import so much; 1. We have been pretty crap at producing products (obviously there are exceptions). Whether you blame bad management, irresponsible unions, or lack of investment by people with the money will depend on your personal politics and economic ethos. It always seems strange to me that foreign companies can invest in this country and be successful like Nissan (one of the top ten most efficient car plants in the world; 8 of the ten are in Japan), but we seem unable to have a highly successful UK owned car producer. 2. Lack of loyalty of the British public to British goods. Go to Germany and you see the majority of cars on the road are German, in France they are French, in Italy they are mainly Italian, etc. Would there ever be a case of these countries buying foreign police cars? (Remember Jaguar/Land Rover is Indian Tata owned.) I worked for a French company for 7 years and it was made very clear that you buy from French companies, not other countries. 3. For the last 45 years we have stuck to EU rules on subsidizing industry and free market. Meanwhile other European countries have subsidized their industry, as a matter of policy buy their own national products, and operate cartels. I worked around the steel industry all my working life and have seen it decimated in this country, while Netherlands, Spain, Austria, Sweden, and Belgium have actually increased their steel industries. I chaired a European committee for 3 years and we Brits were a laughing stock on how we run our own industry down. They grew their industry by a combination of loyalty to their own industry, wise investment, and breaking competition rules. They also operate to lower health and safety standards than are demanded in the UK. When this crisis is over, we will have a huge opportunity to rebuild our country. I think we have ingenuity and endeavour with our people to succeed. The EU will be buried in red tape and over half the countries wanting the rich countries to pay for their recovery. We have an economy that is largely based on services rather than manufacturing, so we should be able to recover more quickly than many other countries, and most of our trade is with the rest of the world where growth and recovery will be quicker. I think the crisis will lead to a major shift in the behaviour of society with far more working from home, people collaborating more and helping each other, and less travel, particularly air travel. Wasn't a clear decision made by Thatcher's Govt that our days of heavy industry and manufacture were over, the future lay in service, high tech and finance. That's true, but you need to remember the situation Thatcher inherited. Unions striking and secondary picketing, (we couldn't bury the dead - which may return soon!) and nationalised industries having millions a week poured into them to keep them afloat. The monetarist way she tackled it was brutal and if it hadn't been for the Falklands war she would have been tossed out on a wave of unpopularity. But the opposition was people like Kinnock, Foot and idiots likes of Derek Hatton and Militant in Liverpool, so Thatcher got sufficient support to carry on with her policies. In many ways there are parallels with the political situation today. Boris will not be held to account for government failings because of weak, extreme, and divided opposition. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 30, 2020 9:21:11 GMT
A bad antibody test will be worse than not testing at all. That’s why it taking so long to validate. If you send a load of people back to work with false positive COVID antibodies you’re risking a massive second spike and wasting all the effort of the last month through lack of thoroughness.
This is a new test, and as such needs to be 99.999% accurate before they roll it out, that means you need large controls to validate what actually constitutes and positive or a negative. The backlash if they get this wrong would be far bigger than the one it’s taking to get it validated. The plan is defo in place to roll it out to NHS staff first, because they’re the most essential workers who need it, they’ll tell us more about rollout as it happens. No point in making promises they cannot keep about it.
They told us it’s coming, so let’s hang tough with it. It will be out sooner rather than later.
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